Quotes of the day
posted at 10:35 pm on August 17, 2010 by Allahpundit
Over the weekend, Politico’s Ben Smith and Maggie Haberman pointed out the Republican defenders of the “ground zero mosque” were vastly outnumbered by Republicans who catered to “hostility toward Islam among many Republican voters” and saw openings to attack Democrats over national security. There’s no question that those Republicans are winning the argument. But they’re winning the argument because they’re not the only people who think big shows of American tolerance will fail to stop terrorists from recruiting…
The 2009 Arab Opinion Poll, conducted by the Saban Center for Middle East Policy, showed Obama single-handedly spiking Muslim optimism about American foreign policy up to 51 percent. In the 2010 poll, it fell back to a Bush-level 16 percent. The Obama magic fell flat here, too: In February 2010, a poll for the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies found 53 percent of Americans viewing Islam unfavorably.
The bad feelings weren’t all Obama’s fault. They were the result of reality crashing in, of foreign policy remaining a mess. But they’re like the bitterness that Americans feel about the 2009 economic stimulus, which was oversold and has become politically toxic because its success is hard to measure. So it shouldn’t come as a surprise that the promise of the Cordoba Initiative, the group involved in the planned mosque for Lower Manhattan, is easy for conservatives and Republicans to deride. When Americans are asked to look past their initial reactions and back the building of the mosque because it will send a good message, they’re being asked to believe in a new kind of hope and change.
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Faced with difficult choices, the alleged party of small government always retreats to the lazy politics of Kulturkampf. Hey, that guy’s a “card-carrying member” of the ACLU! Ask me about my flag-burning amendment!
John Cornyn, R-Texas, head of GOP efforts to take back the Senate this fall, plans to make the Park51 “mosque” a major campaign issue. It’s all too typical: Feed the rubes conservative identity politics, and, with luck, they’ll be too distracted to notice you’ve grafted a Republican “K Street Project” atop the same old edifice of Big Government.
The establishment Right wants to play the Tea Party movement for suckers. It remains to be seen whether they’ll play along.
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Somebody’s got to say that, “We’re not going to act like the people who stole freedom from Americans, the people who attacked America and killed 3,000 people.”
Blowback
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Your point is wrong! There are probably more Democrats coming out against this right now than vociferous Republicans. If not more then at least equal after Barry made it a major issue for National politicians.
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 12:43 AM
I’m sure he did. That smells a lot more like desperation in trying to save his political career and less about his actual political beliefs or the beliefs of his party.
Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 12:43 AM
Is that true about the opening date? That seems to be a pretty ambitious time line for something that doesn’t even have financing yet.
Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 12:44 AM
Or perhaps their accent.
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 12:46 AM
Right, the Left opposes the mosque and the Right supports it. That’s what’s happening here.
Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 12:46 AM
PR your use of the”illegal”argument is dishonest. Learn that from the prez?
Most are not asking the federal government to step so this is not an issue of the Constitution.
This is a winning issue for the pubs and thank you Pres. Obama for goofing up whatever your point was. Laughable.
CWforFreedom on August 18, 2010 at 12:46 AM
That date wasn’t chosen according to project management.
exception on August 18, 2010 at 12:46 AM
PR 70 percent of Americans oppose it. Suppose a good chunk of those are on the left?
CWforFreedom on August 18, 2010 at 12:47 AM
Or are not articulate and have an accent.
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 12:47 AM
Yes that is/was the planned opening date..
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 12:48 AM
You may have heard of the “professional left”? You know, your peeps?
faraway on August 18, 2010 at 12:48 AM
You can have that point. In war, love and politics all is fair. Your side has made the latter so. I wish the right would be way more aggressive than they are. Your side has reached hypocritical and elitist impertinence. There is nothing they wouldn’t exploit or sell their objectivity or soul for, nothing. I speak of the left. The little the right do, have at it.
Schadenfreude on August 18, 2010 at 12:48 AM
So Harry Reid pulls an identical approach to Angle’s, something you identify as a cynical election-year ploy, but it’s only the Republicans who are trying to use the controversy to their advantage? Ok then.
Now you’re using the term “equally bigoted”. Equally bigoted refers to who exactly, because if liberal Obama-voting New Yorkers are joining the ranks of the anti-mosque crowd then there must be a few bigots running around on the left.
How does it feel to belong to a party which accepts bigots such as Senator Jack Reed (demorat)?
Bishop on August 18, 2010 at 12:49 AM
exception.so it was chose by?
CWforFreedom on August 18, 2010 at 12:49 AM
bishop put your waders on
CWforFreedom on August 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM
Stole this from a friend
I like this idea because it really allows for an open exchange/competition of beliefs.
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 12:50 AM
The polls show something like 70% against the mosque overlooking Ground Zero. Do you think the that 70% of the country, heck even 60% of the country, are on the right/conservative?
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 12:51 AM
Actually, the Left opposes it and so does the Right. Only the far Left supports it.
Good Solid B-Plus on August 18, 2010 at 12:54 AM
Which in effect means that after the 52% enlightened, non racist, progressive, forward thinking voted for PBHO in 2008, huge numbers of those same people turned around and became bigoted islamophobes.
Man, the times they are a changin’.
Bishop on August 18, 2010 at 12:55 AM
It would be hard to get 70% of Americans to agree what toppings to put on a pizza..so for anyone to say this is just the right pushing this is being very naive..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 12:56 AM
Think of the movie War Games and the Tic Tac Toe scene, cannot compute! Liberal heads would explode trying to figure out how to defend religious freedom for the mosque and then shut down all the others.
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 12:57 AM
Yeah, including trolls on this site who shriek at people saying they shouldn’t build it there, then say that building it there is a bad idea.
exception on August 18, 2010 at 12:58 AM
Doesn’t that smack of reinforcing the Victory Mosque theory? Is “HA HA” going to written out using windows and trim?
Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 12:58 AM
Exactly, PR and other trolls like to dismiss this fact at all times.
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 12:59 AM
Hey concerned troll, answer my question..
macncheez on August 18, 2010 at 1:00 AM
And the only reason they support it is the chance to call the Right bigots. Not that they need a reason but this time it will get more press.
Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 1:00 AM
I say call their bluff… seriously. Let Gutfeld build his Dialog and bus in the Fundie Christians… While you’re at it, I wonder if we could get the Pot-Heads involved.
Hey, it’s the ultimate Free Market approach … and like you said, lefty heads would be exploding. Bloomberg would denounce it as hate-speech. I say bring it on!
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:00 AM
Meanwhile the ACLU works to remove the Mojave Desert veterans memorial cross and the left utters not a peep. Private land owned by a private party, but that cross has to come down now and I mean RIGHT NOW.
Bishop on August 18, 2010 at 1:01 AM
It would seem that way to me Cindy..That would be so sad..
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:02 AM
You did know that Bloomberg is President now..
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:04 AM
Oh, I am with you! Fight every fight with everything we have from now on. Play by their rules and here them screech about how unfair it is.
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 1:05 AM
May as well be… he embraces Charlie Rangel just as much as BHO.
Now, speaking of Rangel … if we got a whole bunch of Christians to go to the GZM and start praying for conversion … do you think Rangel’s supporters would get out there and start giving people the finger?
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:05 AM
And remember, from a Christian perspective … this is the right thing to do. This is a Christian’s calling. To bring the light to the world.
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:06 AM
Hey PR, you never answered how far Park51 would have to be from GZ for it to not be in bad taste. Gosh, almost like you’re dodging the question….
Good Solid B-Plus on August 18, 2010 at 1:06 AM
Not unless you throw in some free TV’s and Booze..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:07 AM
Yupp!
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 1:07 AM
Heh… I think those supporters are going to be sitting this one out. Obama has let them down so far, after all.
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:08 AM
And, since BHO claims he’s a (practicing) Christian, the Christian groups could invite the leader of this predominantly Christian country to come down to GZ and pray for God’s will with them…
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:09 AM
What do you think of the John Stewart take on this GZ Mosque?
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:10 AM
How can he be a praticing Christian when he did not hear a word Rev. Wright said for 20 + years?..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:12 AM
Hey PR, you never answered how far Park51 would have to be from GZ for it to not be in bad taste. Gosh, almost like you’re dodging the question….
Good Solid B-Plus on August 18, 2010 at 1:06 AM
I think he has retreated to his libtard masters to get some new talking points, the ones he had were not working out so much.
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 1:12 AM
LOL!..He took a beating using the ones he had..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:13 AM
I don’t really listen to JS. I find him pushing propaganda. :/
Perhaps he lapsed for a while…
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:14 AM
Easy, he just asks for forgiveness for the LIE about not hearing and agreeing with the good Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Easier to ask forgiveness for only one thing than 20 years of wrong!
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 1:14 AM
Check this out..I still can’t believe he did this..
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:16 AM
I don’t want or need none of that forgiveness..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:18 AM
Really? I’m not sure if JS values anything the CC does. :/
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:19 AM
Goodnight everyone, sweet dreams.
Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 1:20 AM
He bought that job too ?
:P
macncheez on August 18, 2010 at 1:21 AM
But It was just stupid..IMHO..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:22 AM
I guess so ..according to Nora..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:23 AM
Sadly, I can believe it!
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 1:24 AM
Of course. His whole show is stupid. I’m not trying to sound like some high-above-the-fray person, but the majority of his show is bashing Conservatives and mangling our Principles. He’s the type of guy that hyperventilates when one talks about Capitalism. He was dumbfounded when Goldberg went on his show.
I realize that once and a while he says something that Conservatives find funny, but the majority of the time he’s pretty much just lying. I’m just not into him.
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:24 AM
Goodnight.
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 1:24 AM
Oh, night, Cindy.
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:25 AM
He ran out of ……….lotion !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QuZnfZ9Q0E&feature=related
macncheez on August 18, 2010 at 1:25 AM
Good point..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:26 AM
Goodnite..bite some bedbugs..
:-)
macncheez on August 18, 2010 at 1:27 AM
Agree, I have never been able to watch his show!
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 1:27 AM
LOL!..you are on a roll tonight..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:27 AM
Good Night Cindy..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:29 AM
Ha. That’s great.
But seriously, not to take ourselves too seriously, but how many trolls here do you think work for or pass stuff onto MediaMutters?
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:30 AM
Everyone swore that he’d have to start ripping Obama apart just like he did with Bush… sorry but a few swipes here and there is nothing like what he tried to do to Bush. Now he needs to take on Glenn Beck and crap. It’s just not that “honest” for someone that is making fun of the “liars”
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:31 AM
I am sure they monitor it..Esp. when ElRushbo mentions it..speaking of this..Remember when Bill O Reilly did that hit piece on Hot Air?..
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:34 AM
Good question, I have always figured the flow was theother way. They collect their points and come pass them to us but thinking about it, passing our (conservative website)points back is probably more valuable to create their talking points.
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 1:35 AM
None. They all do standard troll stuff, just like they do on every site this side of 4chan.
exception on August 18, 2010 at 1:35 AM
Also don’t forget Olbermann made Captain Ed..Worst Person in the World one time if I remember correct..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM
Yeah… now imagine if he checked in. We would have the great people like NutterButter making us proud!
The flow could go both ways. All I do know is that some of the trolls come here and go as far as admit they are simply trying to get someone to say something stupid for them to store away…
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:37 AM
What a disappointment he is! Gerson called him a conservative tonight and just when I was yelling that he is not, Bill jumped in and said it for me. Bill O was told for a year what Healthcare would do and now he wants to act like his premiums going up is a surprise. TOOL!
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 1:37 AM
Heh. Well, one should take it as a compliment to end up on that goofy show.
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:38 AM
BillO has some of the characteristics of a Progressive. While I wonder if he’s actually a Traditionalist (and thus I suppose you could argue Conservative), from an economic pov … he’s not conservative. Then again, there are a lot of “conservatives” running around here that don’t know the first thing about Conservative Principles.
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:40 AM
A different Tune Nora will sing
When Sheria Law gives her the sting
A stone’s throw, wearing berqa, from head to toe
Kini on August 18, 2010 at 1:46 AM
True! He really lost me when he said he did not care how Obama got the 20 billion from BP, totally negating our history of juris prudence. I am not defending BP but we do have a system in place to deal with this.
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 1:46 AM
Ok, getting pretty late here in San Antonio, night all!
bluemarlin on August 18, 2010 at 1:49 AM
Bill O reminds me of some of the authoritarian “conservatives” that come to this site (JetBoy and Naruto come to mind).
They bend the law whenever they want something … then they use the law when they want something else.
This is what BOR does. It’s dangerous because eventually you’ll find yourself making an argument solely from an emotional standpoint and you’ll be able to rationalize anything…
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Anyway! I’m tired! I’m out. Later, guys.
MeatHeadinCA on August 18, 2010 at 1:50 AM
And is very wrong – but that never stopped a leftoid.
least1 on August 18, 2010 at 1:57 AM
Later..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 1:59 AM
Later..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 2:00 AM
People like Nora will not think about that..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 2:01 AM
I have family members and extended-family members who are hardcore typical San Fransisco brand lefties, I stick out like a sore thumb.
When I see trolls rambling and raving and ranting with such single minded devotion, like the one we just had on this thread, I feel like I am with my family. So I’ll make a guess here :
There are two kinds of trolls :
1. Those who go looking into various sites/media outlets to see what those sites are editorilizing
Then they get the instructions and talking points ready and send them to the trolls’ inboxes..
2. The trolls we actually get to see are those who just parrot their points for the day. They don’t even know themselves what the implications of their actions would be.
I’m pretty sure their masters track their activity too but just from the outside.
Thats why I love to see trolls being smacked around,because when they are confronted with facts, they react exactly the way lefties in my family react– like jerks . But the troll-masters worry me the most.
I still can’t put my finger on what the core of the leftwing machine is planning next to malign our side , because the feeling I get is that they feel they have lost their mojo after Hussain yapped to muslims about a jihady memorial @ G-0. They know now, they will never be able to recover, atleast not till some really really big story knocks it off the media and blogs. Thats what they are waiting for. So am I
macncheez on August 18, 2010 at 2:05 AM
O/T
Dr Laura announced that she’ll be ending her show by the end of this year..
macncheez on August 18, 2010 at 2:14 AM
Get ready to be investigated, the vindictive witch speaketh
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/08/radical-pelosi-calls-for-investigation-of-ground-zero-victory-mosque-opposition-audio/
macncheez on August 18, 2010 at 2:21 AM
The construction was set to begin on sept 11th.
Construction is due to begin on September 11 next year – the 10th anniversary of the terrorist attack.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1281497/Ground-Zero-mosque-gets-ahead-New-York.html
Hopefully it will never happen!
sharrukin on August 18, 2010 at 2:34 AM
I would not have expected anyhing different from Nan..I say let the games begin..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 2:49 AM
Sorry..:)
Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 2:50 AM
The Lamestream Leftist Media…
Lying liars who lie…
Khun Joe on August 18, 2010 at 2:52 AM
No comments needed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HExD1S25j5M
macncheez on August 18, 2010 at 3:23 AM
Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, are all religions.
Islam is NOT, by definition, a Religion.
Why?
The aforementioned religions deal strictly with a system of beliefs, worship, and codes of condcut, and methods to communicate with the higher power (save for Buddhism), and gain salvation, while Buddhism works toward enlightenment, transendence of the confines of ego, etc.
They do NOT also include Economic and Legal doctrines.
Lslam DOES indluce legal and economic/financial doctrines and practices.
In Islam, adherents don’t just lay out a prayer rug, face Mecca, bow several times, and “pray.” They also follow Sharia Law, which has been used to slaughter homosexuals, beat women who have been victims of rape, stone women to death who have been victims of rape, oppress women, rule over Dihmmies – submissives, and so forth.
Islam believes that all non-believers must convert, or, in lieu of failure to comply with converstion, non believers must submit – as Dihmmies, and pay the jizya – religious tax, to live under the rule of Islam, limiting their freedoms of worship, clothing, personal hygeine, movement, and more.
Islam wants to bring this form of religion, legal system, and even financial system, to the entire world. We are all infidels, targets for their exploitation, dominance, and murder, all justified in the name of Allah.
There is more, but that is enough to illustrate that this is not strictly a “Religious” issue. It is also a legal, financial, and cultueral issue.
The Muslims pushing this Mosque are not showing honesty in their claim that they want to bring harmony and such. If they did, why are they projecting their own bias, bigotray, xenophobia, and cultural apoplexy by not scrubbing their idea, not trying so hard to offend the sensibilities of millions of people, and move their mosque elsewhere?
They already have more than enough mosques in New York City alone to accomodate all Muslims and visitors. Why do they need another one?
All appreances show that obstinate, power hungry, “We must dominate. We will not submit. You will comply!” mindset that is Islam, that has butchered millions of Hindus, Jains, Zoriastrians, Buddhist, Christians, Jews, Ba’hais, etc., throughout the past 1400 years, coerced millions of conversions at the blade of the sword, and dominated millions who submitted and lived at the “mercy” of Islam.
When we are all expendible to Muslims and Islam because were at “Infidels,” people be surprised that some of us are not buying into that whole “Cordoba” project thing?
William2006 on August 18, 2010 at 4:31 AM
The numbers who actually support the Mosque are right around the same numbers of people who have doubts about Obama’s birth origin.
Sooo … basically, only a lunatic “fringe” of the left support the Mosque.
HondaV65 on August 18, 2010 at 6:29 AM
I think the mosque is one of those issues where liberals are for it only because conservative are against it. Even dimwits like Proud Rino understand why building the mosque is wrong. Hell, my dog understands. But they simply cannot go against their messiah. Obama could say 2+2=5 tomorrow and Proud Rino would be here saying anyone who thinks 2+2=4 is racist. Some people are just like that.
angryed on August 18, 2010 at 6:37 AM
since 70% of Americans are against that mosque makes Joe and O’Donnell FRINGE EXTREMISTS!
lilium on August 18, 2010 at 6:56 AM
Remember Flight 93?
Remember the original memorial that was planned before Michelle Malkin, and others, led the charge and it was changed?
It was a crescent moon.
http://michellemalkin.com/2005/09/09/flight-93-memorial-controversy/
Muslims do like to sign their work.
Marcus on August 18, 2010 at 7:02 AM
Act like the people who killed 3,000 Americans? That is insane. Has this imam even denounced Hamas? Have these people shown any sensitivity to the American people? To hell with them. This is an insult to the dead, plain and simple.
Terrye on August 18, 2010 at 7:07 AM
Today, the spin on Morning Joe is to argue that Republicans are overplaying the issue so much that it’s going to backfire on them.
I find that funny. Obama tried to light a little campfire last Friday, which he misplayed into an all-consuming forest fire. And Republicans have, in varying degrees, added some logs to it. Obama started the fire, and he’s still stuck in the middle of it.
One thing that bothers me is that Scarborough repeatedly (you’d think he were being paid for each mention) insists that Gingrich compared all muslims to German Nazis of the the 1930s and 1940s. To my knowledge, the only Gingrich clip I’ve seen showed Gingrich comparing the Obamamosque to Nazis holding a rally at the National Holocaust Museum. A reasonable interpretation of what he said suggests that Newt was talking about modern-day white supremacists (same ideals, but without the blood of 6 million Jews on their hands). The point, I suppose, is that Scarborough is shrieking about a Nazi card that Newt didn’t play.
BuckeyeSam on August 18, 2010 at 7:08 AM
I thought everyone pretty much agreed both parties suck?
The question is this November who sucks less…and which party actually might love America? That would be the GOP.
And while we’re discussing things that suck……Joe Scarborough and anything on MSDNC…….SuperMegaSuck power Activate!!!!
PappyD61 on August 18, 2010 at 7:12 AM
I spoke to a guy at work who knows a union worker in NY who says the Mosque will never be completed anyway. It seems non-stop delays by union construction guys will put this thing as never being completed, as these are New Yorkers who lost people too.
I say build it and pour ten gallons of fresh pig blood at the entrance every morning making it impossible for any Muslim to cross the threshhold. Hang bacon from the door handles as well. It’s supposed to be a multicultural center catering to all. I’m in the swine sacrifice religion and I want my right to worship my swine god, and I want my rights now. All Muslims not partaking of Pork are discriminating my religion, and I want my first amendment rights. They need to placate my religious demands or they are just bigots who can’t respect my Religion of Pork..Muslims are Infidels in my Swine Religion, and I have religious rights too….
adamsmith on August 18, 2010 at 7:15 AM
Another dishonest argument. Wow you are good with those. This is not a freedom of religion argument. Seriously GFY-you are a troll extraordinaire.
CWforFreedom on August 18, 2010 at 7:25 AM
Congratulations, Nora….you’ve just won an all expenses paid trip to Mecca for a clitorectomy!
joe btfsplk on August 18, 2010 at 7:34 AM
Did you see Chuck Todd’s interview? UN-believable.
“This issue is pretty much over.” “I doubt the President will receive one question on it today. You know – he has a small town hall today – in someone’s backyard. They probably won’t ask about the mosque.”
When pointed out that all the New York papers and Washington papers had front page stories on the mosque controversy: Chuck Todd says “This is a beltway issue! Those people in New York think that whatever happens there* is so important to people beyond their borders! It’s not!”
*the murder of 3,000 Americans
Marcus on August 18, 2010 at 7:39 AM
I don’t think there is necessarily a distance at which it would no longer be bad taste. It’s bad taste because they built it to have a dialogue, like they think building a mosque a couple blocks away from Ground Zero is going to help the healing process or something. That’s stupid.
Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 7:53 AM
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