Marine Corps commandant: Obama’s withdrawal timetable is giving “sustenance” to the Taliban

posted at 5:38 pm on August 24, 2010 by Allahpundit

If I were The One, I’d be angrier about this than about what Team McChrystal pulled a few months ago. Not that what Conway’s saying is surprising — this has always been the chief hawkish criticism of the July 2011 timetable — but to have one of your own top brass question the strategy publicly, especially in terms this explosive, is mind-boggling.

I wonder if Conway’s willing to assume the risk of a reprimand here because he feels that strongly about the policy or because he’s retiring in a few months anyway and wants to do a favor for other officers who’d love to make this point but have too much to lose in doing so.

“We know the president was talking to several audiences at the same time when he made his comments on July 2011,” Gen. James Conway told reporters on Tuesday. “In some ways, we think right now it’s probably giving our enemy sustenance….In fact, we’ve intercepted communications that say, ‘Hey, you know, we only have to hold out for so long.’”

Conway, who recently returned from a trip to the region, said he expected Marines to remain on the ground in southern Afghanistan, the traditional stronghold for the Taliban, well after July 2011, though he himself is set to retire in the fall.

“I certainly believe that some American units somewhere in Afghanistan will turn over responsibilities to Afghanistan security forces in 2011, I do not think they will be Marines,” he said.

The qualifier about O dealing with multiple audiences in setting the timetable makes me think there are caveats to what Conway said that didn’t make the Journal’s cut. For example, did he go on to say something like, “But we’re willing to risk the short-term ‘sustenance’ to the enemy in order to reassure Afghans that the occupation won’t last forever, which we think will galvanize support for our offensive against the Taliban this fall”? That would turn this into a case of Conway defending the strategy notwithstanding its drawbacks. Although … those are some drawbacks.

A serious question: Assuming the Taliban and their masters in Pakistani intel have access to western media, they surely have some sense that the war is becoming unpopular in America. In which case, how important is the July 2011 deadline, really, in boosting their morale? Even if O rescinded the deadline tomorrow, electoral politics and public opinion are such that both parties will be calling for drawdowns before 2012. We’ve already had no less a conservative stalwart than Ann Coulter publicly question why we’re still there, and after all, the Taliban’s “held out” for nine years already. What reason is there to think they’d throw in the towel if Obama gave up on his timetable when the elections guarantee some sort of limited withdrawal anyway?


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ummm, what does this jarhead know? Obama has a Nobel Peace Prize. mmm hmmm.

joeindc44 on August 24, 2010 at 5:42 PM

It’s a stone-lock guarantee that there are a LOT of general officers with this perspective.

Far too many for the CINC to reprimand, much less fire.

This knowledge gives Gen. Conway cover, I’d say.

Edouard on August 24, 2010 at 5:44 PM

I guess he has his time in grade.

katiejane on August 24, 2010 at 5:45 PM

“I certainly believe that some American units somewhere in Afghanistan will turn over responsibilities to Afghanistan security forces in 2011, I do not think they will be Marines”

What a great quote.

aquaviva on August 24, 2010 at 5:45 PM

I know it would be a bad thing in the long run if Obama surrenders to the Taliban but in the short run if the Taliban can claim it beat Obama (and not America) it will destroy Obama and his credibility forever.

Because I know the war doesnt end if we leave Afghanistan.

William Amos on August 24, 2010 at 5:45 PM

I feel so sorry for the people of Afghanistan. Screwed throughout history, no chance of a decent life. So we pull out, then what? What are the plans for going back? Because we all know we will have to go back again when the taliban resumes their usual shit.

redshirt on August 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Throwing a few grenades behind as he retires.

The brass is fuming. But nothing to do. Just hope he is well prepared for that IRS audit.

swamp_yankee on August 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Does anyone else get the feeling that people are getting more comfortable with piling on Obama?

portlandon on August 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Obama: “Victory” is not our “Goal”

Seven Percent Solution on August 24, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Semper Fi, Commandant!

crash72 on August 24, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Does anyone else get the feeling that people are getting more comfortable with piling on Obama?
portlandon on August 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Is it his weakness or his Incompetence?

Chip on August 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Assuming the Taliban and their masters in Pakistani intel have access to western media, they surely have some sense that the war is becoming unpopular in America. In which case, how important is the July 2011 deadline, really, in boosting their morale?

Is their morale bad? I wouldn’t think so. Sure they get blown into little pieces by drones from time to time but hey, they’re kicking America’s ass … all with the help of your friendly worldwide left.

Isn’t this playing out just like Vietnam? We have the capability to utterly destroy the Taliban, but won’t use it. The left sides with the enemy and causes discontent and upheaval at home (although they’re kinda quiet now because their buddy Barack is one of them). We announce we pull out and eventually do leaving thousands to be slaughtered by the guys we coulda killed but didn’t because darn it … we’re just not big old meanies.

darwin on August 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Isn’t this playing out just like Vietnam? We have the capability to utterly destroy the Taliban, but won’t use it. The left sides with the enemy and causes discontent and upheaval at home (although they’re kinda quiet now because their buddy Barack is one of them). We announce we pull out and eventually do leaving thousands to be slaughtered by the guys we coulda killed but didn’t because darn it … we’re just not big old meanies.

darwin on August 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM

yup

blatantblue on August 24, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Yes, let’s watch the increasingly-unpopular president fire his second general in a row, this time the respected head of the United States Marine Corps.

I want to see that.

amerpundit on August 24, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Is it his weakness or his Incompetence?

Chip on August 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Both. I think people are seeing the blood in the water. He really does seem to going down the drain.

portlandon on August 24, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Marine Corps commandant: Obama’s withdrawal timetable is giving “sustenance” to the Taliban

Obama does not have a withdrawal timetable for Afghanistan, unless he is keeping it secret. A starting date is not a timetable anymore than the letter *A* is the alphabet.

Tav on August 24, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Oh, and on top of that, let’s see him fire the Marine Corps Commandant for providing an actually-substantive criticism regarding victory in Afghanistan. That should be fun.

amerpundit on August 24, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Obama’s plan,is to make Afghanistan go away,in order for
his 2012 run,to appeal to his Moon,er VoterBotBats!!

canopfor on August 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

He is in the Marine Corpse, what does he know?

Blarg the Destroyer on August 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

In fact, we’ve intercepted communications that say, ‘Hey, you know, we only have to hold out for so long.’”

Well let’s all give the good commandant a nice round of “d’uh”! At least someone in the chain of command is able to grasp this most obvious of all truths.

MJBrutus on August 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

What he said made perfect sense and has been said countless times already.

darwin on August 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

I’m not entirely comfortable with this. I uderstand it and I sort of applaud it, but I feel bad about it.

myrenovations on August 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Several months back, preceding GEN McChrystal’s flap, there was another flag officer in the Pacific Command that publicly voiced an “unpopular” opinion through media channels. In the wake of that, I believe Mr. Gates had a little talk amongst he and the senior officers about these types of “outside the chain of command opinions” as being unhelpful.

ted c on August 24, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Smart power

You’re damn right it’s smart power. If you are a closet Muslim. And the weight of the evidence – for those with the intelligence to look at it – is that he is. Do you really expect him to admit it?

Or you could proceed in the stupid belief that it’s possible for a stupid person to become POTUS.

Obama is not stupid. He is evil.

Basilsbest on August 24, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Obama does not have a withdrawal timetable for Afghanistan, unless he is keeping it secret. A starting date is not a timetable anymore than the letter *A* is the alphabet.

Tav on August 24, 2010 at 5:56 PM

When Bambi signed on for his Afghanistan “son of surge” he agreed to it with the provision that the troops would be drawn down after 18 months. That 18 month commitment to run away is the timetable.

MJBrutus on August 24, 2010 at 6:00 PM

I wonder if Conway’s willing to assume the risk of a reprimand here because he feels that strongly about the policy or because he’s retiring in a few months anyway and wants to do a favor for other officers who’d love to make this point but have too much to lose in doing so.
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If there is another,under da bus,Part Deux,its going to make
Obama,look like an idiot,and,it really isn’t going to help
with troop morale either!!

canopfor on August 24, 2010 at 6:00 PM

I’m not entirely comfortable with this. I uderstand it and I sort of applaud it, but I feel bad about it.

myrenovations on August 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Why? It’s not like Obama felt bad every time someone in the CIA or other executive-controlled agency undermined the Bush Administration with a leak.

amerpundit on August 24, 2010 at 6:01 PM

I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

BTW, Alexis de Tocqueville also said,

No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country. Are you listening, General Petraues?

Tav on August 24, 2010 at 6:02 PM

“I certainly believe that some American units somewhere in Afghanistan will turn over responsibilities to Afghanistan security forces in 2011, I do not think they will be Marines,” he said.

Stow that comment. If the president says so they will.

Ted Torgerson on August 24, 2010 at 6:04 PM

A serious question: Assuming the Taliban and their masters in Pakistani intel have access to western media, they surely have some sense that the war is becoming unpopular in America.
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Exactly right,can you imagine,if this was World War Two,
and Germany had access to the media,thats ongong now,they
wouldn’t need any intelligence!

They could turn on CNN,MSNBC,NBC,ABC,CBS,and get up to the
minute real time info!!!

canopfor on August 24, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Marine Corps meets Obama. It was bound to happen sometime. I’m sure they grimace every time they see his foppish salute have have to return a real one.

Hening on August 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM

I’m going to reprint what I wrote below in the Scarborough/mosque thread. Why? Because giving a timeline for troop withdrawal is on my (by no means exhaustive) list.

IMO, it’s long past time to connect the O’s dots. . .

The mosque stories, all of them are critical as they are unmasking those who are in league with Islam: the politicians, the media stooges and especially O. Shariah creep and stealth jihad run very, very deep. [I find it 'interesting' that Michelle was in Cordoba, Spain, when O made his statement about Cordoba House.]

Investigate the Shariah Index Project sponsored by Rauf and his ‘moderate’ pals, designed to firmly plant shariah as our law of the land.

Investigate the State Department’s web site to see how many mosques our tax dollars are paying for around the globe.

Consider Rauf’s outreach tour in the ME, sent by the State Dept. and paid for by us. Why, just last night in Bahrain he was thanking O for his mosque support.

Consider our tax dollars supporting Kenya’s recent adoption of shariah law under the tutelage of Raila Odinga, O’s cousin, and for whom he campaigned in ‘o6 while a U.S. Senator.

Consider our bailout of AIG, which has instituted ’shariah compliant’ lending practices.

Consider our tax dollars being shipped to Hamas.

Consider our tax dollars paying for foot baths in public universities and for a prayer room in the Pentagon.

Consider O’s lack of concern with Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

Consider O’s decided hostility toward Israel and our traditional western allies.

Consider O’s ties to all those shady characters like Rashid Khalidi, Rev. Wright (a ‘former’ Muslim who obtained a Masters Degree in Islamic studies) – and whose ties to Hamas, Ghadaffi, the Nation of Islam/Farrakhan are notorious, as is his anti-semitic spew which O listened to for 20 years.

Consider O giving a withdrawal date in Afghanistan.

Consider O buzzing NYC with AF1, wanting to give civil trials to the hijackers in NYC, failing to prosecute them when they’ve already pleaded guilty, changing the lexicon in the WOT to excise any mention of Islamic extremists. . .

Oh yes. The mosque stories are critical in educating the public about IOTUS’ plans for us. They only add to the rest of the calamities we face regarding the economy and Etc.

HA, you do us a disservice if you fail to report them.

I’d rather be aware of what I’m facing and identify my enemies. At this point it ain’t lookin’ pretty, that’s for damn sure.

Opinionator on August 24, 2010 at 5:37 PM

Opinionator on August 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Give me just a little more time
And the Afghan’s love for freedom will surely grow
Give me just a little more time
And the Afghan’s love for freedom will surely grow

Ever leaving Afghanistan would be a mistake
Let’s think of how wonderful Islam could be and hesitate
Almost broke and the troops as tired as they may be
But there’s no need for America to act selfishly
If we part Afghanistan, Allah won’t forget it
Years from now he’ll surely make us regret it

You don’t understand how wonderful Islam could be and you’re in a hurry
They’re not eager to reject Sharia but don’t you worry
I’ll win their hearts and minds and then they’ll want the American way of life
But these things don’t come overnight
Don’t give up ‘cos Afghan progress has been oh so slow
We’re surly gonna win their Hearts and Minds if we just even more with courageous restrain go

Cheshire Cat on August 24, 2010 at 6:06 PM

In fact, we’ve intercepted communications that say, ‘Hey, you know, we only have to hold out for so long.’”

Well let’s all give the good commandant a nice round of “d’uh”! At least someone in the chain of command is able to grasp this most obvious of all truths. MJBrutus on August 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

I trust that you are not implying that anyone in uniform does not know this and that it is Dear Leader, VP Bite Me, Speaker Botox, VN Kerry…who are oblivious? Normally, folks in uniform do not point out the idiocy of the Pres et al.

Dingbat63 on August 24, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Bravo to Gen. James Conway – he speaks the truth… Semper Fi…

We’ve long known that Obama is a disgrace; now we know he’s working for the enemy! Obama is a slap in the face to everyone in uniform in our Armed Forces.

IntheNet on August 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM

TRUTH … it is what it is.

tarpon on August 24, 2010 at 6:09 PM

When Bambi signed on for his Afghanistan “son of surge” he agreed to it with the provision that the troops would be drawn down after 18 months. That 18 month commitment to run away is the timetable.

MJBrutus on August 24, 2010 at 6:00 PM

A start date for a “draw down” is NOT a timetable. If you think it is try giving your boss a “timetable” for a project that only has a start date.

Tav on August 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM

This is another reason,not to allow a Liberal President to
prosecute the War On Terror!!!

They will find a way,to F” $%^&*()_+)(*&^% it up!!

Besides,Obama is a Community Organizational Anti-War
Moonbat!!!!

canopfor on August 24, 2010 at 6:11 PM

I cannot imagine the pain this doofus (Obama)is causing military families.

It is beyond despicable to chump our service men & women and their loved ones.

Bruno Strozek on August 24, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Does anyone else get the feeling that people are getting more comfortable with piling on Obama?

[portlandon on August 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM]

Well, certainly in the public sphere.

Is that what you meant or are you alluding to government sphere? I still haven’t seen much in the political Admin sphere and in career government there’s only two sure ones, McChrystal and now Conway. I seem to remember something the past week about MMS wrt the moratorium but I’m not sure it was clearly MMS career people.

Should we start keeping a list?

Oh wait, there was Border Patrol and ICE, too. Any more?

Dusty on August 24, 2010 at 6:12 PM

This whole Afghanistan Islamic Nation Building/Hearts and Minds clusterfark is delusion wrapped in madness wrapped in utter insanity.

Tav on August 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Nice thing about retiring as Commandant, you know when your service period is over. Barry can piss, bitch and cry all he wants. What can he do to Conway at this point? Besides suffer the ‘truth’?

GarandFan on August 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Does anyone else get the feeling that people are getting more comfortable with piling on Obama?

portlandon on August 24, 2010 at 5:46 PM

It’s about damned time. Eighteen months of pussy footing around by most of the public and outright drooling on the part of the MSM is ridiculous.

Unfortunately much of this criticism should have taken place during the campaign. There is no reason for this twit to be in the WH. It’s like some sort of crazy phenomenon that humans engage in, some sort of mania like Tulip Mania. Not the best analogy, but you get my drift.

Heaven help us if we don’t get back to some sort of sanity and soon.

Cody1991 on August 24, 2010 at 6:18 PM

NOvember.

davidk on August 24, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Btw,I don’t hear much of how Obama is aggressively fighting the Taliban,and I think that gauge,is Airstrike Collateral
damage,and it reminds me of Bill Clinton’s UN Meals on Whee
ls Mission in Somolia to grab,AbbiDabbiSkyHook,where C-130
Spectres and armour where denied,where civilian deaths were
priority over the safety of US Military lifes!!
====================================================
Heres an example,

But its been my opinion that the debate over the use of military air strikes in Afghanistan has been broadly useless.

This, in spite of the real importance of the issue for the future of Afghanistan and the battle against the insurgency in particular, impacting, as it does, on many levels – humanitarian, legal, propaganda, media, emotional, military strategic, military tactical, etc…

http://www.sipri.org/blogs/Afghanistan/air-strikes-in-afghanistan-unacceptable-to-say-201cunacceptable201d

canopfor on August 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM

This whole Afghanistan Islamic Nation Building/Hearts and Minds clusterfark is delusion wrapped in madness wrapped in utter insanity.

Tav on August 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM

O/T :
might wanna see this, where our taxpayer money is heading

http://www.berkeleyside.com/2010/08/23/nations-first-muslim-college-opens-today-in-berkeley/

This is the same city which banned the display of US flags in the city after 9-11-01, so as not to hurt the feelings of its residents. This is the same city which if it could, kick the Marine Office outta there based on raw hate for our men and women in uniform.
And the list goes on…

macncheez on August 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM

The Saudi prince whose post-9/11 relief check was rejected by former New York Mayor Rudy Guiliani has found a more willing recipient in the city for his millions: the head of the Ground Zero mosque project.

Tav on August 24, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Tav: Yup,I remember that,and now it will go to the Victory
Mosque,and that plot thickens!!:)

canopfor on August 24, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Isn’t this playing out just like Vietnam? We have the capability to utterly destroy the Taliban, but won’t use it. The left sides with the enemy and causes discontent and upheaval at home (although they’re kinda quiet now because their buddy Barack is one of them). We announce we pull out and eventually do leaving thousands to be slaughtered by the guys we coulda killed but didn’t because darn it … we’re just not big old meanies.

darwin on August 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Yes and no. I think our withdrawal will cause similar results. However, the war itself is very different. In Vietnam you had the VC and the NVA. In Afghanistan you only get the insurgency without an organized enemy government/military. The American military literally destroyed the NVA in every single conventional confrontation. The problem was that U.S. forces were also forced to fight the VC insurgency in South Vietnam. In his book “On Strategy” Harry Summers argues (I believe rightly) that the American forces should not have been used against the VC. The VC insurgency was a internal affair better handled by ARVN.

If Summers was right, that might be the correct path to take in Afghanistan. Let the Afghan forces deal with terrorists and insurgents. The American forces would only provide support against larger organized groups and maybe border security. It is just too hard for the U.S. to fight an insurgency effectively. The biggest problem is that we just cannot do the dirty stuff that must occur to defeat an enemy that looks just like everyone else and refuses to wear a uniform and fight directly. I’m not going to get into the details of what is “dirty,” but it is stuff that has to be done to put fear into the population to stop supporting insurgents and at the same time give people the sense that there is some type of security and order.

ReaganWasRight on August 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Semper Fi General!!!!

the Coondawg on August 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM

O/T :
might wanna see this, where our taxpayer money is heading

macncheez on August 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM

macncheez: The Muslims are using the Liberal Playbook,
er or,is it the other way around,

slow,patient,incrementalism!!:)

canopfor on August 24, 2010 at 6:36 PM

The Muslims are using the Liberal Playbook,
er or,is it the other way around,

canopfor on August 24, 2010 at 6:36 PM

Which ever way, it certainly seems like a very incestuous relationship.

Tav on August 24, 2010 at 6:40 PM

The Muslims are using the Liberal Playbook,
er or,is it the other way around,

slow,patient,incrementalism!!:)

canopfor on August 24, 2010 at 6:36 PM

Maybe the USMC can explain , since they have a long…..really long ..like centuries long historical relations with ….muslims

macncheez on August 24, 2010 at 6:43 PM

Should have bombed from the air, all, along once the Taliban were routed.

Neutron bombs, preferably.

Pakistan “safe areas”, as well.

If you are less serious than your enemy, you lose.

profitsbeard on August 24, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Dingbat63 on August 24, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Sorry if I wasn’t clear, but I was of course referring to the clueless fools on the hill and not the good men and women at the sharp end of the spear.

MJBrutus on August 24, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Semper Fi General.

BKeyser on August 24, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Can Mr. Obama fire another prominent general? If so, how many more? He’s in a tight corner.

Mason on August 24, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Would giving sustenance count as aid or comfort?

agmartin on August 24, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Semper Fi, Commandant!

crash72 on August 24, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Bravo to Gen. James Conway – he speaks the truth… Semper Fi…

IntheNet on August 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Semper Fi General!!!!

the Coondawg on August 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Can’t add to, or improve on that.

listens2glenn on August 24, 2010 at 6:53 PM

“We know the president was talking to several audiences at the same time when he made his comments on July 2011,” Gen. James Conway told reporters on Tuesday. “In some ways, we think right now it’s probably giving our enemy sustenance….In fact, we’ve intercepted communications that say, ‘Hey, you know, we only have to hold out for so long.’”

What???

I am stunned……taken back….this is an absolute surprise.

Who could have guessed that the same people who were 100% wrong when they declared the Iraq war lost….un-winnable….the surge a failure…..and supported anti-war radicals like code pink/answer…..

……would not have a dam# clue on how to win a war.

This is beyond pathetic…..

Yes We Can!!!!

Baxter Greene on August 24, 2010 at 6:55 PM

I’m sorry. Could someone please remind me of the definition of the word, “treason” again?

Please.

Anyone?

oldleprechaun on August 24, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Assuming the Taliban and their masters in Pakistani intel have access to western media,

No need to assume:


Taliban Says It Will Target Names Exposed By Wikileaks…..

http://current.com/news/92577274_taliban-says-it-will-target-names-exposed-by-wikileaks.htm

“Taliban Says It Will Target Names Exposed by WikiLeaks

Militants were alerted to the leaked documents, which reveal details of informants, by news reports.

The U.S. military has already accused WikiLeaks of having “the blood of some young soldier or that of an Afghan family” on its hands after leaking 92,000 classified documents. The Taliban has now confirmed it is poring through the documents, and intends to hunt down and punish any suspected spies named……“.

Our enemies have no problem getting information.

….The Taliban have no reason to negotiate when the leadership of their enemy is constantly stating “We are out of here in a few months.”…..Why should they negotiate with an enemy that is he!! bent on surrendering.

Obama’s domestic failures will only be eclipsed by his international failures.By the time 2012 comes around…there will be no doubt that Obama is an epic failure.

Baxter Greene on August 24, 2010 at 7:06 PM

All hail to the Commander-in-Suck!

BigAlSouth on August 24, 2010 at 7:10 PM

The moron has already declared the day when he will declare defeat. Why not just get out now.

We can go back in after 2012 and clean up the mess again, just like we did in 2002.

In the meantime, why sacrifice any more heros?

notagool on August 24, 2010 at 7:10 PM

Sorry if I wasn’t clear, but I was of course referring to the clueless fools on the hill and not the good men and women at the sharp end of the spear. MJBrutus on August 24, 2010 at 6:48 PM

I thought so but I still apologize for harshness…Dear Leader brings out the worst in me.

Dingbat63 on August 24, 2010 at 7:19 PM

He has intelligence to prove it. Does Obooba want that debated in a court marshall?

Akzed on August 24, 2010 at 7:19 PM

I’m sorry. Could someone please remind me of the definition of the word, “treason” again?

Please.

Anyone?

oldleprechaun on August 24, 2010 at 6:59 PM

OK first of all, lets pronounce it the right way. Its pronounced
‘tre-zone’. You would know if you were some european snotty elite. But since you are not, here is the latest :
tre-zone is a new fragrance by Sheikh Hussain . It smells like goat-droppings in a hot humid indonesian afternoon. It comes in its own recyclable atomizer, made from old ketchup bottles of a certain brand . The cap resembles a shia turban and the contents of the stinker..errr…parfum are all certified halal. The minimum price is only 786 dinaars, or whatever the equivalant amount in other kafir currencies. The sprayer is timed to spray only 5 times a day, facing the mecca. Any other way and the thing won’t work .
Tre-zone , the latest stinker , from the house of Hussain.

macncheez on August 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM

What about Barry’s timetable for leaving office? Now that would give sustenance to our troops.

Christien on August 24, 2010 at 7:34 PM

I have a Vietnam-era friend whose daughter is a medic with a unit of the 173d Airborne Brigade. She wrote to her father that her camp gets mortared every night and that nobody goes outside the wire.

If that is true, we cannot win and might as well pack up and go home.

The only way to win is to patrol outside the camp, find the bad guys and kill them. Your enemy has to understand that you’re meaner, badder, and tougher than they are.

Special Forces Grunt on August 24, 2010 at 7:35 PM

The only way to win is to patrol outside the camp, find the bad guys and kill them. Your enemy has to understand that you’re meaner, badder, and tougher than they are.

Special Forces Grunt on August 24, 2010 at 7:35 PM

…that would be following a Gen. Patton type mentality.

With Obama in the White House…..we are under a Neville Chamberlain mentality.

Baxter Greene on August 24, 2010 at 7:45 PM

“Hey, shut up General and let me just eat my waffle”.

dthorny on August 24, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Semper Fi General. Good on you for having the nads to say it while still on active duty.

Hog Wild on August 24, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Wow. This GEN is born again hard…. Looks like he may be Ranger buddies with GEN McChrystal…

I know heartache AP

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c7bcd94def4a124acf37f2ecca4bd572.c21&show_article=1

ted c on August 24, 2010 at 8:12 PM

I can tell you that an overwhelming majority would like not to be roomed with a person who is openly homosexual,” Conway told a Pentagon press conference.

ted c on August 24, 2010 at 8:13 PM

I am so sick of this ‘hearts and minds’ crap. Did FDR or Harry Truman want to win the ‘hearts and minds’ of the Japanese or German people?

slickwillie2001 on August 24, 2010 at 8:45 PM

We could be there 10 years, 100 years or 1000 years and the day we pull out… the Tali’s will come in and rape the women, boys and goats; kill al the beardless men; site fire to books, kites radios and toilets.

These are ignorant savages, hypnotized by a death cult masquerading as a religion in a friggin twighight zone, corrupt, time warp.

Alden Pyle on August 24, 2010 at 8:47 PM

A serious question: Assuming the Taliban and their masters in Pakistani intel have access to western media, they surely have some sense that the war is becoming unpopular in America. In which case, how important is the July 2011 deadline, really, in boosting their morale?

I can’t see them betting all the marbles on that date, if they have half a clue how Obama’s promises have time limits. And that may well mean only the US military withdraws, not the mercenary companies.

In any case they don’t even need to know about how socially and politically unpopular the permawars are getting…it’s no news that we’re this close to national fiscal collapse.

Dark-Star on August 24, 2010 at 9:09 PM

Opinionator on August 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Really well written. Bravo. Keep those kind of posts coming, maybe Ed and Allah will take the hint.

For example, you said the Rauf was involved in the Sharia Index project. Are they the ones whose paper was posted a couple of days ago on IOwn The World that spelled out their intent to take over the West and the U.S. with their stealth jihad, run out of their mosques? (Also didn’t know that 80% of U.S. mosques are financed and controlled by the Saudis!)

The other thing you mentioned was that Rauf just last night spoke in the middle east, telling his audience of obama’s support for the GZ mosque. Is there print copy of this, or even better some kind of audio? Because it should go viral that Rauf is spreading the word to his fellow muzzies while he is in their foreign lands on our dime, that obama is with them.

tigerlily on August 24, 2010 at 9:16 PM

Taliban memo:

1 The Stupid One withdraws his forces on or about July 31, 2011
2 No major attacks until after Stupid leaves.
3 August 1,2011 launch mass attack.
4 August 2 Capture Kabul.
5 August 3 Victory celebration for capture of Afghanistan.
6 August 4 welcome back party for Osama Bin Ladin.
7 August 5 Plan next attack on New York.

MaiDee on August 24, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Is it his weakness or AND his Incompetence?

Chip on August 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM

FIFY.

antisocial on August 24, 2010 at 9:36 PM

I wonder if Conway’s willing to assume the risk of a reprimand here because he feels that strongly about the policy

I hope so. It’s his guys bleeding and dying out there.

BadgerHawk on August 24, 2010 at 10:21 PM

Hmmmmm.

Personally I’ve been behind the Iraq War because of all the potential positives not the least of which is as an incubator of democracy in the middle east. But I’ve been iffy on Afghanistan and now I’ve frankly lost any appetite for it.

Less about Afghanistan than a general revulsion and anger towards the rest of the muslim world. I’m sick of muslims. I’m sick of Islam. I’m sick of their problems, attitudes and issues. I’m sick of having people who routinely stone women, and young girls too, to death be held up by liberals as examples to be admired. I’m tired of fake-smile Islamists pretending to be moderates. Are there any actual moderates?

I’m sick of having taxpayer money go to fix their problems. I’m tired of America having to wipe everyone’s ass and then having people give us shit about it.

For me the pendulum has swung the other way in full. I’m very much in favor of isolation and telling the rest of the world to go make their beds because the Chinese will be along shortly and they don’t use lube.

memomachine on August 24, 2010 at 10:36 PM

I’m very much in favor of isolation and telling the rest of the world to go make their beds because the Chinese will be along shortly and they don’t use lube.

memomachine on August 24, 2010 at 10:36 PM

+1. Let the Chi-Coms have a go at them. They’ll either become the third empire to go there and die, or the score will finally become 2-1 for outsiders.

Whichever happens will surely be no skin off our noses; and that’s the most we should be giving in Asscrackistan.

Dark-Star on August 24, 2010 at 11:15 PM

tigerlily on August 24, 2010 at 9:16 PM

Many thanks for your kind words.

I found information on the Shariah Index Project via a link provided in comments at gatewaypundit. . .and traced it back to the original report posted at Andrew Breitbart’s bigpeace.com, titled: Ground Zero Mosque’s Hidden Websites: Follow the Shariah. I haven’t had time to read all the pdf’s yet but here’s the article.

Yes, the Saudies are primary mosque funders (in the wahhabist tradition) in the U.S. As alarming are the ties between the Saudi Prince (whose money Guilliani rejected) and the money he’s already donated to the mosque project. This is the same Prince Alwaleed bin Talal who owns 7% of Fox News’ corporate owner News Corps, and his holdings are second only to the Murdoch family. Guilliani rejected that 10 mil because the Prince spoke of Muslim blood being on U.S. hands; a comment similar to that made by ‘moderate’ Imam Rauf.

The information regarding Rauf’s comments in Bahrain were reported at freerepublic.com:

“I am grateful to President Barack Obama and all those who expressed support for our project,” Abdul Rauf said at a dinner for student leaders in the Gulf state of Bahrain. the Gulf Daily News in Bahrain reported.

Liz Cheney just gave this direct quote on The Factor. Woohoo. It’s out there now.

Opinionator on August 25, 2010 at 12:51 AM

Now Liz just showed the Conway video. . . bravo again.

And thank you, Commandant Conway, sir!

Opinionator on August 25, 2010 at 12:59 AM

I just look at our foreign policy as one that’s run by a secret Muslim. It’s all smoke and mirrors from that angle. Just ask any Israeli….

adamsmith on August 25, 2010 at 7:49 AM

A couple of thoughts;

Yes, it has to be a major factor that Gen Conway is retiring soon and his successor has already been named. It has given him some freedom, although it is interesting that he chose to speak while still in uniform.

No kidding that it’s a benefit to your enemies when you announce a fixed date for withdrawal regardless of circumstances. Even the dimmest bulb should be able to understand that.

Sec Gates has been taking some heavy shots at the Marine Corps and the Navy lately. In particular questioning the future utility of the Corps and its size and equipment requirements. He is setting the stage for personnel and program cuts. This may be Gen Conway shooting back without directly addressing that issue.

Rumor has it that the next CMC was selected over the objections of the current CMC and the senior Marine leadership. He was not on their short list. Further rumor is that he was selected because he is willing to roll and support the repeal of DADT and personnel and program cuts. All of which are opposed by the current CMC and vast majority of the Marine Corps.

SoonerMarine on August 25, 2010 at 8:18 AM

Obama/Gates are considering eliminating the Marine Corps and made it public, in the name of efficiency.

If our Military needs that efficiency, then make the Army, Navy and Air Force part of the original American military force, The Marines.

maverick muse on August 25, 2010 at 11:34 AM