Dr. Laura quits radio to “regain my First Amendment rights”

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2010 at 12:30 PM

You refuse to substantiate your support for Bradky saying that I must have been a leftist, and your assertion that I should embrace YOUR ridiculous “birther” definition, as if there is no constitutional foundation for recognizing Obama’s illegitimate POTUS circumstances of birth.

And it wasn’t I picking on Obama’s legitimacy as a point upon which you and Bradky ranted on “leftist” and “birther”.

You are a revisionist failing to recognize the efficacy of historical records. Inconvenience is your excuse, but that doesn’t measure what you allow destroyed out of your own vanity. Pegging my view as leftist and ignorantly birther proves your own intolerance for constitutional conservatism, Madisoneoconservative.

Regarding the campaign, you know that I supported Fred Thompson’s because of his constitutional platform. You didn’t. Age-ist, admit what you helped into office.

maverick muse on August 18, 2010 at 12:47 PM

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Better a neoconservative than an anti-semitic crank paleocon like Pat Buchanan and his ilk.

So there we have it! Anyone not a “better” neoconservative necessarily falls into “an anti-semitic crank paleocon like Pat Buchanan and his ilk.” Pathetic!

You have a serious problem, rather than addressing your own faults, making assertions whether blatant lie or nasty innuendo, as if distracting from your own revisionism.

Your “better than” nuance colors YOU, not others. Don’t fail to recognize that your cloak and dagger routine exposes your true colors.

As if everyone who has a difference of opinion with you must be antisemitic.

maverick muse on August 18, 2010 at 1:11 PM

MadisonConservative brought antisemitism into the conversation to distract from his own lack of constitutional conservancy that he eschews as strictly paleocon, having launched into paleocons as antisemitic.

Ron Paul is a paleocon, as is Buchanan. Their attitudes on Israel, and their tendency to wander into The Protocols references are quite similar.

MadisonConservative on August 18, 2010 at 2:12 PM

There are many Israeli Jews who disagree with MadisonConservative. Two examples rebutting his racist slur against Libertarians come from an Israeli economist below, the other an Israeli politician who was awarded recognition for her humane services.

When I watched these remarks form Ben Stein I was simply outraged. I am sick and tired of the fact that everyone that is against a blind continuation of the “War on Terror” being labeled as anti- Semitic. Ron Paul is a brave crusader for freedom and liberty and I have never heard a word come out of his mouth that is even slightly of anti-Semitic racist nature.

The fact one wants to stop the war in Iraq doesn’t make him anti-Israel or anti-Semitic

The fact one wants to stop the war in Afghanistan doesn’t make him an anti-Israel or anti-Semitic

The fact one wants to stop foreign aid doesn’t make him an anti-Israel or anti-Semitic

The fact one is for a policy of non intervention doesn’t make him an anti-Israel or anti-Semitic.

The fact one wants Israel to leave the West Bank doesn’t make him an anti-Israel or anti-Semitic

I am a Jewish Israeli so I fell quite sure that no one can blame me of being anti-Semitic and I say to you very loud and clear: I support Ron Paul (See: The Financial Expert supports Ron Paul: Why a policy of non intervention is good for the U.S Israel and the rest of the world )

Saying that the occupation in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the West Bank is motivating terror is a simple fact and not a justification of the actions of the terrorists. Here is a simple fact: money printing and inflation bring poverty that makes crime more likely. By saying that am I supporting crime? No. Anyone that does a crime needs to go to jail and terrorists that murder innocent people deserve to die but fighting endless wars only encourages them and doesn’t help by any means to stop terrorism. When you print money like crazy and impoverish the low and middle class don’t be surprised if you wake up with crime rates like in Brazil, Zimbabwe or Argentina. And when you carpet bomb villages don’t be surprised if you find out that millions worldwide have now become your new enemies.

Israeli Financial Expert

And of that ’08 GOP potus primary debate, Ron Paul didn’t agree with the host that “the US invited 9/11 to happen”. His entire explanation had nothing to do with the word or inference “invite”–rather, he recalled history as it substantiates his own views.

His Libertarian and constitutional point was to remind the public that traditionally, Republicans were NOT neoconservative “nation builder” interventionists; rather, Republicans traditionally stayed out of wars and followed non-interventionism along the lines advocated by George Washington in his presidential final address. Paul’s point was to not go to war carelessly, because then things go poorly. He agreed with Reagan, that we don’t understand the irrationality of Muslim behavior and Middle Eastern politics.

Ron Paul did NOT say that he thought “the US invited 9/11,” as Rudy stated in response.

Not that I supported Ron Paul’s campaign, but it’s wrong to misrepresent the record, to convert it into something evil in order to sabotage what is legitimate. That sort of revisionism is all the more reprehensible when performed to advance a fraud.

As a matter of record, having nothing to do with what MadisonConservative says what criticism of Israel “all boils down to”, Israel performed a vicious American attack during LBJ’s administration.

Example of “Big Lie” anti-American propaganda

In his propaganda work, The Liberty Incident, A. Jay Cristol flatly asserts as fact that there have been “five official Congressional investigations” into the Israeli attack on USS Liberty and all of them have exonerated Israel of any wrongdoing.

This statement has been widely quoted and cited as evidence that the Israeli attack has been fully investigated and found to have been an accident. The statement meets the classic definition of “big lie propaganda:” If you tell a big enough lie often enough, people will come to believe it as true.

That this statement is a lie is beyond controversy. Cristol has been called upon repeatedly to produce evidence to support this claim – he has refused to do so. Official Congressional investigations leave a paper trail, yet there is no evidence of any alleged investigations anywhere in the records of Congress.

In response to a request for all such records, the Librarian of Congress replied as follows:

“After checking numerous resources, including the CIS (Congressional Information Service) Indexes to Congressional Hearings (both published and unpublished), and the Public Documents Masterfile, I could find no evidence that the Congress ever held hearings or launched an investigation into the June 8, 1967 incident with the USS Liberty.”

Anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty or integrity would either withdraw the claim of “five official Congressional investigations” or offer proof in support of the claim. Cristol has done neither. Instead, he continues to trumpet his Big Lie in the hope that if he repeats it often enough, people will believe it.

USS Liberty Memorial

The Cover Up
Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.

In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law. In accordance with international law and treaties, the United States is obligated to investigate the allegations. So far, the United States has declined even to acknowledge that the report has been filed. The full text of the report can be found at http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf

Anti-Semitism and the Anti-American Apologists
The USS Liberty Memorial web site abhors the racist and extreme positions taken by antiSemitic, Holocaust denial, conspiracy theorist and other such groups which often seek to identify with us and to usurp our story as their own. We have no connection with and do not support or encourage support from any of these groups including National Alliance, National Vanguard, The New Order, National Socialists, The French Connection, Liberty Lobby, American Free Press, Republic Broadcasting, USS Liberty Radio Hour, Storm Front or other such groups. We wish harm to no one and encourage social justice and equality for everyone; we seek only accountability for the criminal acts perpetrated against us and can do that without help from hate-mongers.

On the Israeli side, the group of pro-Israel, anti-American critics of our story, while small, persists in launching loud, vicious ad hominem attacks on anyone who attempts to discuss the deliberateness of the attack. These anti-American apologists refuse to discuss the facts of the case. Instead, they rely on propaganda and charge anyone who questions the Israeli position with being antiSemitic.

For detailed and authoritative accounts of the power and influence of the pro-Israel lobby, please see The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy by Mearsheimer and Walt and The Pro-Israel Lobby by Edward Herman.

The Betrayal of American Veterans

maverick muse on August 18, 2010 at 5:48 PM