The LA Times Invents the Teacher Box Score
posted at 10:15 am on September 4, 2010 by Mike Antonucci
If you follow education news at all, you know that the Los Angeles Times recently published a series of articles and an online database rating by name 6,000 individual teachers according to their students’ test scores, using “value-added” methodology. Predictably, this has led to a lot of caterwauling from the teachers’ union, which is calling for a boycott of the newspaper and is planning a September 14 protest in front of the Times building.
Everyone has weighed in, from U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan on down, but I have a few things to add:
1) It’s not something I would have done, because the wholesale naming of teachers doesn’t, um, add much value to the story. The numbers should be used to identify schools and teachers who deserve further review, and then find out if the statistics accurately reflect what’s going on. Afterwards, the naming of teachers who are doing exceptionally well, or exceptionally poorly, is justified and necessary.
2) That having been said, the Times analysis was generated from public records about public employees. The letter signed by the presidents of the National Education Association, California Teachers Association, and United Teachers Los Angeles calling on the Times to ”cease the publication of data” is a blunt attempt to censor information with which the teachers’ unions disagree. I wish I could say this is an unusual position for them to take, but it isn’t, even when they don’t have a case.
3) I wonder how different the reaction to the database would have been if everyone were confident that the results would be positive and laudatory? I’m struck by the union presidents’ statement that “The LA Times proposal to expand its public shaming to the 6,000 teachers in its ‘database’ will exponentially compound the damage.” All 6,000 teachers will be publicly shamed by the value-added data? I also had a laugh at this:
Reasonable people understand a single test score does not define student learning and can never solely measure the effectiveness of a teacher. We would think a reasonable and respectable institution such as the LA Times would as well. So, we are only left to assume, the purpose of the publication was to sell newspapers.
The purpose of the LA Times is to sell newspapers, and the purpose of the teachers’ unions is to defend teachers’ interests. Holy cow! We’ve made an intellectual breakthrough!
But by the unions’ logic, reasonable people won’t take the data seriously, so how does that sell newspapers? And if only unreasonable people will accept the information at face value, why bother to try to censor it or argue about it? They’re unreasonable!
4) Finally, the Times story should give a short pause to those who like to repeat the old lament about how Americans fail to treat their beloved teachers the same way they treat professional athletes and celebrities. I once commented:
When we have a system for teachers that differentiates the Iversons from the guys playing pickup hoops in the schoolyard, or the Brad Pitts from the actor/waiters in Hollywood bistros, we’ll see some teachers making stratospheric salaries. Will they ever make $16 million a year? Only when people will pay just to watch them at work, and follow their statistics in the morning newspaper.
Now that people can follow teachers’ statistics in the morning newspaper, it’s time for a change in tactics. Instead of sending angry letters to the Times, maybe the union presidents should set up bleachers in Zenaida Tan’s classroom, and charge admission.
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California abandoned the concept of MERIT recognition and reward for teachers when the Cal Teacher’s Union essentially took over the entire State. That was in the late 1960s. The scores have declined even since. Absolute FACT!
Justrand on September 4, 2010 at 10:22 AM
Homeschool.
‘nuf said.
turfmann on September 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM
Hey Mike, add to that list teacher trading cards, and an “ultimate school” fantasy draft.
redshirt on September 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM
Seems to me that if teachers are not doing an adequate job, the principal should be the 1st one fired.
huckleberryfriend on September 4, 2010 at 10:27 AM
Teacher’s pay has been used for decades to justify higher taxes to fund schools, yet over the years teacher’s pay has gotten no better. Administrative positions and pay, however, have skyrocketed.
When will the teachers learn that the unions have screwed them over too?
And as for the test scores? Teach the kids how to read, write and do arithmetic and they will pass the tests.
Jvette on September 4, 2010 at 10:28 AM
Shhhhh! The left will go after that next!
Inanemergencydial on September 4, 2010 at 10:29 AM
These metrics seems like they might be discriminatory against bad teachers and bad schools. As we all know, discrimination is wrong, so… get rid of ‘em. Now.
/s
Red Cloud on September 4, 2010 at 10:31 AM
What is wrong with this? Maybe we need do this nationwide … And union thugs who do not measure up, maybe they should be well, you know, canned.
tarpon on September 4, 2010 at 10:32 AM
Student evaluations, while part of the whole, should not have been the basis for these results. Some of the very best teachers are not necessarily popular with their students, but they are often the ones you recall(as an adult)having benefitted from the most.
jeanie on September 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM
You just wait until they get into that new $578 million school and watch those test scores skyrocket. /
Fallon on September 4, 2010 at 10:50 AM
You know what’s funny is that here in the land of the Kennedy, we’ve homeschooled and the great and vast majority of the families that we’ve encountered were very, very liberal. Think earthy-crunchy, long braided hair and skirts down to their ankles kind of people. All rabidly progressive, but all very committed to giving their kids a good education.
Contrast that with another family I know that the mother is an administrator in one of the public schools yet sends her kids to Catholic schools.
Help me out here, what do you call a person that does something like that?
turfmann on September 4, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Second look at the LA Times? If they’re starting to turn back into a real newspaper, I may just have to resubscribe. (Dropped my subscription in 2000 or thereabouts, if I recall correctly, and the only part of it I ever miss is its Food section on Wednesdays, which was excellent.)
Mary in LA on September 4, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Notice nobody ever says that about any other working class people, although ALL of us have more important jobs than Hollywood celebrities. People who clean toilets for a living are a hell of a lot more important than Sean Penn, and as a bonus, commode scrubbers don’t cozy up to America hating dictators. If you compare teacher compensation to other working class folks, the teachers’ don’t have much to complain about. They’re making an average of around 48K a year to work 180 days and all or nearly all of their health benefits are paid by the taxpayers. Most of us working stiffs toil around 240 days a year and have to pay for a good chunk of our health care. I’m about to head to work now; I’ll work all 3 days of the holiday weekend while the teachers are lounging around complaining about how underpaid they are.
radjah shelduck on September 4, 2010 at 10:59 AM
We had a housemate for a couple of years who was a public-school teacher (and, to be fair, a very dedicated one — he would have had a great box score!). The LA Times offered a free 13-week introductory subscription to teachers, so he took it. Here’s the joke: He never took a paid subscription, but that paper came to our house for 2 years! We just threw it in the trash (well, except that I will cop to occasionally poaching the Wednesday Food section — as mentioned above, that was my favorite part… :-) )
The LA Times quit publishing its circulation figures on the masthead years ago. I’m convinced that they were and are giving the paper away, just to try to keep their circulation figures up for what remains of their advertisers.
Mary in LA on September 4, 2010 at 11:08 AM
The LAT should have posted the results on WikiLeaks instead.
faraway on September 4, 2010 at 11:11 AM
Well toilet scrubbers don’t have a powerful union.
Jvette on September 4, 2010 at 11:12 AM
They should list the pay and benefits per teacher.
faraway on September 4, 2010 at 11:12 AM
I have a friend who is going to start home-schooling. Two years ago my son had a teacher who cried during the inaugeration.
reshas1 on September 4, 2010 at 11:17 AM
When I went to school in the 70′s, there was nothing like the state-wide comprehensive testing they do now. Yet I received a far better education than kids these days. I’m not so sure all the metrics are an improvement. And they can really present an inaccurate picture of what is really happening “on the ground.”
My sister is an elementary school teacher in an area with a high migrant population. In any given year, she will start school with a significant portion of her class who know very little English. The parents are not helpful as they know no English, have no books in the home, and are too exhausted to do anything with their kids but turn on the TV. After working hard with these kids for half of a year they do improve, but then they move on to the next job. But not before they are counted in the FCAT scores. My sister is an excellent and caring teacher and she busts her butt trying to give these kids a chance. But if the FCATs are bad, the system brands her bad.
entropent on September 4, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Man, if having bleachers in my classroom would get me a six or seven-figure salary, I say let’s do it!
And, if it makes all the teacher haters out there feel better, I will have to go into my classroom for a few hours tomorrow, to set up Tuesday’s biology lab. Most of have to do that fairly frequently, that or stay late after school, or take work home. Honestly, we do. We don’t work those fabled 5 hour days and 180 day work years.
And for those who say that teachers are a bunch of lefty parasites who only care about their own phony baloney jobs, I say this: become a teacher. Seriously. Stop complaining about what a mess we are and what a crappy job we do and become a teacher. God knows we could use more conservatives in the field, but for some reason when I say this to people they always seem to have a dozen excuses for why they can’t.
Fair enough. But I will also say this: the left has infiltrated our educational system from within by putting their people into teaching positions, into administrative positions, into university positions. The only way we can fix that is to use the same strategy to TAKE IT BACK.
Put your money where your mouths are, conservatives. Show us how to do it right by doing it with us, Because I’ll tell you…as a conservative in education, I could use some right-thinking colleagues.
Bob's Kid on September 4, 2010 at 11:26 AM
The box scores is unbalanced. To balance it out, you need to score the students’ attitude to learning and study. No matter how good a teacher is, if a kid doesn’t want to learn, no learning will take place. While teachers must bear some culpability for scores, they should not be entirely responsible. If the kid doesn’t study, the teacher is not to blame. IF the kid has parents who don’t encourage good educational habits, nothing goes.
SilentWatcher on September 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM
In the world of *private* schools, the quality of individual teachers is absolutely a hot topic. Schools with a star-studded faculty get more applications and can charge more tuition, and the top teachers have job security and other leverage without unions. Private schools that protect even a few duds on their faculties very quickly see a decline in their competitive position. Same at the college level, too.
jt on September 4, 2010 at 11:35 AM
A Catholic?
Fallon on September 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Yep. Competition is good for everyone. Well, not if you’re a lefty, level playing field an’ all an’ stuff. To them it’s not fair, but as we have seen over and over again in many different venues, when competition stops, excellence rapidly does too.
Bob's Kid on September 4, 2010 at 11:44 AM
For what it’s worth, I think there’s a program that encourages people separating or retiring from the military to become teachers. Not all military folks are conservative, to be sure, but a lot of them are, and they all understand the value of order and discipline.
Mary in LA on September 4, 2010 at 11:56 AM
That makes very little sense, especially considering the limited ability principles have to dismiss under-performing teachers.
Inkblots on September 4, 2010 at 1:15 PM
Low test scores do not necessarily demonstrate poor teaching. Perhaps consistent low test scores do, but it is too easy to label a teacher “bad” by test scores. The same is true in the reverse.
Sometimes teachers, especially in low income areas like inner cities, just get a room full of poor quality students. These students are automatically going to perform poorly on tests no matter how competent the teacher is. It is not the fault of the teacher, in the above case, for the poor performance, but a result of the policies of the school district and above. That last bit is for a different discussion, however, so I won’t go further on that.
Poor test scores can be an indicator of a bad teacher, but shouldn’t be a sole qualifier for rating the performance of the instructor. Other factors do have to be taken in to account.
Weebork on September 4, 2010 at 1:43 PM
If the teacher’s unions believe some members of society should be above public criticism they should prove their commitment to the idea by extending that privilege to the LAT. Lacking that I don’t want to hear their hypocritical carrying on.
snaggletoothie on September 4, 2010 at 1:43 PM
Hmmmm.
The Left defended the practice of certain newspapers of publishing the names & addresses of private citizens with firearms permits.
Private citizens engaged in private transactions.
So I frankly don’t give much credulity to this nonsense.
memomachine on September 4, 2010 at 1:48 PM
The single best thing you could do to help kids actually learn in the classroom is stop segregating them by age. The average kindergarten class of 5 year-olds will have some who already read, some who can add and subtract, some who don’t even know how to hold a pencil, some who are developmentally ready to learn, and some who won’t actually be ready for a couple of years. Most of the time it has nothing to do with I.Q. Usually is because of developmental age or the experiences they have had before school. The kids who are plopped in front of the t.v. all day at day care know nothing. It doesn’t get better as they get older. The kids who start out behind have a devil of a time catching up because they just aren’t as ready as they would be in a couple of years. Those who are already ahead learn really bad work habits because everything is so easy, they think it always will be easy. When they get to the harder stuff later on, they don’t know how to work.
If you moved a kid to the next level as soon as they show mastery of a subject, but not a minute before,the kids would astound you at how well they would do. Of course you would have to completely change the way classrooms work in order to have kids of different ages working together to learn the same thing. I am pretty sure that is not going to happen any time soon, if ever.
Lily on September 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Had the Times used numbers instead of names, the union would have sought and probably obtained an injunction against using the names. In the newspaper business it’s better to go where you want right away, and not be blocked from validating your information.
Give the Times credit for getting this data out. The administrators dropped the ball. The Times did not.
Corky Boyd on September 4, 2010 at 4:11 PM
I would bet the 2,000 teachers at the TOP of the list think it is great. My sister is a teacher. She truly dislikes working beside some of her colleagues. Not only do they hurt the children that they are supposed to be teaching, the other teachers that have to work with them are harmed. Do you really think they take their “turn” supervising kids get on the bus? Only the “good” teachers are stuck with it.
barnone on September 4, 2010 at 4:12 PM
What about them? Does the “nobody loses” metric now apply to adults as well?
Maybe those teachers will recognize they have room for improvement and strive to do even better the next year. Isn’t that what we teach the kids when they don’t “win”?
taznar on September 4, 2010 at 5:34 PM
Man, preaching to the choir here. The handful of libertarian and conservative people in my department circle the wagons and collaborate with each other so we don’t have to enjoy the right-bashing from the tolerant hard left teachers.
Y’know, I really like the suggestion about not putting kids in grades by age but by skill mastery. I think it really would give kids an opportunity to claw their way out of school early in some cases, or into higher level courses as prep or equal to college classes that they wouldn’t have to spend college tuition on. There’s a little taste of that in the Advanced Placement and Dual Credit classes we offer, and the only problem I could foresee is that the mixing of older students and younger in co-ed classes.
kc-anathema on September 4, 2010 at 6:45 PM
That’s how the old “one-room schoolhouse” used to work, and that system turned out some of America’s best and brightest.
Mary in LA on September 4, 2010 at 7:54 PM
If you read the complete Times article on Ms. Tan, you find that she is not well-loved by her peers, nor, before the Times did its analysis, was she recognized as a teacher of excellence by either her peers, her principal, or LAUSD itself.
In that regard, she is identical to at least one other teacher of excellence — Jaime Escalante — who was disliked by his peers, his principal, and LAUSD.
The teachers’ unions have a point, albeit one associated with their own actions — nobody should be judged on the basis of a single year. My sister in law is a bilingual LAUSD teacher, and every year she gets tough kids — the new English speakers, mixed in with other low achievers that teachers higher on the union seniority lists don’t want. Some years she makes a big difference, and other years she doesn’t — it’s totally “luck of the draw”. Interestingly, she is not well liked by her peers (for crossing a union picket line one year), and she isn’t well liked by her principal either — which may influence the “luck of the draw”
I don’t know what her scores are (she’s been teaching kindergarten or 1st grade the past five years, so she’s not in the LATIMES database), but she meets ex-students and ex-students’ parents all the time and they always rave about how she gave them or their kids the skills to be successful. I’ve seen this in person — as my sister-in-law is teaching at the same school she herself attended as a child — LA Chinatown’s Castelar Elementary School.
By the way, not only is there a teacher box score, there’s a school box score. Since teachers, no matter how good, are affected by their environment, a school with low scores is a sick school for some reason or another. A teacher with mediocre scores at such a school might will be an excellent performer at another, higher performing school. So a teacher whose value added scores are above those of their school should be praised; the Times does not “grade on the curve” based on school scores. [FYI, Castelar did really well in the LATIMES database].
unclesmrgol on September 4, 2010 at 8:05 PM
And right they should since that is the reason that teachers pay to be in a union, to protect themselves from things such as this and administrators who are looking for new ladder rungs or scapegoats.
I am a teacher with 27 years of experience in elementary and secondary classrooms, now medically retired. I was an very successful teacher, a lead teacher, with annual reviews graded at “Exceeds Expectations”. I have lost count of the number of students who have told me that I was their favorite teacher or that I was the only one that taught them anything. You probably would conclude that I would have nothing to worry about, and you would be dead wrong.
First point; these scores were originally intended only to show the districts where they needed to apply the resources they had. Since the scores were public, our good old MSM took them and used them to sell news papers and news stories. The point is not that they alleged and at times rightfully so, that some schools are failing, but the scores are not accurate and that can wrongfully hurt where it is not an appropriate indicator of performance.
Second Point: The concept of grading the teacher works only when the class is self contained. It does not work when applied to individual courses at the middle and high school levels.
For example: When I was teaching freshman English, I had courses when it was easy to pick up my curriculum and teach because the previous teachers had taught them what they needed to know. Other times I had to re-teach before I could teach my lessons. No surprise that those I had to re-teach had less opprotunity progress as far beyond the basics as the prepared classes.
The one that was prepared by the previous teacher would have looked great for me in the scoring, no matter if I was just adequate, but the ones I had to work harder to teach probably would have not scored well. Which grade would represent a fair grade that represents my ability to teach? That is the point.
It is possible that the low scores have nothing to do with the teachers ability to teach. Class discipline can be a deciding factor. A good teacher with parental and administrative support maintains it. A good teacher without administrative support will deal with it, but at the cost of instruction time. Should the teacher be held accountable and penalized because the administrator was unwilling, unable or ineffective in deal with supporting the teacher?
I am not a union supporter per-se but as a teacher I would not go without a union to protect me. Administrators have this perchant to mess with non union teachers. I probably would not care for the union out there, but at least they are doing what the teachers pay them to do.
Franklyn on September 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM