Good news: Obama spokesman says it’s okay to oppose the Ground Zero mosque
posted at 7:11 pm on August 17, 2010 by Allahpundit
Well, it’s nice to know that at least one Democrat thinks so. According to Peter Beinart, not only does opposing the mosque spell the end of America or something, but it’s actually got him feeling nostalgic for George W. Bush. Who could have seen that coming? Ahem.
Alternate headline via Jim Treacher: “Harry Reid found not guilty on racism charge.”
Obama “respects the right of anybody — Democrat, Republican, independent — to disagree with his opinion on this,” White House spokesman Bill Burton told reporters Tuesday.
“Senator Reid is a fiercely independent individual,” Burton said. “It’s one of his strengths as a leader of the Democratic Party. So the president feels completely fine that [they] might disagree.”
Translation: “Democrats, feel free to distance yourselves from the president on this.” Which, actually, was unnecessary, as they’re already abandoning ship in droves. Meanwhile, I’ve been seeing stories all day that New York Gov. David Paterson’s planning to meet with the Park51 chiefs in hopes of getting them to move the site, but as you’ll see from the clip below, that’s news to developer Sharif El-Gamal. Is this simply a question of Paterson wanting to meet with them, or are the meetings already in progress? Hmmmm:
Sources tell CBS 2’s Kramer that Gov. Paterson is concerned that Mayor Mike Bloomberg, a staunch supporter of putting the mosque at ground zero, and President Barack Obama, might be advising mosque leaders to dig in their heels and insist on the present location…
Paterson’s office confirmed that discussions between his staff and the developer’s staff have been ongoing and said the governor expects to have a meeting scheduled in the near future.
That does sound like something Bloomberg would do, but unless The One is some sort of deep-cover GOP agent, I’m guessing he’s not involved in Operation: Let’s Drag This Out As Long As Possible. As for why the developers might insist on staying put even though the much-touted goal of “building dialogue” has long since crashed and burned, you’ll find a clue in the video of El-Gamal. Most righties will say they’re committed to the spot as a “victory mosque,” most lefties will say they’re committed in order to thwart those darned wingnuts and prove a point about religious freedom, but this guy’s thinking about the bottom line. If they move the site now, it’s just another community center; if they keep it where it is, it’s that community center, “the most famous community center in the world.” Any publicity is good publicity, “dialogue” be damned.
I’ll leave you with a smattering of Muslim opinion about the project, as it’s not as uniform as you might have been led to believe. Zuhdi Jasser, whom I’ve cited several times before, continues to insist that it’s a bad idea, as does Abdul Rahman Al-Rashed of al-Arabiya, who fears that “it will be turned into an arena for promoters of hatred, and a symbol of those who committed the crime.” On the flip side, Muslim Republicans like David Ramadan and Randa Fahmy Hudome see it as a free-exercise issue that shouldn’t be demagogued for midterm gain, and longtime blogger Aziz Poonawalla gave a thoughtful interview to fellow blogger Scott Payne reiterating his support for the project and his misgivings about how both opponents and Park51 management have handled the subject. All worth reading. Click the image to watch.
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Flippy/Floppy Hopey/Changey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 7:13 PM
Dead or Alive – You Spin Me Round (Like a Record)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJv5qLsLYoo
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 7:15 PM
What a bunch of insincere hacks.
We like it
We like it not
We like it
We like it not
We like it
We like it not
Gradeschooler in Chief.
portlandon on August 17, 2010 at 7:16 PM
The mouth of this bho opened and lies comes out. The spokesman has the lies down pat per this bho. This bho stepped in in and he owns it!
L
letget on August 17, 2010 at 7:16 PM
I was thoroughly enjoying Joe Scarborough and ditzy Mika this morning on his morning show. Not only did Nora O’Donnell compare those opposed to the mosque to 9-11 terrorists, but they have decided to make Newt Gingrich the voice-face-and posterboy of the opposition (Joe is there to lead and approve all this because he “knows Newt”) and tomorrow they are brining in an official Newt biographer, for the entire three hours I bet. Joe Scarborough on the mosque: “Newt Newt Newt Grrr Grrr Grrrrrr!”
Marcus on August 17, 2010 at 7:18 PM
HAAAAAAAA!!!!
HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
….Treacher never disappoints.
Baxter Greene on August 17, 2010 at 7:18 PM
Great, now my biggest concern about this stupid Mosque thing is how much will it end up costing me?
‘Cause there is about 0% chance that a discussion of moving it will not include tax breaks, and reimbursement from “the state” for the costs already incurred, etc. etc.
Less on August 17, 2010 at 7:18 PM
Translation: “Democrats, feel free to distance yourselves from the president on this.” Which, actually, was unnecessary, as they’re already abandoning ship in droves.
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Obama has been smacking into political icebergs,and its
been abandonship,for the last year or so!!
And now,there fighting for seats on the lifeboats!!
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 7:19 PM
Incoherent
bluemarlin on August 17, 2010 at 7:19 PM
I really, really miss GWB.
GrannyDee on August 17, 2010 at 7:20 PM
And that started when? 32 hours ago?
amerpundit on August 17, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Man that’s some seriously DEEEEP undercover, even more than Alvin Green!
Tony737 on August 17, 2010 at 7:20 PM
Doesn’t Imam Obama fit the bill 100%?
tarpon on August 17, 2010 at 7:22 PM
Gosh, Mr. President …..ummmm.. thanks so much for….allowing us to have ..an opinion
?????
cableguy615 on August 17, 2010 at 7:22 PM
“In fact, it’s come to my attention that all Democrats who are up for reelection in November are fiercely independent individuals, and it wouldn’t surpise me at all if they disagree with me on just about everything.”
– B. Hussein Obama
Cicero43 on August 17, 2010 at 7:23 PM
When it comes to the funding or tax breaks, it should become a “Regional” issue. I just hope Ernesto gets taxed out of his mind to pay for it.
portlandon on August 17, 2010 at 7:23 PM
Harry Reid hardest hit
picklesgap on August 17, 2010 at 7:23 PM
But if you dare to disagree with PBHO’s opinion about anything else you will be branded a traitorous, racist, kookified, fringie, white hood wearing Nazi.
Bishop on August 17, 2010 at 7:24 PM
“The Most Famous Community Center In The World”
-Sharif El-Gamal
That is telling,as the Twin Towers were the Most
Famous,I think,there is an Islamic message here!!
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 7:25 PM
You think ernesto is part of the minority who actually pay taxes? Cooooome oooooonnne.
Bishop on August 17, 2010 at 7:25 PM
No, whackjob, decency lost when Bush was President. What goes around comes around, tool!
Gang-of-One on August 17, 2010 at 7:26 PM
Fairy tales, can come true… it can happen to you. If you believe ernestooooooooooo.
upinak on August 17, 2010 at 7:28 PM
Let’s be honest: There are, like, five of them. I’m betting I can find more black transvestite pro-choicers who voter Republican than I can find Muslims who do the same.
amerpundit on August 17, 2010 at 7:28 PM
Good Point. I guess Allahpundit will have to pay extra taxes for Ernesto.
portlandon on August 17, 2010 at 7:28 PM
Right on target Canopfor…..
Here is a shot of the good ship Obama you speak of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1avWJELB9Ek
…………Remember the days when we were told Obama was going to bring world peace and change the levels of the oceans……
Baxter Greene on August 17, 2010 at 7:29 PM
you are a tad angry… at the wrong people.
upinak on August 17, 2010 at 7:29 PM
LOL! Ernesto covered in Pixie dust with Fairy wings.
portlandon on August 17, 2010 at 7:30 PM
Obama paid your rent yet? Oh wait, mom paid your rent.
Cicero43 on August 17, 2010 at 7:30 PM
Freedom of religion? First amendment? Riigghht.
We also have freedom of speech, but there are all sorts of restrictions, yelling “Fire” in a crowded theatre, using slurs during a crime can get extra hate charges filed, etc.
Though we have a freedom, it is not a 100% unabridged freedom. Ther are limitations.
That being said, the decision to build a church is a religious decision. The decision to build a church at that specific site is a political decision and that is what I object to.
SouthernRoots on August 17, 2010 at 7:30 PM
BHO is the antiCosell – He sure tells it like it ain’t
50sGuy on August 17, 2010 at 7:31 PM
This may become the poster child for “card check” They force a union on you, become your boss, cut your pay. Priceless.
J_Crater on August 17, 2010 at 7:31 PM
To be fair there are a fee communities that vote GOP
Afghan Americans
Kosovo Americans (kosovar?)
Albanians
SOME Lebanese (moved here pre Israel wars(
That’s about it
But Kosovo lovvvves bush and the gop
picklesgap on August 17, 2010 at 7:32 PM
Barry does what he does best. STRADDLES EVERY ISSUE.
GarandFan on August 17, 2010 at 7:32 PM
You think AP is part of the minority who actually pay….wait, what was that sound? Like a Predator Drone whooshing overhead…
I meant to say of course AP is a taxpayer. Right on!
Bishop on August 17, 2010 at 7:32 PM
Thank you, Almighty President!!!
mobydutch on August 17, 2010 at 7:32 PM
Kosovo loves Clinton more. The forgotten war in Bosnia comes to mind as well.
upinak on August 17, 2010 at 7:33 PM
I think that Gang of One is trying to say that Decency was lost during the Bush Administration by the way the libs behaved. They were Boooossshhhh raving lunatics.
portlandon on August 17, 2010 at 7:33 PM
Is it also ok for me to say he is the suckiest president of all time.
Tommy_G on August 17, 2010 at 7:34 PM
Oh man, you are good Ap. Gold.
carbon_footprint on August 17, 2010 at 7:37 PM
I thought Obama wasn’t going to voice an opinion on this. He just said that America has freedom of Religion. Who could respect someone’s opinion that disagrees with that?
Frankly, I don’t think people are as upset with a Mosque going up there as we are that after 8 years we can’t put up a memorial. We’re paralyzed, without leadership and they’re filling the void.
Bush should have led the rebuilding of the WTC or memorial. It should have been extremely patriotic and more “in your face” than this mosque. Instead, he voted “present” and let the city of NY bicker about this national issue for years. If we had a spectacular memorial up over ground zero, I couldn’t care less if Muslims ringed it in Mosques.
elfman on August 17, 2010 at 7:37 PM
I’m so glad I have permission to think there’s something wrong with letting the religion that killed 3,000 of our citizens (and has committed nearly 16,000 terror attacks worldwide in the past 9 years) have a monument celebrating their bloody ideology.
Thank you Obama. /sarc.
englishqueen01 on August 17, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Hold on a sec, here. Is that really what Obama, via his spokesman, is saying? Because the statement by Dingy Harry’s office was “Senator Reid… thinks that the mosque should be built someplace else.” By saying that Obama’s fine that he and Reid might disagree, isn’t he admitting that he, President Obama, wants the mosque to be built near Ground Zero??
KGB on August 17, 2010 at 7:40 PM
Obama was for it, until he was against it, until he was for it, and then against and for it…
His timing is devastating, given that he’s so smart and such a god.
Schadenfreude on August 17, 2010 at 7:41 PM
I don’t get this focus by libtards on the fact that there’s a gentlemen’s club near Ground Zero. Were some of the 19 hijackers strippers?
Cicero43 on August 17, 2010 at 7:41 PM
We got the green light for racism!
ThePrez on August 17, 2010 at 7:42 PM
Second look at Obama the
SecretMuslim ?I kid I kid!
picklesgap on August 17, 2010 at 7:42 PM
Democrat Taqiyya=anything to get elected.
the_nile on August 17, 2010 at 7:42 PM
My bad. Sorry, Gang!
Cicero43 on August 17, 2010 at 7:43 PM
Yes. but no..
the_nile on August 17, 2010 at 7:44 PM
Yes, that’s how I read it too.
carbon_footprint on August 17, 2010 at 7:45 PM
Whew! There for a moment I thought I had become an obstructionist or racist or something. Thanks BHO…
d1carter on August 17, 2010 at 7:46 PM
Actually, upinak, my anger was directed toward Peter Beinart, who wrote the disgusting article at AP’s second link.
I obviously didn’t make myself clear. I’ll do better next time.
Gang-of-One on August 17, 2010 at 7:47 PM
So allahpundit explain to why I should watch some Republicans explain to me it is a free exercise issue when it should at least be clear to someone on the right like yourself that IT ISN’T a free expression issue?
Are you so lost AP that you would give us the lame spin that doesn’t address the issues of
a) Why is so d*mn important to have it RIGHT there
b) Where is $100 million dollars coming from if this is just a run-of-the-mill mosque to the investors? Must have a pretty DEEP meaning to attract that kind of cash.
c) Why haven’t they explained how this inflammatory mosque is a bridge builder in THEIR eyes if that is the truth?
Again, why do I care about some Republicans who want to stick this mosque at ground zero to ensure freedom of religion survives in our poor helpless nation of bigots (sarc)? or to prove ourselves “worthy” to the muslim world?
Conan on August 17, 2010 at 7:50 PM
Wait 5 minutes, opinions change fast around The One!
bluemarlin on August 17, 2010 at 7:50 PM
Excellent, KGB.
Alana on August 17, 2010 at 7:50 PM
Oh, BTW, Mr. Beinhart, just in case you thought that we somehow short-changed Barack Obama by placing Jimmy Carter #1 on the conservative blogger’s History’s Worst Americans list, we feel completely fine that you might disagree.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on August 17, 2010 at 7:53 PM
You see, all you have to understand is that all liberals hold their opinions for principled reasons, while all conservatives are basically just scoundrels who hold theirs for baser reasons such as bigotry, greed and general vileness. So even if a liberal and a conservative have the same opinion, the conservative is wrong and the liberal is right.
The MSM understands this pefectly.
drunyan8315 on August 17, 2010 at 7:53 PM
Cicero43, read the Beinart article at AP’s second link. The quote I used and responded too were his words.
Like I told upinak, I’ll do better nest time.
Granted, I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I’m no kool-aid drinker living in a basement.
Gang-of-One on August 17, 2010 at 7:54 PM
…. Depends on the meaning of the word “might”.
Baxter Greene on August 17, 2010 at 7:54 PM
So El Gamal likens this project to a YMCA? Then why doesn’t he simply let Greg Gutfield go ahead with his plans and call the whole center the Y-M-M-A? “Young men…”
El Gamal has a larger plan in insisting on this location. It will have a worldwide draw? For whom? It appears that he is guilty of a classic case of projection in calling objections to the Cordoba project purely political. His own motivations are political. A megastructure such as he proposes is a political statement on behalf of a religion that does not divorce itself from civil law.
Surely in all of NYC there is a nice bit of property that could stand some urban renewal where this symbolic building could be constructed.
onlineanalyst on August 17, 2010 at 7:55 PM
That is a SUPER point. Great.
carbon_footprint on August 17, 2010 at 7:55 PM
I have a copy,of
The Day That Changed America,in front of me,and I have a
copy of Time’s 9/11 edition,and here are the exerpts,that
start the paragraphs:
Smoke Billows
Still and Video
Debris
A Colossus Crumples
A 3,000-Degree Inferno
It was people jumping 90 floors
Grasping For Air
No Escape
And Then They Were Gone
War Zone
Tragedy Gets Worse
Fallout
Symbols Gone
We Tried To Save As Many As We Could
Refugees
Fire Trucks
Facing A Mountain
Steel Girders
The Tragic Toll
Awaiting The Wounded
Bloodied But Unbowed
Death From The Skies
Heroic End
HeartBreaking Cell Phone Call at 30,000 FT
The Skyline Changed Forever
Before The Attack…Bold
New York Aflame…Two Flames
The Grave AfterMath…
A Despicable
The Day The U.S.Stood Still
Face of Terror/Public enemy 1:Osama Bin Laden
These Taliban
Into The Fray
Firing Guns(in Gaza)
Unbelievable Scene(in Gaza)
Eyewitness To Tragedy
OverWhelmed
New York City(‘I was at Ground Zero’)
The Jet just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon
America Tunes In
Days of Infamy(When America Wept Bitter Tears of Blood)
The Enemy Within
Picking Up The Pieces(Grim Cleanup of Deadly Disaster)
Damage to
Using Heavy Equipment
Ash and Dust
Weary From(firefighters/rescue crews)
Prayer…&Hope…
Campus Crusade
Members of(singing God Bless America on the Capitol steps)
Attack Victims
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It is sickening,to allow the Liberals and Muslims to do this,its only been 9 years,it was Pearl Harbour against
civilians!!
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 7:56 PM
Thank you, guys!
Gang-of-One on August 17, 2010 at 7:57 PM
Talk about incoherent.
midlander on August 17, 2010 at 7:58 PM
El crapo,New York Aflame…Two Flames,should of read,
Two Planes,and not Two Flames!!
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 7:59 PM
That is powerful. The thing is, we never get to see the footage any more. I think it should be shown often.
carbon_footprint on August 17, 2010 at 7:59 PM
No need to apologize, but thank you! Again, I have to sharpen up.
Gang-of-One on August 17, 2010 at 8:01 PM
LOL
If he truly meant that at all, he would take the governor up on his offer to help them find other suitable space in downtown Manhattan.
Here’s a good rule of thumb for them to use – if they are looking to put it in the place of a building that was damaged by debris from the collapsing towers, they are too close.
JadeNYU on August 17, 2010 at 8:01 PM
Bloomberg has a billion reasons for supporting the mosque. Bloomberg LLC his financial communications co. is creating a regional info center in Dubai, with links to Saudi and the other emirates as well as to Pakistan and Indonesia. He hopes to get involved in the Sharia banking system which is the alternative financial system in the region. If he can monopolize info distribution in and out of the region he and his subscribers can make billions. This was posted yesterday on FR but hasn’t been seen elsewhere. This mosque for Bloomie is about money and that needs to go viral.
xkaydet65 on August 17, 2010 at 8:02 PM
How long before Ground Zero becomes Islam’s 1 bizzillionth holiest site?
ronsfi on August 17, 2010 at 8:06 PM
Ahhh now I can sleep tonight.
Good to know
gophergirl on August 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM
That claim by el-Gamal struck you, too?
El-Gamal is a slick weasel who appears to know how to play the system and use all of the openness of our law and capitalism to play us for his own ends.
So, on his way to East Hampton, he heard ObaMao’s iftar speech, and in his own words, El-Gamal “was blown away”? I dare say that the victims of the two jets aimed at the WTC were blown away back on 9/11, too.
My attitude about this whole shell game is “Never Forget.” I nearly lost two friends that fateful day, but by sheerest chance neither went into work that day.
onlineanalyst on August 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM
gotcha… okay off to make dinner!
upinak on August 17, 2010 at 8:09 PM
By Jove, you’re right. He finally fessed up, albeit completely inadvertently, didn’t he. He can’t weasel out of it now!
leilani on August 17, 2010 at 8:10 PM
Funny how that wasn’t brought up in the interview.
midlander on August 17, 2010 at 8:10 PM
Has anyone (media) bothered to go ask some of the local union guys that will have to build this thing if they’re going to cooperate? This sounds like a good project for you Allahpundit. Don’t you have to be licensed with one of the locals to do construction work in NYC? And if they try to bring in outside workers they’d be tied up in court for ages.
That’s where I think the wheels will come off the bus on this thing. They won’t be able to get anyone to build it.
lizzie beth on August 17, 2010 at 8:14 PM
WEDGE
Inanemergencydial on August 17, 2010 at 8:19 PM
I’m sure all these liberals who have suddenly found new respect for freedom of religion will quit harassing Christians and anybody who dares utter the word God in a public forum, right? Riiiiight……
clearbluesky on August 17, 2010 at 8:19 PM
Totally.
Two blocks is away is far, Mr. El-Gamal? Two blocks is a great distance in NYC, Mr. El-Gamel?
Take a look, Mr. El Gamel. Your proposed mosque is AT Ground Zero, not two blocks away.
Can’t wait to find a pic of his proposed site in a photo. It exists. It will be found.
Dusty on August 17, 2010 at 8:24 PM
That’s where I think the wheels will come off the bus on this thing. They won’t be able to get anyone to build it.
lizzie beth on August 17, 2010 at 8:14 PM
lizzie beth: I stumbled on this site!
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Blue Collar Corner/Voices from the middle
http://www.bluecollarcorner.com/home.php
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 8:24 PM
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 7:56 PM
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That is powerful. The thing is, we never get to see the footage any more. I think it should be shown often.
carbon_footprint on August 17, 2010 at 7:59 PM
carbon_footprint: Yes,because the MSM back then,on report
ing,hours and days after,was very graph
ic,and now,crickets!:)
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 8:29 PM
Take a look, Mr. El Gamel. Your proposed mosque is AT Ground Zero, not two blocks away.
Can’t wait to find a pic of his proposed site in a photo. It exists. It will be found.
Dusty on August 17, 2010 at 8:24 PM
Dusty: Thank-You very much,that is an awesome site,the
pictures speak a million-fold!:)
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 8:32 PM
So when do Christians get to build a 15 story Victory Tower in Mecca? I mean, it’s all about starting dialog right?
Ogabe on August 17, 2010 at 8:32 PM
Maybe my small-minded American provicialism is rearing its ugly head, but:
Poonawalla?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
misterpeasea on August 17, 2010 at 8:34 PM
Nuttiest of all had to be Norah O’Donnell, comparing those in opposition to the Obamamosque to 9/11 hijackers.
She is soooo desperately trying to be relevant. Perhaps it’s contract time for her.
slickwillie2001 on August 17, 2010 at 8:38 PM
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 7:19 PM
Right on target Canopfor…..
Here is a shot of the good ship Obama you speak of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1avWJELB9Ek
…………Remember the days when we were told Obama was going to bring world peace and change the levels of the oceans……
Baxter Greene on August 17, 2010 at 7:29 PM
Baxter Greene: I do love Anatomys,or engineering disaster
documentaries,and I bet,when they dissect
Obama’s Presidentcy,It’ll be,and heres the
exact point where he was doomed!!:)
Btw,Gibbsy would be in the Crows Nest!!
Speaking of levels of oceans,heres Julio
from McDonalds OH Gracious Gawd Obama clip!
–:)
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Obama Town Hall Julio’s McDonalds Question
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=TptsP4ryido
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 8:42 PM
Heh!!
…..or you sure that is not Orszag??????
Baxter Greene on August 17, 2010 at 8:50 PM
Obama: we have freedom of religion in this country.
Really? /s
Nice way to twist the argument when you know that is NOT what this is about. There are hundreds of mosques in America and about 100 in New York city already.
CWforFreedom on August 17, 2010 at 8:51 PM
[canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 8:32 PM]
Welcome. This one, I think, provides some perspective, but I cannot be positive of the following because I don’t live in NYC.
Anyway, see the tower (with the pinnacle you can slightly make out that it is green) on the left edge of the picture? That I think is the Woolworth Tower. That faces Broadway and takes up the whole corner from Barclay St to PARK PL with Park being in the foreground of the picture. The next block to the right in the picture is the block the proposed mosque would be built on on the near side of Park in this pic.
That billowing cloud of dust and death pouring down West Broadway (center of the pic) is already two blocks past where Park51 wants to build.
Ground Zero is a misnomer. Two blocks away is a deception.
Dusty on August 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM
I think the director of al-Arabiya is right about this: the vast majority of ordinary Muslims don’t want a mosque at Ground Zero. They probably look at the price-tag of this and think “hey, a hundred mil can us buy a real good electric power plant/water sewage system/desalination plant.”
It’s unfair to judge the Muslim community as whole based on the actions of Barack Obama. This pampered wimp of a man is far more radical than any ordinary Muslim.
year_of_the_dingo on August 17, 2010 at 8:59 PM
Union scum will build it without batting an eye.
Jaibones on August 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM
Don’t forget, our dear leader made the proclaimation in Egypt that America is not a Christian nation; so, the more mosques the merrier.
mobydutch on August 17, 2010 at 9:13 PM
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 8:32 PM]
Welcome. This one, I think, provides some perspective, but I cannot be positive of the following because I don’t live in NYC.
Ground Zero is a misnomer. Two blocks away is a deception.
Dusty on August 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM
Dusty: Yes,thanks again,that picture is unreal,like a
megaton,after the heat dissapates,that is a powerful
picture!:)
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 9:24 PM
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 8:42 PM
Heh!!
…..or you sure that is not Orszag??????
Baxter Greene on August 17, 2010 at 8:50 PM
Baxter Greene:lol:)
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 9:25 PM
Well, gee, thanks, but I already had that right, given me by my Creator and gauranteed by the Constitution. But, thanks anyway/
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on August 17, 2010 at 9:25 PM
That claim by el-Gamal struck you, too?
Gamal “was blown away”?
onlineanalyst on August 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM
onlineanalyst: Weasel alright,there is no question,that they
are trying to put the iceing so-to-speak,on
this cake,*wink-wink*!!
Blown away,that is in your face type words,
and Islam loves to play word games,and wow,
you where so close on losing your friends,
they were lucky!!:)
canopfor on August 17, 2010 at 9:32 PM
I believe the only reason a (very) few so-called moderate
Muslims are speaking out is because they realize their stealth jihad is being revealed for the actual jihad it is:
1. The name Cordoba House, representing the Islamic conquest of Spain. [Say, immediately before the Iftar bomb was dropped by O, didn't Michelle visit Cordoba/el Andalus? Interesting 'coincidence'.]
2. Planned opening date: 9/11/11.
3. Chosen site: where landing gear from Atta’s missile
bashed through the roof and ashes of the dead rained down.
4. Refusal to disclose sources of funding.
5. Refusal to consider alternate locations, even with the
purported offer of (free?) city property offered by Paterson? Bloomberg?
6. Rauf’s statements re the U.S. being responsible for the
9/11 attacks 19 days later and his desire to institute Shariah law in America.
7. Rauf sent by our State Dept. as U.S. ‘representative’ to the Muslim world (and on the taxpayer’s dime) at the time of O’s comments.
8. Existence of 100 mosques in NYC and two within close proximity to Ground Zero.
9. Bloomberg’s financial ties to Islam: http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/follow-the-money-sharia-finance-is-why-bloomberg-is-in-bed-with-radical-islamists/
10. O’s ties to Islam (should now be chronicled in one place as they are almost too numerous to count). Buzzing Manhattan with AF1 shortly after taking office immediately springs to mind. Insensitive? Oops? Intentional?
11. No mention by O of the Constitutional right to rebuild that Greek Orthodox church, while Cordoba House was apparently fast tracked through the approval process.
12. Not even one board or brick has yet been laid to build the memorial at Ground Zero. Gee, wouldn’t it be great if the mosque was towering overhead before that ever occurred?
13. The hijackers have yet to be tried nine years later, even though they pleaded guilty. Again, what a victory if the mosque was constructed before any trials take place.
Ask those same moderates if they adhere to the teachings of the Koran, you know, like whether they believe in the establishment of a global caliphate.
No wonder O kinda sorta walked it back (but not in actuality) and now thinks it’s fine that ‘independent Reid’ is entitled to his view. Although I like AP’s take on O’s latest remarks, it could also represent an(other) oops, too much has been revealed moment.
Taqiyya talkers are smooootthhhh, schooled in molifying the infidels with soft talk and lies, while in their mosques and native tongues they speak their truths. See Memri.org for all the evidence you’ll need to confirm this fact.
Yep, the time for taqiyya talk is here and now. O and ‘moderate Muslims’? I’m not buying it for even one second.
Opinionator on August 17, 2010 at 10:52 PM
Opinionator on August 17, 2010 at 10:52 PM
+Infinity
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on August 18, 2010 at 12:36 AM
I am not the one making Jews look like total tools:
Regarding the Islamic Center: “I know how I would feel if people started saying there were certain places you weren’t allowed to put up a synagogue and therefore I know what should not be done to people who want to put up a cultural center which will include a prayer space,” said Rabbi Aurthus Waskow, the director of the Shalom Center in Philadelphia.
leftnomore on August 18, 2010 at 5:22 AM
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