Matthews: Will the Beck/Palin religious right revival derail GOP support for gay marriage?

posted at 9:27 pm on September 1, 2010 by Allahpundit

Beck fans (and Hot Air readers) will see the punchline coming, but it’s the rep from the Log Cabin Republicans who has the fun of actually delivering it. In his rush to indict Beck as some sort of doctrinaire social con, though, Matthews inadvertently raises an interesting question: What’s Sarahcuda’s position on gay marriage these days? During Campaign ’08 she said she supported a federal marriage amendment to ban it nationwide but also said at the debate with Biden that she backed lesser protections for gays, like hospital visitations. Then again, she also said at the time that she supported a path to citizenship for illegals and I’m, er, reasonably sure she no longer feels that way. Factor in her surprising libertarian-lite opinion on overenforcement of drug laws and there’s a chance — a slim chance — that she’s changed a bit on this issue too. She can’t move much lest she alienate the social cons she’s counting on if she runs, but it would help scramble the media narrative about her among the centrists she needs to win over. Hmmmmm.

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You can’t criticize big government for spending too much, for being ineffective and for being over intrusive, and then try to use the government to expand into areas of private life to enforce your chosen social morays when you get control. If you’re being consistent in your belief that the government is the problem.

That’s called a contradiction.

Good Lt on September 2, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Chosen social mores…Ah, you are a moral relativist. First off, these chosen social mores we are discussing happen to be the traditional values spanning centuries and cultures, but yeah, I chose them all by myself. These aren’t new ideas, as you well know. Second of all, I suppose you’d like to do away with the police department, too, since they are government and they impose chosen social mores on people like thieves, murderers, rapists, etc… Up until a few short years ago, sex between two men was a crime. It isn’t anymore, by judicial fiat, and no one here is arguing that it should be, but you are trying to impose your chosen mores (which are new) on the majority of people who hold to the historical and correct position and force us to accept your personal chosen redefinition of an age old institution. So forgive me if I find your argument lame. I can argue that government is spending too much and being over intrusive when they impose new legislation on me and my children or steal more of my money to pay for these new programs, while still arguing that they should uphold laws protecting the sanctity of the life of all people including the unborn and infirm, and protect the age old institution of marriage. Government does have a role in protecting society. And yes, I would like to see no-fault divorce criminalized. So no contradiction there, either.

As to Glenn Beck…he’s really starting to torque me off with his blatant anti-Catholic bias. My father already refuses to watch or listen to him anymore, after he falsely accused Pope Benedict of planning to give Nancy Pelosi an award during her visit to Rome, and Beck never apologized or recanted that claim as far as I have been able to tell. Monday, he was very misleading about the Church and Marxist Liberation Theology on his radio show. While no one is more aware and upset about some members of the clergy and laity espousing MLT than I am, the Church does NOT espouse it. Pope Benedict has been fighting it for many years as Cardinal Ratzinger and has called it demonic. Of course, Beck completely left that part out. His sneering reaction to the ‘new deadly sins’ as if the Church were replacing rather than including some new things like ESCR which most certainly is, and in light of the fact that Jesus gave the Church the authority to loose and bind… It is becoming very tiresome. He talks about reading history and learning the Truth. He could take his own advice. He might find himself following the path of Dr. Scott Hahn, Tim Staples, Dave Armstrong, Francis Beckwith, Fr Longenecker, etc… Hint, Jesus said there would be one Church and one shepherd and the apostles taught one Gospel, one Truth. Peter was given the keys, etc…. Here’s a good place to start, Glenn (and others ignorant of the Catholic Faith). http://www.catholic-defense.com/

At any rate, I have really enjoyed Glenn Beck and think he’s done wonders educating Americans on the history of progressivism, etc…but I’m on the verge of boycotting him. If he actively supports Homosexual “marriage”, that’ll clinch it. “Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.” I hope he doesn’t. /rant

pannw on September 2, 2010 at 11:02 AM

As to Glenn Beck…he’s really starting to torque me off with his blatant anti-Catholic bias.

I’m Catholic, watch Beck all the time and never have I heard him disparage any faith.

Monday, he was very misleading about the Church and Marxist Liberation Theology on his radio show. While no one is more aware and upset about some members of the clergy and laity espousing MLT than I am, the Church does NOT espouse it. Pope Benedict has been fighting it for many years as Cardinal Ratzinger and has called it demonic.

pannw on September 2, 2010 at 11:02 AM

You know, people say stuff about Beck and I wonder … what the hell are they talking about, did they watch the same show I did?

Beck gives the Catholic church credit for fighting liberation theology in South America and winning.

He’s quoted the Pope seveal times calling it demonic.

Do you watch the show at all?

darwin on September 2, 2010 at 11:14 AM

darwin on September 2, 2010 at 11:14 AM

I think he was a member of the Catholic church. I don’t see him criticizing any church or faith either.

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2010 at 11:34 AM

darwin on September 2, 2010 at 11:14 AM

I think he was a member of the Catholic church. I don’t see him criticizing any church or faith either.

Darn it.

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Matthews is totally incorrect about the Republican Party’s secular roots

Abraham Lincoln’s Proclamation of Thanksgiving 10-3-1863

No human counsel hath devised, nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.

It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and voice by the whole American people; I do, therefore, invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next as a Day of Thanksgiving and Prayer to our beneficent Father, who dwelleth in the heavens. And I recommend to them that, while offering up the ascriptions justly due to him that, for such singular deliverances and blessings; they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it, as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes, to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility, and union.

Lincoln deviated not from the norms set by the originators of this nation. For instance, Continental Congress, 11-1-1777 Proclamation:

Forasmuch as it is the indispensable duty of all men to adore the superintending providence of Almighty God; to acknowledge with gratitude their obligation to him for benefits received, and to implore such farther blessings as they stand in need of; and it having pleased him in his abundant mercy not only to continue to us the innumerable bounties of his common providence, but also smile upon us in the prosecution of a just and necessary war, for the defense and establishment of our unalienable rights and liberties; particularly in that he hath been pleased in so great a measure to prosper the means used for the support of our troops and to crown our arms with most signal success:

It is therefore recommended to the legislative or executive powers of these United States, to set apart Thursday, the 18th day of December next, for solemn thanksgiving and praise; that with one heart and one voice the good people may express the grateful feelings of their hearts, and consecrate themselves to the service of their divine benefactor; and that together with their sincere acknowledgments and offerings, they may join the penitent confession of their manifold sins, whereby they had forfeited every favor, and their humble and earnest supplication that it may please God, through the merits of Jesus Christ, mercifully to forgive and blot them out of remembrance; that it may please him graciously to afford his blessings on the governments of these states respectively, and prosper the public council of the whole; to inspire our commanders both by land and sea, and all under them, with that wisdom and fortitude which may render them fit instruments, under the providence of Almighty God, to secure for these United States the greatest of all blessings, independence and peace; that it may please him to prosper the trade and manufactures of the people and the labor of the husbandman, that our land may yield its increase; to take schools and seminaries of education, so necessary for cultivating the principles of true liberty, virtue and piety, under his nurturing hand, and to prosper the means of religion for the promotion and enlargement of that kingdom which consisteth in righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost….

And of course, Geo Washington’s 10-03-1789 Thanksgiving Proclamation,

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me “to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.”

There is a wealth of such documentation. The Site I referenced, Wallbuilders, is a great place to research this history, which is being falsified by revisionists like Matthews. It is no coincidence the founder of Wallbuilders was with Beck at the rally, because he is in the forefront of preserving what the revisinists have attempted to destroy

entagor on September 2, 2010 at 11:47 AM

So let me put it this way to you. I as a Latter day saint Recognize some good in Catholocism. There is also a great deal of false and leftover paganism. but hey. I don’t say you aren’t Christian. I leave that for Jesus Christ to actually declare.

Noelie on September 2, 2010 at 8:48 AM

I kind of disagree with you. While I believe that it is up to Christ to decide who is or isn’t a Christian, I also allow people to say they are Christians and accept it even if there are doctrinal disagreements.

No one has a monopoly on the term “Christianity”. No one has the right to determine who is a Christian and who isn’t since there are many doctrinal disagreements within various Christian denominations.

The bottom line is this: A person who declares his belief in Christ as the Son of God who was born in Bethlehem, suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane, died on the Cross and rose three days later is a Christian. Period.

All other doctrines can be subject to debate. But there is no debate over the validity or sincerity of a person’s or religion belief in Christ.

It all boils down to whether or not a person believes in Jesus. That is what a Christian is. End of issue.

Conservative Samizdat on September 2, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Jesus said that there would be many who said “Lord Lord” to whom he will say, ” I never knew you”…

CCRWM on September 2, 2010 at 1:26 PM

If you know people who won’t vote Republican because of some comments made at HotAir, they weren’t going to vote for Republicans anyway. And why are their beliefs any more valid than those who comment here? But it is lovely for you to swoop in and tell everyone to shut up. We appreciate it.

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2010 at 12:44 AM

As I’m a staunch supporter of free speech, I would never be critical of anyone exercising that freedom either at Hot Air or elsewhere. All that I would like to see is a bit less of the vitriol and insults that I have seen in some posts.

Surely people can offer their views on marriage and civil rights without resorting to “interior decorator” and far worse insults.

pbundy on September 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Jesus said that there would be many who said “Lord Lord” to whom he will say, ” I never knew you”…

CCRWM on September 2, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Exactly. Only Jesus will be the true judge of who are His followers.

All of us are required to follow Him in the best way know how regardless if we’re Christian, Catholic, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witnesses or etc…

Conservative Samizdat on September 2, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Do you watch the show at all?

darwin on September 2, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Yes, I do. How else would I know he was so disrespectful/scoffing in reporting on the ‘new deadly sins’? Or that he spread the lie that the pope was presenting the heretical Nancy Pelosi an award while she was in Rome? If you watch him all the time, you saw it too. Now, why it doesn’t seem offensive to you, I can’t explain. To me, knowing how totally scandalous it would have been had it been true that the Church was honoring a heretic, it offends me know end that Beck would promote such a scandal. Again, I never saw, or heard that he had corrected the misinformation, much less apologized. That doesn’t mean he didn’t, but I couldn’t find word of it. If he did, he has my thanks and apologies.

Were you listening to his show Monday morning when discussing liberation theology? When he said things like ask any Catholic about it. They know all about liberation theology. Now, perhaps in a context of everything Glenn Beck has ever said one might be able to deduce that he meant that Catholics know about it because it has been such a problem in Latin America and the pope as Cardinal Ratzinger had fought it etc…, but in that segment, one who didn’t hear everything Beck has ever said (and I’ll take your word that you have heard him defend the pope) would most likely take it the way I took it. I even sat in my car to hear the rest of the segment in case he said something to clear it up. He didn’t, though it would have been the perfect opportunity for the quote about liberation theology politics being demonic. Now, if he did after the commercial, I couldn’t say. I had some place to be.

So, do I watch him every minute of every show? No. Again, I’ll take your word that he has been fair to the pope and Church when you watch. I’m glad to hear it and I wouldn’t call you a liar. However, I also know what I have seen and heard. Does he do it all the time? Of course not. I would have already boycotted him. But he preaches on liberation theology and how we need to ‘run away from your Church if it preaches liberation theology’ enough and then links THE Church to it, after already hearing the other things mentioned above… well, whether intentional or not, people who only hear him some of the time, instead of all the time, might get the wrong idea, I suppose.

pannw on September 2, 2010 at 3:20 PM

I do not support homosexual marriage, unions and adoption and I do not support homosexual indoctrination programs, which are forced upon our children, in our public schools.

In every state where citizens were permitted to vote for or against homosexual marriage they voted against it – IN EVERY CASE. It is my belief that it is reasonable to assume that the same Americans are members of the Tea Party Movement and will not compromise their values, standards, morals and religious beliefs going forward. Mr. Matthews’ opinions mean nothing to them.

sinsing on September 2, 2010 at 6:55 PM

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