Dick Armey to GOP: Why don’t you have the guts to support Paul Ryan’s roadmap?

posted at 4:30 pm on August 22, 2010 by Allahpundit

A sizzlin’ piece of red meat for a slow Sunday afternoon. Things start to pick up halfway through the clip, but I recommend watching the whole thing lest you miss Granholm’s ode to government intervention and insistence that cutting spending so that we don’t have to keep borrowing from foreign creditors is somehow … playing right into China’s hands. Note also that she’s the one who brings up Ryan, not Armey; Gregory’s question has to do with tea-party candidates being out of the mainstream and she leaps from that to an attack on the roadmap. Partly that’s because Dems are in panic mode about losing seniors’ votes and figure that distorting Ryan’s plan is the best way to spook them into voting blue this fall. But as I’ve said before, part of it is also a function of Ryan being a serious policy thinker who’s not given to the sort of rhetorical excess that lends itself to the left’s “all conservatives are kooks” message. If they want to take him down, they’ll have to do it with guilt by association. Which is why he keeps making these surprise cameos in their Sharron Angle/Rand Paul messaging.

As for Armey, who offers a welcome defense of Ryan, two things. One: I’d be remiss if I didn’t note that he’s mistaken about Alvin Greene. America’s candidate has been indicted on a felony charge but not (yet) convicted. (Or is he referring to someone else?) Second, I wonder how much support there’d be even on the right for the congressional GOP deciding to suddenly rally behind Ryan’s roadmap. I figure most tea partiers would love it as a show of fiscal conservative principle; centrists, who are loath to tinker with Social Security and Medicare, would likely freak out; and a third faction in the middle would welcome the move from a policy standpoint but would panic at the thought of Republicans handing the Dems a major opportunity to change the subject when they’re on the ropes. But then, that’s the problem with entitlements writ large, isn’t it? Everyone agrees that we need to talk about them — just not right now, when it’s politically inconvenient. Someday.

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Everyone agrees that we need to talk about them — just not right now, when it’s politically inconvenient. Someday.

Chris Christie says, “Cowards.”

lorien1973 on August 22, 2010 at 4:32 PM

“[W]e have watched American public policy dominated by Democrats that don’t care and Republicans that don’t dare.”

…..

And that won’t change significantly after Nov 2.

artist on August 22, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Why isn’t this guy our chairman?

cynccook on August 22, 2010 at 4:33 PM

People want to be treated like adults. Politicians underestimate that, because they want us to be children.

lorien1973 on August 22, 2010 at 4:33 PM

I can see the RINO’s that remain after the November carnage trying to distance themselves from any idea that they’ve been handed a mandate.

Maybe that’s just an observation based on the current GOP lineup, but it’s still telling and I fully expect to see it.

They’ll have no answer for the Dems’ “The GOP wants to take away your healthcare” montra.

Akzed on August 22, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Granholm’s ode to government intervention and insistence that cutting spending so that we don’t have to keep borrowing from foreign creditors is somehow … playing right into China’s hands.

You can’t out-stupid a liberal.

abobo on August 22, 2010 at 4:37 PM

we are doomed.

billy on August 22, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Granholm has sped the collapse of MI and the Dems put her out as a spokeswoman.

They truly want to nationalize failure.

artist on August 22, 2010 at 4:39 PM

I totally agree with Armey.

HellCat on August 22, 2010 at 4:39 PM

we are doomed.

billy on August 22, 2010 at 4:38 PM

The car has already driven over the cliff. It’s on its way down and the D’s and R’s are fighting over the keys.

artist on August 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Re Social Security and Medicare, we have a NEW third rail in American politics, and it’s federal government employee salaries and pensions and benefits.

We should ‘haircut’ lavish pensions for already retired federal employees before we should touch Social Security benefits, because SS was PAID FOR by the beneficiaries, unlike federal employee pensions.

We need a 10% cut in all federal salaries over $50K/yr, a salary freeze after that, and an end to bonuses until the deficit is gone. Then rework the pension formula so it is more in line with private industry.

slickwillie2001 on August 22, 2010 at 4:47 PM

we are doomed.

billy on August 22, 2010 at 4:38 PM

How inspirational!

AsianGirlInTights on August 22, 2010 at 4:47 PM

So I’m not the only one who feels completely disconnected from the major parties.

billy on August 22, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Keep your pants on, folks!

In a few weeks, all the primaries will be over. At this point, it should become clearer what November is likely to look like. When we know what November looks like, there will be a “how” to associate with Ryan’s “what.”

Sekhmet on August 22, 2010 at 4:51 PM

OK kiddies, I shall hazard a guess. Ryan’s plan is not part of the real corrupt process which comprises the legislative activity of our government.

Now you tell me where you have been for the last 50 years.

IlikedAUH2O on August 22, 2010 at 4:51 PM

I’m surprised she attacked Paul Ryan in front of Armey. Doesn’t she know that Dick Armey is one of the few people to have served in Congress who actually has an economics background and would understand what Ryan has been talking about?

INC on August 22, 2010 at 4:51 PM

The only way to save social security is a robust and growing economy where people can find good jobs at fair wages. An economy where people have the freedom to accumulate assets and save for retirement. Where health insurance is for catastrophic coverage not comprehensive coverage.

So when you are too old, or in firmed to work you have a lifetime of savings, and freely available health care, and you don’t need social security.

As long as politicians continue to buy votes with free cheese (money), and as long as voters continue to sell their freedom for that free money, this problem will never be solved.

Skandia Recluse on August 22, 2010 at 4:53 PM

I would wager that almost no one actually has bothered to read Paul Ryan’s Roadmap. The simple fact of the matter is that the government confiscates money for FICA from every paycheck in this country every time one is issued. They take it whether you like it or not with the promise that it will be invested for your retirement. Guess what the average return on that investment is? Currently between 1 and 2%. Future generations can expect less than 1%. Get it? All the Roadmap is saying re Social Security is, let’s give people the OPTION of exploring more efficient ways of investing while still guaranteeing the safety of those funds withheld for retirement! They’re going to confiscate the money anyway. The question is: who’s better at investing for retirement? The federal government (great track record there) or individuals? (And even then, the proposal states that under this voluntary plan, individuals would choose from “…a list of managed investment funds approved by the government for soundness and safety.”) Most people don’t remember all the sound and fury that erupted when 401ks were first introduced as an alternative to traditional company-run pension funds. Well, believe me, lots of people (like my Dad) have seen the pension funds they paid into for decades dwindle away to nothing.
If you haven’t read Ryan’s proposal, I seriously urge you to do so. It’s written in very easy to understand language. I honestly believe that if more people took the time to even skim through the Roadmap, they’d be demanding that it be instituted.

cynccook on August 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM

If you watched Granholm bragged about the gov’t funding research so we could have battery technology, but she failed to say that the Volts batteries are made in Korea. She also claimed the states were incubators, if thats what Michigan is it is a total fail and not good for the rest of us.

tim c on August 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM

As long as politicians continue to buy votes with free cheese (money), and as long as voters continue to sell their freedom for that free money, this problem will never be solved.

Skandia Recluse on August 22, 2010 at 4:53 PM

People are too stupid to understand this.

ladyingray on August 22, 2010 at 4:55 PM

“[W]e have watched American public policy dominated by Democrats that don’t care and Republicans that don’t dare.”

What an accurate and succinct summary.

Phil Gramm was the other guy in Congress (Senator) with an economics background.

Armey and Gramm both had Ph.D.s in economics.

INC on August 22, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Everyone agrees that we need to talk about them — just not right now, when it’s politically inconvenient. Someday.

Confucius say – If you shoot for the stars and hit the moon, that’s alright, but you have to shoot. These people don’t even shoot.

Patton say – Lead me, follow me or get the Hell out of my way!

Tav on August 22, 2010 at 4:55 PM

AsianGirlInTights
Your handle is quite inspirational, but as far as the future of my country goes….I’m sadden.

billy on August 22, 2010 at 4:57 PM

AsianGirlInTights
Your handle is quite inspirational, but as far as the future of my country goes….I’m sadden.

billy on August 22, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Well, buck up, billy boy. Not everyone is willing to let it go without a fight.

cynccook on August 22, 2010 at 4:58 PM

And to those who think one election will do it — HAHA

These people hang onto their seats in the politburo more than anything else in their lives. We will have to drag them all out.

tarpon on August 22, 2010 at 4:58 PM

we are doomed.

billy on August 22, 2010 at 4:38 PM

The car has already driven over the cliff. It’s on its way down and the D’s and R’s are fighting over the keys.

artist on August 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM

I sure don’t mind being told the truth and I’s am as cynical as the next person but we get enough pessimism and and negativity from the media and the democrats. Lighten up and look for a positive aspect to work toward.

It does require work and not fatalism.

Vince on August 22, 2010 at 4:59 PM

I’ll admit that Paul Ryan has some great ideas. But democrats say we don’t have ideas.

Army is right to call the Republicans spineless, and this is a big problem why I will not contribute to the GOP as a whole, but to individual candidates that will stand up.

Time for talk is over, it’s time for action.

Kini on August 22, 2010 at 4:59 PM

Democrats as usual playing the politics of fear and racism.

William Amos on August 22, 2010 at 4:59 PM

Well, Ryan’s my favorite for the Presidency in 2012 and/or Palin but for different reasons, obviously. I’ll vote for every candidate who isn’t a Democrat, let me put it that way, and support if I have my druthers, the people among the GOP/Right who I think can handle the Presidency and lead our nation well (so, Ryan for some reasons, Palin for other reasons).

I have my questions about Armey based upon HIS positions (amnesty among his most offensive ideas) but I do like Paul Ryan. I think Ryan’s “braininess” is off-putting to some voters, however, unfortunately, who are voting with their emotions bent on Palin more than anything.

Which does not mean (what I just wrote) that emotional fervor about Palin is anything ‘bad’ just that it seems to counter if not reject Ryan’s rather unemotional and intellectual abilities.

Lourdes on August 22, 2010 at 5:00 PM

He is right about the calcified dinosaurs on the right. Think McConnell.

She talking about “democracy”…she destroyed more of it than just about anyone, short of Obama.

Schadenfreude on August 22, 2010 at 5:00 PM

It doesn’t show up in the clip I guess but earlier David Gregory was waving the Ryan Plan around like it was a Republican pact with the Devil. I wonder why he wasn’t waving the Democrat’s budget around when questioning Granholme :-|

motionview on August 22, 2010 at 5:00 PM

I wonder why he wasn’t waving the Democrat’s budget around when questioning Granholme :-|

They don’t have one.

Vince on August 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM

“[W]e have watched American public policy dominated by Democrats that don’t care and Republicans that don’t dare.”

What an accurate and succinct summary.

Phil Gramm was the other guy in Congress (Senator) with an economics background.

Armey and Gramm both had Ph.D.s in economics.

INC on August 22, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Except the problem with economists is that every one of them has a different theory and disagrees with most of the rest. Geitner has an economics degree, yes? Just saying, it’s not necessarily going to produce good ethics nor sound reasoning in a person, if Geitner can be used as an example.

Lourdes on August 22, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Dick Armey to GOP: Why don’t you have the guts to grab the Third Rail? Committing mass political suicide isn’t courageous, it’s stupid.

year_of_the_dingo on August 22, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Republicans are WIMPs — Weak Intimidated Mousy Politicians.

As for the governor of Michigan, she makes me puke.

Ricohoc on August 22, 2010 at 5:08 PM

We will have to drag them all out.

tarpon on August 22, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Hunt for these people
Comb the city, every street, every grate
You put a guard at every gate
Drag them out, shout the moment that you find them!
Daam!

Knock in the doors, lock up the city
Track them down through this town
And be quick about it…now!

How the devil do we ever prevail when we’re only woman and man?
But we’ll never be duped by these scurrilous Rhinos again!

Yes, the weak will cower while the fittest will survive
If we wait for the darkest hour
Till we spring alive
Then with claws of fire, we devour them like a falcon in the dive!

PercyB on August 22, 2010 at 5:09 PM

I’d be happy if, for one or two round of elections, we could get more people into office who were NOT: (1.) attorneys and/or (2.) “experts” on anything.

Just elect people with practical experience, reasonably sound lives who enjoy what they’re doing when they interact with the general population. I’m rather worn out listening to the alleged “Big Brains” who wreck just about everything when they are outside their charts and journals.

Lourdes on August 22, 2010 at 5:09 PM

It might have something to do with the reaction people had to Bush’s attempts to reform social security. I supported it, but I was disgusted by how it was mischaracterized by the media and the Democrats. But then again, in time the GOP might well come together behind the roadmap. We shall see.

Terrye on August 22, 2010 at 5:09 PM

“[W]e have watched American public policy dominated by Democrats that don’t care and Republicans that don’t dare.”

What an accurate and succinct summary.

INC on August 22, 2010 at 4:55 PM

I picked up on that also. If we are really serious about taking back the government from socialist liberal democrats, then the GOP needs to grow a pair.

Ryan’s ideas are by far the best on the plate, with more discussions, those ideas can be honed into real policy.

Kini on August 22, 2010 at 5:10 PM

I wonder why he wasn’t waving the Democrat’s budget around when questioning Granholme :-|

motionview on August 22, 2010 at 5:00 PM

You mean the budget that doesn’t exist?

powerpro on August 22, 2010 at 5:10 PM

It does require work and not fatalism.

Vince on August 22, 2010 at 4:59 PM

You’re right.
I live in a deeply red state and I still see a fatalistic view towards Obama’s socialism. What does it take to turn this around?

billy on August 22, 2010 at 5:11 PM

if Geitner can be used as an example.

Lourdes on August 22, 2010 at 5:06 PM

He doesn’t know how to use Turbo-Tax….

What more do you want to know?

Kini on August 22, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Why don’t you have the guts to support Paul Ryan’s roadmap?

Why anyone follow someone who wants bailouts?

Notorious GOP on August 22, 2010 at 5:13 PM

I’m getting close to Social Security, I can live with putting it off to help. But does that change it from being a ponzi scheme?

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2010 at 5:14 PM

She talking about “democracy”…she destroyed more of it than just about anyone, short of Obama.

Schadenfreude on August 22, 2010 at 5:00 PM

To which Michigan will be an economic dead zone for many years after.

GM is putting an IPO up for sale, who’s buying? Not me.
They, the Obama and chumps, screwed the bond holders once before, what’s to say they won’t again?

It’s the unions running that company, not entrepreneurship.

Kini on August 22, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Cindy Munford on August 22, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Social Security

Social – yes
Security – not

Kini on August 22, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Why anyone follow someone who wants bailouts?

Notorious GOP on August 22, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Sigh. Seriously? That’s how you dismiss someone with ideas that might just salvage this nation’s future? Wow. Read this and see if it makes you feel any better… http://dailycaller.com/2010/02/14/paul-ryan-explains-his-votes-for-tarp-auto-bailouts-and-tax-on-aig-bonuses/

cynccook on August 22, 2010 at 5:19 PM

I sure don’t mind being told the truth and I’s am as cynical as the next person but we get enough pessimism and and negativity from the media and the democrats. Lighten up and look for a positive aspect to work toward.

It does require work and not fatalism.

Vince on August 22, 2010 at 4:59 PM

On the contrary, liberals and the democrats are the masters of foolish and unwarranted optimism – the optimism that with a little ‘can-do’ spirit, they really can stimulate the economy by centrally planned stimulus programs, that massive entitlement programs that are on the track to bankruptcy will magically fix themselves if we just ignore the problems, that borrowing money we don’t have to subsidize inefficient ‘green’ energy programs will somehow strengthen the economy, and on and on and on.

A central tenet of traditional conservatism is to dispense with wishful theorizing and take a hard look at reality as it stands. And from where I’m sitting, looking at the problems we face and the political climate we’re in, if we’re not completely doomed we’re at least in really big trouble. Even if everything that needs to be done to right the ship of state somehow got done, it would entail making large changes to how society is structured very quickly, in a jarring, inorganic way. Burke tells us that that’s never healthy for society. So we face a terrible disease and a deeply unpleasant cure – and that’s not pessimism, that’s realism.

Inkblots on August 22, 2010 at 5:20 PM

we are doomed.

billy on August 22, 2010 at 4:38 PM

We aren’t doomed. Western civilization is but we aren’t. What you see in the commenters are the stages of grief. Most haven’t gotten past the denial, but others have moved on to anger. Civilizations have a life cycle same as everything else, and were in the twilight of western civilization, and you can’t fight that anymore than you can fight the changing of the seasons. Winter is coming and the smart ones are getting ready.

DFCtomm on August 22, 2010 at 5:23 PM

What perfect timing…

milemarker2020 on August 22, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Palin and Roadmap

milemarker2020 on August 22, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Who’s Paul Ryan?

Ron Paul 2012.

Spathi on August 22, 2010 at 5:27 PM

One: I’d be remiss if I didn’t note that he’s mistaken about Alvin Greene. America’s candidate has been indicted on a felony charge but not (yet) convicted.

Armey shot his credibility. When I heard him say that this morning, I thought, “You dumbf***, you just gave libtards an excuse to tune you out.”

Armey engaged in hyperbole, didn’t know his facts, or was sloppy in his oral delivery–whatever the explanation, it didn’t serve him or conservatives well.

Armey may have a Ph.D. in economics, but I wish conservatives had more polished people to put on these Sunday shows. Watching Armey made me wonder, “Why are we recylcling this guy.” Conservatives ought to be able to destroy nitwits like Granholm, but all too often they’re allowed to come across as halfway thoughtful when they should be exposed as the frauds that they are.

Fault him if you will–and he’s recycled as well–but if you can’t find any current legislator in DC at this time of year, I’d much rather listen to Gingrich. He’s smart and polished, and he would have crushed Granholm–something I would have enjoyed.

BuckeyeSam on August 22, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Granholm is the face of the modern lib/dem party…airhead but staunchly Marxist.

d1carter on August 22, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Gawd… Open ya eyes an learn from the Obama election and administration. He won cause he didn’t get trapped in particulars. He campaigned on platitudes and generalities. (have you already forgotten hope and change). He didn’t give his opponents any ammunition. He has numbers in the toilet now, because to govern you need to turn platitudes into particulars. Although he even tries to skirt this(have you not noticed that the only time Barry gets a fingerprint on a piece of legislation is when he signs it) and has a willing accomplish in the MSM. That’s how you get elected today. Because that’s what the public is buying.

Ya ain’t gonna be able to restore American’s Freedom via a ballot box unless you get elected first.

roflmao

donabernathy on August 22, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Chris Christie says, “Cowards.”

Christie is a coward. That’s why he’s being such a mealy-mouthed sissy on the GZ mosque, that’s why he’s revealed himself as an amnesty shill, and suddenly backed off when the heat suddenly got turned up on his ass.

As for the rest, where’s the controversy?

Medicare is socialized medicine, and should be replaced with a free market solution.

Social security is socialist bullcrap that needs to be privatized, giving the people control over their own retirement, how much money they’ll have in retirement (or in the event of disability), and the disposition of that money, in the event of their death.

Minimum wage laws are, really, un-Constitutional, seeing as to how the Constitution doesn’t give Congress the power to order people to pay people anything. Minimum wage imposes hardships on businesses big and small, and gives them no recourse, with the exception of firing other workers and paring back their workforce, in order to pay government-dictated wages (see, this is an instance where the government does tell people how much they’ll get paid, and see how well that’s working out?). If the government wants involvement in that, then they should be there with the intent of making things easier, not more difficult and trying to ‘stick it to the man’.

Birthright citizenship is outright garbage, and the Constitution of the United States clearly states that you can’t just illegally enter the country and crap out kids, then call them Americans, so you can collect benefits. If you’re born to Americans, then you should be an American. The slaves were Americanized by Congress, hence their children and descendants that were born here are American, just like they are.

The progressive tax is nothing more than socialism at it’s worst. As a patron saint of the democratic party said: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” If the liberals were so interested in fairness (which they aren’t; they thrive on strife, class warfare, racial hatred, etc.), they’d want a flat, equal tax.

All you need to be a democrat bureaucrat is a promise of handouts. Granholm? A disingenuous, dishonest, lying bitch. The lion’s share of Michigan’s problems are directly her fault. She cares about what creates jobs? Then why does she constantly enact policies (especially in terms of state taxes) that drive business out of the state, turning Michigan into a hostile work environment for virtually everyone that comes here? I’d bet that if she were up for another term, she wouldn’t be back in Lansing. Unfortunately, Granholm and her accursed brood live right down the street from me, and once she’s given the boot out of the state capital, this year, she’ll be right back down the street causing trouble, just like a typical, good, low-life Canadian leftist. Then the scumbag has the nerve to talk about ‘if you care about’ democracy and listening to/empowering citizens?! When has that stupid Canadian ever listened to anyone else in Michigan? All she’s done for 8 years is whine, run the state’s economy into the ground, finger-point (Bush’s fault, the GOP’s fault, etc.) and crap-talk. Even the liberals are sick and tired of her, and want her gone so bad, they can taste it. “This is a compact between generations”? Granholm is a leftist idiot and ideologue, unable to look past her Canadian leftist stupidity, and completely disinterested in anything other than instituting generational poverty, much like in Europe (a place she wants to emulate with every fiber of her cursed being). I wish she’d be deported back to that damnable state (Canada), and never return. While I’m no Armey booster, I certainly can say he’s a better man, than I am, sitting that close to Granholm. I certainly wouldn’t want to.

Virus-X on August 22, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Chris Christie says, “Cowards.”

Christie is a coward. That’s why he’s being such a mealy-mouthed sissy on the GZ mosque, that’s why he’s revealed himself as an amnesty shill, and suddenly backed off when the heat suddenly got turned up on his ass.

As for the rest, where’s the controversy?

Medicare is socialized medicine, and should be replaced with a free market solution.

Social security is socialist bullcrap that needs to be privatized, giving the people control over their own retirement, how much money they’ll have in retirement (or in the event of disability), and the disposition of that money, in the event of their death.

Minimum wage laws are, really, un-Constitutional, seeing as to how the Constitution doesn’t give Congress the power to order people to pay people anything. Minimum wage imposes hardships on businesses big and small, and gives them no recourse, with the exception of firing other workers and paring back their workforce, in order to pay government-dictated wages (see, this is an instance where the government does tell people how much they’ll get paid, and see how well that’s working out?). If the government wants involvement in that, then they should be there with the intent of making things easier, not more difficult and trying to ‘stick it to the man’.

Birthright citizenship is outright garbage, and the Constitution of the United States clearly states that you can’t just illegally enter the country and crap out kids, then call them Americans, so you can collect benefits. If you’re born to Americans, then you should be an American. The slaves were Americanized by Congress, hence their children and descendants that were born here are American, just like they are.

The progressive tax is nothing more than socialism at it’s worst. As a patron saint of the democratic party said: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” If the liberals were so interested in fairness (which they aren’t; they thrive on strife, class warfare, racial hatred, etc.), they’d want a flat, equal tax.

All you need to be a democrat bureaucrat is a promise of handouts. Granholm? A disingenuous, dishonest, lying punk. The lion’s share of Michigan’s problems are directly her fault. She cares about what creates jobs? Then why does she constantly enact policies (especially in terms of state taxes) that drive business out of the state, turning Michigan into a hostile work environment for virtually everyone that comes here? I’d bet that if she were up for another term, she wouldn’t be back in Lansing. Unfortunately, Granholm and her accursed brood live right down the street from me, and once she’s given the boot out of the state capital, this year, she’ll be right back down the street causing trouble, just like a typical, good, low-life Canadian leftist. Then the scumbag has the nerve to talk about ‘if you care about’ democracy and listening to/empowering citizens?! When has that stupid Canadian ever listened to anyone else in Michigan? All she’s done for 8 years is whine, run the state’s economy into the ground, finger-point (Bush’s fault, the GOP’s fault, etc.) and crap-talk. Even the liberals are sick and tired of her, and want her gone so bad, they can taste it. “This is a compact between generations”? Granholm is a leftist idiot and ideologue, unable to look past her Canadian leftist stupidity, and completely disinterested in anything other than instituting generational poverty, much like in Europe (a place she wants to emulate with every fiber of her cursed being). I wish she’d be deported back to that damnable state (Canada), and never return. While I’m no Armey booster, I certainly can say he’s a better man, than I am, sitting that close to Granholm. I certainly wouldn’t want to.

Virus-X on August 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM

I’d much rather listen to Gingrich.

BuckeyeSam on August 22, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Two works about Gingrich

Dierdre Scozzafava

Kini on August 22, 2010 at 5:32 PM

I couldn’t take Granholm. That girl believes in herself way too much and Armey was getting to her pretty well. She went to Harvard in case she didn’t tell you already.

JAW on August 22, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Ron Paul 2012.

Spathi on August 22, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Retreated into fantasy land I guess.

AsianGirlInTights on August 22, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Paul Ryan’s “roadmap” should be named …

“Paul Ryan’s ‘Slower Accelerator’ ”

For the last century we’ve been damned with two choices – one party that wants to put the nation into bankruptcy quickly – and one that wants to go a bit slower about it.

Frankly – I’ll take the faster method because the sooner we hit rock bottom – the faster we can pick up the pieces and rebuild.

Going “slower” towards bankruptcy – is worse. Sure, we can stay afloat for another generation – but is the entitlement mentality by then going to be better, or worse than it is now? I submit it will be worse – and our kids will not be able to resolve the crisis peacefully.

We have to come to grips with Government … and it’s too late to do that with “baby steps” or “low measures” – it will take a peaceable, yet energetic rev0luti0n in the political and educational realms …

Thomas Paine …

I draw my idea of the form of government from a principle in nature, which no art can overturn, viz that the more simple any thing is, the less liable it is to be disordered, and the easier repaired when disordered.

The founders saw government as a necessary evil – they used that very term to describe government! They believed that the role of government was strictly FREEDOM and SECURITY. We now have a government that is restricting our freedom by taking our property for confusing reasons and redistributing it to others. And as far as security – how would our government score on that account? Especially since it would rather sue a state than secure it’s borders?

Paul Ryan’s roadmap doesn’t fix this – NONE of this!

HondaV65 on August 22, 2010 at 5:36 PM

If Ryan is serous about his roadmap he needs to run for the presidency in 2012 instead of hoping someone else takes it up and chooses him for VP.

cpaulus on August 22, 2010 at 5:38 PM

We aren’t doomed. Western civilization is but we aren’t. What you see in the commenters are the stages of grief. Most haven’t gotten past the denial, but others have moved on to anger. Civilizations have a life cycle same as everything else, and were in the twilight of western civilization, and you can’t fight that anymore than you can fight the changing of the seasons. Winter is coming and the smart ones are getting ready.

DFCtomm on August 22, 2010 at 5:23 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/25/conservatives-outnumber-l_n_625658.html
http://www.gallup.com/poll/141032/2010-Conservatives-Outnumber-Moderates-Liberals.aspx

Look. Conservatives need to view the Obama administration for what it is: an innoculation. His administration has caused people to become engaged in politics in a way I have never seen before. Like any vaccine, the patient may suffer a few mild symptoms of the disease, but in a far milder form than if they had not been vaccinated in the first place. I believe that in retrospect, Obama’s election will be viewed as a tipping point in American politics: the moment America pulled back from the onward march toward liberalism, at least for a time. This is not the time to give up. Quite the opposite. People need to get more involved in order to capitalize on this shift. Elections are just around the corner. Find a local candidate you can support and make some phone calls, knock on some doors. Even letting them put up a yard sign can help.

cynccook on August 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM

I posted this video in the wrong thread ..So I will put it in this one..It belongs here..:)..The Tea Party fights back..WE THE PEOPLE

Dire Straits on August 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM

I wish Dick Armey had cited some states that are not relying on federal government “largesse”, which relies essentially on an expansion on federal taxation, in order to counter Granholm’s ridiculous example. How much did that federal government’s infusion into the battery businesses translate into real jobs and at what price per job?

If Armey would have mentioned some states that are flourishing without excessive taxation and regulation to make his point, he would have confounded Granholm with her talking points.

onlineanalyst on August 22, 2010 at 5:40 PM

If Ryan is serous about his roadmap he needs to run for the presidency in 2012 instead of hoping someone else takes it up and chooses him for VP.

cpaulus on August 22, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Ryan is a congressman. Not a senator. He knows that the MSM and DNC would rip him apart for his lack of executive experience. He knows he can do more good right now in the Congress. Overreaching would just squander his political capital and destroy his credibility. He’s doing plenty of good where he is for the moment.

cynccook on August 22, 2010 at 5:41 PM

Ron Paul 2012.

Spathi on August 22, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Retreated into fantasy land I guess.

AsianGirlInTights on August 22, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Might as well put Alex Jones on the same ticket to loonyville.

Fantasy Politics.

Kini on August 22, 2010 at 5:41 PM

I posted this video in the wrong thread ..So I will put it in this one..It belongs here..:)..The Tea Party fights back..WE THE PEOPLE
Dire Straits on August 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Sorry..this just isn’t my day..trying again..The Tea Party fights back..WE THE PEOPLE!..:)

Dire Straits on August 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM

HondaV65 on August 22, 2010 at 5:36 PM

You haven’t read one word of Paul Ryan’s proposal, have you?

cynccook on August 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Paul Ryan’s roadmap doesn’t fix this – NONE of this!

HondaV65 on August 22, 2010 at 5:36 PM

The fast track to destruction, doesn’t guarantee resurrection.
Unless we change the entire tax code, then this madness will continue.

Kini on August 22, 2010 at 5:46 PM

I can’t even watch the video. Every time I see her, I just have this desire to lance that thing on her face.

ButterflyDragon on August 22, 2010 at 5:51 PM

He knows that the MSM and DNC would rip him apart for his lack of executive experience.

cynccook on August 22, 2010 at 5:41 PM

That’s where the fight starts. By ripping the MSM.

There’s enough social media, facebook, twitter, ad nauseam, to create a new media. Except for AP @ HA, who watches the MSM?

When we poo-poo ideas, especially from kooks like Ron Paul, then we cannot take ideas like Ryan’s seriously, or even as a baseline for development into real policy.

Baby steps and giant leaps are not good policies. Weaning off the teet of government takes time. A culture of dependence, needs to learn independence.

Government supplied Depends, only fills the landfill with more trash.

Kini on August 22, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Dick Armey is a big supporter of open borders and amnesty.

Jon0815 on August 22, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Virus-X on August 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Wow!

Lourdes on August 22, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Dick Armey is a big supporter of open borders and amnesty.

Jon0815 on August 22, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Yep. Big mark against his credibility that reads, “wrong”.

Lourdes on August 22, 2010 at 6:01 PM

We aren’t doomed. Western civilization is but we aren’t. What you see in the commenters are the stages of grief. Most haven’t gotten past the denial, but others have moved on to anger. Civilizations have a life cycle same as everything else, and were in the twilight of western civilization, and you can’t fight that anymore than you can fight the changing of the seasons. Winter is coming and the smart ones are getting ready.

DFCtomm on August 22, 2010 at 5:23 PM

I agree wholly with this assessment – however … I maintain that fighting for Western Civilization’s survival is still a necessary thing if for no other reason than … the fight will influence what comes after.

HondaV65 on August 22, 2010 at 6:01 PM

The Tea Party fights back..WE THE PEOPLE!..:)

Dire Straits on August 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM

They had me until they quoted Wilson.

But over all, +99%!

Kini on August 22, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Granholm should never talk about polling statistics and the will of the people.

Look what happened when you conflate the two: it’s called the Michigan Democratic Primary in 2008, and the DNC Rules and Bylaws committee.

Make her answer to that before she talks about her party’s lofty rhetoric of “listening to the will of the people.”

lansing quaker on August 22, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Birthright citizenship is outright garbage, and the Constitution of the United States clearly states that you can’t just illegally enter the country and crap out kids, then call them Americans, so you can collect benefits.

Virus-X on August 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Where does it state that?

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2010 at 6:09 PM

That’s how you dismiss someone with ideas that might just salvage this nation’s future? Wow. Read this and see if it makes you feel any better… http://dailycaller.com/2010/02/14/paul-ryan-explains-his-votes-for-tarp-auto-bailouts-and-tax-on-aig-bonuses/

cynccook on August 22, 2010 at 5:19 PM

So we’re supposed to feel better knowing that Paul Ryan is a “pragmatic” sellout? Dude, he voted on a FEDERAL tarp bill; a FEDERAL stimulus. We all get hosed, and all we can get by way of explanation is why Paul Ryan thought he was doing the right thing at the time?

No thank you. As far as I’m concerned, anyone who voted for both TARP and stimulus signed their own political death certificate with me.

gryphon202 on August 22, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Why isn’t this guy our chairman?

cynccook on August 22, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Because Dick Armey has a reputation for not working and playing well with others. He’s a damn fine conservative IMHO, and clearly has a good working and academic knowledge of economics. But that doesn’t make him (and perhaps makes it impossible for him to be) a good party chairman.

JohnGalt23 on August 22, 2010 at 6:10 PM

They had me until they quoted Wilson.

But over all, +99%!

Kini on August 22, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Nice catch Kini!..You have a point..Maybe they can replace that with a Reagan quote..:)

Dire Straits on August 22, 2010 at 6:11 PM

The Tea Party fights back..WE THE PEOPLE!..:)

Dire Straits on August 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Excellent video but I agree with Kini, here, what’s with the reference to Wilson?

Lourdes on August 22, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Dick Armey is a big supporter of open borders and amnesty.

Jon0815 on August 22, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Jon0815:
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Dick Armey Stuns Tea Partiers With Open-Borders Advocacy (see his immigration record here)

By Roy Beck, Monday, March 15, 2010, 6:12 PM EDT – posted on NumbersUSA
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For weeks, various grassroots leaders of tea parties have been asking NumbersUSA if there is anything to the rumors that former Congressman Dick Armey is soft on amnesty and the costs of illegal immigration. If he were, that would be an unsettling situation for the vast majority of people at tea party events who oppose both vehemently.

Well, today, Dick Armey settled the question. No need for rumors now.
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http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/march-15-2010/dick-armey-stuns-his-tea-partiers-open-borders-advocacy-see-his-immigra

canopfor on August 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM

[W]e have watched American public policy dominated by Democrats that don’t care and Republicans that don’t dare.

This is why it’s prime time for a Palin (or someone like her) Presidency. We don’t need someone who is an expert on everything, we need someone who knows a good idea when she sees it and has the cajones to run with it. A good administrator isn’t one who knows all the answers to the details, it’s one who knows how to hire the people who do know the answers and chutzpah to do what’s gotta be done.

miConsevative on August 22, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Birthright citizenship is outright garbage, and the Constitution of the United States clearly states that you can’t just illegally enter the country and crap out kids, then call them Americans, so you can collect benefits.

Virus-X on August 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Where does it state that?

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2010 at 6:09 PM

It’s in the part that’s written in invisible ink. Right next to the part that guarantees a right to privacy.

It always shocks me that alleged conservatives who (rightly) decry the semantic gymnastics liberals engage in to support their ideology, have no problem whatsoever doing the same on issues they are angry about.

Look at the plain text of the 14th Amendment. If you are born here, and under our jurisdiction (which if you aren’t a foreign dignitary/ambassador, you’re under US jurisdiction), then you are a citizen. Period. Black-letter law.

Now, I’m all in favor of amending the Constitution accordingly. I just don’t want conservatives to engage in the type of intellectual sloth that has damaged our Republic since the Roosevelt Administration.

JohnGalt23 on August 22, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Excellent video but I agree with Kini, here, what’s with the reference to Wilson?

Lourdes on August 22, 2010 at 6:12 PM

You are right..someone maybe a boo-boo there..should have used Reagan..:)

Dire Straits on August 22, 2010 at 6:21 PM

orry..this just isn’t my day..trying again..The Tea Party fights back..WE THE PEOPLE!..:)

Dire Straits on August 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Dire Straits: Great video.I was a looking for Eagles and
War,found this!!:)
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War Eagle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjTuemF1Rd4

canopfor on August 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Smart glasses on Jennifer Granholm is like a screen door on a submarine.

SouthernGent on August 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM

The car has already driven over the cliff. It’s on its way down and the D’s and R’s are fighting over the keys.

artist on August 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Yep. With the car sailing into the Grand Canyon, does it really matter if it’s Thelma or Louise behind the wheel?

AZCoyote on August 22, 2010 at 6:27 PM

canopfor on August 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM

That was a cool video..:)

Dire Straits on August 22, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Virus-X on August 22, 2010 at 5:31 PM

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2010 at 6:09 PM

JohnGalt23 on August 22, 2010 at 6:17 PM

To my read, what Virus-X was denouncing as to “birthright citizenship” and what’s clear in the Constitution was as to it being “clear” to many Americans that the 14th states citizenship is by birthright WHEN one is born under jurisdiction to the U.S. (and therefore, not a child born to parents who are here illegally or are diplomats or visiting tourists).

“The Constitution clearly states that” (citizenship is awarded to those born here who are born to the jurisdiction of the U.S., meaning, to parents who are legitimate and are citizens)…

The discussion’s been gone through and through and through and what it seems to boil down to is that some people don’t get the 14th correctly and defend their “error” or the rest of us who do get it correctly and want it correctly upheld and enforced.

Lourdes on August 22, 2010 at 6:29 PM

canopfor on August 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM
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That was a cool video..:)

Dire Straits on August 22, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Dire Straits: Beautiful bird,er, symbol!!:)

canopfor on August 22, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Granhom’s lunacy finds an audience because to many Americans are confused and afraid.

Who frightens and confuses them? People in Granholm’s category.

Who hasn’t lead enough Americans out of wilderness with adult judgment and American founding principles? The GOP, we expect Democrats to be Granholm like clones, its the Right that has to stand up and show the definitive Conservative contrast and hold fast.

Speakup on August 22, 2010 at 6:35 PM

I’m surprised she attacked Paul Ryan in front of Armey. Doesn’t she know that Dick Armey is one of the few people to have served in Congress who actually has an economics background and would understand what Ryan has been talking about?

INC on August 22, 2010 at 4:51 PM

She’s a Canuck – I do doubt she knows Armey’s background. She’s also a Rat – she doesn’t care about Armey’s background.

steveegg on August 22, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Smart glasses on Jennifer Granholm is like a screen door on a submarine.

SouthernGent on August 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM

SouthernGent: Speaking of Smart glasses and FemLib,:)
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mBjmC1wuJJU/TDP6XzmhPYI/AAAAAAAAAcQ/xjTOBt1lRog/s1600/untitledMaddow.bmp

From:
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Tuesday, July 6, 2010
Rachel Maddow Reports From Kandahar; or, Just When You Thought DOD Got Beat Up on Rolling Stone and McChrystal…

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/rachel-maddow-reports-from-kandahar-or.html

canopfor on August 22, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Lourdes on August 22, 2010 at 6:29 PM

The relevant part of the 14th Amendment is section 1:

“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

I don’t see the words ‘crap’ or ‘babies’ in there.

I do see the words “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,…”

Is the argument that illegal aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US? If not, can the US legally arrest and detain them?

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Remember Ann Richards’ line back George H.W. Bush during the 1988 DNC convention? That he was born on third base and thought he hit a triple? That may have been unfair to Bush 41, but it perfectly describes how the Republican leadership in Congress appears to be ready to behave after the 2010 election.

Thanks to the incompetence, corruption and just a general ‘screw you’ attitude towards the voters, the House GOP and possibly the Senate GOP leaders are about to be ‘reborn’ on third base, getting back control of Congress simply by not going along with the bills Reid and Pelosi jammed through over the past 18 months. Which is fine at the moment, but too many of the leadership appears to be scared to death to go any further when it comes to pushing any proactive measures to at the very least force Obama to show his hand going into the 2012 election, even if they don’t have the votes for repeal.

They’re perfectly happy just to be the party of blocking Obama from doing anything worse, but don’t want to risk a media-aided backlash by moderates if they push measures to repeal ObamaCare® and curtail the federal budget increases. No guts, no glory, and they’re going to face their own backlash if they actually believe the voters simply elected them this November to maintain the current drunken sailor federal spending baselines.

jon1979 on August 22, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Second, I wonder how much support there’d be even on the right for the congressional GOP deciding to suddenly rally behind Ryan’s roadmap.

Those who have a clue about the state of SocSecurity (cash deficits as far as the eye can see, a drain in the general coffers just to make good on the “Trust Fund”, and collapse of said “Trust Fund” in well less than 10 years for Disability Insurance and under 30 for the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance) know the clock is already flashing 0:00.

steveegg on August 22, 2010 at 6:40 PM

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