Matthews: Will the Beck/Palin religious right revival derail GOP support for gay marriage?

Two mistakes by Chrissy. First, which was noted by his guest, Beck is OK with gay marriage. Second, Beck is not a Christian. He is a Mormon. Christians do not believe that God was once just a man, that there are millions of Gods out there, or that in the afterlife, we will become Gods and have our own planets where we spawn all of the souls on our planets by having endless celestial sex with our multiple goddess wives. Not do christians believe that the American Indians are a lost tribe of jews, which Beck claimed on his 8/18 Fox show, even giving people a web address to order the Mormon documentary he was hawking. There is a WIDE gulf between Beck and christianity.

He’s been great at exposing Obama, but the more he promotes his version of religion to his audience, the more they will abandon him.

Phildorex on September 1, 2010 at 9:50 PM

An honest Mormon will tell you that the Jesus mentioned in the Bible and that is mentioned in the Book of Mormon is the same guy.

You know…the Jesus that was born in Bethlehem, healed the sick, raised the dead, preached the gosepl, died on the cross and was resurrected three days later.

Conservative Samizdat on September 2, 2010 at 1:12 AM

An honest Mormon would also acknowledge that Jesus and Satan were brothers. When Elohin (God the father) suggested a savior for the Earth, Jesus and Satan both volunteered. When Jesus was chosen, Satan rebelled and went to Earth with his group of followers. Those who followed Jesus became white people, those who followed Satan became black Africans, and those who were neutral became the brown-skinned American Indians.

Once again, not campatible with Christianity. Nor do Christians believe that the American continent was filled with giant cities founded by white-skinned Indians (who were really Jews) who were eventually killed off by the brown-skinned Indians. Nor do Christians believe that the Garden of Eden was in Missouri.

Phildorex on September 2, 2010 at 2:08 AM

I’ve been a member of the LDS Church my whole life and I’ve been an LDS Missionary and a Sunday School teacher for 6 years. I’ve never heard or seen this taught.

Well, let’s take a look at your own holy book:

Book of Mormon

1 Nephi 11:13 (Mary) “she was exceedingly fair and white.”

1 Nephi 12:23 (prophecy of the Lamanites) ” became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations.”

1 Nephi 13:15 (Gentiles) “they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people [Nephites] before they were slain.”

2 Nephi 5:21 “a sore cursing . . . as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.”

2 Nephi 30:6 (prophecy to the Lamanites if they repented) “scales of darkness shall begin to fall. . . . they shall be a white and delightsome people” (“white and delightsome” was changed to “pure and delightsome” in 1981).

Jacob 3:5 (Lamanites cursed) “whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins. . . .”

Jacob 3:8-9 “their skins will be whiter than yours… revile no more against them because of the darkness of their skins. . . .”

Alma 3:6 “And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion.”

Alma 3:9 “whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites did bring the same curse upon his seed.”

Alma 3:14 (Lamanites cursed) “set a mark on them that they and their seed may be separated from thee and thy seed. . . .”

Alma 23:18 “[Lamanites] did open a correspondence with them [Nephites] and the curse of God did no more follow them.”

3 Nephi 2:14-16 “Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites; And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites and . . . became exceedingly fair. . . . ”

3 Nephi 19:25, 30 (Disciples) “they were as white as the countenance and also the garments of Jesus; and behold the whiteness thereof did exceed all the whiteness. . . . nothing upon earth so white as the whiteness thereof… and behold they were white, even as Jesus.”

Mormon 5:15 (prophecy about the Lamanites) “for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us. . . .”

Here is a quote from Joseph Fielding Smith, former president of the Mormon Church (their equivalent of the pope) and nephew of founder Joseph Smith:

There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantages. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient; more or less, to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there [pre-existence] received greater blessings here, and those who were not faithful received less. . . . There were no neutrals in the war in Heaven. All took sides either with Christ or with Satan. Every man had his agency there, and men receive rewards here based upon their actions there, just as they will receive rewards hereafter for deeds done in the body. The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:61, 65-66.

Phildorex on September 2, 2010 at 3:38 AM