NYT: Democratic support down among young voters
posted at 6:28 pm on September 3, 2010 by Allahpundit
Finally, a Friday news story at which to vent my inner eeyore. The Times is right, of course, that Obama fever has cooled a bit among “Generation O.” How could it not have? As Greenroomer Patrick Ishmael explained last year, between the horrific unemployment rate among young adults and the general political education they’re getting right now about federal spending, there’s bound to be a backlash to Hopenchange.
But how much of a backlash is it, really?

As horrible as this year has been for Obama, his rating among young voters is right where it was last December and would almost certainly be considerably higher per the bounce he got after passing ObamaCare if the oil spill hadn’t dominated the headlines this summer. The Times offers a second graph, which, alas, is only current through April, but there too you can see support for Democrats climbing after O-Care’s passage to the point where it’s not terribly far from the all-time high they enjoyed during the campaign. No doubt those numbers have since dipped a bit too but it wouldn’t surprise me to find that the Dems still have a 20-point advantage in this demographic. Which brings me to an eeyore moment: Granting that younger voters will always skew a bit more leftish, how is it worth celebrating that the GOP’s now “only” down 20 points when virtually everything that can favor them favors them? It’s much better than being down 40 points, needless to say, but if even a perfect storm can’t narrow that gap past 20, then maybe this is a lost demographic. Which is very bad news, because once young voters have gotten into the habit of voting for one party, they tend to stay that way for life. More on that from the Times piece:
For decades in politics, Republican and Democratic strategists have put their faith in the so-called rule of three, which says that patterns in youth, once established by votes in three consecutive elections, become habit and identity.
Self-identification figures for Democrats — in national polls asking young people what party they lean more toward — peaked at 62 percent in July 2008, according to the Pew Research Center. By late last year, the number had dropped eight percentage points, to 54 percent, though researchers saw an uptick earlier this year, back to 57 percent. Republican gains roughly mirrored Democratic losses.
Some academics who study voting patterns say that the rule of three is too simplistic, and that lots of factors combine to determine a person’s place on the political spectrum. Individual votes, said Donald P. Green, a professor of political science at Yale who studies voter behavior, matter less than the social fabric that people grow into — in jobs, social life, community and values.
I vaguely remember a Times article from a few years ago illustrating how constant young voters’ partisan leanings are over time depending upon who’s president when they come of age, but damned if I can find it now. In any case, here’s the big question. If the “rule of three” is true, then a big red wave in November is just what we need to bust some young voters out of a lifelong habit of voting Democrat. But if the rule of three isn’t true — if it’s more like a rule of two — then some of them are already so firmly Democratic that almost nothing can convince them otherwise at this point. Looking at The One’s approval rating above, I wonder if that isn’t the case.









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But in Delaware, we have to nominate Mike Castle (R-INO) to staunch the tide of every Democrat in the state, who are already lined up to vote against Christine O’Donnell.
Akzed on September 3, 2010 at 6:34 PM
The young folks are paying near ZERO attention…until they TRY to find a job. If they’re still living off Mommy & Daddy then they still LOVE Lord Obama then they’re just assuming he’s healing the planet.
Obama’s gonna stumble us into a shooting war before he’s done, ala Neville Chamberlain. THEN all the young folks will care.
Worst.President.Ever!
Justrand on September 3, 2010 at 6:34 PM
Never underestimate the power of youth, especially college educated youth, to be incredibly stupid in regard to their own self interest.
All but the hopelessly stupid, though, get over it when they look at their first real paycheck stub.
trapeze on September 3, 2010 at 6:34 PM
It’s time for all good conservatives to start making babies.
Allah, get off the damn computer, find a wife, move to the country, and have 12 kids.
amerpundit on September 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM
Home Schoolers, its up to you.
portlandon on September 3, 2010 at 6:38 PM
It got a bounce, but is dropping back. How do voters born after 1981 compare to voters born between, oh, say…. 1949 and 1960 back in 1978?
Some of this can seriously be attributed to being too young to have actually had to worry about payroll, parenting and paying the mortgage.
Sekhmet on September 3, 2010 at 6:40 PM
No, see, that’s the thing about Delaware. It’s so blue that Democrats can win there even when they’re not motivated to vote. And it’s insanely ironic that you’re shooting that sort of sarcasm at me in a thread like this, where the whole point is that Democrats still have a 20-point advantage among the young. Young Republicans could wallop them with 15 points higher turnout — and still lose in this demographic.
Allahpundit on September 3, 2010 at 6:40 PM
If the GOP gets control and turns the economy around and repeals Obamacare for sane health policy, the youngsters will come around. I know that’s a big if given typical GOP leadership.
JimP on September 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Finished it off for you.
El_Terrible on September 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Just wait until they get Obowma’s bill…
Seven Percent Solution on September 3, 2010 at 6:42 PM
But do young Dems only vote when there is a rock star POTUS?…so maybe we are okay for midterms. We got two years to work on 2012.
d1carter on September 3, 2010 at 6:42 PM
In 1980 most of the youth at my college campus voted for John Anderson. Of course I was attending school in Illinois, but the sheeple were thick back then too. Side note: I voted for Reagan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Anderson
jbh45 on September 3, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Cheer up. What you refer to as a “perfect storm” represents the most superficial (I mean that in the literal sense, not being snarky) of elements. The kind of gain you want to see is going to take place within homes and families over years. Those changes are happening and are happening at a faster rate. Home schooling in Texas has increased 7% year over year, which when considering the population of Texas is quite a bit. Home schooling nationwide has nearly doubled since 2000. Same thing with private school attendance. More and more families are looking at the outcome of progressive educational institutions and seeing a wretched beast of irresponsibility and decay, and they are developing their own solutions. It will take a while, and it wont show up in any snap poll in an election cycle any time soon. But within 15 to 20 years, I think you’ll begin to see that trend flip. Take heart, eeyore.
Weight of Glory on September 3, 2010 at 6:49 PM
If only they could hold on a bit longer, until the free health care starts arriving for everyone, then the youth vote will return.
Bishop on September 3, 2010 at 6:52 PM
In the Fairytale, the Beautiful Princess kissed the Ugly Frog and he turned into a Handsome Prince. In real life the young voters kissed with their votes what looked to them like a Handsome Prince and now more and more of them are beginning to rub the Pixie Dust from their eyes and are starting to take notice that he has turned out to be an Ugly Frog.
Cheshire Cat on September 3, 2010 at 6:53 PM
Oba’s lost the vibe.
maverick muse on September 3, 2010 at 6:55 PM
OT for a moment- can you just imagine those bastages building a mosque in Shanksville, Pa.
rjoco1 on September 3, 2010 at 6:59 PM
Give them one of the “young guns” in the GOP and you’ll see that demographic split. My generation, the one we’re talking about here, is much more conservative on economics and doesn’t like to judge people by race the way Democrats do. Right now their version of conservative is either Sarah Palin or George Bush. Give them someone who’s econ first and social issues second (or better yet, someone who’s socially conservative but believes those questions are why we have federalism) and you’ll see the youth vote GOP for the first time since Reagan
cpaulus on September 3, 2010 at 7:01 PM
I have to wonder though. Many young know they’re facing massive debts in the future. They can’t find jobs, they can’t pay back their loans, and prospects for building a better future for themselves, and their families dims.
I want to give the younger generation a bit more credit here. Yeah, some are definitely stuck to the democratic brand….but this year, is unlike any others. I think a lot are seeing, it’s now, or never to turn this around, and future Dems , if given control again, would do things any differently.
That may tend to skew their opinions, and voting choices. I know a lot of people who over the years who stopped voting Democrat….for their own reasons, but they had always been before, til something shook them enough to know…this isn’t what they wanted for their future.
capejasmine on September 3, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Rule of 3 or rule of 2…doesn’t matter when you slide below the poverty level and life begins to suck so hard you can’t escape the reality. Mommy and Daddy are broke too…so lefty darling artist is going to have to find food…and dumpster diving doesn’t taste as good as Chucky Cheese used to.
Rule of 0…earning money to by $hit trumps them all…and they will learn the hard way since they were too stupid to learn the lessons of history (or had lefty parents, but I repeat myself).
AUINSC on September 3, 2010 at 7:09 PM
OT: Bristol Palin looking hawt (and probably photoshopped) on Dancing With the Stars Promo
El_Terrible on September 3, 2010 at 7:17 PM
Well, it took a Carter Administration to turn me into a card carrying Republican.
My very first Presidential ballot went for that nimrod, and I learned my lesson – wanting to buy my first house – at 18% interest!
I know I am not alone in having an “awakening” to conservatism after the Jimmy Carter debacle.
All it takes is reality smacking you upsidethe head.
tru2tx on September 3, 2010 at 7:36 PM
true dat
cmsinaz on September 3, 2010 at 7:39 PM
unless they are politically active at a young age…
cmsinaz on September 3, 2010 at 7:40 PM
My 21 and 24 year old are foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Obama, as are most of their friends. They are uber pizzed that their generation is going to be left holding the bag.
These are super bright kids, and they get it and are M.A.D!
Chewy the Lab on September 3, 2010 at 7:58 PM
Hah, the NYTs
Schadenfreude on September 3, 2010 at 8:07 PM
Yep. Awesome legs.
joejm65 on September 3, 2010 at 8:13 PM
The “youth vote” support for Obama is moreorless, unfortunately, yet another generational example of the haplessness of youth, of being in that formative age whereby you are easily misled by “bright, flashy objects” and are eager to believe ANYthing that represents what your parents and/or “old people” don’t.
The human brain is still developing up until if not through the early twenties. Which explains to a great degree why some humans are so Leftwing in their 20′s and younger but once older, become gradually less so and eventually take pride in identifying as somewhere-to-the-Right of Liberalism, by whatever degrees. You start to evaluate issues personally and see the effects on your own life without the “parental” or “school” or anyone else there to cover your mistakes and bail you out when you’re in trouble or struggling or otherwise, experience negative feedback to the positions you’ve promoted. Eventually, you realize you’re on your own and the “collective” concepts that the Left pushes are not going to solve your individual problems.
Lourdes on September 3, 2010 at 8:29 PM
My 32 year old son will defend Obama till the end, AND he’s a Rachel Maddox fan. Sigh.
scalleywag on September 3, 2010 at 8:30 PM
I saw and heard many of those people in 2008, they truly had stars in their eyes like they’d become newly pschotic: mostly these were females with some sort of cult-crush on their latest idol, Obama. It was creepy then, it’s scary now as to those who haven’t yet come out of that trance.
Lourdes on September 3, 2010 at 8:31 PM
Like I wrote, I think the strongest motivation by “the youth” as to their vote is as to what and who their parents or “old people” (so they say) DON’T support.
It’s like asking why they’d eat pizza and drink chocolate daily for years if no one intervened. Or why female children (that includes up to the teens) buy and wear anything that’s purple and/or pink. Or males of similar age freak if there’s so much as a suggestion there’s no more gaming.
As long as people (the “youth vote”) are supported by others, they’re going to continue to act out UNLESS they have a strong parental or adult influence that encourages them to accept and manage reality. Without that, they go with their peers and most of the peers will go with whatever feels best, tastes best and is more “fun”.
Lourdes on September 3, 2010 at 8:35 PM
And that’s the reason why requiring the DUI-convicted to tour the morgue and watch an autopsy of auto-crash victims is usually an effective treatment to address whatever disconnect they’ve maintained.
It works for all but the most irrational among them.
Lourdes on September 3, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Smells Like Never Gonna Give You Up
Christien on September 3, 2010 at 8:46 PM
We have a war on young people. Mainly supported by Rs. Why wouldn’t they lean Democrat?
I’m speaking of drug use which peaks in the late teens early 20s.
MSimon on September 3, 2010 at 9:22 PM
ROAD TRIP!
Looks like zero has to go on a tour of all Colleges to enlighten these youngsters as to why he is so great.
Doesnt anyone understand the zero man?
iam7545 on September 3, 2010 at 9:31 PM
Gee, what happened in 1952, after five democrap Presidencies? How could they have elected Eisenhower twice? Seems something is wrong with the theory.
eaglewingz08 on September 3, 2010 at 10:18 PM
The young folks are paying near ZERO attention…until they TRY to find a job. If they’re still living off Mommy & Daddy then they still LOVE Lord Obama then they’re just assuming he’s healing the planet.
Obama’s gonna stumble us into a shooting war before he’s done, ala Neville Chamberlain. THEN all the young folks will care.
Worst.President.Ever!
Justrand on September 3, 2010 at 6:34 PM
My son and one of my nephews are 16…and very conservative/libertarian. They can’t wait to cast their first votes against Zero.
If my guys are any indication, Obama’s going to be in BIG trouble with the ‘yoot’ in 2012.
annoyinglittletwerp on September 3, 2010 at 10:18 PM
Before the mind matures, it’s not common for people to associate THEIR actions with THEIR results. Particularly when they’re being supported materially.
People either survive or they don’t and among those who don’t, some of them refuse to. Drug use doesn’t solve anything, it creates more suffering but it takes some intervention by someone else or an utter epiphany by a user to recognize that.
Lourdes on September 3, 2010 at 10:50 PM
They finally realized that they are paying for Grandpa and Grandma visits to the casinos and there won’t be anything left when they get old. It’s simple math suckers.
Hummer53 on September 3, 2010 at 11:47 PM
How many of those 18-29 year olds had to move back in with their parents after they couldn’t find a post college job and get nagged with ‘this is what happens when you vote for socialists’ every day?
BadgerHawk on September 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM
I may be wrong, but I believe that I deserve the credit for first calling you “Eeyore” – I’m gratified that you’ve embraced it!
disa on September 4, 2010 at 7:03 AM
George Bush is evil–that’s all these young people knew growing up. Liberalism was allowed to be a warm and fuzzy thought experiment. They never contemplated the financial and societal ramifications of liberalism; they only had to oppose Bush.
Now they see the real-world ramifications of liberalism. And it’s dismal. Their parents can’t stand Obama, and young people are getting a taste of why–he might have sounded good talking about the ‘oceans receding’, but talk is cheap.
Jobs, however, are not cheap. They’re important. And young people are not getting them.
They’re turning more conservative than we know. I predict that most of them will sit out the mid-terms as they make their full political transition, then they’ll be R’s, or at least I’s, by the 2012 election.
Grace_is_sufficient on September 4, 2010 at 7:22 AM
When does the ‘youth’ part end?
Getting 3 consecutive election votes out of ‘the youth’?
Even at the federal level that is seeking 6 years of commitment from 18 to 22… amidst the partying of college and its distractions. Miss just one consecutive in that and you are up to 24, which still seems unlikely given the lack of civics education in the US. Miss the 22 vote and its a restart that puts it at 28… which is prime-time job seeking years and getting the vapors at your first look at FICA. Plus if you are starting a family then, with a job, then you get multiple shocks that really make you wonder why your low income is getting taken up with high taxes.
Now if you are unemployed, in high debt due to education, and having to live with your parents, just how likely is it that such a person will get out and vote in 3 consecutive federal elections? How many of ‘the youth’ in the graph above will be voting in the 2010 election? Voting with your feet is a form of voting, but casting the ballot is required to be recognized. If they vote with their feet they will then be out of that lovely rule of 3 until 2012… and if you vote with your feet in a couple of consecutive elections, what is your chance of actually being roused from your stupor to cast a ballot?
Lack of civics education harms everyone, of all stripes, and voting requires more than casting a ballot. Our representatives have become too distant to represent us, to know us, at the local level, and voting for a party is so European. Strange how that has depressed turnout in election cycles since the mid-1960′s, isn’t it? Almost like distant representatives in huge, gerrymandered districts with the population feeling they aren’t being represented was almost a plan, or something.
ajacksonian on September 4, 2010 at 7:26 AM
When the young democrats leave home where they have been cared for for the past 22 years and venture into the real world where work creates the cash flow and the shock of knowing they must do it themselves, truth surfaces. And to add insult to injury they quickly notice the taxes that they must bear and when it becomes too much to bear they move back home like a good democrats to be taken care of again and learn to be a republican.
mixplix on September 4, 2010 at 8:10 AM
Allah, you forget there are two plateaus where the young are forced to rethink their youthful beliefs when it comes to the economy. The first is when they can’t find a job during something like the current recession with an Obama (or a Carter) in office. The second is when they finally do get a decent job and start moving up the salary scale and suddenly learn how much money they’re losing out of their paycheck to taxes.
You may not get that many young people at Level 1, but you tend to see a lot more move away from their youthful liberalism when they reach Level 2, especially if they now have a family, two car loans and a mortgage to support.
jon1979 on September 4, 2010 at 10:03 AM
We were staunchly opposed to sending our kids to public school, but have been thinking along these lines lately. Luckily we still have a year to mull it over.
citrus on September 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM