Faith of our presidents

posted at 8:47 am on August 20, 2010 by Slublog

Remember when a Christian president was a bad thing?

When George W. Bush was president, journalists and the left had two templates for Bush-faith stories. The first cast his faith in a dark light, with suspicion and conspiratorial thinking. Bush’s faith, they said, clouded his thinking on vital issues, and his judgment was called into question. The ultimate message of this template was simple: can we really trust a guy who believes that he’s doing God’s will?

”Just in the past few months,” Bartlett said, ”I think a light has gone off for people who’ve spent time up close to Bush: that this instinct he’s always talking about is this sort of weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do.” Bartlett, a 53-year-old columnist and self-described libertarian Republican who has lately been a champion for traditional Republicans concerned about Bush’s governance, went on to say: ”This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can’t be persuaded, that they’re extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he’s just like them. . . .

”This is why he dispenses with people who confront him with inconvenient facts,” Bartlett went on to say. ”He truly believes he’s on a mission from God. Absolute faith like that overwhelms a need for analysis. The whole thing about faith is to believe things for which there is no empirical evidence.” Bartlett paused, then said, ”But you can’t run the world on faith.”

The horror…a president who believed in a higher authority and actually looked to his faith for…guidance. In retrospect, it’s pretty amazing that the republic actually survived under the rule of such a despotic, Christianist ruler, isn’t it?

The second template was almost exactly the opposite. Reporters and the people they quoted were asking themselves a different question…can the warmongering George W. Bush really be a Christian?

“That a deep Christian faith illuminated the personal journey of George W. Bush is common knowledge,” Suskind wrote. In other words, the devil, as it were, is lurking among the articles of faith, but not in the heart of the man.

This is a huge mistake, because when judged by his deeds, an entirely different picture emerges: Bush does not demonstrate a life of faith by his actions, and neither Methodists, evangelicals, nor fundamentalists can rightly call him brother. In fact, the available evidence raises serious questions about whether Bush is really a Christian at all.

This article was written in October of 2004, just before the election. In what is most certainly just a crazy random happenstance, writers at the Washington Post were asking themselves the same questions just a month earlier.

Weird, huh?

But despite the centrality of Bush’s faith to his presidency, he has revealed only the barest outline of his beliefs, leaving others to sift through the clues and make assumptions about where he stands.

Bush has said many times that he is a Christian, believes in the power of prayer and considers himself a “lowly sinner.” But White House aides said they do not know whether the president believes that: the Bible is without error; the theory of evolution is true; homosexuality is a sinful choice; only Christians will go to heaven; support for Israel is a biblical imperative; or the war in Iraq is part of God’s plan.

Well isn’t that interesting? When Bush declared his Christianity, the press felt a need to delve into his faith and explore the nuances of his belief. Was Bush a moderate Christian, or was he really just one of those crazy wingnut believers who use words like sin and redemption and stuff? Heck, those people are practically snake-handlers, right? But the real question was whether he was a real Christian at all.

So many questions to be explored. And explore them, the press did.

Then, I mean.

I have no idea what Barack Obama believes about God, and I really don’t care. Who he prays to is less important to me than the fact that he’s expanding government power and turning the United States into a debtocracy. The deficits his administration have created threaten not just my economic well-being, but that of my children and quite possibly their children. To me, Obama’s policies are more important than his faith.

The media seem to feel differently. When a poll showed that a growing number of Americans are starting to wonder if Obama is a Muslim, the press swung into full White House Protection Mode. Take it away, Bill Burton!

As Obama left for a vacation, Burton told reporters aboard Air Force One that most Americans care more about the economy and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and “they are not reading a lot of news about what religion the president is.”

Burton added, “The president is obviously a Christian. He prays every day.”

With this, the media breathes a sigh of relief. The White House says the president is a Christian, so he’s obviously a Christian. End of story. No reason to examine this question further, so let’s move on, okay?

I believe that only God truly knows the heart of a human being so the determination of who is a Christian and who is not is ultimately up to Him. Based on what he’s said on the campaign trail and as president, I think Barack Obama is a Christian of the social justice variety. I disagree with the more forced egalitarian aspects of that interpretation of Christianity, but recognize that as a Christian, I have a responsibility to recognize the dignity of every human being and help those in need. Where Obama and I likely differ is that I believe the decision to help others should be voluntary and borne of my desire to serve God. Based on what he’s said in the past, Obama seems to believe it should be a governmental decision. It is an interesting debate and one I would honestly welcome from the president.

So if anyone from the White House is reading this, I am totally willing to have a beer summit. In the interests of unity, of course. If you provide the Newcastle, I’m there.

The media doesn’t seem as interested in that debate, since they’re perfectly willing to declare Barack Obama the most Christian president in recent history on the most scant of evidence:

*** The irony here: The big irony of this story: President Obama is more religious than Reagan or H.W. Bush ever was; in fact, he gets Bible verses sent to his blackberry EVERY DAY. FYI, the Pew poll was conducted before the president weighed in on the mosque controversy. One does wonder if it would have helped push back against this nutty narrative had the president picked a church, as he said he would during the campaign, or if he regularly attended church.

Dude.

The president gets Bible verses on his Blackberry. EVERY DAY. Reading this, you’ve got to wonder. Does Pope Benedict have a Blackberry? I think not. So if he doesn’t have a Blackberry, he can’t receive daily Bible verses. If he can’t receive daily Bible verses…is he as devout as Obama?

As I’ve said, I don’t really care what Obama believes. What bothers me is that the press only seems to think a president’s religion is important when his faith can be used to question his policy priorities. If those priorities go against the views of those in the media, then Christianity is a scary fringe faith that needs examining. If the president is progressive, then his faith is pure and he’s only trying to do what’s best for the country. No reason to ask uncomfortable questions.

If Obama says he’s a Christian, that’s perfectly okay.

Just so long as he doesn’t become one of those ‘Christianists.’

Right?

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I would like someone to ask the Imam who is behind the Ground Zero mosque if he thinks Obama is am apostate. And follow up with why or why not…

Fallon on August 20, 2010 at 8:51 AM

Words are meaningless. The Bible says you will know them by their fruit. Obama’s fruit is rotten.
I suppose that’s why more and more Americans are coming to the conclusions they are.

katy on August 20, 2010 at 8:51 AM

Burton added, “The president is obviously a Christian. He prays every day.”

How many times and facing what direction? Is a rug involved?

just kidding

Disturb the Universe on August 20, 2010 at 8:52 AM

I don’t care if Obama receives two stone tablets every day, he’s a menace to the West.

OldEnglish on August 20, 2010 at 8:53 AM

The White House says the president is a Christian, so he’s obviously a Christian. End of story. No reason to examine this question further, so let’s move on, okay?

I really find it funny that there are polls now asking the question on what “faith” Americans think that the current president anchors himself to. The fact that it is even a question really casts doubt upon the likelihood that there is any faith at all. my 2c

ted c on August 20, 2010 at 8:53 AM

The Bible says you will know them by their fruit. Obama’s fruit is rotten.
I suppose that’s why more and more Americans are coming to the conclusions they are.

katy on August 20, 2010 at 8:51 AM

katy is right.

corruption
dishonesty
thuggery
theft
division where there should be unity
unity where there should be division
arrogance where there should be humility
uncertainty and groping where there should be wisdom

need I continue?

ted c on August 20, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Besides, being a Christian is no quarantee one will be a good president; look at Jimmah Carter.

Disturb the Universe on August 20, 2010 at 8:55 AM

ted c on August 20, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Even Bill Burton isn’t saying he’s a “good” Christian.

Dee2008 on August 20, 2010 at 8:58 AM

The ultimate message of this template was simple: can we really trust a guy who believes that he’s doing God’s will?

The answer of course is YES!

Tommy_G on August 20, 2010 at 8:58 AM

If Obama says he’s a Christian, that’s perfectly okay.

I say I’m an astronaut but, just because I say it doesn’t make it so…

ted c on August 20, 2010 at 8:58 AM

During Clinton and Bush terms there was the press who came alive when these ex-Presidents exited from a place of worship.

Has anyone seen President Obama exit a church sine becoming president?

MSGTAS on August 20, 2010 at 8:59 AM

I’m sure Obama prays every day. At least five times. :)

Kafir on August 20, 2010 at 8:59 AM

It doesn’t matter what Obama is. What matters is what Americans think he is and right now they think he’s a socialist and a growing number think he’s a muslim.

The White House weenies must be running around like madmen trying to do damage control on an uncontrollable situation. Everytime Obama opens his mouth another foot gets jammed in it.

darwin on August 20, 2010 at 9:01 AM

how would Mr. Obama square his heinous positions on abortion with Jesus’ call to children:

Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them; and when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.”

or conversely, the appointment of Kevin Jennings, an avowed pedophile in an organization about man-boy love as a “safe schools czar”

Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.

as katy said, judge a tree by its fruit.

ted c on August 20, 2010 at 9:02 AM

SIMPLY PUT FOR THE MAINSTREAM IDJIT MEDIA…..

This issue, and other questions about Obama are because YOU IN THE MEDIA did not do your job (but you know that already).

**as I’ve said before I don’t care if he’s a Llama worshipper and makes pilgrimages to the Andes Mountain every year to talk with the Lead Llama. It’s what he’s DOING TO THE COUNTRY.


**AND PLEASE……it might help if he attended worship services somewhere besides the Golf Course.

PappyD61 on August 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Don’t know if it’s desperation or not, but I feel like I hear more Bible references from the left this Presidency – and always in the context of some policy Obama is pushing.

We had to pass health care because “that’s what Baby Jesus wants and that’s what the Bible says is right.”

We have to pass anti-business laws “that’s what Baby Jesus wants and that’s what the Bible says is right.”

We have to pass bills without reading them and find out later what’s actually in them “that’s what Baby Jesus wants and that’s what the Bible says is right.”

Of course, the Bible says none of these things, nor does it hint at them, but for some reason, the O-bots are suddenly less wary of their very principled stand on the strict separation of religion and state than they were during the long, dark night of Christianist fascism from 2000-2008.

I just find that funny.

Good Lt on August 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Every government is a theocracy because every leader has a basic orientation toward the ultimate issues.

It’s clear what Obama’s orientation is. He is a marxist materialist and he is governing as a pretty typical utopian.

Spoiler alert: this kind of theocracy is far more dangerous than the theocracies you libertarians whine about.

jeff_from_mpls on August 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Obama can’t reconcile his far left beliefs and actions with Christian faith. The Bible says we will know where a person stands spiritually by what they do. Obama can’t reconcile the two, and you can’t separate God from the Bible.

AubieJon on August 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Sometimes my faith is shaken when I consider that in this economy, someone like Bill Burton still has a job.

myrenovations on August 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM

I sure as heck care who the POTUS prays to! A certain moon god (who shall remain nameless) has a tendency to turn followers into kamikazes.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on August 20, 2010 at 9:04 AM

If imam Obama is a Christian, I am the flying spaghetti monster.

Blarg the Destroyer on August 20, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Oh I believe Obama prays… he prays everyday for his poll ratings. Beyond that, not so much!!!

Curious what Obama thinks about the Christian virtues of Restraint or Temperance, particularly in regard to his sixth vacation of the year while the rest of the nation is starving! Wonder if Rev. Wright ever spoke on those!!

IntheNet on August 20, 2010 at 9:04 AM

The liberal press gives Obama a pass on just about everything. Remember his interview with George Stephanopoulis in September 2008 (as reported in the Washington Times):

“Let’s not play games,” [Obama] said. “What I was suggesting — you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you’re absolutely right that that has not come.”

Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted with, “Christian faith.”

“My Christian faith,” Mr. Obama said quickly. “Well, what I’m saying is that he hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim…”

I think it’s interesting that George didn’t ask, “Don’t you mean your Christian faith?” Instead, he actually corrected Obama. The liberal press protects Obama at every turn, helping him correct his gaffes.

I don’t know about you guys, but I can’t imagine making a similar misstatement about my faith. I’ve never referred to “my Muslim faith,” or “my Buddhist faith,” etc.

And Obama still hasn’t chosen a church in the Washington area to attend, has he?

KyMouse on August 20, 2010 at 9:05 AM

Burton added, “The president is obviously a Christian. He prays every day.”

uh, no Mr. Burton it’s NOT OBVIOUS AT ALL (but you know that already).

Uh, Next question from the WH Press Corpse about Michelle’s choice of shoes for the Hamptons Vacay please.

PappyD61 on August 20, 2010 at 9:05 AM

The White House weenies must be running around like madmen trying to do damage control on an uncontrollable situation. Everytime Obama opens his mouth another foot gets jammed in it.

We’re now seeing what happens when you put a legislator in the executive branch.

Talk, talk, talk, a need to shove himself into EVERY ISSUE POSSIBLE like an idiot Congresscreature, and then quick backtracking once it becomes evident that the public doesn’t think that Presidential involvement in every area of life in this country really is what the people want.

Good Lt on August 20, 2010 at 9:06 AM

I’m sure Obama prays every day. At least five times. :)

Kafir on August 20, 2010 at 8:59 AM

Oh, snap!

But in all seriousness, as katy said, you will know them by their fruits. As a man who railed against a legislative act to protect children who survived abortions, his fruit seems rotten to the core.

I find it boundlessly amusing that all of a sudden, it’s cool for the President to be receiving ‘daily Bible verses’ among our normally anti-Christian media and government. The more you have to tell everyone about a particular character trait of yours, the more likely it is that you do not actually possess it.

KinleyArdal on August 20, 2010 at 9:07 AM

When do we get proof he’s a Capitalist?

artist on August 20, 2010 at 9:07 AM

Burton added, “The president is obviously a Christian. He prays every day.”

uh, no Mr. Burton it’s NOT OBVIOUS AT ALL (but you know that already).

Uh, Next question from the WH Press Corpse about Michelle’s choice of shoes for the Hamptons Vacay please.

PappyD61 on August 20, 2010 at 9:05 AM

Burton himself doesn’t even comprehend the level of idiocy required to utter such a missive.

ted c on August 20, 2010 at 9:08 AM

The big irony of this story: President Obama is more religious than Reagan or H.W. Bush ever was; in fact, he gets Bible verses sent to his blackberry EVERY DAY.

And I get Chase bank alerts on my blackberry SEVERAL TIMES A DAY so call me a banker.

CarolynM on August 20, 2010 at 9:08 AM

Spoiler alert: this kind of theocracy is far more dangerous than the theocracies you libertarians whine about.

jeff_from_mpls on August 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM

There is much truth in this statement. >.> Libertarians beware; this is your worst nightmare made real.

KinleyArdal on August 20, 2010 at 9:08 AM

Bush and Carter were Christians and they were both awful Statist fiscal incontinents.

Give a Muslim any day as long as he can balance a checkbook.

Lehosh on August 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM

I was so insired by Burton’s remarks that the spirit moved me to make this video late last night. I know, I left out the Church of Alinsky, Marx… It wasn’t really political, just cute, like me.

The White House: President Obama is a Devout Christian Who Prays Daily

Granny Jan

No Niks on August 20, 2010 at 9:11 AM

ted c on August 20, 2010 at 9:02 AM

The very existence of Jennings makes me snarl. I cannot believe that such a man is anywhere near our children, let alone making policies about them. It will be a heavy millstone, indeed.

KinleyArdal on August 20, 2010 at 9:12 AM

If Obama says he’s a Christian, that’s perfectly okay.

I say I’m an astronaut but, just because I say it doesn’t make it so…

ted c on August 20, 2010 at 8:58 AM

I’m Batman!

darwin-t on August 20, 2010 at 9:12 AM

If you provide the Newcastle, I’m there.

Good choice.

And remember the flak Sarah Palin got for being a Christian, or the flak Glenn Beck gets for his religion.

So what’s the difference between Barack Obama & God? God doesn’t believe He’s Barack Obama.

rbj on August 20, 2010 at 9:13 AM

I’m Batman!

darwin-t on August 20, 2010 at 9:12 AM

That’s impossible, becuase I’m Batman.

Good Lt on August 20, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Talk, talk, talk, a need to shove himself into EVERY ISSUE POSSIBLE like an idiot Congresscreature, and then quick backtracking once it becomes evident that the public doesn’t think that Presidential involvement in every area of life in this country really is what the people want.

Good Lt on August 20, 2010 at 9:06 AM

Much agree. Obama lacks many of the important qualities that executive experience brings.

dedalus on August 20, 2010 at 9:14 AM

nice piece…

double standard indeed!

cmsinaz on August 20, 2010 at 9:17 AM

This is further proof of the perversion of Christianity by Marxists and the Marxist press. The goal is the destruction of Christianity. The press promotes bastardized versions of Christianity when it suits their goal.

True_King on August 20, 2010 at 9:17 AM

So now we aren’t sure whether Obama is Muslim or Christian. Hell, we aren’t even sure he is constitutionally qualified to be President. We know less about Obama’s background – from birth and education through international travel to Pakistan and relationships with people and groups bent on the destruction of our nation – than we know about the dark side of the Moon. And yet 53% of us elected this human enigma.
Elections do, indeed, have consequences. Remember that on 11/2/10.

Dilbertnomore on August 20, 2010 at 9:17 AM

That’s impossible, becuase I’m Batman.

Good Lt on August 20, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Will the real Batman please stand up and remove his cowl? O.o

KinleyArdal on August 20, 2010 at 9:17 AM

in fact, he gets Bible verses sent to his blackberry EVERY DAY.

I seem to recall early in his presidency that he was sent scriptures from many religions, not just Christianity, to his Blackberry. Hmmmm, off to wade through Google.

LastRick on August 20, 2010 at 9:17 AM

That’s impossible, becuase I’m Batman.

Good Lt on August 20, 2010 at 9:13 AM

and just because you say so I’m supposed to believe it? Riiiiight

darwin-t on August 20, 2010 at 9:18 AM

So many excellent posts to respond to:

How many times and facing what direction? Is a rug involved?

Disturb the Universe on August 20, 2010 at 8:52 AM


Lol, WTF Does his blackberry have an app to point to Mecca?

I don’t care if Obama receives two stone tablets every day, he’s a menace to the West.

OldEnglish on August 20, 2010 at 8:53 AM


Knowing Obama, he keeps dropping them!

And I get Chase bank alerts on my blackberry SEVERAL TIMES A DAY so call me a banker.

CarolynM on August 20, 2010 at 9:08 AM


Can we get you to advise congress on completing a budget?

jackal40 on August 20, 2010 at 9:18 AM

Will the real Batman please stand up and remove his cowl? O.o

KinleyArdal on August 20, 2010 at 9:17 AM

If I removed my cowl I would be Bruce Wayne and not Batman, duh!

darwin-t on August 20, 2010 at 9:19 AM

I shouldn’t mention this but is would cost 100′s of millions to rotate the Whitehouse so it is facing Mecca.

There is prayer in public schools also before tests.

seven on August 20, 2010 at 9:20 AM

Liberals and media: Bush and Palin–batsh*t crazy Christians.

Liberals and media: Obama under guidance of Jeremiah Wright–plain vanilla, mainstream Christians.

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2010 at 9:20 AM

A friend asked me once that if being Christian were a crime, would there be enough evidence to convict you??

Only Mr. Obama can answer that question, not Mr. Burton.

ted c on August 20, 2010 at 9:20 AM

Irony: It doesn’t mean what you think it means.

franksalterego on August 20, 2010 at 9:20 AM

Jesus Christ said you’ll know people by their fruit. I think the president’s twenty years with Jeremiah Wright was spent growing on a rotten tree.

Also:

Burton added, “The president is obviously a Christian. He prays every day.”

Is Mr. Burton saying Jews and Muslims DON’T pray? Oh, the politically correct horror. Maybe Speaker Pelosi can investigate this, too.

tgharris on August 20, 2010 at 9:21 AM

I blog on HotAir several times a day, that doesn’t make me Allahpundit.

ted c on August 20, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Wow, didn’t take long. First link on Bing went to an article on ABC news:

Obama said his personal BlackBerry, which he famously fought with the Secret Service to keep, has actually become a tool of keeping the faith.

“My Faith and Neighborhood Initiatives Director, Joshua DuBois, he has a devotional that he sends to me on my BlackBerry each day,” Obama said. “That’s how I start my morning. You know, he’s got a passage, Scripture, in some cases quotes from other faiths to reflect on.” (emphasis mine)

This was written in July 2009, I guess before the MSM needed Obama to be the best Christian ever.

LastRick on August 20, 2010 at 9:23 AM

The litmus test is abortion. If Obama thinks he is intellectual, he would grasp that both Muslims and Christians don’t do abortions.

seven on August 20, 2010 at 9:23 AM

President Obama is more religious than Reagan or H.W. Bush ever was

This I believe, it’s just which “so-called” religion he buys into that I’m skeptical about.

Alden Pyle on August 20, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Good Lt on August 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Actually, the Bible does say all that stuff. It just says it in a way that you and I can’t discern. It emanates from those penumbras — you know the ones, they’re the same kind in which the Libs found a right to abortion in the U.S. Constitution. I think you have to have one of those super-secret “progressive” decoder rings to be able to see them though . . . .

AZCoyote on August 20, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Party of my problem is that Republicans do believe in god more than others and show there faith more freely. BUT, we should not boast about this faith…you live it. It is wrong to put your faith out there as more Christian than others.

That is for God to decide. We need to go out and “Act like we’ve been there” because we are everyday.

tomas on August 20, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Burton added, “The president is obviously a Christian. He prays every day.”

How many times and facing what direction? Is a rug involved?

just kidding

Disturb the Universe on August 20, 2010 at 8:52 AM

Burton’s a moron; that was simply too easy.

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2010 at 9:24 AM

he gets Bible verses sent to his blackberry EVERY DAY.

The MSM has gone from being blatant shills to being lickspittles.

Vashta.Nerada on August 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM

Obama cancels the National Day of Prayer, but hosts the Iftar Dinner. This is to help me believe he’s a Christian? Sorry, need something a bit more substantial to convince me you’re a Christian – umm, maybe go to church instead of golfing?

W was able to do both the National Day of Prayer and host the Iftar Dinner – don’t see many accusations about his faith. Perhaps there’s a deeper reason people think O is a muslim. Maybe his bowing to muslim leaders or his repeated attempts to destroy America?

Just sayin’

jackal40 on August 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM

A friend asked me once that if being Christian were a crime, would there be enough evidence to convict you??

Only Mr. Obama can answer that question, not Mr. Burton.

ted c on August 20, 2010 at 9:20 AM

I thought of posting that. He couldn’t be caught in a church.
Years ago he was told to hook up with a church so he could run in politics. So he did it for marketing purposes.

seven on August 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM

While we’re on the subject of “Religion”…

I’m feeling all spiritual, this morning.

I’m looking for a religion, that will allow me to reach out, and make friends with people, while at the same time, tell them to go piss up a rope.

Any suggestions?

franksalterego on August 20, 2010 at 9:31 AM

and just because you say so I’m supposed to believe it? Riiiiight

darwin-t on August 20, 2010 at 9:18 AM

True story.

Good Lt on August 20, 2010 at 9:32 AM

This was written in July 2009, I guess before the MSM needed Obama to be the best Christian ever.

LastRick on August 20, 2010 at 9:23 AM

I asked in a thread last night: who’s sending the Bible passages? Jim Wallis’s Sojourners outfit. Great.

Meanwhile, the WH has sent interns to the local Barnes & Nobles to find all the copies they can of Christianity for Idiots so that they’re all more familiar with talking points to bolster Obama’s Christian cred.

Leaving aside the 18% who think he’s a Muslim, the funny thing I find in the polling is that less than half of all Democrats (mid-40s) and less than half of all blacks (mid-40s) don’t think he’s a Christian.

For crying out loud, his own base is second-guessing him. Don’t leave this turd on the doorsteps of conservatives.

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Oop. Accidental link overkill. Sorry.

kingsjester on August 20, 2010 at 9:33 AM

“Every morning, sometimes as early as 5:30 a.m., a short religious passage comes across President Obama’s BlackBerry, sent by one of his aides.” CBSNews

Yup, no indication of which religion or religions the passages come from…

Fallon on August 20, 2010 at 9:40 AM

I asked in a thread last night: who’s sending the Bible passages? Jim Wallis’s Sojourners outfit. Great.

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2010 at 9:32 AM

Never saw this connection before so I went to Wiki and what does Wiki say about Jim Wallis: “Wallis has served on the Advisory Council to President Barack Obama’s Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships“. Which fits the July 2009 quote I pulled above:

“My Faith and Neighborhood Initiatives Director, Joshua DuBois, he has a devotional that he sends to me on my BlackBerry each day,” Obama said.

Moving even farther inward, the first link if you bing “Jim Wallis” comes up as: “Jim Wallis/George Soros Update”. A story about Wallis’s Sojourners being published with funds from Soros.

It’s always Soros in the end, isn’t it?

LastRick on August 20, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Remember when a Christian president was a bad thing?

And let’s not forget Sarah Palin and her crazy, extremist, Christianist beliefs. In fact, for grins I Bing’d the 3 words: Sarah Palin church. Interestingly, the very first link returned was not one about the fire at her church, but a HuffPo article about how SP’s church shaped her “Controversial Worldview.” Because, you know, Rev. Wright is so mainstream in America, but Sarah Palin’s church is way out there.

Sarah Palin is a Christian = bad
George Bush is a Christian = bad
Barack Obama is a Christina = good

CJ on August 20, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Yup, no indication of which religion or religions the passages come from…

Fallon on August 20, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Check my posts above. Last year, when the MSM wanted to show how non-W Obama was, they listed many different faiths. Now, with the Cordoba thing dragging Obama down, they’ve changed it to just Christianity.

It’s like the MSM forgets there’s an internets sometimes.

LastRick on August 20, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Nice article Slublog.

Words are meaningless. The Bible says you will know them by their fruit. Obama’s fruit is rotten.
I suppose that’s why more and more Americans are coming to the conclusions they are.

katy on August 20, 2010 at 8:51 AM

This. Obama’s actions don’t match his words.

Second, how surprising that some outfit took the poll and the SRM discussed it. Whatever the motives of the SRM are, this topic is bad news for Obama while he’s on vacation. Happy, good news should be flooding the airwaves. His poll numbers will go even lower I suspect. Drudge teased Obama will respond to Iran on page of NYT, to change the story line of course.

The deeper issue is the awakening in our country. There is a collective question being asked: Who is Barack Obama? Was he honest about his faith? The issue is Obama’s honesty, more than his faith. In 19 months, Obama has exhibited a pattern of lying, doublespeak, and half-truths. The campaign carefully crafted and controlled his public image, but his actions conflict with his words. People are waking up, just in time.

conservative pilgrim on August 20, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Disturb the Universe on August 20, 2010 at 8:52 AM

Nah.

All he needs is a mirror.

CPT. Charles on August 20, 2010 at 9:57 AM

If the president is progressive, then his faith is pure and

Once again, allowing liberals to run away from the ‘liberal’ tag by calling them the name they want to be called. They call us neocons and Nazis but some allow them to set the dialog. Call them what they are.

slug on August 20, 2010 at 9:57 AM

Matthew 7:15-19

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Rebar on August 20, 2010 at 9:57 AM

I think Obama is an atheist. Most communists are. Also, I’m Teddy Roosevelt —- Chaaaarge!!!!!

missouriyankee on August 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM

So what’s the difference between Barack Obama & God? God doesn’t believe He’s Barack Obama.

rbj on August 20, 2010 at 9:13 AM

That may be the best line I’ve ever read in a Hotair.com thread about Barack Obama. :)

listens2glenn on August 20, 2010 at 10:05 AM

“My Faith and Neighborhood Initiatives Director, Joshua DuBois, he has a devotional that he sends to me on my BlackBerry each day,” Obama said.

Really? Hope DuBois got approval to do that from Obama’s Input to Electronic Devices Director.

Dee2008 on August 20, 2010 at 10:06 AM

It’s like the MSM forgets there’s an internets sometimes.

LastRick on August 20, 2010 at 9:44 AM

Agree, but, unfortunately, a lot of historical information has already disappeared down the memory hole…

Fallon on August 20, 2010 at 10:06 AM

When do we get proof he’s a Capitalist?

artist on August 20, 2010 at 9:07 AM

When pigs fly!

Rovin on August 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM

It’s not the anti-American presidents faith that is an issue …. It’s who he is, what he learned in the BLT church, the grudges he holds, the scores he is settling.

Slavery of the white guy, by debt so large it can never be repaid. There is no doubt,

tarpon on August 20, 2010 at 10:13 AM

I think Barack Obama is a Christian of the social justice variety

There is no such thing as “Christians of the social justice variety” – that is a big lie created by people who have a political agenda, and they are busy trying to co-opt churches to push that agenda. Christ was all about free will, not stealing money from one guy to give it to someone else.

I think Obama is utterly godless, as evidenced by his policies and behavior. There is no higher power than Obama, in his mind.

He won, you know.

disa on August 20, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Burton added, “The president is obviously a Christian. He prays every day.”

Satan worshippers pray every day. “praying” proves nothing other than a devotion to the object of your prayers.

The president gets Bible verses on his Blackberry

No human knows G_D’s Word as well as G-D does.

“Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written,

“He will command his angels concerning you,”

and

“On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.”

Satan, quoting Psalm 91 to Jesus as recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, chapter 4, verses 5 and 6. Satan knows Scripture better than any human.

As I’ve said, I don’t really care what Obama believes

I can very much what B. Hussein Obama believes. What he, or any leader believes, will be reflected in their words and deeds. Tyrants believe in their own deity and rule accordingly. The difference in what one believes is simple; if you believe that your conduct will be judged by a Holy G_D, and that judgement will have eternal consequences, you conduct yourself accordingly. On the other hand, if you believe there are no eternal consequences for your actions, you’ll live your life in the belief that physical death is the end of existence.

oldleprechaun on August 20, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Actually, the White House saying Obama is the most Christian Christian in the history of Christianity — and certainly more of one than George W. Bush — despite Obama giving the public no public signs of his strongly-held Christian faith is a really good preview of 2011, when the White House (and big media) spin will be Obama is the most triangulating triangulator in the history of triangulation — and certainly a better one than Bill Clinton — despite Obama supporting or signing no legislation to show the public that he’s moderating his ideological views.

jon1979 on August 20, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Nobody minds you being a Christian until you start acting like one.

Mojave Mark on August 20, 2010 at 10:28 AM

What are Americans supposed to think about this president?

The media is disinterested in this presidents background. He is a blank slate.

What are the people, who have been intentionally left in the dark by the state media, supposed to think?

rickyricardo on August 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM

I think Obama is an atheist. Most communists are. Also, I’m Teddy Roosevelt —- Chaaaarge!!!!!

missouriyankee on August 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM

LEEEROOOYYYY JENKINNNNNS!

AubieJon on August 20, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Forgot one thing–

I disagree with the more forced egalitarian aspects of that interpretation of Christianity Marxism, but recognize that as a Christian, I have a responsibility to recognize the dignity of every human being and help those in need.

FIFY.

There are egalitarian aspects of Christianity that I adhere to, for example gender equality (link explains). I believe Obama’s egalitarianism, however, is rooted in Marxism (social justice, redistribution) with government as the answer and enforcer.

conservative pilgrim on August 20, 2010 at 10:50 AM

You see Obama has a personal relationship with God

J_Crater on August 20, 2010 at 10:54 AM

Obama says he was led to Christ by Jeremiah Wright. If Jeremiah Wright is a Christian, than so is Obama. But a true Christian would never ask God to d@mn his own country or preach that only people of certain races could be saved, as Wright did. Jesus’ last words to His apostles were “Go out and make disciples in ALL nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.”

Anyone who believes that only people of some races can be saved is not a Christian, because Christ Himself wants to save people of ALL nations.

Steve Z on August 20, 2010 at 11:02 AM

I’m Batman!

I’m Teddy Roosevelt —- Chaaaarge!!!!!

Oh great. Another ambiguously gay thread.

My collie says:

WHY.SO.SERIOUS?

Et tu, collie?

CyberCipher on August 20, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Did they send Gibsy on vaca after his last kerfluffle? Seen a lot of Burton lately.

On topic, Obama’s faith is a mystery to most Americans and he is not as Mr. Burton said “obviously” a Christian. His actions and his 20 year attendence at Rev. Wright’s church indicate the opposite. Say what you like but the facts speak differently. Is he a Muslim? I don’t know, but he sure trends that way.

Willie on August 20, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Barack Obama has no need of the Christian faith. He’s a god, remember?

My collie says:

Does this mean that the MSM is starting to back away from the “Obama is the messiah” narrative?

CyberCipher on August 20, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Don’t know if it’s desperation or not, but I feel like I hear more Bible references from the left this Presidency – and always in the context of some policy Obama is pushing.
Good Lt on August 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM

I noticed it too…when it serves their purpose.

wi farmgirl on August 20, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Something about this just makes me want to laugh.
My guess: BO is effectively atheist, but assumes that the Christian God exists.

Count to 10 on August 20, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Nobody minds you being a Christian until you start acting like one.

Mojave Mark on August 20, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Bull’s-eye, hole-in-one, top marks, Mark. Words to live by. A handy paraphrase of John 15:18-20 and Matthew 10:22. Thanks.

KyMouse on August 20, 2010 at 11:24 AM

“There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.” Proverbs 6:16-19

This passage of scripture always floats through my mind whenever I think of Obama…

theotherone on August 20, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Heard a CNN reporter yesterday parotting the line that since Obama said he was a Christian that settles it. (And why didn’t Rush Limbaugh and those crazies on the right just listen to his statement before entertaining the thought that he might be a muslim?)
Of course, that analysis assumes Obama tells the truth! We have been shown countless times that he lies almost every time he opens his mouth. But of course, the lib reporter on CNN could never acknowledge that.
I for one think Obama’s an atheist — he pretends to favor whichever religion will help him get political success and power.

Christian Conservative on August 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM

I for one think Obama’s an atheist — he pretends to favor whichever religion will help him get political success and power.

Christian Conservative on August 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM

I tend to agree with you.

shoregulls on August 20, 2010 at 11:49 AM

I tell you Jerry, at that moment I was a marine biologist!

Pervygrin on August 20, 2010 at 11:52 AM

So many good posts to respond to!

The more you have to tell everyone about a particular character trait of yours, the more likely it is that you do not actually possess it.

KinleyArdal on August 20, 2010 at 9:07 AM

How very true.

Don’t know if it’s desperation or not, but I feel like I hear more Bible references from the left this Presidency – and always in the context of some policy Obama is pushing.
Good Lt on August 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Someone told me that if you’re in a business deal with someone and they keep telling you how Christian they are and how much they read the bible, you should grab your wallet to make sure its still there.

I think its the same with Obama. Even though Obama insists he’s a Christian, he’s going after our wallet via more and new taxes.

And let’s not forget Sarah Palin and her crazy, extremist, Christianist beliefs. In fact, for grins I Bing’d the 3 words: Sarah Palin church. Interestingly, the very first link returned was not one about the fire at her church, but a HuffPo article about how SP’s church shaped her “Controversial Worldview.” Because, you know, Rev. Wright is so mainstream in America, but Sarah Palin’s church is way out there.

Sarah Palin is a Christian = bad
George Bush is a Christian = bad
Barack Obama is a Christian = good

CJ on August 20, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Lets not forget that people made an issue of Huckabee’s faith. They also made an issue of Romney’s faith too.

Mike Huckabee is a Christian = bad
Mitt Romney is a Mormon = bad

Bush and Carter were Christians and they were both awful Statist fiscal incontinents.

Give a Muslim any day as long as he can balance a checkbook.

Lehosh on August 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM

Great point.

People focus so much on a candidate’s faith thinking that if they’re Christian, then they’ll be a good President.

I think its time we make a candidate’s faith less of an issue and make their fruits more of an issue. Look at their political careers. Look to see if they’re honest in their dealings with fellow men.

I don’t care if the next President is Mormon, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, Catholic, Evangelical, or Athiest. I just want him to govern our country with conservative principles, respect and upholds the Constitution and gets us out of debt.

Conservative Samizdat on August 20, 2010 at 12:03 PM

The only reason the President’s religion matters is if it has some kind of profound influence on his decisions and policy choices (or if the press can use it to scream “hypocrite!”). It is painfully obvious that Obama’s policies, utterances, actions, etc are NOT informed by any reading of the Christian faith (nor by Islam).

Based on his statements and policies, it seems pretty easy to conclude that he is basically a secularist, or a secular-humanist if you prefer. Not really true athiesm, but rather “I believe in God, I just don’t listen to what He says and ignore anything that interferes with my internal voice/god.”

P.S. Tons of people claim to be Christians, but do not allow the underlying tenants of that faith to influence their political beleifs or their personal actions. So, if Obama is a Christian, he is of the very common CHINO variety (Christian in name only).

Fatal on August 20, 2010 at 12:15 PM

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