Quotes of the day

posted at 10:35 pm on August 17, 2010 by Allahpundit

Over the weekend, Politico’s Ben Smith and Maggie Haberman pointed out the Republican defenders of the “ground zero mosque” were vastly outnumbered by Republicans who catered to “hostility toward Islam among many Republican voters” and saw openings to attack Democrats over national security. There’s no question that those Republicans are winning the argument. But they’re winning the argument because they’re not the only people who think big shows of American tolerance will fail to stop terrorists from recruiting…

The 2009 Arab Opinion Poll, conducted by the Saban Center for Middle East Policy, showed Obama single-handedly spiking Muslim optimism about American foreign policy up to 51 percent. In the 2010 poll, it fell back to a Bush-level 16 percent. The Obama magic fell flat here, too: In February 2010, a poll for the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies found 53 percent of Americans viewing Islam unfavorably.

The bad feelings weren’t all Obama’s fault. They were the result of reality crashing in, of foreign policy remaining a mess. But they’re like the bitterness that Americans feel about the 2009 economic stimulus, which was oversold and has become politically toxic because its success is hard to measure. So it shouldn’t come as a surprise that the promise of the Cordoba Initiative, the group involved in the planned mosque for Lower Manhattan, is easy for conservatives and Republicans to deride. When Americans are asked to look past their initial reactions and back the building of the mosque because it will send a good message, they’re being asked to believe in a new kind of hope and change.

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Faced with difficult choices, the alleged party of small government always retreats to the lazy politics of Kulturkampf. Hey, that guy’s a “card-carrying member” of the ACLU! Ask me about my flag-burning amendment!

John Cornyn, R-Texas, head of GOP efforts to take back the Senate this fall, plans to make the Park51 “mosque” a major campaign issue. It’s all too typical: Feed the rubes conservative identity politics, and, with luck, they’ll be too distracted to notice you’ve grafted a Republican “K Street Project” atop the same old edifice of Big Government.

The establishment Right wants to play the Tea Party movement for suckers. It remains to be seen whether they’ll play along.

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Somebody’s got to say that, “We’re not going to act like the people who stole freedom from Americans, the people who attacked America and killed 3,000 people.”


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We’ll see how much tolerance there is in the Muslim world when the Temple in Jerusalem starts re-construction.

zoyclem on August 18, 2010 at 7:53 AM

Well, there they go again! It’s like we’ve gone back to the 1990′s and the touchy-feely, using our own laws against us just to make nice with the muslim community and not offend them. And we saw how well that worked out – it’s like we’re living in a recurring nightmare that doesn’t end and we’ll never learn – I definitely agree with the premise that it’s not about the right to practice one’s religion, but what is right and appropriate in this case. And it ain’t right nor appropriate. And as a spaniard, the “Cordoba” and “Granada” references in this mosque association’s name makes me very uneasy.

mozalf on August 18, 2010 at 7:57 AM

Marcus on August 18, 2010 at 7:39 AM

Self-imposed incompetence. The media is a disgrace.

Basilsbest on August 18, 2010 at 7:58 AM

I don’t think there is necessarily a distance at which it would no longer be bad taste. It’s bad taste because they built it to have a dialogue, like they think building a mosque a couple blocks away from Ground Zero is going to help the healing process or something. That’s stupid.Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 7:53 AM

They want to build it at Ground Zero (which is a grave-site) because Muslims build mosques on the sites of their victories.

Islam is supremacist and triumphant. Does anyone think that the Crescent of Embrace at Shanksville Pa (which is pointed at Mecca) is also to support understanding?

Basilsbest on August 18, 2010 at 8:10 AM

That was lovely and glib and very hip(I know, I’m old fashioned!)but it was meaningless. I read it twice and figured I had to be missing something new here. New enough so that what must surely be something pithy was escaping me. Well, maybe it still is but this article is a medium sized inanity and says little or nothing as I see it.

jeanie on August 18, 2010 at 8:13 AM

They want to build it at Ground Zero (which is a grave-site) because Muslims build mosques on the sites of their victories.

I can’t read their minds. I only know their stated purpose. There’s no reason to suggest that they are lying.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 8:14 AM

We don’t oppose mosques… we oppose that mosque being there.

This is not a First Amendment issue or a small government issue (as Jason Lewis is trying to argue). It’s a simple matter of location, location, location.

mankai on August 18, 2010 at 8:25 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Proud Rino on August 17, 2010 at 11:11 PM

-sigh-

Again – just because someone has a right to do something DOESN’T make it the right thing to do.

We don’t oppose the building of mosques.

We oppose the building of THIS mosque in THIS location by THOSE people.

Why?

Because you simply don’t put a monument to a group anywhere near where that group murdered thousands of people.

It’s not “tolerant” nor “sensitive” to the victims and their family to do so.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 8:32 AM

It’s not “tolerant” nor “sensitive” to the victims and their family to do so.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 8:32 AM

What is the radius from Ground Zero, in terms of city blocks, in which the families of the victims of 9/11 get to determine who gets to have freedom of religion and who doesn’t?

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 8:35 AM

We don’t oppose the building of mosques.

Look at the comments in this thread. It seems like there are several people here who do oppose the building of mosques in general, so I’m not sure who the “we” is there.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 8:36 AM

What is the radius from Ground Zero, in terms of city blocks, in which the families of the victims of 9/11 get to determine who gets to have freedom of religion and who doesn’t?

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 8:35 AM

That’s neither for you nor me to decide.

Let the families decide.

But I do think we can all agree that the proposed site is a wee bit too close.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 8:38 AM

Look at the comments in this thread. It seems like there are several people here who do oppose the building of mosques in general, so I’m not sure who the “we” is there.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 8:36 AM

Considering how easily and quickly you’ve conflated opposition to the mosque on moral grounds with opposition to it on legal grounds…

…it doesn’t surprise me at all that you believe that there are people on this thread who oppose all mosques.

That’s the problem with creating strawman arguments instead of actually debating the real issue.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 8:40 AM

That’s neither for you nor me to decide.

Let the families decide.

It’s not for them to decide either, actually.

But I do think we can all agree that the proposed site is a wee bit too close.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 8:38 AM

We sure can’t.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 8:40 AM

Considering how easily and quickly you’ve conflated opposition to the mosque on moral grounds with opposition to it on legal grounds…

The moral argument, from a policy perspective, is irrelevant. The fact that it’s immoral doesn’t change a thing about whether or not that mosque is going to get built, but the fact that the Right has taken up criticizing the mosque will surely help them raise money. Fill those coffers, rubes!

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 8:43 AM

Let the families decide.

It’s not for them to decide either, actually.

Actually, it should be.

And they (and others) have made their voice known.

It shouldn’t be built THERE.

It simply isn’t “tolerant” nor “sensitive” to the victims, the families or even the event itself.

Which is sad/funny considering the people wanting to build it claim it’s to “build bridges.”

Considering their continued determination to build it in the face of overwhelming opposition…

…they’re either completely tone deaf or simply liars.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 8:45 AM

The moral argument, from a policy perspective, is irrelevant.

Why is it irrelevant?

No one here (and no on in the GOP) are making “policy perspective” argument.

It’s all about whether or not building THIS mosque in THIS place by THESE people is the right thing to do.

Which it isn’t.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 8:47 AM

Ever hear Nora O’Dunce’s cackle? It rivals Mrs. Clinton’s.

50sGuy on August 18, 2010 at 8:47 AM

Why is it irrelevant?

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 8:47 AM

Because it’s not going to change whether or not that mosque is going to get built. If the purpose of the outcry is to prevent the mosque from getting built, saying, “it’s immoral to build the mosque there,” is totally irrelevant.

But that’s not the purpose of the outcry, is it?

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 8:49 AM

What is the radius from Ground Zero, in terms of city blocks, in which the families of the victims of 9/11 get to determine who gets to have freedom of religion and who doesn’t?

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 8:35 AM

How far out in the desert does one have to go to erect a cross to memorialize veterans?

Why do you only voice your concern for “religious freedom” when it involves Islam?

Why are you so blind to what they’re doing? Do you think what they’ve accomplished in Europe is a good thing? Do you want the same here?

Are you looking forward to an increased, and radical Muslim presence around GZ?

Enquiring minds want to know.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 8:50 AM

We sure can’t.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 8:40 AM

Perhaps you have a knee-jerk reaction because it’s a mosque and like most liberals you are desperate to show how “enlightened” you are… so humor me as I change the venue…

We don’t want government to generally tell anybody where or when to worship. Nobody is restricting anybody from worshiping wherever, whenever or whomever they want (except on high school and college campuses!). It is a simple matter of location, location, location. This is not a slippery slope; this situation extremely limited to one very specific location.

What if victims of priest sexual abuse pooled some of the money they received from settlements and built a “safe park” for kids to play… then the Catholic Church picked, of all the places in that town, to build a rectory for local priests right next door. They then named the rectory in honor of Cardinal Law. Would you tell the families of sexual abuse victims that they were all closet Nazis if they opposed the LOCATION of that rectory? Would you read opposition to that rectory as akin to restricting the Catholic Church’s first amendment rights? Of course not. It’s a simple matter of location.

mankai on August 18, 2010 at 8:50 AM

Because it’s not going to change whether or not that mosque is going to get built.

Actually, it is.

All of this opposition will cause them to either move it elsewhere or abandon it all together.

And it IS what the outcry is about, despite your desperate attempts to build an ignorant strawman argument.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 8:51 AM

They want to build it at Ground Zero (which is a grave-site) because Muslims build mosques on the sites of their victories.

I can’t read their minds. I only know their stated purpose. There’s no reason to suggest that they are lying.
Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 8:14 AM

Unfortunately your complete lack of knowledge of Islam doesn’t prevent you from offering up one ignorant comment after another.

“Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.” Surah 3: 28

Basilsbest on August 18, 2010 at 8:54 AM

Basilsbest on August 18, 2010 at 8:54 AM

Quoting from a 7th century text… that officially makes you a Muslim-basher!

mankai on August 18, 2010 at 8:59 AM

What if victims of priest sexual abuse pooled some of the money they received from settlements and built a “safe park” for kids to play… then the Catholic Church picked, of all the places in that town, to build a rectory for local priests right next door. They then named the rectory in honor of Cardinal Law. Would you tell the families of sexual abuse victims that they were all closet Nazis if they opposed the LOCATION of that rectory? Would you read opposition to that rectory as akin to restricting the Catholic Church’s first amendment rights? Of course not. It’s a simple matter of location.

mankai on August 18, 2010 at 8:50 AM

That’s a laughably inexact analogy.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:00 AM

All of this opposition will cause them to either move it elsewhere or abandon it all together.

And it IS what the outcry is about, despite your desperate attempts to build an ignorant strawman argument.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 8:51 AM

I think they may move it down the road. That will be a joyous day for you, the day that you, along with your friends, made some Muslims build their mosque six blocks away from Ground Zero instead of two blocks away.

What will you do to celebrate that? Nothing. Your opinion of Muslims won’t be changed. Nothing will be different, and you won’t care, but you’ll (maybe not *you*, but certainly some of your peers) will be a few bucks lighter in your wallet. Because you got scammed.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:03 AM

That’s a laughably inexact analogy.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:00 AM

Why?

You keep proclaiming things as if it’s the truth, but you never explain why.

It is a VERY exact analogy in that it offers us a victim, a perpetrator and a group that the perpetrator was identified with.

And, most importantly, the analogy gives us the same insensitivity and tone-deafness of attempting to build something near the scene/symbol of the crime.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Because you got scammed.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:03 AM

Sorry, the only one being scammed is you. You hide from the truth and buy the lies of Islam and your fellow progressives.

Plus, you only care about religious freedom for Islam. You wouldn’t dare speak out if this was about any other religion, especially Christianity.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 9:07 AM

That will be a joyous day for you, the day that you, along with your friends, made some Muslims build their mosque six blocks away from Ground Zero instead of two blocks away.

Yes it will.

What will you do to celebrate that? Nothing. Your opinion of Muslims won’t be changed. Nothing will be different, and you won’t care, but you’ll (maybe not *you*, but certainly some of your peers) will be a few bucks lighter in your wallet. Because you got scammed.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:03 AM

1) When (not if) they abandon/move the project will be a day to rejoice, but not one to celebrate. It’s important but not THAT important.

2) IF the people pushing to build this mosque admit their tone deafness and insensitivity to the victims, families and events of 9/11, my opinion of THESE muslims would go up. But then again, I’m not judging the whole of Islam based on a couple of insensitive idiots.

3) “Scammed” by who? No matter how often you repeat your strawman arguments, it keeps coming back to “just because you have a right to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do” and it simply ISN’T the right thing to build the mosque where they want to. Standing up for the right thing is never the same as being “scammed”.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 9:10 AM

Why?

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 9:04 AM

1. Because 9/11 victims’ families didn’t buy that building or any building close to it to honor their loved ones.

2. Because the Cordoba House isn’t being named after bin Laden, Ayman Al Zawahiri, or Mohammed Atta.

3. Because al Qaeda doesn’t train men to be terrorists inside mosques.

It is similar in one respect though – the overwhelming majority of Muslims are decent people, just like the overwhelming majority of priests are good men who want to live a life devoted to God.

The fact that some of you apparently think that Catholics should not be able to build a church near a playground is incredibly offensive, and the fact that you compare the child molestation scandal to 9/11 is just about as equally offensive.

The Catholic Church tried to protect their own, to give the another chance, but those men were/are sick, and they couldn’t be reformed, and that led to more children being molested. That’s a horrible thing and the men who tried in good faith to help their mentally ill brothers will have to live with that, but they certainly didn’t murder thousands of people. That’s just about as offensive an analogy as you can get.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:13 AM

“PRESIDENT Bloomberg”??? (1:28) Norah, for a professional journalist, you are an effing idiot.

Mr. Grump on August 18, 2010 at 9:14 AM

“PRESIDENT Bloomberg”??? (1:28) Norah, for a professional journalist, you are an effing idiot.

Mr. Grump on August 18, 2010 at 9:14 AM

Of course, she’s a useful idiot though.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 9:15 AM

With a clueless and incompetent media The Islamic Memorial at Shanksville Pa isn’t getting any attention. One thing is clear. Muslims are just practicing the religion they have practiced for 1400 years: a religion which is supremacist and intolerant of all other religions.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/07/911-hero-family-member-ground-zero-mosque-is-the-second-mosque-being-built-on-a-911-site-.html

Basilsbest on August 18, 2010 at 9:16 AM

1. Because 9/11 victims’ families didn’t buy that building or any building close to it to honor their loved ones.

Um, they “bought” that land with the blood of their family members.

2. Because the Cordoba House isn’t being named after bin Laden, Ayman Al Zawahiri, or Mohammed Atta.

You really think THIS is the source of the problem (or the problem with the analogy)??!!

3. Because al Qaeda doesn’t train men to be terrorists inside mosques.

Actually, they do.

Other than that, of course, you completely “destroyed” that analogy. /sarc

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 9:17 AM

1) When (not if) they abandon/move the project will be a day to rejoice, but not one to celebrate. It’s important but not THAT important.

And you’ll still be a few bucks lighter, and that’s what this is all about.

2) IF the people pushing to build this mosque admit their tone deafness and insensitivity to the victims, families and events of 9/11, my opinion of THESE muslims would go up.

And yet so many of your friends here seem to be willing to curse all of Islam based on the negative actions of just a few Muslims, and I don’t hear you complaining about that.

But then again, I’m not judging the whole of Islam based on a couple of insensitive idiots.

Maybe you aren’t, but a lot of your friends here are.

You’re being scammed by the Right. Scammed by people who not only have no intention of “stopping” the mosque, but who actually want the mosque to be built so they can profit off it. If the mosque moves, will Rush Limbaugh stop criticizing Islam? Will he issue an apology? No. They’ll just move on to the next controversy to stir up so they can keep getting your money.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:18 AM

Mr. Grump on August 18, 2010 at 9:14 AM

But doesn’t her hair look nice?

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 9:21 AM

You’re being scammed by the Right. Scammed by people who not only have no intention of “stopping” the mosque, but who actually want the mosque to be built so they can profit off it. If the mosque moves, will Rush Limbaugh stop criticizing Islam? Will he issue an apology? No. They’ll just move on to the next controversy to stir up so they can keep getting your money.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:18 AM

You’re a very, very, very useful idiot.

Hey Rino … how about giving me some examples of Islamic “tolerance”.

I know you must have some.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 9:21 AM

According to a CNN/Opinion Research Poll, released on August 11th, nearly 70 percent of all Americans oppose the formerly titled Cordoba House. Just 29 percent favor construction of the Ground Zero Mosque. After all the mess begining with Obama’s proclamation Friday night, I wonder what the numbers are now?

kingsjester on August 18, 2010 at 9:24 AM

The fact that some of you apparently think that Catholics should not be able to build a church near a playground is incredibly offensive, and the fact that you compare the child molestation scandal to 9/11 is just about as equally offensive…

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Try and follow…

Nobody said that the CC should “not be able” to build anything anywhere… nobody said it was every playground… nobody is comparing 9/11 to a sex scandal.

The point (which I noted in all CAPS) is location. The issue is sensitivity to victims.

Analogies are hard.

mankai on August 18, 2010 at 9:28 AM

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:18 AM

Who is asking for money to fight this mosque? The people building it are doing all the fund raising. If the mosque were built how would the Right make money? Our side actually won the case for the memorial cross in the desert in California and the Left, with their deep reverence for the law, stole the cross. You are obtuse, it has been repeated over and over again that there is no legal way to stop this building and the only recourse is to hope the builders see their error in judgment, so stop building conspiracies.

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 9:30 AM

I fail to see a strong religious freedom argument in this. If you want to argue property rights, I’ll go with you on that, but how does asking them to build their mosque somewhere else impinge on their freedom to be Muslim? It’s pure bull#@&%.

The proper analogy is building a bar or a house of prostitution next door to a church. It may or may not be illegal, but it’s offensive. All of our rights–including religious freedom, if you want to argue that–come with responsibilities. Building a mosque so close to Ground Zero ignores the responsibility to use your property in a way that doesn’t offend your neighbors.

Dee2008 on August 18, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Conspiracy? LOL. It’s not a conspiracy, this is just how this stuff works. Look, it’s *boring* to say, “Obama’s economic policies aren’t very good,” but if you can turn his presidency into a religious argument, or the debate into a social issue like this, you’re going to drive turnout and get money.

Democrats did the same thing in 2006 capitalizing off GOP ethics scandals and the Dubai Ports issue, and it was disgraceful then too.

If you had a truly honest intellectual debate in this country about economic policy, you’d come to arguments between Keynesians, with one side saying, “We should lower taxes,” and the other side saying, “We should increase govt spending,” since that’s what the debate actually is.

But that’s not going to get you to the polls. But if Obama is “shredding the Constitution” and “destroying our country,” the “worst president in America,” and Muslims are building a “Victory Mosque at Ground Zero,” well you better believe people are going to get involved in that issue then, and they’ll go out and vote Republican in droves.

And I’m not complaining about Republicans doing that. That’s how the game is played. Democrats did the same thing to Bush and they will do the same thing to the next president. My complaint is that you – we – should all know better by now. But we don’t, so look for Republicans to try to profit off this politically for the next several months.

Fill those coffers, rubes!

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:42 AM

I fail to see a strong religious freedom argument in this. If you want to argue property rights, I’ll go with you on that, but how does asking them to build their mosque somewhere else impinge on their freedom to be Muslim? It’s pure bull#@&%.

Dee2008 on August 18, 2010 at 9:41 AM

If you can build a church or a synagogue there, but not a mosque, because of 9/11, then how does that not impinge on their freedom to be Muslims?

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:43 AM

Fill those coffers, rubes!

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Yawn..still using the same talking points today I see..:)

Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 9:45 AM

If you can build a church or a synagogue there, but not a mosque, because of 9/11, then how does that not impinge on their freedom to be Muslims?

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:43 AM

Moron, how does that stop someone from being a Muslim?

Admit it, you only care about religious freedom when it involves Islam.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:43 AM

Because no matter where their mosque is located, or even if they build one they’re still free to be Muslims. You can argue that it isn’t fair to tell them how they can use their property, but nobody’s interfering with their right to be Muslim.

Dee2008 on August 18, 2010 at 9:48 AM

Yawn..still using the same talking points today I see..:)

Dire Straits on August 18, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Any Islamists reading these comments are probably rolling on the ground laughing their asses off, thinking man, do we have this Proud Rino dude snowed. What an idiot!

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Because no matter where their mosque is located, or even if they build one they’re still free to be Muslims. You can argue that it isn’t fair to tell them how they can use their property, but nobody’s interfering with their right to be Muslim.

Dee2008 on August 18, 2010 at 9:48 AM

But allowing them to be Muslim in their hearts – but not in public – is not religious freedom. If you discriminate and only let churches or synagogues be in some places because it’s not appropriate for a mosque to be there, because it is only a couple blocks from Ground Zero, then you’re not allowing Muslims to have the same freedoms as Christians and Jews. They have less, and that’s unconstitutional.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:51 AM

But they’re like the bitterness that Americans feel about the 2009 economic stimulus, which was oversold and has become politically toxic because its success is hard to measure.

And democrat appeal in the polls has become ‘more selective’.

H/T: Spinal Tap

Vashta.Nerada on August 18, 2010 at 9:51 AM

The Mooslims are just honoring the proud martyrs that gave their lives and died for the cause on 9/11. Was it 16 terrorists?

seven on August 18, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Proud Rino is in the 30% who feels he must prove his tolerance no matter what is required. I’m going to go donate to whoever it is collecting money for this. Whatever “this” is.

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 9:55 AM

But allowing them to be Muslim in their hearts – but not in public – is not religious freedom. If you discriminate and only let churches or synagogues be in some places because it’s not appropriate for a mosque to be there, because it is only a couple blocks from Ground Zero, then you’re not allowing Muslims to have the same freedoms as Christians and Jews. They have less, and that’s unconstitutional.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:51 AM

First off, I’m not arguing that they shouldn’t be “allowed” to have the mosque there. I’m arguing that if they were decent responsible people, with good intentions, they wouldn’t want to put it there.

And how on earth do you get from, “We don’t want your mosque on that particular piece of property,” to “We don’t want you practicing your religion publicly.” You’re truly reaching beyond the bounds of reason.

Dee2008 on August 18, 2010 at 9:59 AM

But allowing them to be Muslim in their hearts – but not in public – is not religious freedom. If you discriminate and only let churches or synagogues be in some places because it’s not appropriate for a mosque to be there, because it is only a couple blocks from Ground Zero, then you’re not allowing Muslims to have the same freedoms as Christians and Jews. They have less, and that’s unconstitutional.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:51 AM

lol … what a complete buffoon. There isn’t ONE place in the world where Muslims co-exist peacefully with ANYONE. That’s because the goal isn’t to co-exist, it’s to dominate … but these liberal idiots are too concerned about adhering to doctrines of political correctness and multiculturalism to understand they’re in the process of being conquered.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 9:59 AM

But allowing them to be Muslim in their hearts – but not in public – is not religious freedom. Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:51 AM

Why can’t they be Muslims in the two mosques that already exist? And what other houses of religion are being discussed for the location other than St. Nicholas which was there and destroyed on 9/11. Which, oh by the way, is not getting permits because the city doesn’t want the church to be taller than the Ground Zero Memorial that doesn’t seem like to ever be built either. It is hysterical that everyone is busting the a$$ and bending over backwards for this mosque when Ground Zero remains a crater. Talk about irony!

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2010 at 10:00 AM

In the name of tolerance and diversity I dhunter suggest all liberal hags began wearing Burhkas and walking BEHIND men with their mouths shut.
Starting with those annoyances on The View!

dhunter on August 18, 2010 at 10:00 AM

And you’ll still be a few bucks lighter, and that’s what this is all about.

Yeah, because I’ve spent SO much money on this issue.

Wait…

And yet so many of your friends here seem to be willing to curse all of Islam based on the negative actions of just a few Muslims, and I don’t hear you complaining about that.

It’s hard for me to complain about what the voices in your head are telling you.

You continue to create strawmen by conflating objections to THIS mosque with objections to Islam.

You’re seeing/hearing things that simply aren’t here.

You’re being scammed by the Right. Scammed by people who not only have no intention of “stopping” the mosque, but who actually want the mosque to be built so they can profit off it. If the mosque moves, will Rush Limbaugh stop criticizing Islam? Will he issue an apology? No. They’ll just move on to the next controversy to stir up so they can keep getting your money.

Proud Rino on August 18, 2010 at 9:18 AM

Yet again:
“Scammed” by who? No matter how often you repeat your straw man arguments, it keeps coming back to “just because you have a right to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do” and it simply ISN’T the right thing to build the mosque where they want to. Standing up for the right thing is never the same as being “scammed”.

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 10:06 AM

But allowing them to be Muslim in their hearts – but not in public – is not religious freedom.

Yes, because denying them a building in one particular place is the same as telling them they can’t be Muslim in public.

/rolleyes

Religious_Zealot on August 18, 2010 at 10:10 AM

Islam is supremacist and triumphant. Does anyone think that the Crescent of Embrace at Shanksville Pa (which is pointed at Mecca) is also to support understanding?

Basilsbest on August 18, 2010 at 8:10 AM

I wish I had a bulldozer because I’d sneak up there one night and bury the whole place, then stick a simple white CROSS in the ground.

BobMbx on August 18, 2010 at 10:35 AM

There isn’t ONE place in the world where Muslims co-exist peacefully with ANYONE. That’s because the goal isn’t to co-exist, it’s to dominate … but these liberal idiots are too concerned about adhering to doctrines of political correctness and multiculturalism to understand they’re in the process of being conquered.

darwin on August 18, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Islam explained.

Darwin wins.

BobMbx on August 18, 2010 at 10:37 AM

The “tolerance” stance dealing with “moderate Muslims” might be more acceptable had I not seen people cheering and celebrating the Lockerbie bomber when he returned to Libya. That’s your reality about our lovely Muslim friends…

yubley on August 18, 2010 at 10:49 AM

I am wholly convinced that Norah O’Donnell sits up at night to think of the most mindless, inane, indefensible and incendiary tripe that she can push out of her sewer at every available opportunity. (sorry I know that this will offend some, but I think it is basically the leftist version of Coulter-lite)

Seriously, wasn’t she considered a ‘hard news’ person at one point? Yeah keep pointing fingers at Fox, NBC…

MannyT-vA on August 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM

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