Ohio: Bush 50, Obama 42

posted at 5:13 pm on August 31, 2010 by Allahpundit

A new GOP-boosting blockbuster from Rasmussen? Not quite: This comes from Kos’s new pollster, PPP.

The Bushitler over the Lightworker in the paradigm midwestern swing state — by eight points. On a gut level, that strikes me as more amazing than even yesterday’s Gallup blockbuster.

We’ll start rolling out our Ohio poll results tomorrow but there’s one finding on the poll that pretty much sums it up: by a 50-42 margin voters there say they’d rather have George W. Bush in the White House right now than Barack Obama.

Independents hold that view by a 44-37 margin and there are more Democrats who would take Bush back (11%) than there are Republicans who think Obama’s preferable (3%.)

The typical battleground this year isn’t Ohio, says PPP, it’s … California. In fact, this isn’t the first poll they’ve put out in the past few months indicating that Bush leads Obama in some surprising metric. Remember this one back in June showing that more Louisianans approved of Bush’s handling of Katrina than of The One’s handling of the oil spill? There’s a lot going on in these 43 vs. 44 comparisons: Part of it is performance; part of it is nostalgia for a time when the economy was growing; part of it is new respect for Bush vis-a-vis the way he’s handled himself as an ex-president; and part of it is general disaffection with The One’s agenda leading any alternative to look rosier by comparison. But part of it too, I think, is what John Dickerson shrewdly identifies in this Slate piece. The great knock on Bush, of course, was that he was so singularly incompetent that replacing him with anyone would necessarily mean a better economy and progress in the war. Replacing him with a global messiah, though? Big improvements in both areas. And yet, 18 months later, here we are facing a double-dip and ever-rising pessimism about Afghanistan. The “it’s all Bush’s fault” meme will be evergreen on the left, but the more trouble Obama has, the less singular Bush’s incompetence looks, which is bound to mean an uptick in Strange New Respect for Dubya.

As for Obama, he is not consciously trying to improve the public’s view of the Bush years. Indeed, he is actively reminding people of the mess he inherited from his predecessor. It is a key theme of the entire Democratic campaign. At the same time, as Obama demonstrates the natural limits of presidential action, he unwittingly adds perspective to assessments of what President Bush could do. As he benefits from policies he once opposed—such as the surge in Iraq, which helped make tomorrow’s speech possible—Obama proves that even a smart politician with the best of intentions can be wrong. And as he champions making tough calls even in the face of popular opposition, he often sounds eerily like his predecessor.

The relevant similarity between the federal response to Katrina and the BP oil spill (other than geography) is that both show the limits of the presidency and the federal government. Of course, a hurricane is different from an oil spill, and it’s not necessary, for the purposes of comparison, to pass judgment on Bush’s or Obama’s response. The point is that from a purely logistical standpoint, it’s hard to get the federal bureaucracy to move quickly. That’s true whether you think the president is uniquely incompetent or a smart manager. A president weighing the benefits and costs of making a visit to the disaster area can catch similar grief for not taking command whether they’re photographed in a plane or on a basketball court. And even an eloquent speaker can sound the wrong note.

Presumably Bush’s numbers will dip a bit again once he launches his book tour and past crises start being rehashed in the media. But who knows? Dickerson’s point is that the worse Obama looks, the better Dubya seems by comparison. If Hopenchange continues to disintegrate, the “Miss Me Yet?” bandwagon could be a bona fide fee-vah by November. I never thought we’d be using Bush’s legacy as a weathervane, but there you have it.


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Count it!

lorien1973 on August 31, 2010 at 5:14 PM

I miss that picture, even when it was used in jest

thebrokenrattle on August 31, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Run on that, dems!

Vashta.Nerada on August 31, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Bitter clingers.

itsnotaboutme on August 31, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Count it!

lorien1973 on August 31, 2010 at 5:14 PM

But the commerce clause or something.

tetriskid on August 31, 2010 at 5:16 PM

The fact that Rasmussen still has Obama’s daily approval rating in the high 40′s is both puzzling and infuriating.

Mark1971 on August 31, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Class wins out again over false bravado.

JeffersonFan on August 31, 2010 at 5:16 PM

I blame Bush.

/s

gekkobear on August 31, 2010 at 5:17 PM

BarryO just needs to be out there, spreading his message. That’ll help! /s (barf!)

AubieJon on August 31, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Well, if Obama really wants to run against Bush, I guess we should let him ;-)

hawksruleva on August 31, 2010 at 5:18 PM

You know who this helps? Jeb Bush.

Emperor Norton on August 31, 2010 at 5:19 PM

The fact that Rasmussen still has Obama’s daily approval rating in the high 40′s is both puzzling and infuriating.

Mark1971 on August 31, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Most people don’t keep up with politics. So they’re only vaguely aware that Obama’s policies aren’t working.

hawksruleva on August 31, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Nobody in particular: 57% Obama: 40% Not sure: 3%

BobMbx on August 31, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Class wins out again over false bravado.

JeffersonFan on August 31, 2010 at 5:16 PM

This reminds me of Gore trying to crowd W during one of their debates. Classic.

AubieJon on August 31, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Emperor Norton on August 31, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Hoisted by our own petard!

lorien1973 on August 31, 2010 at 5:20 PM

President Bush didn’t have to walk around with instructions for using an umbrella on his forehead.

RushBaby on August 31, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Millard Fillmore would beat Obama these days.

Mr. D on August 31, 2010 at 5:20 PM

The thing about Bush is that he can stand on his record, even if at times it was a precarious stance. Obama on the other hand has no legs to stand on.

fourdeucer on August 31, 2010 at 5:21 PM

This reminds me of Gore trying to crowd W during one of their debates. Classic.

AubieJon on August 31, 2010 at 5:20 PM

(SIGH)

Del Dolemonte on August 31, 2010 at 5:21 PM

If people are getting over the name Bush… then there’s hope for Jeb Bush 2012!!

ChristianRock on August 31, 2010 at 5:21 PM

President Bush didn’t have to walk around with instructions for using an umbrella on his forehead.

RushBaby on August 31, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Real men don’t use umbrellas.

BobMbx on August 31, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Apparently Obama is the one that we have been waiting for (to deliver Congress back to us).

JohnGalt23 on August 31, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Lucifer: 50, Obama: 42

amerpundit on August 31, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Miss me yet?? Oh yeah!

lizzie beth on August 31, 2010 at 5:22 PM

The thing about Bush is that he can stand on his record, even if at times it was a precarious stance. Obama on the other hand has no legs to stand on.

fourdeucer on August 31, 2010 at 5:21 PM

I don’t know if he can stand on his record, but I’ll say this for him… he never ran from it.

Unlike some Democratic presidents I could mention…

JohnGalt23 on August 31, 2010 at 5:23 PM

A man with values,conviction and love of country and it’s people trumps an empty suit in a shiny package every time.

Good for you GWB – good for you

gophergirl on August 31, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Claude (my French Maran rooster) 57%, Obama 40%.

AubieJon on August 31, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Barney Fife 50, Obama 42

Mark1971 on August 31, 2010 at 5:25 PM

This one’s going to sting a little.

myrenovations on August 31, 2010 at 5:26 PM

In my poll, 44% preferred an old used dishrag vs 42% for Teh Won. The other 14% wanted a new dishrag.

GnuBreed on August 31, 2010 at 5:27 PM

People who work for a living 57%, people who suck on the government tit 40%.

pedestrian on August 31, 2010 at 5:28 PM

I miss that picture, even when it was used in jest

thebrokenrattle on August 31, 2010 at 5:15 PM

I miss any picture of him on here. Every time I see that cold slab of marble that is Obama, I feel low/angry.

ThePrez on August 31, 2010 at 5:28 PM

OT: Beck’s show is good tonight.

faraway on August 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Turd Sandwich 57%
Obama (Giant Douche) 40%

Monica on August 31, 2010 at 5:30 PM

The number of banks at risk of failing rose by 53 to 829, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said in its quarterly survey of the nation’s banking system. That increase marks the smallest rise since the first quarter of 2009.

Bank failures and foreclosures keep mounting View map
Click the chart to see more on the bank index.
However, it’s still nearly double the 416 banks that were on the FDIC’s watch list a year ago and is up from 775 in the first quarter of this year.

Banks that end up on the problem list are considered the most likely to fail. But few of the lenders on the list actually reach the point of failure. On average, just 13% of banks on the FDIC’s problem list have been seized and shuttered by regulators.

Just 13%? Whew…sorta takes the wind out of the ol’ economic crisis sail, eh?

BobMbx on August 31, 2010 at 5:31 PM

DEWEY DEFEATS OBAMA

(for real this time)

SouthernGent on August 31, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Lucifer: 50, Obama: 42

amerpundit on August 31, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Oooo…that’s a tough one. I think I’d have to stay home.

OT: Is it just my computer or are all of you seeing strangely Mondrian looking distortions of the images that are posted on HotAir?

pannw on August 31, 2010 at 5:32 PM

gophergirl on August 31, 2010 at 5:23 PM

2nd that…

cmsinaz on August 31, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Congratulations, Barack Obama. You’ve done in two years what would have otherwise taken a decade – rehabilitated GWB’s reputation.

JEM on August 31, 2010 at 5:34 PM

John Wayne Gacy: 50, Obama: 42.

Mason on August 31, 2010 at 5:36 PM

Yep. The Left demonized Bush so much and built up Obama to such a high pedestal. They’ve glorified Obama so much he could never live up to the expectations. They’ve demonized Bush so much he will never live up to the demonization.

terryannonline on August 31, 2010 at 5:37 PM

I likes me some GWB, but another Bush in the White House? No thank. Not a big fan of dynasties.

WitchDoctor on August 31, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Obama is the GOP’s greatest hero – he may have single-handedly demolished the Democratic Party for a decade.

faraway on August 31, 2010 at 5:39 PM

OT: Is it just my computer or are all of you seeing strangely Mondrian looking distortions of the images that are posted on HotAir?

pannw on August 31, 2010 at 5:32 PM

If you have a Macbook, it’s something to do with Adobe Flash. Mine does it too.

AubieJon on August 31, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Ask yourselves: Are you better off today than you were 2 years ago?

Ask yourselves: Are you better off after the Dems won full control of the Congress and the Governorships almost 4 years ago?

CWforFreedom on August 31, 2010 at 5:39 PM

So, the Dem strategy is to run against a man who isn’t on any ballot — and they’re losing to him.

Tres Angelas on August 31, 2010 at 5:40 PM

Can we get a fast Const Amendment in place so as to allow GW Bush to run again in 2012? Just askin’, that’s all.

alwyr on August 31, 2010 at 5:40 PM

I never thought we’d be using Bush’s legacy as a weathervane, but there you have it.

You don’t need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows…

Heh.

Bruno Strozek on August 31, 2010 at 5:41 PM

I’d like to see the polling on Reagan v. Obama.

Terrie on August 31, 2010 at 5:41 PM

What a mouthful of a poll that turned out to be. I hear crickets from the left.

scalleywag on August 31, 2010 at 5:41 PM

I’d rather have a frontal lobotomy than an Obama economy.

CWforFreedom on August 31, 2010 at 5:41 PM

Obama proves that even a smart pretentious, inexperienced, pigheaded, condescending, lazy, inept, Marxist politician with the best of intentions can be wrong.

Yeah.

Cicero43 on August 31, 2010 at 5:43 PM

Laughing at allahpundits daily fresh expressions of surprise at the failures of liberalism.

rayra on August 31, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Uh-huh:)

ohiobabe on August 31, 2010 at 5:45 PM

A few months from now, Barry’s numbers will be even worse; probably the worst ever recorded for any president.

Enjoy November, Dims. And remember, the difference this year is you’ve got Barry on your side! Hahahahahahaha!

AZCoyote on August 31, 2010 at 5:46 PM

I’d rather have a frontal lobotomy than an Obama economy.

CWforFreedom on August 31, 2010 at 5:41 PM

Good one.

fourdeucer on August 31, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Buyers remorse can be a terrrible thing, especially when you’re of the political party that PROMISED much, and has delivered NOTHING.

GarandFan on August 31, 2010 at 5:46 PM

… by a 50-42 margin voters there say they’d rather have George W. Bush in the White House right now than Barack Obama.

Heck, at this point, I’m sure a majority would rather have Jimmy Carter in the White House than 0bama.

UltimateBob on August 31, 2010 at 5:48 PM

So what does this do to the Dem strategy of blaming Bush? They must have a fallback plan.

The MSM should take out some hyperventilation insurance now, before the rates rise.

GnuBreed on August 31, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Presumably Bush’s numbers will dip a bit again once he launches his book tour and past crises start being rehashed in the media. But who knows? Dickerson’s point is that the worse Obama looks, the better Dubya seems by comparison. If Hopenchange continues to disintegrate, the “Miss Me Yet?” bandwagon could be a bona fide fee-vah by November. I never thought we’d be using Bush’s legacy as a weathervane, but there you have it.

Maybe yes maybe no, but the Democrats have done everything in their power to keep those past crises in the news…blame Bush blame Bush, etc. The other day at some site I actually saw a leftie use the Haliburton/Katrina/pet goat attack in one single blog post. It is not as if they have allowed any of it to be forgotten. It is just that people have heard it so many times it is not that big a deal anymore. Maybe.

Terrye on August 31, 2010 at 5:48 PM

With Hurricane Earl on a direct course toward the east coast and DC area, I’m wondering if God has a sense of humor and is about to smack barack with is very own hurricane. After all, just the other day he was smack talking Bush on Katrina. I wish no harm on anyone and hope we don’t get hit, but I do think the timing and potential strike points are interesting.

Key West Reader on August 31, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Barack Obama: EPIC FAIL

J_Crater on August 31, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Putin would beat Obama. At least we know where he stands.

faraway on August 31, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Turd Sandwich 57%
Obama (Giant Douche) 40%

Monica on August 31, 2010 at 5:30 PM

The greenish-yellow stuff my cat just coughed up: 52%
0bama: 38%

UltimateBob on August 31, 2010 at 5:50 PM

2010: Do you miss me yet!? (George W. Bush)

2011: Do you miss me yet!? (Jimmy Carter)

2012: Do you miss me yet!? (King George III)

Tav on August 31, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Putin would beat Obama.

Putin would also take Barry’s pretty bike and his lunch money and pull his shorts up to his neck.

Cicero43 on August 31, 2010 at 5:55 PM

If Hopenchange continues to disintegrate, the “Miss Me Yet?” bandwagon could be a bona fide fee-vah by November. I never thought we’d be using Bush’s legacy as a weathervane, but there you have it.

Maybe Jeb might look good as an alternative by 2012. He was governor of FL, and a lot better than the current Gov!

Steve Z on August 31, 2010 at 5:57 PM

If you have a Macbook, it’s something to do with Adobe Flash. Mine does it too.

AubieJon on August 31, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Thanks for the reply. I don’t, but I did just download a new Adobe reader thingy or something. Not sure if that’s when it started… I wonder if that has something to do with it. It doesn’t happen on any other site, and it isn’t even all of HotAir’s images. It is annoying, though. ???

pannw on August 31, 2010 at 5:59 PM

O-H! I-O!

Good Solid B-Plus on August 31, 2010 at 6:01 PM

2012: Do you miss me yet!? (King George III)

Tav on August 31, 2010 at 5:54 PM

“Dost thou misseth me yet?” – George Rex 3.0

Good Solid B-Plus on August 31, 2010 at 6:02 PM

OT:

Normally would not give Da Bambster’s speech tonight (“I was for the surge, um, after I was agin’ it.”) the time of day, but I find myself looking forward to seeing how he tries to take credit. I’m hoping there will be an open thread on HA, and am curious about any “drinking games” ya’ll might propose.

Chewy the Lab on August 31, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Can anyone see Obama stopping and muscling his way back past a couple of third world tin pot security goons to get one of his Secret Service men through? Nope, neither can I. Bush was and is a classy guy!

BadMojo on August 31, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Lucifer: 50, Obama: 42

amerpundit on August 31, 2010 at 5:22 PM

More like Hitler: 50, Stalin: 42

Hey it’s 1941 all over again.

simkeith on August 31, 2010 at 6:08 PM

GW. He’s doing the right thing just by keeping his mouth shut. He did it when the MSM hammered him, he just kept mum. It hurt him as Rove conceded, but nowadays its a tactic that’s helpful.

good job sir.

ted c on August 31, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Key West Reader on August 31, 2010 at 5:49 PM

LOL .. you owe my brain some rent $$ !! :-)

pambi on August 31, 2010 at 6:18 PM

“Miss Me Yet?”

He should put that as a sticker on his book.

barnone on August 31, 2010 at 6:24 PM

More like Hitler: 50, Stalin: 42
Hey it’s 1941 all over again.
simkeith on August 31, 2010 at 6:08 PM

What’s with Stalin always getting the bad rap – Lenin was just as much of a Progressive slime ball.

(No offense to any slime balls out there)

Chip on August 31, 2010 at 6:25 PM

I shudder to think of the results of a poll between dinnerjacket and zero.

dragondrop on August 31, 2010 at 6:26 PM

Elmer Fudd-57%

Bwack Obama-42%

booter on August 31, 2010 at 6:30 PM

I miss Bush in the same way that a Jew in Nazi Germany might miss the Weimar Republic.

year_of_the_dingo on August 31, 2010 at 6:30 PM

So, the Dem strategy is to run against a man who isn’t on any ballot — and they’re losing to him.

Tres Angelas on August 31, 2010 at 5:40 PM

Close the thread. We have a winner!

GrannyDee on August 31, 2010 at 6:34 PM

More like Hitler: 50, Stalin: 42

Hey it’s 1941 all over again.

simkeith on August 31, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Heck, if it’s a choice between Stalin and Obama, I’d choose Stalin. At least Uncle Joe is no hypocrite.

year_of_the_dingo on August 31, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Jeb 2012?

Daemonocracy on August 31, 2010 at 6:40 PM

And at least Stalin was proud of the Soviet Union.

year_of_the_dingo on August 31, 2010 at 6:40 PM

I would have to say, this was unexpected.

tarpon on August 31, 2010 at 6:47 PM

This reminds me of Gore trying to crowd W during one of their debates. Classic.

AubieJon on August 31, 2010 at 5:20 PM

..and that incredibly timed double-take Bush did to illustrate what a comedic fraud that tub of goo really was/is.

The War Planner on August 31, 2010 at 6:59 PM

I miss Bush in the same way that a Jew in Nazi Germany might miss the Weimar Republic.

year_of_the_dingo on August 31, 2010 at 6:30 PM

..and I miss the fact that you’re obviously a flaming a**hole.

The War Planner on August 31, 2010 at 7:01 PM

whoomp there it is. shaka-laka-shaka

ginaswo on August 31, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Chip on August 31, 2010 at 6:25 PM

Stalin and Hitler were actually allies until Hitler decided to invade the Soviet Union after conquering eastern Europe. Lenin just killed a lot of people who could not be re-educated. He was a piker compared to Stalin.

simkeith on August 31, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Facts are Facts!

Christian Conservative on August 31, 2010 at 7:26 PM

This Buckeye says hell yes.

BHO Jonestown on August 31, 2010 at 7:29 PM

Wow. Who knew there are that many racists in Ohio. /

hepcat on August 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Wait wait wait! Is Bush running again? Oh so it’s fantasy Bush… Yeah, I’d vote for anything over Obama about now.

petunia on August 31, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Guess more Americans in the car are looking in the rear view mirror these days because they don’t like the cliff Obama continues to speed towards.

chickasaw42 on August 31, 2010 at 8:11 PM

So, the Dem strategy is to run against a man who isn’t on any ballot — and they’re losing to him.

Tres Angelas on August 31, 2010 at 5:40 PM

Close the thread. We have a winner!

GrannyDee on August 31, 2010 at 6:34 PM

LOL !!!

RustBelt on August 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM

I tell you…. Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

antisocial on August 31, 2010 at 8:41 PM

Looks like Obama has visited Ohio one too many times and worn out his welcome.

HellCat on August 31, 2010 at 9:36 PM

Compared to a Marxist, even a neocon RINO looks good. Of course, compared to Obama, even the shrill pantsuit looks good. Compared to obama and the odious characters in orbit around him, who wouldn’t look good?

keep the change on August 31, 2010 at 10:25 PM

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