Giuliani: If dialogue and sensitivity are the goals, don’t build the mosque on Ground Zero
posted at 10:55 am on August 19, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Rudy Giuliani took on Matt Lauer, his successor as Mayor, and apparently Nancy Pelosi’s thought police to argue against the building of the Ground Zero mosque. Giuliani acknowledged, as most of the project’s opponents do, that the owners of the property have a right to build anything within the zoning regulations at the site. Giuliani doesn’t call for government intervention, either. But he calls for the same kind of sensitivity that the Pope showed in pushing to move a convent in the vicinity of Auschwitz to a less provocative location as a way to foster actual healing, dialogue, and understanding:
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Giuliani wonders whether Rauf can even get the money necessary to move forward with the project. The imam will travel abroad soon, on the State Department’s dime, but may not find receptive audiences. One of the most influential institutions in Sunni Islam, Egypt’s Al Azhar, considers the entire idea a Zionist plot to tie Islam to 9/11, according to Pajamas Media (via Instapundit):
A number of Al Azhar ulema expressed their opposition to building a mosque near [where] the events of September 11 [occurred], convinced that it is “a conspiracy to confirm a clear connection between the strikes of September [11] and Islam.” Dr. ‘Abd al-Mu‘ti Bayumi, a member of the Islamic Research Academy [of Al Azhar] told Al Masry Al Youm that he rejects the building of any mosque in this area [Ground Zero], because the “devious mentality” desires to connect these events [of 9/11] with Islam, though he maintains that Islam is innocent of this accusation. Instead, it is a “Zionist conspiracy,” which many are making use of to harm the religion. Likewise, Dr. Amna Nazir, professor of doctrine and philosophy at Al Azhar, expressed her rejection that a mosque be built near the World Trade Center, saying: “Building a mosque on this rubble indicates bad intention — even if we wished to shut our eyes, close our minds, and insist on good will. I hope it is a sincere step, and not a new conspiracy against Islam and Muslims.”
Raymond Ibrahim wonders in his column:
Now, here’s the question: if Al Azhar scholars are fully aware of how detrimental the erection of a 9/11 mosque can be, why are American Muslims (such as of the Cordoba Initiative) still relentlessly pursuing it?
The motivation may wind up being secondary to means. If Rauf can’t raise $100 million, the project’s not going anywhere, regardless of the motives behind it.
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Obama’s brothers succeed, apace.
Schadenfreude on May 1, 2013 at 6:41 PM
The Arab ‘spring’ blooms…icicles.
Schadenfreude on May 1, 2013 at 6:42 PM
Obama’s boos
tom daschle concerned on May 1, 2013 at 6:42 PM
Well, what a fun group these folks are! Can we please import some more?
Cindy Munford on May 1, 2013 at 6:42 PM
I meant bat face’s boos
tom daschle concerned on May 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM
Its ok though. Because they also believe in “religious freedom” and Shari’a law.
Go figure.
In the meantime, best judge by how they act and not what they say. Because the results of this survey are teh crazy.
novaculus on May 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM
Wow! Who would have thought that 64% of the Egyptian population was composed of radical Islamists!
NavyMustang on May 1, 2013 at 6:44 PM
As the song goes “Freedoms’ just another word, for nothing left to lose, but your life is you don’t believe like me.”
LincolntheHun on May 1, 2013 at 6:44 PM
So long, Muslim World, and thanks for all the fish!
Resist We Much on May 1, 2013 at 6:46 PM
Lone wolves.
Ronnie on May 1, 2013 at 6:46 PM
Moozies just need a reason to kill.
Let’s import more of them from around the world ,
and put them on welfare …
burrata on May 1, 2013 at 6:46 PM
I support the death penalty for Muslims who leave Islamic countries.
Charlemagne on May 1, 2013 at 6:47 PM
So? Apostasy is a death penalty offense in the political ideology of islam. That is what islam is all about. You can check in but you can never leave. Blood in/blood out.
Since we’re on the topic, placing any intercalary into the calendar to sync their primitive system with the solar year is also a death penalty offense. islam demands primitivity in its cannon-fodder adherents.
Now, go kiss the ground 5 times a day you islamic slugs to constantly remind yourselves how insignificant you are and how your only utility to islam and the world is as self-exploding weapons of the most backward, belligerent, aggressive, insane, violent political ideology to ever appear on the planet – and that’s saying something.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 1, 2013 at 6:48 PM
EgyptianGoons have spoken!!
canopfor on May 1, 2013 at 6:48 PM
You mean personal liberty and property rights, don’t you?
BobMbx on May 1, 2013 at 6:49 PM
Bad news for Steve Centani.
vityas on May 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Hey, let’s send them boatloads of money. Libya and Syria, too. What could possibly go wrong?
Philly on May 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Any reason will do, even if they have to make one up to satisfy their blood lust.
islam isn’t a religion it’s a perverse death cult.
hawkeye54 on May 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Islam, the Religion of Peace™ You’ll love it or we’ll
give you your money backdisembowel you in the public square and feed your entrails to the vultures!cynccook on May 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Well, I’m just glad the Religion of Peace® is tolerant, otherwise someone might get hurt.
rbj on May 1, 2013 at 6:51 PM
And American liberals think 100% of those who disagree with them need to be banned from the airwaves, and/or otherwise gotten rid of.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:53 PM
In other news: 64% of Liberals in America support prison sentence for not supporting the current government
beatcanvas on May 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM
I’d hate to be that 34% that choose “poorly”.
Flange on May 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM
So did Barry leave Islam???
albill on May 1, 2013 at 6:55 PM
Edited for accuracy.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 6:56 PM
The other 32%,me thinks,they’ve already been be-headed!
(sarc)
canopfor on May 1, 2013 at 6:58 PM
My math, by the way, has a +/- of 2.
Flange on May 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM
Don’t misinterpret this. They totally believe in religious freedom. Everyone in Egypt is free to convert to Islam or not. Muslims are free to convert to another religion, too.
Of course, the wrong choice is punishable by death. But you’re free to choose death if you want to …..
There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:06 PM
Not much different from modern American liberalism.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:09 PM
Soooo, not even Islamic extremists are worried about the so-called “Christian sharia” or “Christian Taliban.” Must be a fear exclusive to RINOs and progressives.
There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:11 PM
Math is hard.
So is English.
That’s relatively good news.
itsnotaboutme on May 1, 2013 at 7:13 PM
Subhumans.
VorDaj on May 1, 2013 at 7:15 PM
Screw it! Let`s just seize the oil fields, carpet bomb Af/Pak, Iran and call it a day.
ThePrez on May 1, 2013 at 7:15 PM
the religion of peace…
burserker on May 1, 2013 at 7:16 PM
Time for our leaders to tell them about the “big tent” theory of multicultural and spiritual diversity?
IlikedAUH2O on May 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM
Obama left islam. Pass it on.
Ronnie on May 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM
You know, it’s funny. If America wanted to be truly imperialistic, we could have made it happen between 1946 and 1954. And no one could have stopped us.
But we didn’t go that route.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM
With all things Islamic, 99.9999% of Muslims are making the rest look bad.
VorDaj on May 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM
Not so as you’d notice.
“The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam!”
VorDaj on May 1, 2013 at 7:24 PM
Liberals are the ones who destroyed all of JFK’s visions.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:25 PM
Islam, the
religioncultgang of death.What’s not to like?
/’The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam’.
- Obama, Sep 25, 2012, Addressing the U.N. General Assembly
Paul-Cincy on May 1, 2013 at 7:26 PM
I think a better subtitle would have been, “Why a simple democracy should be feared.”
shick on May 1, 2013 at 7:28 PM
and
Thought it was the same question, I suppose.
socalcon on May 1, 2013 at 7:28 PM
Imperialism just doesn’t work for us. Instead of colonies, we have territories, and we keep offering them the chance to become full states. Most of them figure life is better as a territory, and turn us down.
There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM
Correction: “Another example of how a simple democracy is a bad thing.”
shick on May 1, 2013 at 7:32 PM
Yep. He can never go back.
slickwillie2001 on May 1, 2013 at 7:33 PM
I’m looking at it from the liberal lie that America is an imperialist nation.
We’re not.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:35 PM
If we’re an ‘empire’, we are the most generous and benign in human history.
We have literally fed the world.
But that is never good enough for liberals.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:37 PM
Legitimate religions do not have laws against apostasy.
Basilsbest on May 1, 2013 at 7:42 PM
How do they feel about homosexuality…?
/
Seven Percent Solution on May 1, 2013 at 7:47 PM
Oh, I agree. “Colonies” implies that we keep these possessions in subjugation. Instead, we offer them full citizenship and rights. They can become states if they want to.
It’s always amazed me that a college professor can rant about the U.S. being imperialistic, and no one ever points out the obvious: that that rhetoric only applies to nations that keep colonies. Basically, Europe.
There Goes the Neighborhood on May 1, 2013 at 7:48 PM
That doesn’t matter to liberals.
It’s about Republicans only.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:53 PM
It’s impossible to keep being liberal without lying to oneself.
That’s why liberals have to lie all the time.
Liam on May 1, 2013 at 7:55 PM
Which ones are the moderates?
farsighted on May 1, 2013 at 8:06 PM
From the WaPo Piece:
Difficult to ignore? You mean despite WaPo’s best efforts? “Less than flattering?” You can’t make this stuff up. How do these Wapo slime sleep at night.
Notice also how WaPo tries again at moral equivalence. You see, believing in the Islamic death penalty for apostasy is EXACTLY THE SAME as not knowing who the VP is.
Unbe-frickin-lievable. The whole write-up is filled with this kind of soft-balling. Over KILLING people.
WaPo attributes the write-up to “Max Fisher and the Washington Post Foreign Staff,” whatever that means. What a disgrace. On his facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/max.fisher.3760) he has listed as one of his favorite athletes Sarah Attar, that stupid Saudi broad who competed in the Olympics in full Muzzie garb, which was obviously a propaganda move by the Saudis. You can tell where this loser is coming from.
WhatSlushfund on May 1, 2013 at 8:08 PM
Poll: 70% of Muslims support same sex marriage. 80% support stoning to death homosexuals.
NotCoach on May 1, 2013 at 8:16 PM
Isn’t the president a Muslim apostate? He eschewed the religion of his father and his birth for Christianity (allegedly).
Philly on May 1, 2013 at 8:18 PM
Well, you need to identify them somehow, if you wanna stone them, right?
Valkyriepundit on May 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM
Phew!
I left the Catholic Church many years ago… Was probably mostly just too lazy to get up on Sundays and said I left because that nasty church wouldn’t let women be priests.
Then I realized that was just a lame-o excuse and went back.
Good thing they didn’t decide I needed killing cause I am really a pretty decent Catholic.
If a religion needs to impose a DEATH PENALTY for leaving…what more can be said????
marybel on May 1, 2013 at 8:31 PM
Exactly!
The problem with asking, “Do you believe in religious extremism” is it means different things to different people. In fact what would constitute normal everyday life here in America, like a woman walking around a beach in her bikini would be consider “extreme” in the Islamic world. The reverse is true too…like attacking and lynching gays in the Islamic world is normal, but would be considered extreme here in America.
It is funny how almost everything the progressives are pushing for like gay marriage, abortion, etc. the Islamic world hates, in a violent way, yet the first people to defend that world are progressives in order to be culturally sensitive.
Just like everything else they do….it is suicidally stupid.
William Eaton on May 1, 2013 at 9:12 PM
Shitholes that feature a religion that gets to blow us up over here.
Bad religion.
Immigration control please.
Sherman1864 on May 1, 2013 at 9:15 PM
Reminds me of this:
I’d like to tell you a very nice story. Once there was a Muslim who lived next to a Jew. The Muslim saw in the Jew a measure of goodheartedness – however small – and he wanted to find any way to make him convert to Islam. So he went to him and asked: “Don’t you feel the need for Islam? Why don’t you become a Muslim?” The Jew said: “The only thing preventing me from becoming a Muslim is that I love drinking alcohol. I would have become a Muslim ages ago, but the only thing stopping me is that I am an alcoholic.”
The Muslim devised a plan. He said: “No problem – become a Muslim, and continue to drink.” The Muslim didn’t meant this, of course, but he said to him: “Become a Muslim, and continue to drink.” The Jews said: “Fine.” He said: “I proclaim that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” The Muslim said to him: “Now you have become a Muslim. If you drink alcohol, we will carry out the punishment for drinking alcohol on you, and if you renounce Islam, we will kill you.” So the man remained a Muslim and never drank alcohol again. This was a nice trick by this good Muslim.
Mahmoud al-Masri, August 2009
rightmind on May 1, 2013 at 9:19 PM
Yeah, most Muslims don’t really go for the “I’ll pray for you” response.
Tzetzes on May 1, 2013 at 11:46 PM
Let’s assume that Obama, GWB, Clinton, GHWB, etc. ad-nausium are correct when they say that Islam is a religion of peace. Let’s take our leaders at their word.
Logically, then the violent jihadis can’t be Muslim! Therefore we stop treating the Gitmo prisoners and other terrorists as Muslims. Violent “muslim” criminals in US jails as well. They are infidels. Don’t give them copies of the Koran – they don’t need it since they are apostates. Don’t treat them with any sign of religious respect which otherwise would be due to peaceful Muslims. Feed them pork. If anything, shame them for their religious wickedness instead at every opportunity.
And let’s also create a modern support system in the US to protect all those who are truly peaceful Muslims as well as MINA (Muslims in name only) who adhere to Islam primarily to avoid violence threatened against them by these apostates.
For surely no peaceful religion would compel its adherents to comply under threats of violence in this world. Fear is not faith.
Rich H on May 1, 2013 at 11:59 PM
Good thing oblamo doesn’t have any trips planned to Egypt or Pakistan.
Of course, the penalty for just pretending not to be a muslim is probably not as harsh as actually leaving it. Probably something like having to spend a weekend with mcgilla.
acyl72 on May 2, 2013 at 7:37 AM
…Control of Egypt
…A terrorist group ‘credibility’
…The ability to make oppressive Shari’a Law Egypt’s Law
…The ability to persecute/kill Christians in Egypt
…$1.5 Billion
…24 new F-16 Fighter Jets
…200 brand new Tanks
…that is just some of what Obama has given the Muslim Brotherhood since he has been President….at tax-payer expence.
Just a suggestion, but perhaps – as a ‘Democracy’ that promotes ‘Democracy’ – one of our criteria for giving ANY nation ANY foreign aid, money, military weapons, ANYTHING should be ‘freedom’ for its people, protection for everyone (Christians, Jews, Islam, etc…)…and if they can’t/won’t/don’t give them ANYTHING. If they are getting aid from us & they begin oppressing their people the help/aid/cash/etc IMMEDIATELY STOPS! Call it a ‘carrot’ if you want, but a nation that advocates freedom should not continue to reward oppression, intolerance, hatred, terrorism, etc!
easyt65 on May 2, 2013 at 10:36 AM
Sooooooo….can we now officially admit that the term “Muslim Terrorist” is redundant???
And here’s an idea: How about denying visas, residency status, benefits, and citizenship to anyone who will not pledge himself to the principles contained in our Declaration of Independence?
landlines on May 2, 2013 at 4:37 PM