Obama: “No regrets” on weighing in on Ground Zero mosque

posted at 4:17 pm on August 18, 2010 by Allahpundit

Via Greg Hengler, a silly question gets a silly answer. How else could he respond? “Why yes, in light of the catastrophic polling on this issue for my party, I should have avoided even the lame, equivocating statement I gave initially”? His disapproval rating has been creeping up in Gallup ever since he weighed in, rising from 48 percent last week to a siren-worthy 52 percent today. Of course he regrets it. But now he’s stuck with it, so here’s his — very — perfunctory show of resoluteness in the face of self-generated adversity.

The media meme du jour, naturally enough, is that the mosque debate is causing an intra-party crack-up — on the right. Our Democratic president is at odds with our Democratic Senate majority leader, and our Democratic Speaker of the House has lost her ever-lovin’ mind, and meanwhile national polls show even a majority of Democrats in opposition to the mosque, and yet … somehow it’s conservatives who have been torn apart by this issue. Good work, Politico. So batty have liberals become, in fact, that supposedly clear-eyed, battle-hardened, bottom-line political operative Mark Halperin is now screaming for Obama to wade in further on the mosque’s behalf instead of shutting up until this goes away:

HALPERIN’S TAKE: Really??!! Another presidential comment on this sensitive matter made on the fly in response to a press question? The political and substantive damage will continue until Obama explains his position in detail and (in a dignified and uplifting way) explains why his critics are wrong. This is a classic case of a politician losing control of his public image on a key issue — only in this instance, it has implications for the whole world.

I think a long windy lecture from The One explaining to the 65 percent of the public that opposes the mosque why they’re xenophobic yokels is just what the doctor ordered for a midterm rebound. On a serious note, though, I do agree with Rove and various other GOP strategists that it’d be foolish (and potentially destructive) for Republican pols to hammer this issue too hard. I think centrists and indies are looking, above all, for seriousness of purpose from the GOP about digging the country out of the near-bottomless pit of Obamanomics, especially given the rap on the party in the past for getting “sidetracked” with cultural issues. For every one part mosque messaging, I’d prefer 10 parts messaging on jobs and the economy. Besides, Democrats are in full meltdown over this anyway; if any indies are ripe for the picking on the mosque issue, it’ll be the spectacular idiocy and sneering contempt of Madam Speaker and her colleagues that turns them to the GOP, not anything coming from Newt Gingrich. Rock on, Nancy!


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I bet many Dems have regrets

faraway on August 18, 2010 at 4:21 PM

“And the fact that I’m nervously puffing through an extra 3 packs per day has nothing to do with this.”

-PBHO

Bishop on August 18, 2010 at 4:21 PM

whole country has regrets. He needs to learn to shut his mouth. I would love to not see him on the tv when I wake up for a week straight. Anyone think that would be possible?

ousoonerfan15 on August 18, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Your lips say no-no, but there is oui-oui in your eye.

AubieJon on August 18, 2010 at 4:22 PM

He might not have regrets, but roughly 70% of the nation does.

Ugly on August 18, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Of course not. 0bama will never regret anything he does to insult, to further divide America.

Probably the only thing he will regret is when the voters throw him out on his @$$,…. and like his buddy Bill Ayers, he will regret not planting MORE bombs against the American infrastructure.

LegendHasIt on August 18, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Dear GOP (the stupid party)

NO MORE CULTURAL ISSUE CENTRIC CAMPAIGNS!!!

It’s about the economy you morons.

Regards,

Rick
xoxox

rickyricardo on August 18, 2010 at 4:24 PM

For every one part mosque messaging, I’d prefer 10 parts messaging on jobs and the economy.

I wouldn’t worry, AP. The GOP is well aware that jobs and Obamacare will be the biggest issues in the midterms. This mosque debacle is just the final nail in the coffin for the Dems.

Doughboy on August 18, 2010 at 4:24 PM

temper temper…

mjbrooks3 on August 18, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Petulant. Child.

Key West Reader on August 18, 2010 at 4:25 PM

BTW – the pause between question & answer – was he waiting for an answer to be spoken into his earpiece by an advisor?

=|

Ugly on August 18, 2010 at 4:25 PM

“Regret is insight that comes a day too late”

faraway on August 18, 2010 at 4:26 PM

And now… For my next trick!!! I’m taking ANOTHER Vacay-Cay!

BoBama

Key West Reader on August 18, 2010 at 4:26 PM

I wouldn’t worry, AP. The GOP is well aware that jobs and Obamacare will be the biggest issues in the midterms. This mosque debacle is just the final nail in the coffin for the Dems.

Hope you’re right, but never underestimate the GOP’s ability to score an own goal…

Allahpundit on August 18, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Imam Obama is happy, what’s not to like.

tarpon on August 18, 2010 at 4:27 PM

I can’t wait until the democrats turn on him. Stock up on popcorn now!

Blake on August 18, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Good, Barry. Then keep on talking about the Obamosque.

ChrisB on August 18, 2010 at 4:28 PM

I agree. The Republicans know “It’s the Economy stupid.”They are just taking every chance they have to stick it to Obama when the iron is hot. Once there is no more to be gained with this, they will move on.

sandee on August 18, 2010 at 4:28 PM

On a serious note, though, I do agree with Rove and various other GOP strategists that it’d be foolish (and potentially destructive) for Republican pols to hammer this issue too hard.

If they are asked about it, Republicans should just say that the mosque would be a painful reminder to the families of those killed during the 9/11 attacks.

If Obama has no regrets yet, fine with us. We’ll give him some in November.

Steve Z on August 18, 2010 at 4:28 PM

The media meme du jour, naturally enough, is that the mosque debate is causing an intra-party crack-up — on the right

Well , a 70% approval can do that…

the_nile on August 18, 2010 at 4:28 PM

In regards to the mosque, does anyone think the government would sanction the reincarnated David Koresh to build a Branch Dividian compound anywhere?

fourdeucer on August 18, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Is he up at Martha’s Vineyard now? I’m guessing that from the video background.

Perhaps he wasn’t expecting any “tough” questions up there.

INC on August 18, 2010 at 4:30 PM

In regards to the mosque, does anyone think the government would sanction the reincarnated David Koresh to build a Branch Dividian compound anywhere?

fourdeucer on August 18, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Sure. In Langley Va.

Ugly on August 18, 2010 at 4:30 PM

His disapproval rating has been creeping up in Gallup ever since he weighed in, rising from 48 percent last week to a siren-worthy 52 percent today.

AP, four point dropping in one week ain’t “creeping”, baby; that there is “cratering”. Or rather, “Cartering”.

ChrisB on August 18, 2010 at 4:30 PM

and our Democratic Speaker of the House has lost her ever-lovin’ mind,

Heh.

Weight of Glory on August 18, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Hope you’re right, but never underestimate the GOP’s ability to score an own goal…

Allahpundit on August 18, 2010 at 4:26 PM

We’re 2 1/2 months out of the midterms and aside from Michael Steele and his tenure as RNC chairman, I can’t think of too many major blunders the party has made thus far.

Oh sure, it would be great for incoherent company men like McConnell and Boehner to step aside and let the likes of DeMint and Ryan do all the talking. But obviously they’ve gotten their message out given the poll numbers.

Doughboy on August 18, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Hope you’re right, but never underestimate the GOP’s ability to score an own goal…

Allahpundit on August 18, 2010 at 4:26 PM

I wish they would have blinking lights and stupid sound effects when they do. It would help those who don’t pay attention, figure it out then.

upinak on August 18, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Hey thanks for the deleted post AP, I appreciate that..
/sarc

Viper1 on August 18, 2010 at 4:32 PM

if any indies are ripe for the picking on the mosque issue, it’ll be the spectacular idiocy and sneering contempt of Madam Speaker and her colleagues that turns them to the GOP, not anything coming from Newt Gingrich. Rock on, Nancy!

Since she wants to “investigate” the mosque opponents, who are 60+% of the population, she might scare some indies into voting to take her gavel away…

Steve Z on August 18, 2010 at 4:32 PM

We should be demanding Pelosi’s resignation.

The mosque issue will fade in due time. But with Breitbart and Beck now on the case, it looks to me like it’s going to get much worse for Dems before it gets better.

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petefrt on August 18, 2010 at 4:32 PM

rickyricardo on August 18, 2010 at 4:24 PM

I’m not sure we’ll like the GOP on economic issues, when difficult choices come their way.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Someone with a Narcissistic disorder can never admit an error.

slickwillie2001 on August 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM

The mask is off.
Might as well go balls to the wall.
The suckers bought the line of crapola when it counted.
Who knows, the Audacity of Bullshit worked once, why not double down?

Bruno Strozek on August 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM

INC on August 18, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Pretty sure that was from Ohio. He had a Q&A from adoring fans in someone’s back yard.

Ugly on August 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM

“Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions). Rarely acknowledges mistakes and/or imperfections

Nails Obozo to a T (or in his case, tee).

Cicero43 on August 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM

I’ve run out of popcorn!

Fuzzlenutter on August 18, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Listening to Walid Shoebat talking about Rauf here.

http://live.radioamerica.org/loudwater/player.pl?upload=6623&name=wnd

Connie on August 18, 2010 at 4:35 PM

I made this modest proposal on another thread, but I’d like to repeat it here. The mosque should give the Burlington Coat Factory site to the Greek Orthodox church that was destroyed on 9/11 and has been bogged down in red tape trying to rebuild. The mosque should take the governor’s offer to build elsewhere. Such a move on their part would do a lot more to build bridges than their current proposal. If good will is really their intension.

Disturb the Universe on August 18, 2010 at 4:35 PM

“I do not regret commenting on the Hamosque, however, I will not comment on the wisdom of my comment,” Hussein Obooba.

Akzed on August 18, 2010 at 4:36 PM

What was the economic impact of the downing of the twin towers and near-by buildings, not including the structures and loss of life? The effects on trade must have been felt worldwide by this cultural issue.

midlander on August 18, 2010 at 4:36 PM

If good will is really their intension.

Disturb the Universe on August 18, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Goodwill was never their intention.

Cicero43 on August 18, 2010 at 4:36 PM

On a serious note, though, I do agree with Rove and various other GOP strategists that it’d be foolish (and potentially destructive) for Republican pols to hammer this issue too hard.

I wouldn’t characterize it as foolish so much as unnecessary. The American public is already on “our” side as it relates to the mosque. What the GOP needs to do is leverage this anger at Dems. towards a more comprehensive vision that stands against what the Dems. have been doing since 2006. That way you utilize the passion, without making a mockery out of it, while presenting a serious and sober agenda of a Constitutionally limited Federal Government and fiscal responsibility.

Weight of Glory on August 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM

The mosque should take the governor’s offer to build elsewhere.

At this point, I bet America wishes NY Governor Paterson would offer Obama the chance to relocate elsewhere.

ChrisB on August 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM

And now… For my next trick!!! I’m taking ANOTHER Vacay-Cay!

BoBama

Key West Reader on August 18, 2010 at

How about a one-way ticket to the sunny, shimmering sands of Mecca? They’ll love your mosque there, B. Hussein Obama!

Steve Z on August 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Disturb the Universe on August 18, 2010 at 4:35 PM

A. Beware Muslims bearing gifts.

B. Paterson’s offer was for govt land to be donated for the hamosque, meaning a +-$5M donation of taxpayer assets.

Akzed on August 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Of course he regrets it.

Sorry , but no.
He doesn’t regret it at all.
The jihadies don’t regret it, hamas doesn’t regret it, the democrats don’t regret it.
We are assuming that he is has to choose between a mosque and American public and he is confused. He is not confused. He knows what he wants.

macncheez on August 18, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Obama: I Do Not Regret Commenting On Mosque

….this obviously calls for Obama to be investigated.

………right Nancy?????

Baxter Greene on August 18, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Cicero43 on August 18, 2010 at 4:36 PM

I know, but this would be the perfect way to prove otherwise. Not considering it shows them for who they truly are.

Disturb the Universe on August 18, 2010 at 4:39 PM

He regrets it the way a kid regrets getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

They want the cookie, they just don’t want the trouble they are in!

sharrukin on August 18, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Obama: “No regrets” on weighing in on Ground Zero mosque

He expects people to believe that? I doubt if he even believes it.

Tav on August 18, 2010 at 4:40 PM

How else could he respond? “Why yes, in light of the catastrophic polling on this issue for my party, I should have avoided even the lame, equivocating statement I gave initially”?

I agree that there is no way he COULD say that.

Too bad that it is exactly what he SHOULD say.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 4:40 PM

I think a long windy lecture from The One explaining to the 65 percent of the public that opposes the mosque why they’re xenophobic yokels is just what the doctor ordered for a midterm rebound.

He absolutely needs to explain his position more. there’s a very strong case to be made for backing this mosque, he has not made. He’s merely said they have the right to build there and implied that he supports its construction, but he has not given his reasons why.

I agree with Halperin that he needs to. I think a lot of the opposition to it is based on misinformation. One of the more vocal posters against it in another thread softened his stand when he found out the center isn’t AT ground zero or even directly adjacent to it.

And there’s tons of misinformation and demonization about Rauf and his organization floating around out there that “moderate” republicans like Allah and Ed ignore while stoking the flames of opposition to the center.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Even after this issue subsides, it will leave a bruise. Folks already had misgivings about Øbama‘s values and allegiances. His position here confirms these suspicions.

petefrt on August 18, 2010 at 4:42 PM

One of our top Tea Party bloggers concurs with AP on the need to focus on the economy: Free campaign advice

Meanwhile, CA citizens are attempting a “hostile take-over of the GOP” via its Cap&Trade stance: CA Tea Party Takeover Target #1: e-Meg @ GOP Fall Convention in San Diego – Aug. 20, 5pm

I can see November from my house.

Mutnodjmet on August 18, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Mr Dumbo. Let Me Be Clear!. We already knew you were going to go against US.

hawkman on August 18, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Custer: “No regrets” on weighing in at Little Bighorn.

Tav on August 18, 2010 at 4:43 PM

there’s a very strong case to be made for backing this mosque

Yeah. No there isn’t.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Still think you’re a B+ Mr prez?

ouldbollix on August 18, 2010 at 4:45 PM

I think a lot of the opposition to it is based on misinformation. One of the more vocal posters against it in another thread softened his stand when he found out the center isn’t AT ground zero or even directly adjacent to it.

Landing gear fell through the roof. I’d call that “Ground Zero.”

There are more than a hundred mosques in the five boroughs. Isn’t that enough? Is there really a need to build an obviously triumphalist structure like this less than two blocks from the WTC? Put the talking points aside, pull your head out of your ass and realize what’s happening here.

Cicero43 on August 18, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Nixon: “No regrets” on weighing in on Watergate.

Tav on August 18, 2010 at 4:45 PM

I think a lot of the opposition to it is based on misinformation. One of the more vocal posters against it in another thread softened his stand when he found out the center isn’t AT ground zero or even directly adjacent to it.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM

The location isn’t precisely the point of why they put it there?

Iman Rauf begs to differ…

“New York is the capital of the world, and this location close to 9/11 is iconic.”

sharrukin on August 18, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Odumbo’s nose just grew another inch!

rjoco1 on August 18, 2010 at 4:46 PM

If it has a name like a Muslim, walks like a Muslim, talks like a Muslim, and bows like a Muslim – it’s a Muslim.

We know who’s side Hussein Obama is on, and it’s not ours.

Hammer him on this and every other one of his gigantic failures and gaffes from now until election day. He’s an America hater, pure and simple.

fogw on August 18, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Sure. In Langley Va.

Ugly on August 18, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Say it ain’t so!!

fourdeucer on August 18, 2010 at 4:47 PM

Poor Halperin. Been drinking the kool aid for so long, he now insists on taking the powder straight.

This is a classic case of a politician losing control of his public image on a key issue — only in this instance, it has implications for the whole world.

Yeah, Mark, the sun won’t come up tomorrow.

GarandFan on August 18, 2010 at 4:47 PM

Captain of the Titanic: “No regrets” on weighing in on that iceberg.

Tav on August 18, 2010 at 4:47 PM

In regards to the mosque, does anyone think the government would sanction the reincarnated David Koresh to build a Branch Dividian compound anywhere?

fourdeucer on August 18, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Or what would happen to somebody who tried to distribute copies of The Turner Diaries or The Protocols of the Elders of Zion outside the Holocaust Museum.

We have the right to do a lot of things. That doesn’t make them any less stupid.

JohnGalt23 on August 18, 2010 at 4:47 PM

I think if a politician wanted to suggest to the developers that they take everyone’s “feelings” into consideration on the matter it would be okay. Since they really have no power in the decision, no vote to be made, it would be a waste of time to get to bogged down.

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 4:47 PM

KEEP DIGGING!

Pretty soon he will get all the way to Kenya or Indonesia.

Mr. Joe on August 18, 2010 at 4:48 PM

fogw on August 18, 2010 at 4:46 PM

That’s what the press is for. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 4:49 PM

He says he doesn’t regret it because he totally regrets it. Clusterfark. He should have stayed out of it entirely. Gibbs’ incompetent statement was enough.

Bee on August 18, 2010 at 4:49 PM

Obama overload. I bet this guy is the most exposed, vis-a-vis television, president in history and he has only been in office 19 months.

This is why I was smart. Canceled my satellite service the day after the election. I live in the country so no satellite means no television. With the help of Netflix and Hulu, I have survived quite nicely.

But guess what? In three weeks time, I am renewing my satellite service so I will be able to watch the Mid-terms disaster that will bury the liberals and Obama in several mega-tons of debris.

carbon_footprint on August 18, 2010 at 4:49 PM

Captain of the Hindenburg: “No regrets” on using hydrogen.

Tav on August 18, 2010 at 4:49 PM

My God people!!! Can’t the moron just eat his waffle, or his burger, or his waigu steak? Geeeeeeeeeze!!! ROFL!!!

I agree. He definitely regrets it, but like any good idiot, he’ll lie, like he’s never lied before!

capejasmine on August 18, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Michael Dukakus: “No regrets” on riding in that tank and paroling Willy Horton.

Tav on August 18, 2010 at 4:51 PM

carbon_footprint on August 18, 2010 at 4:49 PM

I -might- have just have to watch MSNBC for the first time ever; just to bask.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Yes, the media is trying to spin this as a GOP fiasco. But Morning Joe also spent considerable time this morning painting the imam as a cross between Captain Kangaroo and Mr. Rogers. They breathlessly reported every contact that he had with the Bush administration for eight years.

BuckeyeSam on August 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM

I think a long windy lecture from The One explaining to the 65 percent of the public that opposes the mosque why they’re xenophobic yokels is just what the doctor ordered for a midterm rebound.

As fun as this sounds, please no more of this man on my TV screen.

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM

And there’s tons of misinformation and demonization about Rauf and his organization floating around out there that “moderate” republicans like Allah and Ed ignore while stoking the flames of opposition to the center.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Really? Such as? Is it misinformation that he is connected to people that support Hamas and Hezbollah? Is it misinformation that he has never condemned 9/11 without qualification?

Misinformation for a lib means actual facts that hurt my position.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Emperor Hirohito: “No regrets” on attacking Pearl Harbor.

Tav on August 18, 2010 at 4:53 PM

If it has a name like a Muslim, walks like a Muslim, talks like a Muslim, and bows like a Muslim – it’s a Muslim.

We know who’s side Hussein Obama is on, and it’s not ours.

Hammer him on this and every other one of his gigantic failures and gaffes from now until election day. He’s an America hater, pure and simple.

fogw on August 18, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Interesting, I said something similar about 20 minutes ago..

I agree wholeheartedly

Viper1 on August 18, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Bill Clinton: It depends on what the meaning of sex is and what the meaning of regret is and what the meaning of is, is.

Tav on August 18, 2010 at 4:55 PM

I -might- have just have to watch MSNBC for the first time ever; just to bask.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2010 at 4:51 PM

I’ve already got November 3 penciled in on my calendar as a day off. I can’t wait to see the looks on the drive-bys’ faces the morning after.

Doughboy on August 18, 2010 at 4:55 PM

I -might- have just have to watch MSNBC for the first time ever; just to bask.

lorien1973 on August 18, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Oh absolutely! I bet MSNBC has the best rating ever just from conservatives tuning in to watch the meltdown.

carbon_footprint on August 18, 2010 at 4:56 PM

I think a lot of the opposition to it is based on misinformation. One of the more vocal posters against it in another thread softened his stand when he found out the center isn’t AT ground zero or even directly adjacent to it.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM

I’m pretty sure I’m the person you are talking about. Funny how you never answered my questions to you over there yet seek to use me over here. I softened my position to the point of thinking we need to have a clear and reasonable idea of how close is too close. I did not say that I agree the mosque should be built there. And there was no “misinformation” as to the people trying to build it, their connections to unsavory groups (to say the least) or anything like that. I simply hadn’t followed this issue closely enough to know where the mosque location is relative to the WTC site.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2010 at 4:56 PM

The bottom line is that if these individuals wanted “outreach” and “tolerance” – they would demur to the very emotional response of a vast majority who feels this should not be built in that location. The very fact that they are not belies their claims. Which is fine – they don’t have to be honest about their reasons to build, just like we don’t have to agree to it and have the freedom to oppose building it. Just like liberals all over the country oppose building any Wal Marts.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2010 at 4:59 PM

When Bozo Obama gets nothing but more egg on his face
Hurrah! Hurrah!
We’ll give him yet another Big Bronx cheer then
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The Hotair men will yell and shout
The Hotair ladies they will all turn out
And Obama’s reign will be as good as dead by November time this year!

The blogs and radio waves will peal with joy
Hurrah! Hurrah!
To ridicule the empty headed and empty handed boy
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The Hotair lads and lassies say
With even more dripping sarcasm we will strew his way
And Obama’s reign will be as good as dead by November time this year!

Get ready for the Celebration Jubilee
Hurrah! Hurrah!
We’ll reveal Zero for all the rest of the world to see
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The dunce cap is ready now
To place upon his narcissistic brow
And Obama’s reign will be as good as dead by November time this year!

Let an American Revival be born on that day
Hurrah, Hurrah!
It’s choicest pleasures then display
Hurrah, Hurrah!
And let each one perform some part
To fill with joy the patriot’s heart
And we’ll all feel great
When Obama’s reign is as good as dead by November time this year!

Cheshire Cat on August 18, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Stupidity isn’t a defect to Obama, it’s a feature.

notagool on August 18, 2010 at 5:02 PM

I think a lot of the opposition to it is based on misinformation. One of the more vocal posters against it in another thread softened his stand when he found out the center isn’t AT ground zero or even directly adjacent to it.
Shipley Idjit on August 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Landing gear fell through the roof. I’d call that “Ground Zero.”

There are more than a hundred mosques in the five boroughs. Isn’t that enough? Is there really a need to build an obviously triumphalist structure like this less than two blocks from the WTC? Put the talking points aside, pull your head out of your ass and realize what’s happening here.

Cicero43 on August 18, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Very nicely put! Too bad that Shipley Idjit will never get it.

Ogabe on August 18, 2010 at 5:02 PM

he found out the center isn’t AT ground zero or even directly adjacent to it.

….the very building that stands there was hit with the landing gear of one of the planes….that is ground zero….keep spinning though….your ignorance has been astounding today.

And there’s tons of misinformation and demonization about Rauf and his organization floating around out there that “moderate” republicans like Allah and Ed ignore while stoking the flames of opposition to the center.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM


….yea you could start with people stating that anyone who opposes this is a “racist and a bigot”….

….you could also include the mis-information that this is only a “community center”….

….you could also include why Americans are being told to be tolerant when Rauf himself considers a business that serves gay people beside the Mosque as being “intolerant”.


….you could also include in that mis-information that people who don’t support the mosque being built there are against freedom of religion or saying that muslims don’t have the right to build a mosque…all of this untrue.


…you could also include the liberals that have compared the opponents of this mosque to the jihadist that perpetrated 9/11….


..you could also include why NY City is pushing the building of this mosque ahead of the “rebuilding” of a church that was already there…..


…you could also explain why the democratic Senate leader is allowed to keep his position since it has been made clear by democrats that opposition to this mosque being built at Ground Zero is “racist” and reveals you to be an al-qaeda terrorist.

….it is hilarious to have liberals like Tom whine and cry about “politicizing and misinformation” on the heels of politicizing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for their own political gain.

….no credibility what-so-ever.

Baxter Greene on August 18, 2010 at 5:03 PM

One of the more vocal posters against it in another thread softened his stand when he found out the center isn’t AT ground zero or even directly adjacent to it.

Big deal, put the mosque right on the edge of the crater, because it is after all a community center mosque dedicated to outreach and will supposedly include a meditation room devoted to 911. Right?

Bishop on August 18, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Ugly on August 18, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Thanks!

INC on August 18, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Has this thread run it’s course yet?

Gob on August 18, 2010 at 5:06 PM

One of the more vocal posters against it in another thread softened his stand when he found out the center isn’t AT ground zero or even directly adjacent to it.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM

I believe someone pointed out on another thread than an engine from one of the planes that the followers of Mohammad and the koran used to murder almost 3,000 people landed where the Grand Victory Mega Mosque is to be victoriously erected. In any case it is to be built well within the blast field of body parts. But you keep on trying to peddle your big points in your own mind.

Tav on August 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM

I’m sure gonna enjoy your regret come this November. . . .

karra on August 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM

I think a long windy lecture from The One explaining to the 65 percent of the public that opposes the mosque why they’re xenophobic yokels is just what the doctor ordered for a midterm rebound.

Oh yes, please do it Barry. It’s exactly what the country needs right now: another hectoring, condescending lecture on America’s most deeply-held Constitutional values from the son of a Kenyan Communist, who calls our Constitution a “flawed” document, and refers to himself as a “Citizen of the World.”

Please school us some more, Dear Leader. We stupid, bitter, Bible-clinging rubes just can’t be expected to comprehend the principles set forth in our Constitution without the expert guidance of one of our Ivy-educated “elites.”

AZCoyote on August 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM

For every one part mosque messaging, I’d prefer 10 parts messaging on jobs and the economy

As Don Corleone said to Michael:”Mention it–don’t insist on it”

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on August 18, 2010 at 5:07 PM

And there’s tons of misinformation and demonization about Rauf and his organization floating around out there that “moderate” republicans like Allah and Ed ignore while stoking the flames of opposition to the center.

Tom_Shipley on August 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM

And there’s plenty that you’re ignoring, like his connection to the Flotilla raid, and his nuanced support of Sharia (I read the article and it only condemned its enforcement, not its barbaric laws – he expressively spoke of the need for modesty in law).

Face it, you’ve taken the knee jerk reaction just as much as Muslim haters have.

Esthier on August 18, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Mary Lincoln: “No regrets” in going to see Our American Cousin.

carbon_footprint on August 18, 2010 at 5:08 PM

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