Gunman holding people hostage in Discovery Channel building; Update: Gunman in custody, hostages safe
posted at 2:40 pm on September 1, 2010 by Allahpundit
WUSA, a local station in D.C., threw a jolt through Twitter by claiming that the guy is a nutjob on an environmental crusade and that this is his manifesto/list of demands. Now they’re saying that that’s unconfirmed. Way to toss a political hot potato into a story that may be completely unrelated, guys.
Here’s what we know, sort of:
ABC affiliate WJLA in Washington, DC is reporting that the gunman is an Asian man and may be a former Discovery employee.
“A man entered the lobby and may have fired a weapon and declared, ‘Nobody is going anywhere,’” Montgomery County police told WJLA. Witnesses said they
Police are trying to establish contact with the suspect. A person inside the building tells The Associated Press the man had something strapped to his chest and has hostages.
It was, apparently, an Asian man who wrote the manifesto, and a cop on the scene says the suspect has “concerns” about the Discovery Channel, but that’s the closest thing to “confirmation” that anyone has that it’s the same guy. I actually don’t care if it is; I’m not going to blame the actions of a nut on all lefties and environmentalists. I will, however, be sure to remind them of this the next time they pull that on the right. Which they do, merrily, at every conceivable opportunity.
Stand by for updates.
Update: NBC says the gunman has been identified as James Lee. “Lee” is the name given at the end of the manifesto. The page appears to be down since it’s getting slammed with traffic, but here’s a taste. It’s basically a long rant about overpopulation and pollution and finding solutions to global warming, etc etc. One of the nuttier parts:
Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what’s left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.
For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human’s lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!
It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It’s like a couple are having 30 babies even though it’s just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!
Also, war must be halted. Not because it’s morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!
The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.
Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.
Update: TMZ says it’s the same guy and has a PDF version of more of his rantings about global warming, animal extinction, etc.
Update: Here’s Lee’s MySpace page, which apparently hasn’t been updated in a few years. Note the references to Daniel Quinn, who’s also mentioned at the beginning of the manifesto.
Update: Via MKH, some relevant message-board postings from Lee. He’s been working up to the point of going off for awhile, it seems:
Discovery is the enemy. They must be protested into saving the planet and reducing their propaganda. But if you feel that this is wrong, then don’t show up. You’re welcome to stay at home and watch TV or do whatever it is you do.
And if I look like an idiot, so what? But I won’t fail in this. This is going to happen and Discovery is going to change their course and start saving the planet. I will never personally feel like an idiot for trying.
Update: How nutty is he?
At the time of his conviction in March 2008, Lee was identified as a 40-year-old man from San Diego. Court records said he was arrested Feb. 21, 2008, on the sixth day of a protest at the Discovery building. Police were called when a crowd that had gathered began growing “unruly” as Lee threw thousands of dollars of cash into the air, some of it still in shrink-wrapped packages, police said at the time.
Update: Enjoy this tweet from lefty blogger Atrios because, like I say, the narrative shall be a-changin’ the next time some nut on the right does something nutty.
Update: Speaking of lefty bloggers, Think Progress blames Lee’s madness partly on rhetoric from … groups opposed to illegal immigration. Even liberal Adam Serwer of the American Prospect is embarrassed by their post.
Update: A bad day ends on a good note:
Suspect in Discovery Channel standoff shot and in custody; all three hostages are safe, police chief says.
That’s all CNN has right now, but keep trying that link. Updates should be coming momentarily.
Update: The shots were fatal. Lee is dead.
Update: Max Fisher of the Atlantic somehow read this post to mean that I think (a) Lee was a liberal and (b) because liberals relentlessly politicize “lone nut” incidents involving right-wingers, conservatives should do the same to them. (His tagline in summarizing this post at the Atlantic is “Hang This Attack Around Liberals’ Necks.”) On the first point, I don’t know if Lee was a down-the-line doctrinaire liberal or not; my point was simply that the green concerns that motivated him are typically identified with the left and therefore many people will conclude that he’s some species of liberal. By the same token, when someone bombs an abortion clinic, no one waits to find out the bomber’s opinion on, say, Iraq and federal spending before identifying him with the right. It’s the motive that defines the suspect politically in incidents like these. As for the second point — and I’m frankly amazed that anyone might have misunderstood it — what I’m saying is that liberals and environmentalists shouldn’t be blamed for this. Don’t politicize the incident by hanging the actions of a lunatic around their neck. What I meant up top about reminding them of this the next time they politicize something done by a right-wing nut was merely how this proves that there are crazies of all stripes and that I didn’t try to score a cheap political point against them today when the opportunity presented itself. Is this really that complicated?
The boss emeritus puts it more clearly than I can, apparently:
The gunman was reportedly motivated by Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth eco-propaganda. Guess what? I’m not playing that opportunistic blame game here. It’s not Al Gore’s fault when an enviro-nut goes off unhinged (and I’ve said that before). The blame in this case lies with the crazy man who terrorized the Discovery Channel employees. Period.
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If some in the GOP are that eager to make deals on making illegal immigration legal then Scandalmania doesn’t matter one way or another. Nor do elections.
farsighted on May 17, 2013 at 9:44 PM
Does Rubio have any idea how evil Schumer is?
Dasher on May 17, 2013 at 9:47 PM
Congress should not pass any new immigration laws until it learns to enforce the immigration laws we already have.
ENFORCE CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!
wren on May 17, 2013 at 10:13 PM
Nope. He’s like the new guy in a factory assembly line that always gets sent to the boss to ask for a left-hand screwdriver.
slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 10:16 PM
I just don’t see how theory 2 works. How is a Republican supposed to get so much “extra credit” from criticizing Obama to counter the negative of an amnesty? It should be expected that Republicans criticize Obama for obvious administration blunders!
netster007x on May 17, 2013 at 10:28 PM
Remember, Reichert is the person that caught the Green River Killer mass murderer. I gotta believe this weasel, Miller, isn’t going to be able to get away with lying to him
Fed45 on May 17, 2013 at 10:28 PM
Look at the photo.
Schumer stares fixedly at Rubio, and thinks… “I’m so proud. If I had a son, he’d look like Marco.”
There’s real parental love there. Think about it. When was the last time you saw Schumer not snatching the microphone, but instead, willing to bask in the reflected glow? Rubio is Chuckie’s new Gillibrand.
And then there’s Juan McLame at the left side of the picture, apparently trying to remember why he’s there, and whether he’s moved his bowels yet today…
bofh on May 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM
Weird. I am reading the amnesty comments underneath the Lanny Davis post. With this and the time travel, HotAir is spooky these days.
Missy on May 17, 2013 at 10:35 PM
How much longer will we have to deal with these RINOs and sleazy Dems in this gang of 8? Obama has been coming to Texas a lot lately. Every time he does a new challenge happens down here. The legislature just held a vote sponsored by the Dems to try and pass a term limit law. Why? To oust Perry, of course. We have a HUGE illegals problem here in Texas. I GUARANTEE that if amnesty goes through Obama will get his wis and my Texas wil be blue. The illegals will vote in huge numbers for Dems. I just have to wonder. Do you suppose that the IRS gave info to the DNC on these RINOs? Have they been coerced? Rubio is Hispanic but I find it hard to believe he would jeopardize his political aspirations so stupidly. This makes zero sense. The Dems are playing these idiots for fools. I dont care what they are saying amnesty will finish this country. We cannot add countless millions of new people on the welfare rolls. NO AMNESTY!
neyney on May 17, 2013 at 10:51 PM
We all know what repeating the same actions while expecting different results means. Until the Repubs own up to this, they are still the other side of the same coin.
ghostwalker1 on May 17, 2013 at 11:16 PM
Amnesty is dead… However in the meanwhile you can create all scary scenarios that would not happen…
mnjg on May 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM
Classic politician, ain’t no problem that more laws won’t fix,eh Rubio? Stupid. It’s a scandal because the letter and spirit of the law was being violated. you want to preempt rogue agents? Remove their immunity. Just as “ignorance/mistake is no excuse for the taxpayer” so should it be for the agents. if the agent is wrong then the IRS is liable for triple damages; with 1/6 coming directly out of the agent’s paycheck and another 1/6 out of the supervisor. A few losses in court will force the bad apples out of the business out of self preservation. Simple. but where are our representatives getting out there pushing a Bill of Rights for taxpayers? If a law is unclear then judgement must default to taxpayer advantage until changed. Better yet eliminate the IRS and the 16th. But barring that then definitely give the taxpayers tools to fight back, fight being the operative word.
AH_C on May 17, 2013 at 11:58 PM
Speaking of moron fests….
Reading comprehension not your strong suit I see.
By the way, for folks who haven’t been paying attention, the amnesty gang in the House has put together their plan.
xblade on May 18, 2013 at 12:15 AM
President Barry is a multi tasker, he can handle another mess along with taking away our guns. Just think, he’ll be giving us another radical Supreme Court judge before he skips town.
RdLake on May 18, 2013 at 12:59 AM
It’s a wonder no one has slipped & fell on the slime trails Schumer & Durbin leaves behind.
RdLake on May 18, 2013 at 1:01 AM
You can see the Socialists plan here. A tyrannical Socialist government regime that targets the political opposition, wanting to open the gates for a bunch of third worlders that are use to tyrannical Socialist government regimes who will vote for them in exchange for welfare and handouts.
Rockshine on May 18, 2013 at 1:33 AM
Pundits these days speculate on every damn thing-no matter how baseless or ridiculous the topic or reasoning. So much time to use up-so much space to fill.
Goodale on May 18, 2013 at 2:21 AM
And it’s the same reason Grahamnesty overplays Benghazi and every other national security issue he can posture in front of cameras…namely that he’s a douchebag liberal on amnesty and needs any issue he can find to pander to conservatives and pretend he are one.
Same with Rubio. This is a head fake…don’t buy it.
Jaibones on May 18, 2013 at 7:44 AM
As for amnesty, if this was such a great move for conservatives and will buy us so many illegal alien votes … why isn’t the GOP get them now? Reagan’s amnesty in 1986 didn’t come with all this alleged penalty baggage … it was a clear amnesty, and it was ours.
So why are the vermin invaders and “natural conservative constituency” voting 80% pro-abortion, open borders, pro-gay marriage, welfare for everyone, $100 billion in food stamps? Hmmm?
Jaibones on May 18, 2013 at 7:47 AM
Let’s face it, it’s the huge IRS code that makes scandals like this possible. It’s also 800 page bills, that slip in pork and language that make enforcement difficult, we need to guard against.
It’s about time for the gang of 8 to be forced to answer questions about what is really in the bill. If they’re not willing to be specific, just don’t pass it. It’s about time we become more pro-active on these issues and write our Congressmen, Democrat or Republican, and let them know how we feel.
bflat879 on May 18, 2013 at 8:19 AM
It doesn’t take the slightest bit of courage to throw punches at Obama and the IRS after this week. He11, even Tingles and Piers Morgan jumped on that train.
Since Rubio now seems like some sort of de facto face of the Rep. party, it could be viewed as suspicious if Rubio didn’t come out with some criticisms. Just more butt covering on his part. Rubio earns no points now, nor will he ever. One giant stab in the back is enough to know that he can not be trusted. His support for amnesty -and his deceptive ways of trying to sell the idea – is not a minor transgression that can be overlooked.
lynncgb on May 18, 2013 at 8:30 AM
I’ve spent the last four years arguing that we need to stick together and avoid third party candidates. It’s not just Ron Paul libertarians leaving the GOP. There’s also quite a number of “a pox on both their houses” conservatives and moderates. This amnesty bill will split those people off irrevocably, IMO. It’s a LIE from start to finish, with every aspect that one might have used as a selling point, undone somewhere else in the bill.
Marco Rubio can shoot his mouth off all he wants at Barack Obama. His leadership on this particular bill has proved that he’s either just another “identity” politician… or a well-named RUBE. Neither qualifies him for higher office. That is, unless he wants to run as a Democrat.
Murf76 on May 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM
This whole analysis assumes we’re just a bunch of idiots, mushrooms in a dark room waiting to be fed lies. So epic fail on this analysis.
WordsMatter on May 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM
There is no upside to amnesty. Rewarding lawbreakers encourages more people to break our laws. Amnesty leads to amnesty leads to amnesty leads eventually to complete disrepect of all of our laws and there will only be anarchy.
Oracleforhire on May 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM
Well, Mickey Kaus certainly got the fiend part right. Rush still calls MR a conservative but I think this is the 1% of the time that he’s wrong. I don’t trust MR and haven’t from the get go. He sounded good at first but politicians always tell you what you want to hear then do what they want when they get elected.
Kissmygrits on May 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM
These Obama scandals have given the Republicans a chance for a very good election night in 2014 maybe even extending into 2016.
Hopefully they won’t repeat their mistake of the 2012 elections when they decided to move hard left running a liberal Massachusetts Governor as President and then watching four million of their base voters stay home on election night 2012.
RJL on May 18, 2013 at 6:57 PM
OMG….WMAL in DC is going wall-to-wall with propaganda ads supporting illegal alien amnesty. It’s absolutely painful every time they go to commercial. I have to mute the radio (which is bad because I forget to unmute for the next 1/2 hour)
olesparkie on May 20, 2013 at 6:35 AM
olesparkie
If you are talking about the Rubio ads run in Florida .
They were paid for by a group founded by Facebook
founder and staffed by dem campaign pukes .
And no one says a word .
Lucano on May 22, 2013 at 6:40 PM
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