The Honor of a Great People

posted at 12:00 pm on August 29, 2010 by Doctor Zero

Three hundred thousand people gathered in the Washington Mall on August 28, at the invitation of radio and TV host Glenn Beck, to discuss restoring the honor of the American people.  How did a great people come to lose their honor?

It certainly hasn’t been lost by all of us.  Individuals, families, and communities across America never broke faith with the noble traditions of self-reliance, responsibility, and adventure that forged this honorable nation.  Such people can be found in every neighborhood of every city… but the nation as a whole has lost its way.

We dishonor ourselves when we tolerate the use of our fighting men and women as pawns in a political game.  As long as they stand in harm’s way, we should accept no insult or slander against them.  Robust criticism of the policy makers who declare and end hostilities is fair and welcome… but there is a line between politicians and soldiers, and it is easily visible to honorable people.  We should have nothing but contempt for the likes of Code Pink.  Illinois Senator Dick Durbin’s political career should have ended the day after he compared our service members to Nazis.  There is no place for such creatures in the Congress of a nation that answers the dedication and sacrifice of its veterans with love and respect.  In a rough economy with an uncertain future, Beck’s rally raised $5.5 million to help the families of special-operations soldiers killed in battle.  That is a strong step in the right direction.

We dishonor ourselves when we create massive obligations with unsustainable financing.  This shows disrespect to the future, and a craven refusal to face the realities of today.  If time is money, then madcap deficit spending steals the time of the future… draining it away like so much sand down the neck of a broken hourglass.  As parents love their children, we should be mindful of the future, and eager to shoulder our current burdens instead of passing them along, with interest.  We cannot know the shape of tomorrow, or what hardships they may be facing when the bills for our indulgences come due.

We dishonor ourselves when we declare the rights and freedoms of our fellow citizens to be conditional, and subject to our needs.  Free people do not expect the State to confiscate and ration.  They don’t subcontract the design of the future to political appointees.  They understand such designs require obedience, and obedience requires compulsion.  You cannot “honor” a neighbor you deem unfit to manage his own affairs.  There is no honor to be found in the pursuit of a perfect State to rule an inadequate people.

We dishonor ourselves when we embrace death as the solution to inconvenient people.

We dishonor ourselves when we deny the possibility of progress to embrace tribal hatreds.  Race and feminist hustlers peddle a message that says the vast majority of people cannot be trusted to show common decency to minorities and women.  We’ve had enough of this toxic superstition.  Precious lives have been wasted, and ended, because there is power and profit to be gained in pretending the Civil Rights Act happened yesterday, and slavery ended the day before that.  Where is the honor In shrieking that people who disagree with your politics are “interchangeable with the KKK?”  An ideology so weak that it must resort to these underhanded tactics is garbage unfit for the intellectual consumption of a proud people.  Those who are foolish enough to ignore the evidence of their eyes and ears, and consume that garbage, will rediscover their honor after they find their self-respect.

Most crucially, we dishonor ourselves when we forget we “have the same steel spine and the moral courage of Washington and Lincoln and Martin Luther King,” as Sarah Palin said at the Restoring Honor rally.  We remain the proud inheritors of a revolutionary philosophy, the children of vision and industry.  We have not diminished into timid weaklings, unworthy of the trust of our ruling class.  Our land is still abundant, and filled with parents who want to make a better life for their children.  Why should we listen to assurances that our future will be one of decline, where children hear their parents mourn better times from distant memory?  Why should we accept that ten percent and more of our population must remain unemployed forever?  Why should we excuse the failure of an incompetent Administration by believing we became helpless and destitute in just a few short years, and are now obliged to provide limitless resources to our caretakers?

We have listened too long to the poisonous whispers of those who say we’re too old and feeble to stand up and deal with our own problems.  The doom they have written for us can be swept aside like so many cobwebs.  Honorable people do not fear risk and challenge.  We dishonor ourselves by believing we have no moral claim on the entirety of our labor, or responsibility for the maintenance of our needs.  We dishonor ourselves by paying trillions to hear the same old fairy tale about limitless entitlements distributed by friendly giants wearing power ties.  The American people have wasted enough time reading the elaborate limited warranty on the inside of the coffin lid our Left is preparing to nail shut.

We reclaim our honor by turning away from those who believe the great mass of us are beneath their contempt, and compassion is best expressed through domination.  They have no power we didn’t give them, which means they have no power we cannot take away.  Let us begin.

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Great post, Doc.
I now believe we need term limits for those of us who have lost their honor. One six year term for both Houses of Congress and done.

d1carter on August 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Awesome, thank you!

txmomof6 on August 29, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Thanks. I needed more. I loved the rally yesterday. Why so many voted for this trash in DC is what I will never fathom. I also agree that term limits should help. Also, mandatory town hall meetings without bouncer thugs. Maybe we need a fast recall method to rid ourselves of such crooks.

MoGal on August 29, 2010 at 12:11 PM

We dishonor ourselves by believing we have no moral claim on the entirety of our labor, or responsibility for the maintenance of our needs.

Hear! Freaking Hear!

Weight of Glory on August 29, 2010 at 12:11 PM

This is the first post I have seen that gave attendence figures as something other than “thousands”; and I looked everywhere. If I wasn’t offshore on top of the Horizon site, I would have been one of the “thousands”.

DAT60A3 on August 29, 2010 at 12:11 PM

I now believe we need term limits for those of us who have lost their honor. One six year term for both Houses of Congress and done.

d1carter on August 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Hear ye, hear ye.

NoNails on August 29, 2010 at 12:11 PM

Back, back, back…. and waaaaaayyyy outta here!

KGB on August 29, 2010 at 12:13 PM

We dishonor ourselves when we declare the rights and freedoms of our fellow citizens to be conditional, and subject to our needs.

Three cheers for that!

Gotta hand it to Doc, he said it here better than Beck did yesterday.

JetBoy on August 29, 2010 at 12:13 PM

We also dishonor ourselves when we surrender dogma to the religous left. Much like in the WOT we are in a spiritual war with evil and each and every time we handicap ourselves with the ROE we handicap ourselves spiritually by restricting the narrative to only those feel good subjects that weaken our moral armor.

fourdeucer on August 29, 2010 at 12:16 PM

“We dishonor ourselves when we declare the rights and freedoms of our fellow citizens to be conditional, and subject to our needs”
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Like, say denying people the right to build a community center blocks away from ground zero because it hurts your feelings and your feelings are somehow more important than others’ rights and freedoms.

That kind of conditional bullsh*t?

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM

For every person out there, I’d be willing to bet that there are 5 or 6 who couldn’t make it.

CynicalOptimist on August 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Illinois Senator Dick Durbin’s political career should have ended the day after he compared our service members to Nazis. There is no place for such creatures in the Congress of a nation that answers the dedication and sacrifice of its veterans with love and respect.

Tell me about it, Doc!

Dick Durbin has to be the worst Senator my state of Illinois has had since the equally reprehensible Carol Mosley Braun! The man has done nothing but become the butt-smooching good little Democratic mouthpiece for Mayor Daley, not to mention become something of a national embarrassment for some of the unbelievably crass and stupid things he has said in the past.

Yet despite this, when he last ran for re-election, they had these billboards plastered all over Chicago with a quote from Time Magazine proclaiming Durbin “one of the Top 10 Senators in the Nation!” Considering this was from Time, I can just imagine who the other 9 Senators were!

The problem is that Durbin is a fake and a fraud when it comes to his supposed “compassion” for the people in his state, who he hardly even pays any attention to, unless it is coming up to re-election time, naturally. Then he becomes this bamboozle artist who throws up a list of all his supposed “accomplishments” and “achievements”, and he does it in such a way that people are deceived by all the smoke and mirrors, not to mention the well-financed attack ads he runs against whoever his opponent is, and people in this state end up sending him back to Washington for another term.

My only hope is that sooner or later, especially with the way the winds of change are now blowing in this country, Durbin’s days as a Senator may be numbered, as more and more people in Illinois see this guy for who and what he really is.

Maybe by the next time Durbin is up for re-election, we can come up with a more viable, far more honest candidate who can expose Durbin for what he is, beat him in the voting booth and throw him out of the Senate once and for all.

pilamaye on August 29, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Like, say denying people the right to build a community center blocks away from ground zero because it hurts your feelings and your feelings are somehow more important than others’ rights and freedoms.

That kind of conditional bullsh*t?

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM

It’s not about their right to build that mosque there…it’s about it being the “right thing” to do.

JetBoy on August 29, 2010 at 12:22 PM

CynicalOptimist@12:21,
I agree with you. I wonder if anyone knows if cspan has a rating for viewed events like the other news outlets have? It would be nice to hear how many were watching cspan.
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letget on August 29, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Where is the honor In shrieking that people who disagree with your politics are “interchangeable with the KKK?”
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Yeah, where’s the honour in comparing everything to Nazi Germany like Beck does?

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Like, say denying people the right to build a community center blocks away from ground zero because it hurts your feelings and your feelings are somehow more important than others’ rights and freedoms.

That kind of conditional bullsh*t?

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM

It’s not about their right to build that mosque there…it’s about it being the “right thing” to do.

JetBoy on August 29, 2010 at 12:22 PM
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Ah, yes, exactly. The conditional bullsh*t. Thanks for confirming it.

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Doc, would you be willing to run for office? We could use more like you representing our nation.

davecatbone on August 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM

This is the first post I have seen that gave attendence figures as something other than “thousands”; and I looked everywhere. If I wasn’t offshore on top of the Horizon site, I would have been one of the “thousands”.

DAT60A3 on August 29, 2010 at 12:11 PM


That 300,000 number comes from NBC News. Since they are untrustworthy, I would say it is at least double. The Park Police states that the area around the reflection pool is between 200-250,000 people. Looking at the aerial shot on Drudge, the reflecting pool was completely surrounded and the field to the right of the Lincoln Memorial was completely full. Extrapolating the area, given the estimate of people that surrounds the reflecting pool, the estimate of people has to be at least 500-700,000 people.

NBC is trying to downgrade the crowd, but even they cannot expect people to swallow the lie of 10′s of thousands as some news outlets were trying to report.

DoS_Conservative on August 29, 2010 at 12:28 PM

poor dave, try googling “hitler bush”

faraway on August 29, 2010 at 12:29 PM

“Daddy, do we have to be Socialists, too?”

faraway on August 29, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Dave Rywall – you have got to be kidding or just poking the Bull either way if you can’t see that we are being invaded by The Religion of Peace — You have no Freakin Clue

wheels on August 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM

So to be honorable, we all have to be more Republican…gotcha. /s

The GOP’s platform lines up almost exactly with your here essay, except for the whole not using soldiers as pawns and being reckless with the nations financial future. I’ll freely admit that being a more honorable nation would eventually require us to align ourselves more with your outline, but there doesn’t seem to be any political option for those who want what you want.

ernesto on August 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM

This should be on the front page of every paper and all should be required to read it.

Oh and those wonderful, want to be American bridge builders who just want to worship and play basketball, mosque developers can’t even pay their city taxes. They owe over $200,000. and counting. Maybe they think the state dept will kick in a payment.

Kissmygrits on August 29, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Like, say denying people the right to build a community center blocks away from ground zero because it hurts your feelings and your feelings are somehow more important than others’ rights and freedoms.

That kind of conditional bullsh*t?

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM

More word games . Very few people are arguing that they do not have the right to build it. Please quit you are just embarrassing yourself. Of course, Alinsky would be proud.

CWforFreedom on August 29, 2010 at 12:32 PM

wheels on August 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM

We are, in fact, impervious to Eurasian or African invasion. Our oceans will keep them out, as they always have.

ernesto on August 29, 2010 at 12:33 PM

We are, in fact, impervious to Eurasian or African invasion. Our oceans will keep them out, as they always have.

ernesto on August 29, 2010 at 12:33 PM

9/11 anyone.
You and dave should get a room and a couple of clues.

VegasRick on August 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Like, say denying people the right to build a community center blocks away from ground zero because it hurts your feelings and your feelings are somehow more important than others’ rights and freedoms.

That kind of conditional bullsh*t?

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM


The constitution guarantees the right to practice your religion of choice. It doesn’t guarantee that you can build a mosque or church or synagogue or community center where ever you want.

The bullsh*t you refer to is getting a constitutional interpretation from a Canadian?

DoS_Conservative on August 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Excellent article, Doc Zero.

long_cat on August 29, 2010 at 12:37 PM

300,000…..500,000…..750,000……all “country class” citizens.

I just finished this morning reading the great piece (16 pages) by Angelo Codevilla titled “America’s Ruling Class—And the perils of Revolution”. In nearly 40 years of paying attention to politics, NO ARTICLE/BOOK THAT I’VE READ comes as close to describing the challenge of normal American Joe and Mary and those set against them and their lives.

Here is a link. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT (it was well worth the time, over many weeks here and there).

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print

Two Parts that stood out to me…..

The first dealing with how Conservatives actually do get to have access to power the left/Progressives cut them off at the knees….

Certainly the country class lacks its own political vehicle — and perhaps the coherence to establish one. In the short term at least, the country class has no alternative but to channel its political efforts through the Republican Party, which is eager for its support. But the Republican Party does not live to represent the country class. For it to do so, it would have to become principles-based, as it has not been since the mid-1860s. The few who tried to make it so the party treated as rebels: Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. The party helped defeat Goldwater. When it failed to stop Reagan, it saddled his and subsequent Republican administrations with establishmentarians who, under the Bush family, repudiated Reagan’s principles as much as they could.

and in a seperate vein dealing with the Left “apologizing” for America……..

Similarly, Obama “apologized” to Europeans because some Americans — not him and his friends — had shown “arrogance and been dismissive” toward them, and to the world because President Truman had used the atom bomb to end World War II. So President Clinton apologized to Africans because some Americans held African slaves until 1865 and others were mean to Negroes thereafter — not himself and his friends, of course. So assistant secretary of state Michael Posner apologized to Chinese diplomats for Arizona’s law that directs police to check immigration status. Republicans engage in that sort of thing as well: former Soviet dictator Mikhail Gorbachev tells us that in 1987 then vice president George H. W. Bush distanced himself from his own administration by telling him, “Reagan is a conservative, an extreme conservative. All the dummies and blockheads are with him…” This is all about a class of Americans distinguishing itself from its inferiors. It recalls the Pharisee in the Temple: “Lord, I thank thee that I am not like other men…”

In sum, our ruling class does not like the rest of America. Most of all does it dislike that so many Americans think America is substantially different from the rest of the world and like it that way. For our ruling class, however, America is a work in progress, just like the rest the world, and they are the engineers.

Like I said, this article (Rush talked about it back in July I think it was) sums it all up…..Thank you Professor Codevilla.

****and thank you Doctor Zero, great article.

PappyD61 on August 29, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Dave Rywall: “Yeah, where’s the honour in comparing everything to Nazi Germany like Beck does?”

what an assinine comment

of course he DOESN’T, but don’t a fact get in the way of silliness.

Beck does, however, draw a lot of parallels to the era that gave rise to National SOCIALISM (aka: the Nazis). Including the fawning adoration that the Progressives of that era had for Mussolini and Hitler, before they started murdering people, of course.

And then there are the parallels of the Weimar Republic to our own…

Justrand on August 29, 2010 at 12:38 PM

The constitution guarantees the right to practice your religion of choice. It doesn’t guarantee that you can build a mosque or church or synagogue or community center where ever you want.

The bullsh*t you refer to is getting a constitutional interpretation from a Canadian?

DoS_Conservative on August 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM
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So you’re actually admitting that you’re denying your fellow citizens’ rights to exercise their rights and freedoms. Thanks.

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:38 PM

That kind of conditional bullsh*t?
Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM

So? Under our constitution ALL rights are conditional. None are absolute. Freedom of speech doesn’t give license to falsely yell fire in the crowded theater. Freedom of the press doesn’t give right to defame people. Freedom of religion doesn’t give the right to commit human sacrifice. The second amendment doesn’t mean we have to let prison inmates buy shotguns. It always been a question of where the line is drawn and that’s always a legitimate discussion but your shock and vitriol about an actual ~shudder~ “condition” seems naive in the extreme.

tommyboy on August 29, 2010 at 12:41 PM

I’m still laughing about CBS reporting 87,000 at the Glenn Beck rally. That was them being generous.

Really, why would people get their news from CBS when they can easily see aerial shots of the event online from a million other sources.

SOmeone needs to tell them over at CBS that the days of us being limited to three main network sources for visual news reports are long gone, and the train left without CBS.

ace tomato on August 29, 2010 at 12:41 PM

what an assinine comment

of course he DOESN’T, but don’t a fact get in the way of silliness.

Beck does, however, draw a lot of parallels to the era that gave rise to National SOCIALISM (aka: the Nazis). Including the fawning adoration that the Progressives of that era had for Mussolini and Hitler, before they started murdering people, of course.

And then there are the parallels of the Weimar Republic to our own…

Justrand on August 29, 2010 at 12:38 PM
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Beck comparing people and things to Nazi Germany doesn’t happen often?
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Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:42 PM

We are, in fact, impervious to Eurasian or African invasion. Our oceans will keep them out, as they always have.

ernesto on August 29, 2010 at 12:33 PM

I don’t think he meant they’ll descend upon us on magic carpets darkening the sky. Look up ‘silent Jihad’.

RepubChica on August 29, 2010 at 12:45 PM

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Dave you’re an unpleasant, sanctimonious little s..t. Why do come here and spout you’re Dem. talking points? Go over to Huff where you’ll feel right at home…

sandee on August 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM

“Where is the honor In shrieking that people who disagree with your politics are “interchangeable with the KKK?” Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:26 PM
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Fact: the KKK was the militant arm of the Democrat Party.

Wendy on August 29, 2010 at 12:49 PM

It’s not about their right to build that mosque there…it’s about it being the “right thing” to do.

JetBoy on August 29, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Now that you explained it to Dave i’m sure he’ll catch on right a……………………..

heshtesh on August 29, 2010 at 12:51 PM

The world is full of Dave’s and Ernestos. Vacant holes in logic are filled in with well, stupidity. Our public education system is totally meaningless if this is the product – where have all the virtuous men and women gone? What have you done with them? Where has wisdom gone? Instead we get lies and deceit. Our past is redeemed and our future is certain – only the present is in question and without a doubt, it stands today less erect than it should – thanks to our aforementioned education system.

Fuquay Steve on August 29, 2010 at 12:51 PM

VegasRick on August 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM

I wasn’t being serious. I’ll add a /sarc tag next time.

ernesto on August 29, 2010 at 12:51 PM

So you’re actually admitting that you’re denying your fellow citizens’ rights to exercise their rights and freedoms. Thanks.

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:38 PM

You do realize that there are zoning rules all over the USA. People are denied permits all the time.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/296662

Davey your debate tactics would make Ernie proud.

CWforFreedom on August 29, 2010 at 12:51 PM

I wasn’t being serious. I’ll add a /sarc tag next time.

ernesto on August 29, 2010 at 12:51 PM

Just put a sarc tag next your name along with a disclaimer that little truth is in your posts.

CWforFreedom on August 29, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Screw off Dave. And even if he does draw some apt parallels to the National Socialists, he’s right. BTW all’s fair after the left’s “Bushy Mchitler” lies. Get over yourself.

Haunches on August 29, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Dave you’re an unpleasant, sanctimonious little s..t. Why do come here and spout you’re Dem. talking points? Go over to Huff where you’ll feel right at home…

sandee on August 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM
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What dem talking points, idiot?

I’m calling bullsh*t on a huckster dj who’s laughing all the way to the bank on your dime.

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Beck’s rally raised $5.5 million to help the families of special-operations soldiers killed in battle.

I have to admit that is the first figure I have seen and what an awe inspiring figure it is. On top of every other demand on our budgets this is a truly sacrificial offering. God bless every donor.

fourdeucer on August 29, 2010 at 12:53 PM

“Where is the honor In shrieking that people who disagree with your politics are “interchangeable with the KKK?”

A LEFTIE said that you moonbat.

Haunches on August 29, 2010 at 12:54 PM

CWforFreedom on August 29, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Oh would you just leave me be CW? You’re on the level of stalking me. Please just stop.

ernesto on August 29, 2010 at 12:55 PM

dave, wait, you are right. I am a racist and a bigot. What train do I catch to go to the camps?

faraway on August 29, 2010 at 12:56 PM

I’m calling bullsh*t on a huckster dj who’s laughing all the way to the bank on your dime.

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:53 PM

You want to warn us about Al Gore and Charlie Rangle? Thanks, we know.

Haunches on August 29, 2010 at 12:57 PM

You do realize that there are zoning rules all over the USA. People are denied permits all the time.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/296662

Davey your debate tactics would make Ernie proud.

CWforFreedom on August 29, 2010 at 12:51 PM
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I guess it’s too much to ask for you to pay fu*king attention since they already got approval about a month ago.

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Nice essay.

While the media pshaws the motivation of the Glenn Beck rally and substitutes their conspiracy-theory speculations as fact that the rally was code language for white power or it was Republican-backed or whatever, it really was about Restoring our Honor. It seems folks on the left don’t see Honor as something tangible, relevant, important, or even real.

Well Honor is all those, and it’s perhaps one of the driving factors our nation has neglected for far too long.

stonemeister on August 29, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Oh, Dave…why are you here? Of course, we would miss your soaring intellect and towering command over the English language if you left us; to wit:

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…so if you really want to hurt us, and it would appear from your posts that you do, just leave us to wallow in our ignorance without your wisdom to guide us.

jakev on August 29, 2010 at 12:58 PM

dave, how long have you been a Marxist?

faraway on August 29, 2010 at 12:59 PM

So you’re actually admitting that you’re denying your fellow citizens’ rights to exercise their rights and freedoms. Thanks.

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:38 PM

When you’re able to discuss the huge spread of Islam across western nations in the past twenty years and what that’s done to those countries, then you might deserve a respectful reply. As it stands now, you’re a simpleton of the left, regurgitating their talking points … such as now being for religious freedom, when they’ve everything in their power to destroy it for everyone else.

Keep your head in the sand.

darwin on August 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM

We reclaim our honor by turning away from those who believe the great mass of us are beneath their contempt, and compassion is best expressed through domination. They have no power we didn’t give them, which means they have no power we cannot take away. Let us begin.

Amen!

We have to get moving before the Hatefilled Left figures out how to take even this away. I think this is the main objective with their use of groups like ACORN and the SEIU…to steal eections… We need to be very vigilant about the elections this November and thereafter.

CCRWM on August 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM

I guess it’s too much to ask for you to pay fu*king attention since they already got approval about a month ago.

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Except they denied new building on sites containing identically aged and similarly situated buildings in the same style. Why is that? That’s why the funding has to be investigated. It’s obvious that more is going on here. You need to look past your statist/islamo talking points.

Haunches on August 29, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Oh, drywall, I swear you’re hopeless.
The mosque deal is merely an appeal to ‘civility’, and ‘sensitivity’.. absolutely no dismissal of any constitutional right, just the DIShonorable ‘right’ to stick up a middle finger to those of us offeded by the concept.
All of a sudden it’s not legitimate to feel offended ??
What does that say about YOUR conditions ??

pambi on August 29, 2010 at 1:02 PM

This “idiot” thinks that little Dave is trying to rationalize away this massive rally as nothing to worry about. Me thinks he protests too much . Running scared there that your party is going to be in for some major butt kicking?

sandee on August 29, 2010 at 1:02 PM

I guess it’s too much to ask for you to pay fu*king attention since they already got approval about a month ago.

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:57 PM

A zombie of the left asking someone to pay attention. Too rich.

darwin on August 29, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Dave Rywall – you have got to be kidding or just poking the Bull either way if you can’t see that we are being invaded by The Religion of Peace — You have no Freakin Clue
wheels on August 29, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Dave is Canadian. The religion of peace has already taken control of the speech laws in Canada. He’s just trying to spread the joy to the U.S. He’ll fail, but it’s kind of fun to watch him try…

joejm65 on August 29, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Like, say denying people the right to build a community center blocks away from ground zero because it hurts your feelings and your feelings are somehow more important than others’ rights and freedoms.

That kind of conditional bullsh*t?

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM

They have not been denied anything, people have voiced their opinions that maybe they should not build it RIGHT THERE. Perhaps if it had been your country to be attacked thhat day , you might understand. Who am I kidding, you understand it now but you do not care because as we all know, your feeling really are more important than ours.

So quit your lying “bullsh*t” about them being denied anything. They are alllowed to build it and nothing they have applied for or requested has been denied them. You just want to shut us up and make my speech conditional to your whims.

bluemarlin on August 29, 2010 at 1:08 PM

TESTING, have tried 7x to post on this thread and it’s not showing up.

PappyD61 on August 29, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Reminder to Dave…

Hark back to the early 90′s…Disney wanted to build a theme park near civil war battlefields in Virgina. There was an outcry over it. And the powerful Disney corp. conceded due to popular dissent over it not being built there.

Has nothing to do with “conditionality”…like the mosque, again, is it right and proper at that spot? Enough of us say it is not. And we have every right to say that.

JetBoy on August 29, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Ah, yes, exactly. The conditional bullsh*t. Thanks for confirming it.

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Dave, why don’t you just take your bullsh*t to another site. Conservatives have just about had their fill of the likes of you.

silvernana on August 29, 2010 at 1:13 PM

And we dishonor ourselves when we, like Dr Zero, advocate for gay marriage and disparage the traditional family as a mere ideal.

Akzed on August 29, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Term limits should be put into motion the very minute that the Senate Majority Leader Reid declares the Iraq war lost or when Obama tries to take credit for a war he despised and tried to destroy. As the incumbents lose offices they have held for years like Bennet (Utah) and Wamp (Tennessee) you see how absolutely petty and how their feelings of entitlement are so close to the surface as they rebuke those too stupid to know what is best for them. Keep the flushing going. The majority of those in office now are unfit to lead. When in doubt, kick them out.

volsense on August 29, 2010 at 1:15 PM

Won’t accept the post (with text from the article) so I guess you’ll have to go to the article and read it yourself…..assuming this post even gets posted. Very frustrating, have spent 30 minutes trying to get this posted.

It’s a great great article…..
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print

PappyD61 on August 29, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Like, say denying people the right to build a community center blocks away from ground zero because it hurts your feelings and your feelings are somehow more important than others’ rights and freedoms.

That kind of conditional bullsh*t?

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM
It’s not about their right to build that mosque there…it’s about it being the “right thing” to do.

JetBoy on August 29, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Wonder how many lefties will be braying on about how important freedom of religion is in articles discussing the rally? The irony of the timing of this rally and the whole mosque controversy just struck me. Serendipity.

txmomof6 on August 29, 2010 at 1:18 PM

We dishonor ourselves, our nation, our ancesters, and our decendants by allowing traitorous Marxists and race hustlers to take over education and brainwash our children.

Kalapana on August 29, 2010 at 1:20 PM

This “idiot” thinks that little Dave is trying to rationalize away this massive rally as nothing to worry about. Me thinks he protests too much . Running scared there that your party is going to be in for some major butt kicking?

sandee on August 29, 2010 at 1:02 PM

They are scared, it is not just about any party though. That message from the rally rips into their whole progressive agend and theories. Deep down they are all shaking and whimpering at the thought of this message catching fire with the people. He should be afraid, very afraid!

bluemarlin on August 29, 2010 at 1:21 PM

PappyD61 on August 29, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Yeah it has the dreaded “R” word in it! That is a fantastic article everyone, please take the time to read it, it is pretty long. It was written before the rally but I think it meshes well with the overall message as well as the mood of the people.

bluemarlin on August 29, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Hey, go easy on dave he has limited repertory of thoughts as well as a limited vocabulary. “I guess it’s too much to ask for you to pay fu*king attention since they already got approval about a month ago.”

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Maybe davey can go up to the chalk board and write what he will not say after he gets his mouth washed out.His mama is proud of him. The mosque location is TACKY dave, just plain Tacky.

Col.John Wm. Reed on August 29, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Guys, guys…..don’t let Ernie or Drywall hijack this post. Ignore them.

This is another great essay by Doc Zero—-let’s enjoy it, discuss it, and not let the trolls ruin it.

IrishEi on August 29, 2010 at 1:26 PM

to those calling Beck a huckster “laughing all the way to the bank” relative to yesterday’s event…here’s one of those FACTS that ought to get in the way of Leftist “thinking” (though never does):
Beck wasn’t PAID to do that rally…he PAID to do that rally.

Justrand on August 29, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Let’s focus on the “We honor.” solutions, Doc.
I know, I know. But let’s honor those who came out yesterday by doing something honorable today. No matter how small.

Randy

williars on August 29, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Magnificent, Dr. Zero. Simply magnificent.

ted c on August 29, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Like, say denying people the right to build a community center victory mosque blocks away from ground zero because it hurts your feelings and your feelings are somehow more important than others’ rights and freedoms. Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM

The Quran requires Muslims to subjugate infidels. As they do so they build mosques on conquered land, or convert churches to mosques. They don’t have a right to conquer us or build shrines to their pedophile “prophet” on our soil where they killed thousands of us, their enemies.

No, they don’t have that right. I know that siding with enemies of theWest makes you feel superior to your neighbors, but that’s because you’re a jackass and a moral imbecile, not because we lack insights that you have.

Akzed on August 29, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Great post, Doc…

… Nail, meet Mr. Hammer. You can tell by the troll residue.

Seven Percent Solution on August 29, 2010 at 1:30 PM

This ia a great read (It’s a great great article….
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http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print

PappyD61 on August 29, 2010 at 1:17 PM)

and catches exactally what ernesto and dave do not get. We the people are the rulers the elected are public servants. Let us unite and throw em all out.
Local(we have) State, Federal,we are gonna.

Col.John Wm. Reed on August 29, 2010 at 1:33 PM

This “idiot” thinks that little Davethe MSM is trying to rationalize away minimize this massive rally as nothing to worry about. Me thinks he they protests too much . Running scared there that your party is going to be in for some major butt kicking?

AP “thousands”, ABC “thousands”, NBC “tens of thousands” CBS official estimate “87,000, margin of error 9,000″.
Ha! I know what 93,000 looks like. See Sanford Stadium on a fall Saturday afternoon. This was a bigger crowd. Anyone know what the official DC police crowd estimates are?MASSIVE CROWD in Washington, MASSIVE movement.

redslippers on August 29, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Beck said this morning on Fox that he had an aerial count done yesterday, but doesn’t have the results in yet. He’s not going to let the press get away with diminishing the facts.

silvernana on August 29, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Seriously Ed, the good doc needs a promotion.

abobo on August 29, 2010 at 1:43 PM

@ Dave…face it man, your screwed up, dishonest ideology is GOING DOWN….full-on face plant. No one here buys your faux-clever word games and deceit. Yes, I happily report deep skepticism in Islam, primarily because of its associated and constitutionally incompatible Sharia Law. Only an incurious blinded dhimmi would not see the problem here.

starman on August 29, 2010 at 1:47 PM

If time is money, then madcap deficit spending steals the time of the future… draining it away like so much sand down the neck of a broken hourglass.

For me this is the strongest point made in an excellent post by Doc.

For most Americans, the only thing of real and lasting value they own is their time, talent and labor.

Jvette on August 29, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Freedom of religion is not freedom of construction. Try quoting the Constitution to your local zoning office and see how far that gets you.

By the way, lots of dirt coming out about the Obamamosque builder: Cordoba Mosque Developer Tax Deadbeat

slickwillie2001 on August 29, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Like, say denying people the right to build a community center blocks away from ground zero because it hurts your feelings and your feelings are somehow more important than others’ rights and freedoms.

That kind of conditional bullsh*t?

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Nobody is denying them their right to do this, but there are a few of us who think it isn’t right. As pointed out many times, exercising a right doesn’t make it right.

While we’re talking about intolerance of religion, Dave, do you think it was right for the Jews visiting Auschwitz to be upset over a Catholic convent built on the grounds of the camp? After all, the nuns had a perfect right under Polish law to place a convent in a building they owned…

unclesmrgol on August 29, 2010 at 1:50 PM

If you go to Beck’s site here you will see a crowd picture. The Nat’l Park Police advised Glenn that 200-250K can line the reflecting pool. Another 300-350K can fill the field on the left(headed to the Korean War Memorial). That’s 500-600K right there. If you notice in the photo, there are people on the right of the photo squeezing in from the Vietnam Memorial site as well as people on the bottom of the photo in front of the WW2 Memorial. Since the photo was taken from the observation deck of the Washington Memorial you can’t see all of the people that covered the hill the monument sits on, also the steps of the Lincoln Memorial were packed with folks on the backside of the stage.

This photo was also taken early on, I know, I was there. Plus the sun rises behind the Washington Monument and you can see it’s longer shadow across the reflecting pool.

It may not be a million folks there but it was close. In my opinion, based on Park Police estimates stated above, I’s say this photo shows 750K. Regardless, it’s way more than the 80K that I saw in a CBS report earlier today and easily double of any 300k that seem to be the default number.

i am also a conservative and a Christian, so that makes me a part of this right wing insurgency and not to be trusted, FWIW.

Sweaty Deacon on August 29, 2010 at 1:51 PM

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Now that you have beat the stuffing out of your strawman don’t you have a monkey to go spank?

Aviator on August 29, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Now that you have beat the stuffing out of your strawman don’t you have a monkey to go spank?

Aviator on August 29, 2010 at 1:54 PM

He’d need to go find his microscope first.

Dark-Star on August 29, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Being part of the right wing conspiracy by definition since I am a retired military and a vet, I will have to say that Beck’s rally brought tears to my eyes. And Doc’s read did the same thing. I have a much better feeling about the future of this country,,although some serious speed bumps are growing As an aside,, I would suggest that anyone who thinks that the USA is the cause of radical Islam and we are “the bad guys” and there is something wrong with our culture,,I suggest that they look at a web site called ..religion of peace.com. The total number of terrorist acts and deaths”around the world”. And this is only since 9/11.

retiredeagle on August 29, 2010 at 2:05 PM

This morning on Reliable Sources, I watched Bill Press make one of the dumbest statements.

Bill Press

“I object to invoking God at the Lincoln Memorial…because it’s a sacred spot.”

barnone on August 29, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Oustanding post. . . You should have been a speech writer.

Very inspiring.

Thank you.

SalHansen on August 29, 2010 at 2:15 PM

Being part of the right wing conspiracy by definition since I am a retired military and a vet, I will have to say that Beck’s rally brought tears to my eyes. And Doc’s read did the same thing. I have a much better feeling about the future of this country,,although some serious speed bumps are growing.

retiredeagle on August 29, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Thank you for your service! If anyone kept a dry eye all the way through that rally, I certainly do not undertand how.

bluemarlin on August 29, 2010 at 2:17 PM

Whoa…the doc has a book at Amazon?

This years Christmas present idea list just got shorter.

percysunshine on August 29, 2010 at 2:26 PM

We dishonor ourselves by paying trillions to hear the same old fairy tale about limitless entitlements distributed by friendly giants wearing power ties.

why Dr. Zero is my hero

DrStock on August 29, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Yeah, where’s the honour in comparing everything to Nazi Germany like Beck does?

Dave Rywall on August 29, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Honor, Dave — do you even know the meaning of the word?

Beck was right in comparing ABC News to Goebbels. Goebbels tried to cast anything said by his adversaries as a falsehood, even when what they were saying was manifestly true. He was the penultimate “propaganda minister”.

In the case of Beck, he noted that blacks do not “own” Martin Luther King anymore than whites “own” Abraham Lincoln. With Federal holidays honoring both, they belong to our (yes, Dave, I know you’re a Canuck) nation as a whole.

And he doesn’t compare everything to Nazis — just those things that are unfavorably comparable to what the Nazis did.

unclesmrgol on August 29, 2010 at 2:33 PM

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