Oh my: New lefty ObamaCare message drops promise of cost-cutting, vows to “improve” law

posted at 5:36 pm on August 19, 2010 by Allahpundit

I’m going to go ahead and accept this as an answer to the question I posed earlier. Why, yes, it was indeed insane to think that ObamaCare would be a boon to Democrats in the midterms.

This one’s for you, Missouri!

Key White House allies are dramatically shifting their attempts to defend health care legislation, abandoning claims that it will reduce costs and deficit, and instead stressing a promise to “improve it.”…

The confidential presentation, available in full here and provided to POLITICO by a source on the call, suggests that Democrats are acknowledging the failure of their predictions that the health care legislation would grow more popular after its passage, as its benefits became clear and rhetoric cooled. Instead, the presentation is designed to win over a skeptical public, and to defend the legislation — and in particular the individual mandate — from a push for repeal…

The presentation also concedes that the fiscal and economic arguments that were the White House’s first and most aggressive sales pitch have essentially failed…

The presentation’s final page of “Don’ts” counsels against claiming “the law will reduce costs and deficit.”

The powerpoint comes from a lefty shop called the Herndon Alliance, which “partners” with ObamaCare shills like the AFL-CIO, SEIU, MoveOn, etc. I’m not sure how much of this is revelatory: Two weeks ago Claire McCaskill responded to the anti-mandate vote in Missouri by saying there’s still plenty of work to do on the provisions of the law, which is vague enough to mean virtually anything. For instance, no doubt plenty of House progressives want to “improve” it by passing a public option. But even so, the fact that they’re now so far in retreat that they’re willing to make rhetorical concessions even on their idiotic core plank about bending the cost curve shows just how worried they are that the GOP (a) will be making big, big gains in November and (b) might just have the public support needed to get a serious pro-repeal movement going among the electorate. This is pure defense. Flashback exit quotation via Jim Geraghty: “If Republicans want to campaign against what we’ve done… that is a fight I want to have.”

Update: From Ace, a plea on turnout:

Either way, liberals will be taught a lesson this year.

But they can learn one of two lessons:

1, America doesn’t mind a little socialism and the electoral condquences for pushing it are minor and livable, or

2, My God What Have We Done.

We need the lesson to be 2.

If it’s 1, we lose something forever.

Update: From the comments: “So, their big argument for why they should be re-elelected is that they promise to fix the horrible legislation they lied to us about and passed over the public’s very vocal objections. Good luck with that.”

Update: I’ve given you the “Waterloo” video a dozen times so let’s try this one instead.


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And there will still be a$$holes on the right who won’t vote because they are trying to teach the GOP a lesson.

di butler on August 19, 2010 at 6:26 PM

By the way, this is the biggest nothing story ever. I can’t emphasize how meaningless this crap is. But August is a slow news month and there’s no new Ground Zero Mosque story, so let’s put it up there in BIG RED LETTERS and see what sticks. Oh my.

Of course it’s nothing. When a bunch of influential lefty orgs decide to scrap the guts of their O-Care messaging based on horrible polling by Democratic firms, why should anyone care? Surely you’d react the same way to the equivalent thing happening on the right.

By the way: I know you think our regular commenters are all party shills, but you at least realize that you’re a shill the other way, right?

Allahpundit on August 19, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Hey, turkey neck Pelosi, can you tell me now what I am supposed to have read in the bill that will make me jump for joy.

rjoco1 on August 19, 2010 at 6:27 PM

The bill was online, in its current form, from September of 2009 until its passage. that you didn’t bother to read it is your own fault.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:22 PM

The bill wasn’t even written in final form until after the vote. I guess “You lie!” applies to you, too.

Vashta.Nerada on August 19, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Rostenkowski!

Inanemergencydial on August 19, 2010 at 6:29 PM

The bill was online, in its current form, from September of 2009 until its passage. That bill was passed by the Senate in December, after it had been online for several months, and then that same bill was passed in March by the House, which was what everyone was all angry about. The bill was available for public reading for nearly half a year. The fact that you didn’t bother to read it is your own fault.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:22 PM

You keep telling yourself that. Maybe you’ll get some sleep between now and November.

That “Bill” was changing every day. So much so that nobody knew what was in it.

portlandon on August 19, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Vashta.Nerada on August 19, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Come on now!!!! It’s not like Pelosi said something like ‘We need to pass this bill to find out what’s in it’ or anything.

BigWyo on August 19, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Oh my.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:14 PM

You’re going to need a Brawny Towel to catch all those tears.

portlandon on August 19, 2010 at 6:32 PM

No one should be denied coverage becuase of a pre-existing problem.

And this is why the stupid party can’t make any headway against the socialist morons.

Taxpayers want solutions to real problems and every problem the stupid party fails to address allows gives the socialist morons a handle to pull just what they did with Obamacare.

Instead of a fix for a serious, SPECIFIC problem within the context of healthcare (one that effects everyone), the Republicans do nothing.

rickyricardo on August 19, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Oh sure, except for the 70+ changes made to crucial language in the bill after being passed, and constantly amended without due process during the entire course of its existence right up to the minute it was voted upon.

So yeah if you didn’t mind reading the entire 2,000 page bill every day to see the new changes from the night before, then yes you were always up to date.

Bishop on August 19, 2010 at 6:32 PM

That “Bill” was changing every day. So much so that nobody knew what was in it.

portlandon on August 19, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Thanks to Palin … everyone knew one thing that was in it. In fact, I credit her with getting people interested in the bill.

darwin on August 19, 2010 at 6:32 PM

I know how to improve it. Get rid of it and start again.

jeanie on August 19, 2010 at 6:33 PM

The bill was online, in its current form, from September of 2009 until its passage.
Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Hang on, I’ve seen the truth in this…Was it a pdf??? Word?? Or just plain old paper???

BigWyo on August 19, 2010 at 6:33 PM

Actually if we had Al Qaeda terrorists running this country, exercising Sharia Law, it would be better managed than Obama and his team of chimerical misfits who are 100% at only one thing-being wrong.

MaiDee on August 19, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Hmmmm….

I wonder how “You Lie!” T-shirts would do in a head to head competition with the Bush “Miss me yet?” T-shirts.

Vashta.Nerada on August 19, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Thanks to Palin … everyone knew one thing that was in it. In fact, I credit her with getting people interested in the bill.

darwin on August 19, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Very True. As the stench of this ObamaCare wafts out of the tent for all to see, Palin knew what it was and labeled it as such.

DEATH PANEL.

portlandon on August 19, 2010 at 6:35 PM

… yeah, that should make a good campaign ad.

Seven Percent Solution on August 19, 2010 at 6:25 PM

Seven Percent Solution: Brilliant,yup,keep em’ a com’n!:)

canopfor on August 19, 2010 at 6:39 PM

By the way, this is the biggest nothing story ever. I can’t emphasize how meaningless this crap is. But August is a slow news month and there’s no new Ground Zero Mosque story, so let’s put it up there in BIG RED LETTERS and see what sticks. Oh my.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:14 PM

It’s not a “nothing” story when your masters try to lie for the 4th and 5th time to the public, on same topic.

Also, you have not received your PC talking points, yet, today. The AP no longer allows it to be called the “Ground Zero Mosque”. Thou will be shunned, by yours.

———-
I printed the presentation out.

The chain and lock are as stupid as Obama’s “driving car” metaphor.

The entire product is so simplistic – was paid for by our taxes?

The bifurcation of “Failure or Success” is ‘precious.

The big fat lie in it – “highlight that Members of Congress will participate in the same plan”.

I don’t know what “members” they refer to, but the hacks excempted themselves from the plan.

All in all the presentation assumes that all people are stupid, and wishes to encourage benefitting from this fact.

Proud Rino, your side is expert in impertinence. You should be ashamed and run away.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2010 at 6:40 PM

I will wait until Richard Simmons tells me what to think !

macncheez on August 19, 2010 at 6:40 PM

You’re going to need a Brawny Towel to catch all those tears.

portlandon on August 19, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Why? Because the Democrats are going to get crushed? That’s not news. Of course they’re going to get crushed. The economy sucks and they’ve either not done enough or done too much, depending on your worldview, and have failed to fix it. They’ll have lower turnout among their base, and moderate persuadable voters are going to say, “I don’t know why the economy sucks, but Democrats sure aren’t doing anything to help,” and they’ll vote Republican.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Pelosi and Reid “might seem a little wierd” but no. They are not all right.

Please don’t ruin Cheap Trick for me. “Green Police” was bad enough.

rihar on August 19, 2010 at 6:41 PM

By the way: I know you think our regular commenters are all party shills, but you at least realize that you’re a shill the other way, right?

Allahpundit on August 19, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Allahpundit: How about (an idea?)that a post per day,
till November,of past Liberal schemes!!

Past Scheme of the Day,I dunno,just a thought!:)

canopfor on August 19, 2010 at 6:42 PM

And this is why the stupid party can’t make any headway against the socialist morons.

rickyricardo on August 19, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Because they aren’t quite socialist enough themselves?

exception on August 19, 2010 at 6:42 PM

No one should be denied coverage becuase of a pre-existing problem.
And this is why the stupid party can’t make any headway against the socialist morons.

Taxpayers want solutions to real problems and every problem the stupid party fails to address allows gives the socialist morons a handle to pull just what they did with Obamacare.

Instead of a fix for a serious, SPECIFIC problem within the context of healthcare (one that effects everyone), the Republicans do nothing.

Another lie.

In roughly 35 states there are high risk pools that guarantee coverage for people with pre-existing conditions. They were supported by the Bush Administration. The other states have guaranteed issue (a mistake because premiums in those states are un-freaking-believeable) or an insurer of last resort. Federal law has REQUIRED that states make provision for the uninsurable for over a decade. The high risk pools work well. The ObamaCare high risk pool that sought to imitate them and was the Dems big gesture towards the uninsurable, it an underfunded, poorly designed, administrative disaster.

secant on August 19, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:40 PM

This is how we got Obama.

Horse-race politics.

Oh, and oodles of ignorance.

Inanemergencydial on August 19, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Oh sure, except for the 70+ changes made to crucial language in the bill after being passed, and constantly amended without due process during the entire course of its existence right up to the minute it was voted upon.

So yeah if you didn’t mind reading the entire 2,000 page bill every day to see the new changes from the night before, then yes you were always up to date.

Bishop on August 19, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Yeah, the problem was that the minor changes in the bill that were made really altered everything. You must have read the original bill in 2009 and just decided you didn’t feel like keeping up with the extremely minor changes, and therefore you completely lost track of what’s in it. Give me a break.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:44 PM

This is how we got Obama.

Horse-race politics.

Oh, and oodles of ignorance.

Inanemergencydial on August 19, 2010 at 6:44 PM

That’s totally true.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Barry said they’d spend this summer ’selling’ ObamaCare. So far I haven’t seen any “salesmen”.

GarandFan on August 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM

So far, ObaMao has only been selling cars and clunkers stuck in ditches.

onlineanalyst on August 19, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Because they aren’t quite socialist enough themselves?

Nonsense. Let problems fester and you allow the opposition to dictate the game plan.

The Republicans can either address peoples concerns in a serious way or ignore them and surrender the field.

Pre-existing conditions has been a festering problem for decades.

rickyricardo on August 19, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Thanks to this post’s update video I shall always equate a thousand Japanese girls in Budokan screaming “LOBBIN ZANDAHHHH!” with ObamaCare messaging from now on.

ScottMcC on August 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM

and moderate persuadable voters are going to say, “I don’t know why the economy sucks, but Democrats sure aren’t doing anything to help,” and they’ll vote Republican.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:40 PM

My wife and I had a job almost every day of Bill Clinton’s Second Term. We prospered and thrived.

My wife and I had a job Every day of George W Bush’s First and Second Term. We prospered and thrived.

My wife is unemployed and My job is teetering on the abyss during the first 2 years of the Obama Administration. We struggle and are weary.

You’re damned right people are going to vote Republican, because the alternative will be complete collapse. Obama’s own rhetoric will be his own undoing.

portlandon on August 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Should we toss all of Obama’s economists in jail for lying?

seven on August 19, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Congressman Issa will be a household name in 2011. It will be cursed every night on the MSM when they say, “New subpeoneas from Congressman Issa have been handed down today to ….” I hope several of them are to Obama’s economists.
Q: “Did you lie or are you just stupid?”
A: “On the advice of counsel I assert my 5th amendment right against self-incrimination.”

barnone on August 19, 2010 at 6:48 PM

canopfor on August 19, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Thank you kindly! It calmed me down a bit. I swear my head is going to explode before November! Must remember to breathe.

redwhiteblue on August 19, 2010 at 6:48 PM

BUT KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF HEALTHCARE, right? NO GOVERNMENT ON MY MEDICARE, etc. I guess people only like freedom when you’re free to do whatever they want you to.

By the way, this is the biggest nothing story ever. I can’t emphasize how meaningless this crap is. But August is a slow news month and there’s no new Ground Zero Mosque story, so let’s put it up there in BIG RED LETTERS and see what sticks. Oh my.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Your tears continue to be delicious, PR. Even better than a skinwich.

Good Solid B-Plus on August 19, 2010 at 6:48 PM

The bill that was online was not the bill passed. I forget who the sponsor of that bill was but it was rejected and replaced with the Harry Reid bill shortly before the vote.

tommyboy on August 19, 2010 at 6:49 PM

this just keeps getting better and better…..or worse and worse, depends on your perspective.

ted c on August 19, 2010 at 6:50 PM

BURN THE BILL

faraway on August 19, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Who’s the pubic?

MadisonConservative on August 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Huh ???
I can elaborate..if permitted
;-)

macncheez on August 19, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Since we’re doin’ the cheap trick, this one’s for the ladies!

abobo on August 19, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Slightly off topic but the use of stimulus funds for the arts is just wrong.

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2010/aug/19/arts-being-supported-stimulus-funds-ar-199694/

CWforFreedom on August 19, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Such minor changes that the demorats on committee didn’t bother informing their GOP counterparts of what was occurring. You do understand how even changing a word from “should” to “shall” can make a gigantic difference?

“Don’t worry” they said, “the changes are minor.”

You can try this minor change thing at home: Get your bank statement, look at how much you have in checking, move the decimal point one place to the left, and then tell me how minor that was.

Bishop on August 19, 2010 at 6:52 PM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Your tears continue to be delicious, PR. Even better than a skinwich.

Good Solid B-Plus on August 19, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Love watching trolls meltdown.

In this economy ya gotta wonder if they can even afford to stop trolling and give up that extra cash coming from Obama HQ?

sharrukin on August 19, 2010 at 6:53 PM

Federal law has REQUIRED that states make provision for the uninsurable for over a decade.

There have been NO provisions with people who are partially insured with exclusions for pre-existing conditions.

Tens of thousands of responsible people who otherwise shell out big bucks and obtain insurance end up getting thrown into bankruptcy because of exclusions. The list of exclusions are endless.

You visited the doc for a sinus problem? Well, we won’t cover that, but you can still shell out 300 per month for the other stuff. Your kidney stone that happened 4 years ago? Sorry, we won’t cover kidney stones…etc..etc.

This is a serious problem and the Republicans have ignored a glaring problem that could of gained them the gratitude of hundreds of thousands of people.

Instead they ignore the problem.

rickyricardo on August 19, 2010 at 6:54 PM

Your tears continue to be delicious, PR. Even better than a skinwich.

Good Solid B-Plus on August 19, 2010 at 6:48 PM

True. Because something called “The Herndon Alliance” is telling politicians not to push the projected cost cutting benefits of a piece of legislation I’m pretty agnostic on for reasons we don’t know, since all we got was a fricking powerpoint presentation, I’m sobbing uncontrollably because Democrats are going to get creamed, which they would regardless of what polls well with regard to HCR or whether the bill itself is terrific or terrible. Yep, I’m just inconsolable over here.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM

Love watching trolls meltdown.

sharrukin on August 19, 2010 at 6:53 PM

It’s sad. HA would actually be pretty easy to troll very effectively, but trolls here are hit-or-miss. The biggest messes here come from incidental self-trolling of normal commenters.

exception on August 19, 2010 at 6:56 PM

Love watching trolls meltdown.

In this economy ya gotta wonder if they can even afford to stop trolling and give up that extra cash coming from Obama HQ?

sharrukin on August 19, 2010 at 6:53 PM

Now who does this remind us of ?

(Gets yummy after 1:00 min mark)

macncheez on August 19, 2010 at 6:59 PM

tim c: Bingo,the RIGHT needs to be REMINDED of this TWO
YEAR LIBERAL WRECKING BALL!!!!!

canopfor on August 19, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Nope. It has been a four-year wrecking ball since the Dems took over in January 2007. (When Barry the Magnificent was in the Senate, voting present!) And the Republicans had better drive this point home repeatedly.

onlineanalyst on August 19, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Of course anyone with a brain and a third grade education knew this bill was going to do nothing but inflate costs, but it is just pitiful, the amount of lies we’ve been told. I trust what this administration says about as much as I would the leaders of North Korea or Iran.

scalleywag on August 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM

Instead, the presentation is designed to win over a skeptical public

If they can’t win over the public after a year of staged white house rally’s, a compliant media, Democrats stacking their town halls with Union friendlies, fishy.gov, & Yosi Sargent’s NEA, they got no where to run…

TN Mom on August 19, 2010 at 7:04 PM

Now who does this remind us of ?

(Gets yummy after 1:00 min mark)

macncheez on August 19, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Good up until the song started. A little too soft for my taste.

sharrukin on August 19, 2010 at 7:05 PM

Nope. It has been a four-year wrecking ball since the Dems took over in January 2007. (When Barry the Magnificent was in the Senate, voting present!) And the Republicans had better drive this point home repeatedly.

onlineanalyst on August 19, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Thank you!

Why is it the left is allowed to pretend that they did not control Congress the last two years of Bush’s 2nd term?

Coincidentally those two years were crappy -hmmmmm.

CWforFreedom on August 19, 2010 at 7:06 PM

In other words: We sold you a bill of goods, but trust us, we’ll make it right.

Would you give more of your business to a used car salesman who did this to you?

Socratease on August 19, 2010 at 7:08 PM

portlandon on August 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM

For the first time since high school I have two jobs to make ends meet (I’m single) and I feel guilty every day that my second job deprives someone unemployed from having just one.

scalleywag on August 19, 2010 at 7:10 PM

TN Mom on August 19, 2010 at 7:04 PM

roger that. They only thing they’ve got left to do is look for a soft place to land.

tommyboy on August 19, 2010 at 7:12 PM

great tune.

Luvs them ABBA gals though

ted c on August 19, 2010 at 7:13 PM

For the first time since high school I have two jobs to make ends meet (I’m single) and I feel guilty every day that my second job deprives someone unemployed from having just one.

scalleywag on August 19, 2010 at 7:10 PM

Americans won’t do that 2nd job.

/s

CWforFreedom on August 19, 2010 at 7:15 PM

Can I get a woop woop?

madmonkphotog on August 19, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Pre-existing conditions has been a festering problem for decades.

rickyricardo on August 19, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Oh Lucy! It’s time to call someone on this.

Hey Ricky! You’re so fine, tell me what you define as a preexisting condition in regards to medical coverage.

Does this mean that there is absolutely no coverage available for you at all? Does it mean that you were born with this condition? Does it mean that insurance companies have to have some way to keep premiums going up for everyone else because people wait to get coverage until they need it?

Just give me all of the nuance involved here.

(Hey! I got to use nuance in a sentence!)

Vince on August 19, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Anyone who believes this health care bill has anything to do with healthcare is only fooling themselves…

rightside on August 19, 2010 at 7:20 PM

rickyricardo on August 19, 2010 at 6:54 PM

Durn! I should have read further down before I asked you about preexisting conditions. Your post at 6:54 proves you don’t know what you are talking about!

Vince on August 19, 2010 at 7:22 PM

Vince on August 19, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Don’t answer, ricky. Vincent van Vitriol is setting a trap.

Dark-Star on August 19, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Problem is – no amount of talk, or “spin”, or explaining will get them out of their current hole.

Example – you’re an airplane pilot and your altimeter says you’re at 3,500 feet … then suddenly you have to pull back on the stick to avoid steeple on a one story church. Then – you find that your compass – which was supposed to be leading you to St. Louis – is actually got you headed for Orlando.

What’s happening here is the Democrats are the altimeter and the MSM is the compass – and the American voter have concluded that the altimeter and the compass are broke (dangerously so) – and, correctly – they’re falling back to navigation by what they can see and feel.

The compass and the altimeter keep reporting their information – but the pilot … the American people … aren’t trusting them anymore.

This is a problem of LOST CREDIBILITY – it’s why your Mom and Dad beat it into your head that your reputation for telling the truth was to be guarded with your very life – or you would become untrustworthy and irrelevant in this world.

I guess the Democrats had parents that “emphasized” other lessons though. :D

HondaV65 on August 19, 2010 at 7:24 PM

roger that. They only thing they’ve got left to do is look for a soft place to land.

tommyboy on August 19, 2010 at 7:12 PM

Yep. A big stinkin pile they crapped behind closed doors.

TN Mom on August 19, 2010 at 7:29 PM

I guess Sen. Kay Hagan (NC) hasn’t gotten the memo yet. She’s still pretty proud of her vote for the chirrun. She got schooled yesterday!

hoosiermama on August 19, 2010 at 7:42 PM

canopfor on August 19, 2010 at 6:22 PM
=======================================
Thank you kindly! It calmed me down a bit. I swear my head is going to explode before November! Must remember to breathe.

redwhiteblue on August 19, 2010 at 6:48 PM

redwhiteblue:Pace yourself,yes I hear ya,November Liberal
Doom acome’th—————:)

canopfor on August 19, 2010 at 7:43 PM

The presentation also concedes that the fiscal and economic arguments that were the White House’s first and most aggressive sales pitch have essentially failed…

Passed in the dead of night on Christmas Eve, the American citizens were not only lied to by Congress and the CBO, they were lied to by the President of the United States—all cowards in their own right. Repeal is suddenly looking better and so is November. Pack your bags you liberal scums.

(stronger message to follow)

Rovin on August 19, 2010 at 7:47 PM

rickyricardo on August 19, 2010 at 6:54 PM

I hear your frustration, but shouldn’t this issue be hammered with your state regulatory commission on insurance? Are you describing a problem that HMOs created for their subscribers?

One of the problems that MA has had with its mandatory insurance program is that people were not purchasing insurance until a problem arose. Another is that the coverage included so many mandates for coverage instead of options for degree of coverage that costs rose. As a result, insurers had to raise their premiums. When the governor tried to impose cost controls on the insurance companies, the companies went bankrupt.

I like the idea of health savings accounts, portability of health insurance from job to job or from state to state, the allowance of insurers across state lines, and tort reform that disallows exhorbitant settlements and eliminates the need for health providers to prescribe multiple medical tests as part of a defense against such suits.

At the “health summit” at the Blair House, Rep. Ryan offered such solutions, and they were far fewer than 2,000 pages worth of bureaucracy.

onlineanalyst on August 19, 2010 at 7:48 PM

By the way, this is the biggest nothing story ever. I can’t emphasize how meaningless this crap is. But August is a slow news month and there’s no new Ground Zero Mosque story, so let’s put it up there in BIG RED LETTERS and see what sticks. Oh my.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:14 PM

You are dumber than a Box of Baraques.

darwin-t on August 19, 2010 at 7:53 PM

They cannot walk back what they have done, Obamacare is just one part of it. People do get a bit cranky when they are told and treated like they are stupid everyday. The only thing I can thank Barry and the Dems for is finally waking up the electorate and uniting us against their Marxist ways!

bluemarlin on August 19, 2010 at 7:54 PM

Democrats poured windshield fluid in the oil reservoir and tanked the economy. They saw the engine was over-heating and abandoned the car on the side of the road.

TN Mom on August 19, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Why? Because the Democrats are going to get crushed? That’s not news. Of course they’re going to get crushed. The economy sucks and they’ve either not done enough or done too much, depending on your worldview, and have failed to fix it.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Awwww, those poor Dems are innocent bystanders getting hammered on the economy. The economy sucks in large part because of the way the Democrats have (mis)governed.

ddrintn on August 19, 2010 at 8:06 PM

I don’t want in improved. I want it gone, and replaced with something a lot smaller and more honest.

hachiban on August 19, 2010 at 8:09 PM

…the entire 2,000 page bill…
 
Bishop on August 19, 2010 at 6:32 PM

 
It took a lot of pages to make sure we’re all treated differently.

rogerb on August 19, 2010 at 8:38 PM

“Improve” is a lefty codeword for single payer.

Sven on August 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Obamacare will be the end of all TV medical dramas. Who wants to watch long lines, bureaucracy & death panels? Bye bye House & Grey’s Anatomy:(

HellCat on August 19, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Awwww, those poor Dems are innocent bystanders getting hammered on the economy. The economy sucks in large part because of the way the Democrats have (mis)governed.

ddrintn on August 19, 2010 at 8:06 PM

Reading fail.


The economy sucks and they’ve either not done enough or done too much, depending on your worldview, and have failed to fix it.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Update: From the comments: “So, their big argument for why they should be re-elected is that they promise to fix the horrible legislation they lied to us about and passed over the public’s very vocal objections. Good luck with that.”

This would be brilliant except for this.

davo on August 19, 2010 at 9:25 PM

Awwww, those poor Dems are innocent bystanders getting hammered on the economy. The economy sucks in large part because of the way the Democrats have (mis)governed.

ddrintn on August 19, 2010 at 8:06 PM

Reading fail.

The economy sucks and they’ve either not done enough or done too much, depending on your worldview, and have failed to fix it.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Your own reading fail. This economy belongs to the Democrats. It’s not a question of having “done too much or done too little, depending on your worldview” or of “fixing it”.

ddrintn on August 19, 2010 at 9:28 PM

Your own reading fail. This economy belongs to the Democrats.

ddrintn on August 19, 2010 at 9:28 PM

I don’t understand. So are you saying that the economic crisis that began around 2007 actually ended with Obama’s inauguration, and then we had an entirely different economic crisis, or are you saying that once Obama got inaugurated, everything that happened bad in the economy in the past is to be blamed on Democrats, because they currently control government. I’m just trying to wrap my head around whatever mindbendingly stupid thing you believe.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 9:48 PM

I don’t understand.

Big surprise there.

So are you saying that the economic crisis that began around 2007 actually ended with Obama’s inauguration,

LOL…

and then we had an entirely different economic crisis, or are you saying that once Obama got inaugurated, everything that happened bad in the economy in the past is to be blamed on Democrats, because they currently control government. I’m just trying to wrap my head around whatever mindbendingly stupid thing you believe.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 9:48 PM

We already know that economics isn’t your strong suit. Just don’t try, OK?

ddrintn on August 19, 2010 at 10:10 PM

I don’t understand. So are you saying that the economic crisis that began around 2007 actually ended with Obama’s inauguration, and then we had an entirely different economic crisis, or are you saying that once Obama got inaugurated, everything that happened bad in the economy in the past is to be blamed on Democrats, because they currently control government. I’m just trying to wrap my head around whatever mindbendingly stupid thing you believe.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 9:48 PM

It doesn’t matter when it began or who started it – what matters in the minds of voters is that Obama and his cronies promised that their policies would fix it, and well, they haven’t. In fact, one could argue quite credibly that had they not passed one stinking bill since January ’09, that we’d be better of than we are now. They found the car in ditch and instead of “driving it out” the set in on fire, after stripping it of course. Obama and the Dems have made our problems exponentially worse, and anyone that would argue otherwise is a moron or delusional as there is no third choice.

You’ve said before that you’re a lawyer, so unless you work for the Feds (my apologies if true) it is a FACT that you WILL make less money in real dollars under Obama’s policies. You WILL pay higher taxes under their legislation and you WILL see a decrease in your net worth. Period. And that’s why their losses will be epic.

volnation on August 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Obamacare will be the end of all TV medical dramas. Who wants to watch long lines, bureaucracy & death panels? Bye bye House & Grey’s Anatomy:(

HellCat on August 19, 2010 at 9:19 PM

So you’re saying that there IS some good that will come from Obamacare?

;)

malclave on August 19, 2010 at 10:18 PM

BUT KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF HEALTHCARE, right? NO GOVERNMENT ON MY MEDICARE, etc. I guess people only like freedom when you’re free to do whatever they want you to.
Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 6:14 PM

You seriously misread or failed to understand the basic message here.
It’s ‘Hey Obama, Hey Reid, Hey Pelosi, we have been around a long time our BS meters are real good and you’re full of it!
Keep you’re lying, incompetent hands off MY MEDICARE!

Makes sense now, don’t it.

DSchoen on August 19, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Any idiot should be able to run against and beat these Democrats. Do we have enough?

faraway on August 19, 2010 at 10:35 PM

a baseball player is looking at 30 years in prison for lying to a bunch of politicians

And the lying politicians walk scott-free.

disa on August 19, 2010 at 10:48 PM

“Improve” is a lefty codeword for single payer.
Sven on August 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM

It is?
I thought “Improve” is a lefty codeword for “lets see how many morons we can fool on this one LOL”

DSchoen on August 19, 2010 at 11:21 PM

I don’t understand. So are you saying that the economic crisis that began around 2007 actually ended with Obama’s inauguration,

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Who controlled the purse-strings in 2007, you habitually mendacious time-wasting jerk?

Do you think people don’t notice when you do things like claim Obamacare, as passed, was available online in its final form before it was passed, and then you have to walk it back later without *looking* like you’re walking it back because you’re just a clumsy liar?

Who controlled the damned purse strings in 2007? What Party? Do you know?

Merovign on August 19, 2010 at 11:26 PM

She got schooled yesterday!
hoosiermama on August 19, 2010 at 7:42 PM

That one should go viral, I wonder why they disabled the comment section? Humm?

DSchoen on August 19, 2010 at 11:31 PM

HondaV65 on August 19, 2010 at 7:24 PM

So basically “AHARS” is AFU, “Gimbal lock” and the “Flux valve” is malfunctioning?
Also need the MSM taken out to the Rose and swung?

DSchoen on August 19, 2010 at 11:47 PM

No one should be denied coverage becuase of a pre-existing problem.

Says who? Who appointed you the CEO of private businesses all over the U.S.? Maybe you should stop telling other businesses what they have to do, and start your own health insurance company so you can cover whoever the heck you want.

Pre-existing conditions has been a festering problem for decades.

rickyricardo

And yet, somehow, pretty much everyone with a pre-existing condition manages to get coverage if they want it. Go figure.

xblade on August 20, 2010 at 2:39 AM

BURN THE BILL

faraway on August 19, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Oh now we can’t have that! It might increase our carbon footprint dontcha know!

;-)

Yakko77 on August 20, 2010 at 2:55 AM

And yet, somehow, pretty much everyone with a pre-existing condition manages to get coverage if they want it. Go figure.

Yeah, go figure; they get insurance but all of their pre-existing problems are excluded for 5 years or the life of the policy.

Go figure.

rickyricardo on August 20, 2010 at 3:32 AM

Barry, can you smell Rome burning from Martha’s Vineyard? It’s all over for you. Enjoy the Senior Golf Tour.

BHO Jonestown on August 20, 2010 at 4:00 AM

I know how to improve it. Get rid of it and start again.

jeanie on August 19, 2010 at 6:33 PM

FIXED.

fossten on August 20, 2010 at 4:19 AM

Pelosi and Reid “might seem a little wierd” but no. They are not all right.

Please don’t ruin Cheap Trick for me. “Green Police” was bad enough.

rihar on August 19, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Actually, for Pelosi, I’m thinking more Rob Zombie’s Living Dead Girl. Still haven’t figured out a good one for Reid. We could always use Ozzie Ozbourne’s Crazy Train for congress itself.

jackal40 on August 20, 2010 at 6:43 AM

That “Bill” was changing every day. So much so that nobody knew what was in it.

portlandon on August 19, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Don, you are absolutely correct. I tracked and read most of the different versions, but it was hard to keep up!

AP, IMHO this story is HUGE. The dems are admitting Obamunistcare is a disaster and that they know it.

dogsoldier on August 20, 2010 at 7:00 AM

I don’t understand. So are you saying that the economic crisis that began around 2007 actually ended with Obama’s inauguration, and then we had an entirely different economic crisis, or are you saying that once Obama got inaugurated, everything that happened bad in the economy in the past is to be blamed on Democrats, because they currently control government. I’m just trying to wrap my head around whatever mindbendingly stupid thing you believe.

Proud Rino on August 19, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Wow, talk about ignorance. The current mess started allll the way back during Clinton’s term by way of the CRA, Barney Frank and Janet Reno threatening banks to make loans to people who had no chance of paying them back.

As others point out, dems took over congress in 2007 and made matters worse by blocking any attempt to look into fannie and freddy. There’s plenty of video of Barney saying what great shape they were in and there were no problems.

I guess you sorta missed all that.

dogsoldier on August 20, 2010 at 7:06 AM

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