Pelosi: Gov’t should probe people opposed to Ground Zero mosque

posted at 9:30 am on August 18, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Of course!  What better way to defend the First Amendment freedom of religion than to have the Speaker of the House ask the federal government investigate those exercising their First Amendment right to free speech?  Nancy Pelosi just guaranteed at least two new news cycles for a story, tossing even more gasoline on the fire than Barack Obama’s pas de deux this weekend:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Tuesday said she supports an investigation into groups opposing the building of a mosque near ground zero in New York.

Pelosi told San Francisco’s KCBS radio that “there is no question there is a concerted effort to make this a political issue by some.”

“I join those who have called for looking into how is this opposition to the mosque being funded,” she said. “How is this being ginned up?”

Does that mean that Pelosi wants Harry Reid investigated, too?   Rep. Michael Arcuri (D-NY)?  This should be fun!

One might think that Pelsoi would want a peek at where the Park51 will be getting its funds to build the mosque, especially since the State Department is footing the bill for a tour conducted by the imam at the head of the project.  Instead, Pelosi wants the power of the government directed at people taking political positions.  That goes well beyond any supposed extremism by the mosque’s opponents, most (but not all) of whom acknowledge that the property owners have the right to build on their lot anything that meets code, but want to express their opposition to the plans.  Pelosi would take this opportunity to use the government as a thought police to silence dissent.

Incredibly, in the same interview, Pelosi also says this:

Still, Pelosi said she’d like to see the issue determined by New Yorkers and slip off the national stage.

Yes, and a federal probe into political speech will certainly accomplish that, Speaker Pelosi.  Is the leadership of the Democratic Party really this clueless all of the time, or did something get into the water system in Washington DC this past week?

Update: The Daily Kos gets one right on this issue.


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Should Muslims be allowed to visit ground zero?

What if a Muslim decided to pray at ground zero?

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM

One indication of winning an argument is when your opponent attempts to CHANGE the argument (move the goalposts).

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 12:02 PM

whatever the hell that non sequitur means.

Whenever something asinine is uttered, it is always convenient to question the recipient’s intelligence rather than engage in any substansive way and be proven an ignorant jackass. Apparently, it’s called the Rywall Principle.

nico on August 18, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Sure.

Just like I should be able to visit Mecca.

Oh wait, I recall Saudi Arabia as a wretched, miserable, malodorous dungheap. Why in hell would I wanna go back there?

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Hey could you post your research about how you came to the conclusion that there are enough mosques in Manhattan to service the Muslim population?

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Why would anyone build a mosque in a location that would force Muslims to drive past other mosques to get to it? Why would you build an Islamic “community center” when there isn’t a Muslim community to serve?

Oh, and Dave … why don’t you do your own research? That seems to be a consistent problem for leftist drones. They never do any research.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Hey could you post your research about how you came to the conclusion that there are enough mosques in Manhattan to service the Muslim population?

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Or you could do the research yourself rather than cheat off of me.

Esthier on August 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM

I read this and thought…. I bet Rush will lead with this story today. And he did!

jeffn21 on August 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Should Muslims be allowed to visit ground zero?
What if a Muslim decided to pray at ground zero?
Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Yes, and what if?
Question for you, Pelosi, Bloomberg, Obama, and all supporters of the GZ mosque: Let’s say a taped conversation was revealed in which the organizers of the mosque project were heard laughing over our “tolerance” and gloating over how the mosque will be a great victory monument to the Magnificent 19 and their successful mission, how it shows the supremacy of Islam and how it follows the Muslim tradition of building mosques over conquered territory. Indisputable evidence of everything the “bigoted haters” are saying about it. How would you feel about it then? Be honest.

Pervygrin on August 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Pelosi needs to resign.

mbs on August 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM. Nice retreat

and you are Canadian?

Good luck for you guys with your “diversity” efforts you probably looking at sharia law in thirty years

I had the displeasure of being grilled by a middle eastern Canadian border guard

I was kept out for meager sheet that for a buck can be redeemed

yep, Canada is gonna face dome fun in the future as the result of their leftist sheetbags commies

good luck!

Sonosam on August 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM

And they call Palin stupid.

Django on August 18, 2010 at 12:09 PM

“I join those who have called for looking into how is this opposition to the mosque being funded,” she said. “How is this being ginned up?”

I for one am glad that our Congress has nothing better to do than investigate those who oppose the death cult victory tower.

Economies booming, we’re running a surplus and everything is ship shape as far as foreign relations are concerned.

Splendid work, Democrats!

Oh wait, everything going to hell in a handbasket, isn’t it?

In that case then, better this nitwit Pelosi waste her time on something that won’t damage the country further.

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Nancy Pelosi should probe Drywall.
Parliament out of session today, Dave?

LegendHasIt on August 18, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Sure.
Just like I should be able to visit Mecca.
Oh wait, I recall Saudi Arabia as a wretched, miserable, malodorous dungheap. Why in hell would I wanna go back there?
NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM

you couldn’t, unless you are saudi arabian, have a work permit, or are on a hadj

no tourism allowed

Sonosam on August 18, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Canada – So effed up and miserable we dabble in other people’s politics.

nico on August 18, 2010 at 12:14 PM

This woman is certifiably insane.

If there were ever justification for term limits, this entire congress is it.

labrat on August 18, 2010 at 12:14 PM

I can’t wait for the GOP to take back the House and investigate HER!!!

ladyingray on August 18, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Sonosam on August 18, 2010 at 12:12 PM

They let me in back in 1990-1991 to save their worthless asses.

I will never forgive me for not allowing me a beer for seven months – never.

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Wow.

Just…wow.

The Leftist mind is a pathetic mess. They have no sense for the arguments at all.

THEY set a trap, and then THEY step into it. I mean…how stupid can you get? They’re imploding and governing at the same time.

And the trolling leftist morons on this board have no idea how deep of a hole they’re digging for themselves.

Step out of the way conservatives, so they don’t mow you down as they charge headlong toward the edge of that cliff.

Saltysam on August 18, 2010 at 12:17 PM

nico on August 18, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Oh c’mon – tell me you don’t spend your time on Canadian message boards, telling them how they should support the Queen of Canada or whoever’s running things up there.

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Oh c’mon – tell me you don’t spend your time on Canadian message boards, telling them how they should support the Queen of Canada or whoever’s running things up there.

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 12:18 PM

LOL!

DarkCurrent on August 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Fox has been carrying this story.

Here we are all gung ho to build a 13 story mosque/community center. The State Dept is involved with the mosque building team ie spending money on them. The President has weighed in on it.

And then? we have the only church destroyed in the 9-11 attacks and negotiations with the government, the Port Authority, have went cold because the church had the audacity to ask for money up front to rebuild?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18/leaders-disappointed-government-declares-deal-rebuild-ground-zero-church-dead/

journeyintothewhirlwind on August 18, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Investigated by the House Un-Islamic Activities Committee.

Little Boomer on August 18, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Under tyranny
If one speaks against the regime, they must be investigated.
To a liberal, this must surely be severe enough to justify waterboarding to find out where the money comes from.

seven on August 18, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Little Boomer on August 18, 2010 at 12:23 PM

They don’t call it the Dhimmicrat Party for nothing.

“I for one, welcome our new Shariah Law imposing Mullah overlords.” – Barack Hussein Obama

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 12:25 PM

What if a Muslim decided to pray at ground zero?
Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM

So what if he did? What’s your point?

abcurtis on August 18, 2010 at 12:28 PM

“I for one, welcome our new Shariah Law imposing Mullah overlords.” – Barack Hussein Obama

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

Your snark turned out more true than not.

Rebar on August 18, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Click on the link below and you will see what the National Park Service has built with our money as a “memorial” in Shanksville PA at the site of the murders of those on Flight 93.

It is a half mile wide CRESCENT, facing MECCA. It has all of the symbols built into it for it to qualify as a mosque.
When one stands in the center of the opening, where the flight crashed, one is facing MECCA. This is important in mosque architecture.

There were forty passengers and crew on the plane, and 4 terrorists. There are forty blocks outside the crescent and four built within the crescent. Symbolizing the damnation, outside of Islam, of the passengers and crew, and the heavenly home (crescent and star = islamic heavens) of the four terrorists.

They call this islamic triumphal insult the “Crescent of Embrace”. Creepy and tragic for those killed, their families and all Americans.

Also, on the site is a minaret-like tower, with a crescent shape atop. Hanging below the crescent are forty cacophonous wind chimes. Again, the chimes hang below the crescent, symbolically damned. These chimes are called the Tower of Voices and are supposed to represent the forty passengers and crew. Again, creepy.

Here’s a link to an aerial depiction:

http://s528.photobucket.com/albums/dd329/agent8698/Crescent%20of%20Embrace/?action=view&current=20050908wp_flight93memorial-1_450bw.jpg

Here’s a link to Eric Rawl and a letter from Tom Burnett, Senior, the father of a flight 93 hero, Tom Burnett, Junior, giving detail after detail as to the validity of the claim that the Flight 93 “memorial” is actually a surpremacist, triumphalist mosque.

http://errortheory.blogspot.com/

The GZ Mosque would be SECOND mosque built on the site of a 9-11 terrorist attack.

Why has NO ONE in the “mainstream conservative media”, i.e., hannity, beck, HA, Ace, etc. told us about this. Or have I missed something?

tigerlily on August 18, 2010 at 12:32 PM

So what if he did? What’s your point?

abcurtis on August 18, 2010 at 12:28 PM

His point is that unless you support the building of this one particular mosque then you must want all Muslims beheaded…

…or something like that.

It’s so hard to figure out what a person’s REAL point is when they continue to use straw men.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Did darwin and Knucklehead sink the RFS Tom Shipley?

DarkCurrent on August 18, 2010 at 12:34 PM

So what if he did? What’s your point?

abcurtis on August 18, 2010 at 12:28 PM

He’s trying to prove that you’re a bigot.

Esthier on August 18, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Investigated by the House Un-Islamic Activities Committee.

Little Boomer on August 18, 2010 at 12:23 PM

QOTT

tigerlily on August 18, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Breaking: Nancy Pelosi says American citizens should be probed—Prop 8 opponents hardest hit.

Rovin on August 18, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Rome wasn’t built in one day , and neither is FASCISM .
Little by little , day by day , the radical socialist take a bit of our liberty away .
George SOROS should be the second one investigated , with OBAMA being the first , let’s not forget that Obama received more than 50% of his 2008 presidential contributions from $200.00 donors , and OBAMA campaign officials claim that VISA, and MASTERCARD have no way of disclosing who owns the cards WHAT A JOKE

ELMO Q on August 18, 2010 at 12:36 PM

So what if he did? What’s your point?

abcurtis on August 18, 2010 at 12:28 PM

He has no point. He knows he has no point.

Point?

He’s so far in over his head, he’d drown in a mud puddle.

Saltysam on August 18, 2010 at 12:38 PM

What if a Muslim decided to pray at ground zero?
Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM

I’d guess that has already happened. So?

ladyingray on August 18, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Did darwin and Knucklehead sink the RFS Tom Shipley?

DarkCurrent on August 18, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Facts have a tendancy to do that.

ladyingray on August 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM

Did darwin and Knucklehead sink the RFS Tom Shipley?

DarkCurrent on August 18, 2010 at 12:34 PM

More likely is that his Mom told him to get off the computer, get out of the basement and mow the lawn.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM

Okay, so the liberal talking point appears to be that she did not call for a GOVERNMENT investigation, she just meant journalists should look into it. No biggie. I’m always amazed at how quickly the libs get their spin/talking points out, and how consistent they all are. It’s like they are all linked into one big hive.

mbs on August 18, 2010 at 12:40 PM

When St. Nic’s church breaks ground on their rebuild, THEN come talk to me about the FU mosque and religious freedom.

Drywall Dave needs to take his strawman and go pound.

NTXLass on August 18, 2010 at 12:40 PM

One might think that Pelsoi would want a peek at where the Park51 will be getting its funds to build the mosque

Very likely from Saudi Arabia. The same place the 9/11 terrorists got most of their funding.

Tav on August 18, 2010 at 12:41 PM

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM

What is Muslims decided to participate in a gay pride parade through the streets of Tehran, Riyadh, Kabul or Mogidishu?

The Muslim praying at Ground Zero would be respectfully ignored.

The gay pride parade? Not so much.

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 12:42 PM

Of course they should probe them – America needs to know why mosque opposers don’t have the bal*s to come out and say they want to kick all Muslims out of the country.

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 10:12 AM

Hi, Uncle Red!

My guess is that the only reason you support the mosque is because we oppose it. Sorta like John Cleese, y’know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2010 at 12:42 PM

Oh c’mon – tell me you don’t spend your time on Canadian message boards, telling them how they should support the Queen of Canada or whoever’s running things up there.

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 12:18 PM

I’m always torn between the political blogs of the places I want to chime in. Canada, West Fumble Buck. West Fumble Buck, Canada.

It’s a toss up, really.

nico on August 18, 2010 at 12:43 PM

And now they want Bush to save Odumbo’s butt!!!

Delicious!

ladyingray on August 18, 2010 at 12:43 PM

she shoould be forced to resign for this statement

unseen on August 18, 2010 at 12:47 PM

WaPo leaps to Pelosi’s defense;

Pelosi clarifies call for look at funding of of anti-mosque critics

It’s unclear, to me at least, exactly what this means… But [But, BUT!] Pelosi doesn’t seem to be calling for some kind of government investigation into the mosque’s critics, as thrilling as that would be to some on the right.

The Left is clearly suffering from PDS delusions.

Pelosi-fascism Denial Syndrome

Terp Mole on August 18, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Why is it insensitive for them to build the Cordoba House near Ground Zero?

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 10:42 AM

OK, students, note how young Shipley here studiously avoids using the word “mosque”, even though Park51, the official website, clearly states that a mosque will be built at the site on their own website.

Question for you, Tom. Why do you support them building a mosque there?

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2010 at 12:48 PM

So now moderate Muslims are those who want Sharia all over the world:

I know this isn’t a strictly black & white issue, so be prepared for a little nuance — I have faith you can follow along:

Sharia law is fundamental to all of Islam. But there are different interpretations of Sharia law in the different strands of Islam, as well as different ways of enforcing those laws (which is where you see the Taliban stoning people).

Rauf is against that kind of barbaric enforcement of Sharia law and has called for a reform of Sharia law to bring Islam more into the 21 Century.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-feisal-abdul-rauf/what-shariah-law-is-all-a_b_190825.html

Think the US was culpable for 9/11

What he said is that 9/11 was a reaction. He never condoned the action, he in fact denounced the action. What he said is that actions that the US had taken in the Middle East–abandoning afghanastan after the Soviets left, overthrowing a democratically elected government in Iran that led to years of dictatorship–led to the animosity that manifest itself in the 9/11 attacks.

Anyone who denies that past U.S. actions help create resentment that led to the 9/11 attacks is just hiding their head in the sand. Again, no one is saying the U.S. deserved to be attacked. he’s just saying that past actions can bring about unwanted consequences.

will not denounce Hamas,

Here’s his quote that this is drawn from:

I’m not a politician. I try to avoid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question…I’m a bridge builder. I define my work as a bridge builder. I do not want to be placed, nor do I accept to be placed in a position of being put in a position where I am the target of one side or another…

The targeting of civilians is wrong. It is a sin in our religion. Whoever does it, targeting civilians is wrong. I am a supporter of the state of Israel. … I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary”

Radical, man!

Let me ask you a question. Some years back, a group of nuns decided to put their religious symbols up at a concentration camp that was devoid of any religious symbols. They were trying to heal relations between Jews and Catholics and couldn’t understand why the space was left blank. When Jewish groups noticed this, they protested it, saying it was wrong an insensitive, while the nuns insisted, rightfully, that they had every right to do what they were doing.

Were the nuns in that case doing the right thing?

I don’t necessarily think what nuns did was wrong, but I can see why the Jewish people would not want the camp or memorial to be infringed upon like that…

BUT

Here’s the thing. The Cordoba House is not at Ground Zero. It’s not at a place designated as a memorial for the victims of 9/11. It’s in the middle of a city block two blocks away from Ground Zero.

If they wanted to build ON ground zero or at a site designated as a memorial for 9/11 things would be different because as a society we have a right to dictate how we want to honor those who died that day — and that can be tricky as shown by the hole in the ground still at Ground Zero.

But it’s not at ground zero nor at a spot designated as a memorial. It’s surrounded by bars, strip clubs and porn shops. It’s a city street, not a memorial and there is no reason why they should not be allowed to build their center there.

Remember, Muslim Americans lost their lives on 9/11 too. The people who are building the Cordoba House are not radical muslims. They are not al qaeda and they had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

Because some people can’t make that distinction is not good enough reason for trying to stop them from building there.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 12:48 PM

message to Nancy Pelosi……..


…….NOVEMBER!!!!

PappyD61 on August 18, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2010 at 12:48 PM

See above.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 12:49 PM

“I join those who have called for looking into how is this opposition to the mosque being funded,” she said. “How is this being ginned up?” – Nancy Pelosi

Where is the GOP?? Nevermind. I know invertabrates need rocks and all that.

But come on. Obama, Pelosi, ROUTINELY using the might of the federal leviathan to freeze, not “chill”, the Constitutional rights of the American citizen.

Obama did it when he intimidated the lawyer who was going to sue on behalf of all of the Chrysler secured bondholders that were being stolen from by obama during the “bankruptcy”.

125 years of American jurisprudence and bankruptcy law was on the side of the bondholders, but the case never went to court because the one lawyer who was taking it was told his reputation and life would be torn to shreds by the Feds if he did.

Was not the GM/Chrysler takeover impeachable, not to mention what berri did to those who stood in it’s way, such as this attorney?

To date, by my estimation, obama, not to mention Pelosi, has perpetrated about, oh….., 254,990,388,997,488 impeachable offenses.

If we don’t hear about talk of impeachment after November, win or lose, I’ll go coo-coo, cause I can’t count any higher…..

tigerlily on August 18, 2010 at 12:49 PM

Why is it that the left doesn’t understand that nobody is saying that they have no constitutional right to build the mosque / community center / whatever.

Instead, people are arguing that they should not build there. That the muslim community that is claiming to want to promote outreach and tolerance should exhibit some outreach and tolerence and take non-muslim views into account and not build at the site of such a horrific muslim terrorist attack that was done in the name of islam.

Nobody is claiming that muslims don’t have the right to build mosques. Nobody is claiming that muslims don’t have the right to practice the non-terrorist aspects of their religion.

So the whole “freedom of religion” argument is idiocy.

Also, I would note that muslim countries don’t have any tolerance whatsoever for non-muslim religion. I suppose that is neither here nor there – as we only look to what other countries do when the Supreme Court liberals want to find some crazy support for inventing a new right or law or when the left wants to tell us how great their healthcare systems are. Interesting that we aren’t allowed to notice other countries when it comes to their immigration practices or other practices that the left does NOT want to emulate.

But, the fact that tehre is absolutely no religious tolerance in any muslim country does make one suspicious of the claim that they are interested in “outreach” or “tolerance”.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Remember now that Speaker Pelosi is the high priestess of the State religion of Liberalism. Those of us who dare question the Liberal dogma of the State will need to be re-educated. I will see you at Camp Pelosi.

Blue Collar Todd on August 18, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Message from Pelosi Goverment – FEAR ME!

Kini on August 18, 2010 at 12:54 PM

On the bright side, if the Muslims ever take over, Pelosi will be among the first to be stoned into oblivion.

MaiDee on August 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM

She’s been stoned into oblivion since 2007.

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2010 at 12:55 PM

Remember, Muslim Americans lost their lives on 9/11 too. The people who are building the Cordoba House are not radical muslims. They are not al qaeda and they had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Really, you know this how? If you read about the people behnid Cordoba House you will note they are tied to may radical organizations, they support both Hamas and Hezbolla. They won’t condone the 9/11 attacks without qualifcation. And, I’m pretty certain you don’t know any of them personally or know what they think or how they feel or who they are connected to. So you just throw stuff out there to support an irrelevant argument.

Nobody is actually claiming that they are connected to the 9/11 plotters. That isn’t the point. Either you are too dim to understand the point or you do understand the point and have to argue against straw men b/c you know your argument is so weak.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Anyone else irritated by the endless slack that is cut this sorry excuse for a Speaker of the House? It seems that there’s a nudge-nudge-wink-wink in the old media so when Princess Nana makes the inevitable ignorant statement, it’s ignored because they all know she’s a complete idiot but “let’s not cover it because she’s a democratic”.

Imagine this loon on the list of the truly great speakers in our history. What an embarrassment.

slickwillie2001 on August 18, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Wait a minute…..she’s going to have Harry (you people stink) Reid investigated??

MaggieMae on August 18, 2010 at 12:58 PM

The great thing about this is that Democrats can’t stop putting their hoof in their fat mouths.

First, Obama shoves his $1000 wingtips into his stupid mouth by getting involved in the first place.

Then this idiot witch, who has done more damage to this country than five hurricanes and two earthquakes, wants to waste time “investigating” the legitimate opposition to the death cult monument.

That will poll well.

At this rate, the Democrats are going to be about as popular as dog crap on the bottom of your shoe. Count on it.

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 12:58 PM

But it’s not at ground zero nor at a spot designated as a memorial. It’s surrounded by bars, strip clubs and porn shops. It’s a city street, not a memorial and there is no reason why they should not be allowed to build their center there.

People aren’t claiming they should not be “allowed to”, as in legally prohibited from doing so. People are saying they should not do so. There is a huge difference.

where is the left each time a Wal Mart is being built and the local libs raise hell, picket, etc? Is that just as wrong in your mind?

Any time a company wants to build or expand the left comes in with all kinds of reasons not to allow them to. I have yet to hear any lefty talk about how they have the right to build b/c this is america.

It is too funny watching the left tie themselves into knots over this.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Hey could you post your research about how you came to the conclusion that there are enough mosques in Manhattan to service the Muslim population?

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM

There are already at least 8 mosques in Mahattan, including one in lower Manhattan already (on Lower Broadway). There is also one in SoHo, one on 29th Street, and another on 55th Street.

Next question?

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM

For apologists for Islam, please allow me to set the record straight:

Islam is NOT a religion!!! Please burn that FACT into your fevered brow!

Religion is part of Islam, but just a part!

There is NO separation between the “religious” and the “political” in Islam…..

The goal of Islam is the establishment of a world caliphate and the imposition of shari’a law as dictated by the Qur’an and enforced by Islam “authorities.”

To those of you raising your voices in a chorus of apologies for Islam, be advised that under shari’a law, unless you are already a Muslim, you will have three choices: 1. Convert to Islam; 2. Submit to Islam [dhimmitude]; or, 3. Death! I reject all three choices!

If you believe Islam is a “religion of peace,” please try to understand the Islam definition of PEACE:

From the Qur’an: “The world will be at PEACE only when Islam and shariah reign in
every country ~~ and NEVER until then!”

Any questions???

HalJordan on August 18, 2010 at 1:02 PM

If they wanted to build ON ground zero or at a site designated as a memorial for 9/11 things would be different because as a society we have a right to dictate how we want to honor those who died that day — and that can be tricky as shown by the hole in the ground still at Ground Zero.

But it’s not at ground zero nor at a spot designated as a memorial. It’s surrounded by bars, strip clubs and porn shops. It’s a city street, not a memorial and there is no reason why they should not be allowed to build their center there.
Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 12:48 PM
———–

“but but but pieces of the towers might have hit that location so it’s also hallowed ground” in 3….2…..1….

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 1:07 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-feisal-abdul-rauf/what-shariah-law-is-all-a_b_190825.html

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Citing Zsa Zsa’s site? How quaint.

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2010 at 1:07 PM

People aren’t claiming they should not be “allowed to”, as in legally prohibited from doing so. People are saying they should not do so. There is a huge difference.

Drumming up sentiment against the center being built near ground zero is an extra-legal way to “not allow” it from being built.

It’s different means to the same end.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Tom Shipley you never answered my questions so here they are again.

Do you approve of the Muslim expansionism in Europe and other western countries?

Do you approve of their demands for Sharia based laws in those countries?

Do you think that Islam should have precedence over other religions in America? If not, why has the left attacked a solitary cross in the desert, placement of the ten commandments, nativity scenes, prayer and every other expression of Christianity yet catered to every demand by Muslims?

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Hey could you post your research about how you came to the conclusion that there are enough mosques in Manhattan to service the Muslim population?

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM

There are already at least 8 mosques in Mahattan, including one in lower Manhattan already (on Lower Broadway). There is also one in SoHo, one on 29th Street, and another on 55th Street.

Next question?

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM
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The next question is probably about whether or not that’s enough mosques to service the Muslim population or future Muslim population. If it’s not, then I guess they build more mosques regardless of whether you oppose the idea.

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 1:09 PM

She doesn’t seem to care about where the $100 million to build the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero is coming from, despite the fact that the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has lied about whether he will be receiving foreign funding. No, that’s all just fine.

What Pelosi wants to know is where Pamela Geller and I got $9,000 to run an ad against the mosque on New York City buses. In reality, we scraped it together from $10 and $20 donations from free citizens, as we have with all our initiatives.

Welcome to Obama’s America, in which political opposition to the pet projects of the elites can get you investigated and who knows what else. Well, come and get me, Nancy. Do your worst.

Luka on August 18, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Hey idiot, you forgot something or do you just selectively ignore facts after you ask questions?

Greek Orthodox leaders trying to rebuild the only church destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attacks expressed shock this week after learning, via Fox News, that government officials had killed a deal to relocate the church

Now what was that question you asked about the Government shutting down the building of any church?

Knucklehead on August 18, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 1:08 PM

So you’re saying that we as a society don’t have a right to weigh in on this?

That’s absolute nonsense. We lost 3,000 people that day, and they were murdered by Muslims – Muslims who murdered defenseless men, women and children because they were Americans and they did it in the name of Islam.

Truly “moderate” Muslims would be sensitive enough to that fact to build their center somewhere else.

This is a direct provocation and they are getting the attention they want.

I would almost like to see it built, because every nail hammered into that death cult monument, will be another nail in the coffin of the Democrats and their moral relativity. It will take years to build and almost every American who sees it will know who to blame – Democrat scum.

So it might actually do some good.

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 1:16 PM

The NIH should investigate just how severally botox rots the brain. In the meantime the FDA should order it pulled from the market.

Tav on August 18, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Here we are all gung ho to build a 13 story mosque/community center. The State Dept is involved with the mosque building team ie spending money on them. The President has weighed in on it.

And then? we have the only church destroyed in the 9-11 attacks and negotiations with the government, the Port Authority, have went cold because the church had the audacity to ask for money up front to rebuild?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18/leaders-disappointed-government-declares-deal-rebuild-ground-zero-church-dead/

journeyintothewhirlwind on August 18, 2010 at 12:23 PM

BTW, the Leftist Democrats opposed the building of a 60,000+ square foot Mormon Temple in the suburbs of Boston in 1999. They even filed a constitutional lawsuit against it. They lost.

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Quislings have already politicized this issue. They’ve trotted out smears of patriotic Americans as racists, fascists, Islamophobes, xenophobes, Neanderthals– the whole Star Wars cantina of boogeymen and cranks standing opposed to poor, innocent Imam Rauf.

Now Pelosi shrieks full-throated about (*gasp*) “a concerted effort to make this a political issue“. Does that “concerted effort” include Muslim-Americans opposed to sharia vendors of Cordoba House?

But when patriotic Americans object to stealth jihadists– and (yes) that accurately describes the Cordoba House cabal– opening a 9/11 snuff porn vendor emporium (and jihadi recruitment center) on the hallowed graves of Ground Zero– Pelosi demands investigations!

American Muslims may be the very soul of moderation. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable for Americans to ask for more from (allegedly) “peaceful” Cordoba House jihadists than insincere bromides and disingenuous whitewashing of uncomfortable elements of Islamic sharia law, as practiced by the Cordoba House cabal and their financial sponsors.

A genuine tiny minority of anti-jihadist Muslims may be found @ SecularIslam.org

Americans remain breathless in anticipation of the sharia law vendors of Cordoba House supporting this genuinely tiny minority of their co-religionists– but don’t hold your breath.

When will Speaker Pelosi support Secular Islam advocates’ right to live free from the sharia law intimidation of Cordoba House Islamo-supremacists?

Ye blind guides, that strain out the gnat, and swallow the camel!” [Matthew 23:24]

Pelosi (and her ObaMedia toadies) created this delusional demonization campaign against patriotic Americans opposed to the mosque– and now they have the temerity to climb up on their hind legs and howl for investigations of Americans?

Patriotic Americans can tell when they’re hitting all the right notes– when the Quislings in Congress threaten political harrassment of voters.

Booga-Booga!

Terp Mole on August 18, 2010 at 1:18 PM

“but but but pieces of the towers might have hit that location so it’s also hallowed ground” in 3….2…..1….

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 1:07 PM

I’m not sure, but didn’t a set of landing gear from one of the planes damage the building?

Perhaps someone here knows.

DarkCurrent on August 18, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Rush want to know if it’s okay for Dubai to run the ports now?

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 1:07 PM

What’s sacred ground in Canda, where Bob and Doug spilled a beer?

Go concern yourself with you irrelevant country that’s so very fortunate to be in such close proximity to our magnificant one.

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 1:21 PM

I’m not sure, but didn’t a set of landing gear from one of the planes damage the building?

Perhaps someone here knows.

DarkCurrent on August 18, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Yes, Dave was being sarcastic. He doesn’t think anyone should dare question anything Muslims want to do.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 1:22 PM

Drumming up sentiment against the center being built near ground zero is an extra-legal way to “not allow” it from being built.

It’s different means to the same end.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 1:08 PM

So in your mnid every protest against something being built is wrong?

And we are not allowed to have opinions on such matters b/c it might have an affect?

Interesting that Liberals always find ways to argue that just having a different opinion than a liberal is somehow evil and illegal. And you wonder why liberalsm/socialsim/fascism (all left ideologies) always devolve into totatlitarianism.

Sad.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2010 at 1:24 PM

The next question is probably about whether or not that’s enough mosques to service the Muslim population or future Muslim population. If it’s not, then I guess they build more mosques regardless of whether you oppose the idea.

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 1:09 PM

A Muslim study 10 years ago had the following results:

The group found 28 mosques in Queens, 27 in Brooklyn, 20 in the Bronx, 17 in Manhattan and eight in Staten Island; however, all participants said they thought they had underestimated the number of mosques, because worshippers often set up small mosques in their apartments that are not visible from the street.

So there are at least 80 mosques citywide, and at least 17 in Manhattan alone.

The US Census is not allowed to use religion in their data gathering, so there is no way to know the Muslim population of NY City, but at the time of this study there were estimated to be around 600,000.

The problem is, this proposed mosque is to be located in a primarily non-residential area. After all, you’re the one who said it’s all strip clubs and porno stores.

As I said previously, there is already a mosque in that part of the city on Lower Broadway, Been there for 20+ years.

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 1:07 PM

What’s sacred ground in Canda, where Bob and Doug spilled a beer?

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 1:21 PM

SCTV Forever!

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2010 at 1:29 PM

As I said previously, there is already a mosque in that part of the city on Lower Broadway, Been there for 20+ years.

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM

But … but … but … bigot!

- Dave Rywall

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Do you approve of the Muslim expansionism in Europe and other western countries?

I think people should be allowed to practice the faith of their choosing in free societies (any society, really).

Do you approve of their demands for Sharia based laws in those countries?

No, i believe in the separation of church and state.

Do you think that Islam should have precedence over other religions in America? If not, why has the left attacked a solitary cross in the desert, placement of the ten commandments, nativity scenes, prayer and every other expression of Christianity yet catered to every demand by Muslims?

I can’t speak to every instance of this, but most of these cases have to do with separation of church and state, which I generally agree with.

Hey idiot, you forgot something or do you just selectively ignore facts after you ask questions?

Greek Orthodox leaders trying to rebuild the only church destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attacks expressed shock this week after learning, via Fox News, that government officials had killed a deal to relocate the church

The deal fell through because of money issues. When I asked “who is trying to stop a church from being built?” i was asking in the context of people trying to stop one from being built because of the religion it represents — like what is happening with the Cordoba Center. NY is not trying to “stop a church from being built”. The deal fell through because of money issues. If those weren’t there, the church would have gotten the OK.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 1:30 PM

the left “they have every legal right to build it”

The right “yes, but they should not build it in that location”

the left “you are against religious freedom”

the right “no, they can practice their religion and build mosques, we just wish they would not build it in that location”

the left “see – there you go again stopping people from practicing their religion.”

Teh right “huh? we never said they could not practice their religion, or build mosques, we simply believe this is an inappropriate location for the mosque and if they had any desire to develop outreach and tolerance, they would understand that”

the left “the fact that you have an opinion at all, and voice it, is simply wrong. Your opinion is an extra-legal way to stop freedom of religion”

the right “what?”

the left “your stupid and evil and racist”

the right “isn’t that your argument for everything? why didn’t you just say that at the begining?”

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 1:07 PM

What’s sacred ground in Canda, where Bob and Doug spilled a beer?

Go concern yourself with you irrelevant country that’s so very fortunate to be in such close proximity to our magnificant one.

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 1:21 PM
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If two blocks away is hallowed ground, then get your lazy ass to work shutting down the titty bar that has the gall to shake its junk in the face of ground zero.

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Here’s the thing. The Cordoba House is not at Ground Zero. It’s not at a place designated as a memorial for the victims of 9/11. It’s in the middle of a city block two blocks away from Ground Zero.

Here’s the thing.

The proposed site for the mosque is the old Burlington Coat Factory that was damaged by the landing gear of one of the planes that struck the towers.

It was, in fact, inside the debris field of the attack.

Which means, that it is likely (although unprovable either way) that some of the ashes and dust that coated the building was from the bodies of the victims.

“but but but pieces of the towers might have hit that location so it’s also hallowed ground” in 3….2…..1….

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Again, not MIGHT HAVE, but DID.

And, yes, I think that qualifies it as “sacred ground.”

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 1:33 PM

If two blocks away is hallowed ground, then get your lazy ass to work shutting down the titty bar that has the gall to shake its junk in the face of ground zero.

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Titties don’t fly planes into buildings, stone women to death, hang gays or hate Jews with all their being.

Perhaps you haven’t had a chance to know many titties. Titties are not violent or radical.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Where are the calls for her resignation? Our leaders should be demanding her resignation over this ugly little retreat into Stalinism.

petefrt on August 18, 2010 at 1:34 PM

I second the motion for Pelosi’s resignation.

faraway on August 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Dave Rywall on August 18, 2010 at 1:07 PM

What’s sacred ground in Canda, where Bob and Doug spilled a beer?

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 1:21 PM

LOL!!

ladyingray on August 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM

NY is not trying to “stop a church from being built”. The deal fell through because of money issues. If those weren’t there, the church would have gotten the OK.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Wrong. The church could rebuild as long as it looks like a warehouse and not a church.

ladyingray on August 18, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Actually, I don’t really want any calls for her resignation.

I had rather see some more fireworks by asking each Dem congressional candidate if they support Pelosi’s call for investigation.

faraway on August 18, 2010 at 1:37 PM

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 1:34 PM

You are on a roll. I am dying here.

faraway on August 18, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Perhaps you haven’t had a chance to know many titties. Titties are not violent or radical.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 1:34 PM

On the contrary, drywall is a huge boob.

ladyingray on August 18, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2010 at 1:24 PM

We’re not allowed to stop the mosque through the legal system.

But according to the Nancy Pelosi/Tom_Shipley view, we’re not allowed to voice organized opposition either.

The First Amendment is just peachy for them, as long as it’s only used to promote nude dancing, gay pride parades and obsenity.

It’s null and void if (gasp) there is opposition to a Islamic mosque being built where Islamic Muslims slaughtered thousands of innocent people.

When it’s used to question liberal authority, liberals soil their shorts. HOW DARE THEY QUESTION US!

NoDonkey on August 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM

You are on a roll. I am dying here.

faraway on August 18, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Rywall is a never ending source of material.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Rush asked if the left would approve of the Dubai port deal now…

ladyingray on August 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM

On the contrary, drywall is a huge boob.

ladyingray on August 18, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Overdue for a little self examination.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Does that mean that Pelosi wants Harry Reid investigated, too?

You bet she would. She’d LOVE that. Other than cooperation out of party duty….I don’t imagine there’s a lot of love lost between Ol Nancy, and Harry!

capejasmine on August 18, 2010 at 1:43 PM

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