Quotes of the day

Let’s just put this matter to rest once and for all. Let’s get the government out of marriage before it slides into the abyss and we find ourselves forced to recognize polygamy.

Let’s just say that the government will recognize a civil union between 2 people period. Then the marriage part can be performed by churches, but the couple just registers their civil union with the county clerk or something. Meanwhile, separation of church and state, don’t let the government get involved in any religious ceremonies between 2 people who have registered their civil union with the county clerk.

So any 2 people can have their union protected for the legal stuff you want to be protected with (seeing someone in ICU, wills, inheritance, etc). And people who want to define marriage as only between man and woman (including me, I am one of those people), then the churches, synagogues, etc, will perform the MARRAIGE ceremony.

That way we don’t have gay marriage crammed down our throat. If a church doesn’t care if the couple is same sex, so be it, but a government can’t interfere if a church mandates their marriage ceremonies can ONLY be between a man and woman. The government is completely out of that part of the process, the MARRIAGE part, the RELIGON part. Let’s just get this topic off the table. We have more important things to do, like save our republic.

karenhasfreedom on August 31, 2010 at 10:44 PM

Better idea: just tell the government to leave marriage alone. Hands off. It’s not yours to redefine or to tell anyone else what marriages to accept or not.

Because this whole push for gay marriage is a push for the government to dictate to everyone else that you must accept two men as married or two women as married just as much as a normal couple.

It is entirely a push for government activism. If the government does nothing, then marriage continues as it was before the government stuck its nose in where it didn’t belong.

It’s always phrased as “allowing” gay marriage, but the course of action asked for is for the government to dictate to everyone else that a homosexual marriage is “just as good” as the real thing.

That’s what government is: the exclusive application of force. Every bit of the push for same-sex marriage is for the government to do something.

And this business about “getting the government out of the business of marriage” starts from the false premise that the government is somehow in the ” of marriage.

Does the government run some sort of a matchmaker business to hook up potential couples? Maybe the government sells mail-order brides, like it used to sell land in the west? Or is the idea that people fill out an application for marriage, and then go to a marriage placement business, like they do the state employment office?

The government is not in the business of marriage. Not yet. But every push to force same-sex marriage is a call to get the government into the business of marriage, in a way that it has never been before.

didymus on September 1, 2010 at 12:48 AM

Individual liberty, due process… these all include equality under the law, free association, freedom of contract, the pursuit of happiness. These are all things conservatives supposedly support. And are the only things “gay marriage” asks for. Either it’s faking these principles or it’s cognitive dissonance.

Free Constitution on August 31, 2010 at 11:44 PM

Not only is that not a conservative argument, but it’s not even a logical argument. There are no restrictions on gay people getting married. None. No gay person has been denied marriage rights because they are gay.

The problem is that they don’t want marriage, because they’re not interested in the opposite sex. And marriage has always been between two members of the opposite sex.

So instead they invent this whole rhetoric about how if marriage doesn’t appeal to gay people, then gay people are being deprived. Their solution is not to allow gay people to get married. They already have that right.

Their solution is to declare that marriage must be redefined so it includes couplings with the same sex.

And in demanding that redefinition by the force of government they effectively overrule the 98% of the people who are normal so they can claim to be “protecting” the rights

they just invented

for the 2%.

In so doing they harm the institution of marriage itself and trample the religious freedom of everyone who objects to the idea of gay marriage, or to the attempt to normalize a sexual deviancy, in favor of their own desire.

There is no conservative case for same-sex marriage. There are just confused conservatives who buy the old feel-good liberalism because they’ve been convinced that all homosexuals are born that way and can’t change.

didymus on September 1, 2010 at 1:09 AM