How does one become a “worst American?”

posted at 7:35 pm on August 14, 2010 by Jazz Shaw

There’s been an ongoing flap this weekend over John Hawkins’ decision to conduct a poll of conservative bloggers and assemble a list of “The 25 Worst Figures in American History.” You can look over the list yourself, (I won’t reproduce it yet again here) but a main bone of contention has not been simply over people’s choices of who should make the villain hall of fame, but the criteria used for selection. What sort of people should be considered? One of our hosts here, Ed Morrissey, has already weighed in on that portion of the controversy while not contributing to the final poll.

But when a political blogger surveys for a list of the 25 worst Americans from political bloggers, isn’t politics the implied context? When John sent out the query, that’s certainly how I understood it. Otherwise, such a list would quickly become a descending-order body count for American serial killers, and would be entirely useless and inane.

If all you read was Ed’s post, that seems a reasonable point – though one I’ll still argue with shortly – but the confusion probably arose from John’s less than artful introduction to his survey results.

Out of all the gangsters, serial killers, mass murderers, incompetent & crooked politicians, spies, traitors, and ultra left-wing kooks in all of American history — have you ever wondered who the worst of the worst was? Well, we here at RWN wondered about that, too, and that’s why we decided to email more than a hundred bloggers to get their opinions.

Ed’s post, linked above, has John’s original invitation included in an update and you’ll see where the confusion came from. That context of the invitation was not in the same tone as the emphasized introduction above.

Others have helpfully weighed in with their own lists and analysis of the kerfuffle, including Doug Mataconis, who I shall presently eviscerate. As usual, Rick Moran beat me to the punch while I was writing this and already said much of what I wanted to express, (Curse You, Red Baron!) but did it while taking a much heavier sledgehammer to the poll contributors than I would.

As usual, I tend to get a bit long winded on these things, so if you want to see my own list, just skip to the bottom. But before getting there, I’d like to take a moment to look at some of the arguments about exactly who should make such a list, what sorts of offenses would qualify, and the quibbles over some common suggestions.

At one end of the spectrum we have Ed Morrissey’s contention that we should discount serial killers, mass murderers and their ilk, since they boil down to nothing more than “a body count.” While I can see how Ed’s explanation of being misled by John’s rather vague invitation into thinking we should primarily include political figures, I disagree that “worst Americans” would leave out the real monsters. They did far more damage than the raw number of corpses they stacked up. Every mass murderer who terrorizes entire cities like Beltway Sniper John Allen Muhammad and every serial rapist ruining the lives of dozens of women steals something important away from everyone. They take away our faith in a civilized system to protect us. They make us look at strangers with wary glances rather than welcoming smiles. They continue to kill our innocence, not just the bodies of those they defile. They are clearly some of the worst Americans.

But does the wrong-doing in question have to be intentional? Doug Mataconis – to take one example – rightly (in my opinion) leaves Jimmy Carter off of his revised list because he considers the Georgia peanut farmer to be “incompetent, not evil.” Where does the line from incompetence to criminal stupidity get crossed? Edward Smith, captain of the Titanic, was clearly not out madly dashing across the Atlantic looking for icebergs to crash into in the hopes of killing all of his passengers. (Not to mention himself.) He was, by all accounts, an experienced seaman with decades at the helm under his belt. But he made one massive, terminal mistake which took hundreds of lives. Was he evil and malicious? No. Should he land on this sort of list? It’s an interesting question.

But that brings us back to the question of politicians in general. If you approach this as nothing more than an exercise in partisan rock throwing, it’s easy enough to compile a list of politicians from “the other team” that you don’t like and lump them in here. This has little or no value. People who aspire to a life of public service, including high elected office, should be considered to be trying to serve and improve the country, even if some of us completely disagree with their philosophy and how they go about it. (If you’re looking for an excuse to really hate me, those of you I see on Twitter every day talking about Obama’s secret plans to destroy America because he’s some sort of Manchurian Candidate simply put me to sleep.)

But again, at what point does a bad plan cross the line to a criminally bad plan which, given your experience and position, you should have known better than to implement? Going back once again to the choices by the other entrants, almost everyone selected Jimmy Carter. (Except Doug, who had him on his original list from five years ago.) Look, I served in the military under Carter. His economic policies were a disaster and his tentative stance on the use of military force damaged our international standing, in my opinion. He was awful. But was he a “worst American?” Did he have malicious plans for the nation he duped into electing him?

No. As I see is, he honestly – if misguidedly – thought his fiscal plans would help. On the national security front I saw him as a God fearing man who honestly believed that he could both speak softly and hold off using the big stick, preferring a path of peace and diplomacy. It was unproductive and, in the end, largely damaging. But I still believe he meant well and I would not today put him on a list of villains.

I have a few bones to pick with some of the common choices on several of these lists as well. Why is anyone selecting Aaron Burr? Doug and Ed are unhappy because he shot Alexander Hamilton. It was a duel! Nobody made Hamilton show up and he had a gun as well. Reports of his “intentionally missing Burr” have been widely disputed. He is also accused of trying to set up some sort of Western Empire and leave the union. He was eventually cleared of those charges by the Supreme Court and many analysts of the period believe it was a plot by his political rivals. The man served his nation for a lifetime, was a Vice President got beaten up for it. Give him a break.

A lot has been made, particularly by James Joyner, of whether or not Benedict Arnold was an “American” and I had to agree that it’s a valid question. But he did work for the American military until his own petulance and desire for power drove him into a jealous rage. We didn’t have much in the way of an established naturalization process here during that period, so pretty much anyone – rebel or loyalist – who lived here without a home in England to which they planned to return, could reasonably called an “American.” I apologize for questioning that earlier. But I still leave him off the list because he was a petty man who had a plot that failed and he really didn’t do much to affect the outcome of the revolution.

And really, Doug… Andrew Jackson? Yes, he was guilty of horrible things regarding Native Americans. I don’t deny that. But in the context of the era, we should also find some room to remember that people thought and acted differently. We are making villains of many who didn’t do enough to stop slavery, but I don’t see anyone including some of the founders who owned slaves on their lists. As Ed said in his original post, context, context, context.

I won’t even waste space on those who select currently elected Democrats with whom they disagree for such a list. Rick Moran already took care of that.

Frankly, this is embarrassing. Putting the Clintons, Pelosi, Reid, Gore, Sharpton, and other contemporary Democrats ahead of someone like Nathan Bedford Forest who was at least partly responsible for creating the KKK after the Civil War and spent his spare nights riding around the countryside whipping, lynching, and burning at the stake innocent African Americans demonstrates an extraordinary ignorance of American history.

Everyone who opposed the Iraq war could just as easily assemble their own list and put George W. Bush somewhere on there. It’s pointless.

But enough of that. This has already gone on far too long. Let’s get to my list of some of the worst actors in American history. I’ll follow Doug’s example and go in alphabetical order, since it’s hard to say here who is the worst of the worst. Here are the dirty dozen.

1.) John Wilkes Booth – See Oswald, below

2.) Nathan Bedford Forest – If you don’t know who or what he was, head for Google.

3.) John Wayne Gacy – Anyone who rapes and kills that many children deserves a special place in hell. And on our list.

4.) Alger Hiss – Enough said

5.) Jim Jones – He didn’t just poison a ton of people. He did it under the pretense of speaking for God and upset the applecart of faith for many.

6.)Ken Lay, Jeffrey Skilling and Bernie Madoff – All three come in at a tie. Not unlike religious examples robbing us of our faith in God, they robbed thousands of their cash, hopes, dreams, and faith in an honest marketplace where people could realize the American dream.

9.) Timothy McViegh – Patriots… please.

10.) Lee Harvey Oswald – I don’t care what you thought of J.F.K. or the fact that he led to Johnson, the guy shot the president and sent shock waves through the nation.

11.) D.C. Stephenson – Grand Dragon in the Klan and friend of one of the most corrupt politicians in Indiana history, his crimes against the nation and his fellow man are legendary.

12.) John Anthony Walker – You want to talk about intentionally doing things to destroy your own country? His picture is by the term in the encyclopedia.

There you have it. Some of the worst we have to offer. Sleep well.

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If Madoff gets on the list, then so should FDR for Social Security. Come to think of it, the Goracle would fit in as well.

GarandFan on August 15, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Worst American: The Sham-Wow guy

V-rod on August 15, 2010 at 12:46 PM

Benedict Arnold.

Dr Evil on August 15, 2010 at 12:55 PM

As an historian, I can say this is an excellent list. I would add: Jay Gould, George Lincoln Rockwell, David Koresh, Elijah Muhammed, Al Capone, Joe McCarthy among others. The list also needs more early American and 19th century American scoundrels.

fleiter on August 15, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Clive Davis destroyed the American pop song by developing the modern day adult contemporary pop sound that is completely devoid of any warmth, romance, vulnerability, sublety, or clevernessk that it literally conjures up images of eating a Burger King filet of fish sandwich at the food court of a shopping mall. I have fantasies of Cole Porter, Irving Berlin, Brian Wilson and Burt Bachrach slicing his head off with a dull knive.

ardenenoch on August 15, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Fair enough, but not mentioning either seems to me to be an admission that most of the people venturing opinions on the matter just really don’t think much of unnecessary death and destruction on large scales. They are the only two such figures in our history; men who are truly responsible for massive unnecessary death.

ernesto on August 14, 2010 at 10:39 PM

So you admit that it was necessary for all of the civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be killed by atomic bombs?

Del Dolemonte on August 15, 2010 at 2:00 PM

If soldiers prefer to fight for a guy that sends them to die for no particular reason, that’s their problem. He was so concerned with beating our enemies that he imagined an imminent threat, helped craft a fiction to support immediate action against said imagined threat, and then resigned in disgrace when his plan failed. Real great american…yeah.

ernesto on August 15, 2010 at 8:28 AM

As hawk says, you’re simply parroting what your college teaching assistants are indoctrinating your blank slate with. None of what you are saying has actual facts to support it.

Remember, Bush and Rumsefeld used the intel info that Bush’s Democrat predecessor generated. Mrs. Clinton said so herself when she voted in favor of “Bush’s War” in 2002.

I would also advise you to go back in time and read, in its entirety, that Authorization from the fall of 2002. There are a lot more reasons than “WMDs” there. A lot more.

Del Dolemonte on August 15, 2010 at 2:08 PM

I would like to place in nomination:
1. An unamed Brewmaster at the Meisterbrau Brewery who invented light beer. They later sold the formula to Miller and the rest if history.
2. In the cool part of the Elvis 68 Comeback video. Where it is just the King and his original band playing all the 50s stuff. Some guy is puonding away on a tamborine for the whole set. I’ll nominate him.
3. The guy with the cute girlfriend at the baseball game who jumped away from the fly ball and let it hit her.

Rayhummel on August 15, 2010 at 2:15 PM

As an historian, I can say this is an excellent list. I would add: Jay Gould, George Lincoln Rockwell, David Koresh, Elijah Muhammed, Al Capone, Joe McCarthy among others. The list also needs more early American and 19th century American scoundrels.

fleiter on August 15, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Joe McCarthy is on that list among thugs and killers? Funny you should put him on there, because if I had to make a list of our greatest patriots, Joe would make my list. He has been slandered, libeled, blacklisted, and defamed by the liars in our media and by our so-called “historians.” He worked to expose a dangerous and very real communist infiltration in our country only to be smeared as an evil-doer to future generations who don’t know what really happened. Perhaps if the dangers of communist infiltration were caught and dealt with a little earlier in American history, we would not be in the situation we are now.

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 2:28 PM

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Agree, Joe McCarthy was a true patriot.

Inanemergencydial on August 15, 2010 at 2:36 PM

He worked to expose a dangerous and very real communist infiltration in our country only to be smeared.

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 2:28 PM

There was a dangerous and very real communist infiltration and he aided it. Rather than the real communists, he chased his imaginary infiltrations. He discredited real effort. Actual infiltrators wear exposed by others.

exception on August 15, 2010 at 2:53 PM

There was a dangerous and very real communist infiltration and he aided it. Rather than the real communists, he chased his imaginary infiltrations. He discredited real effort. Actual infiltrators wear exposed by others.

exception on August 15, 2010 at 2:53 PM

So just who did he falsely accuse of being a communist that really wasn’t if he was so misled?

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 2:57 PM

So just who did he falsely accuse of being a communist that really wasn’t if he was so misled?

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Who was on the list claimed he had? Who were the communists he found in the Army?

exception on August 15, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Who was on the list claimed he had? Who were the communists he found in the Army?

exception on August 15, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Again I ask you for a name of someone he falsely accused of being a communist who had no communist sympathies or history of wrong-doing. Read Ann Coulter’s book Treason or Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America’s Enemies and you can see that there is verifiable data showing “complete list of McCarthy’s early suspects, plus now accessible data on many of these cases that show Communist affiliation, hanging out with Moscow spies, identification as Soviet agents in the Venona papers, and so on.” Despite the story today, McCarthy did expose Soviet spys working for the government, but more importantly, he exposed the democrat establishment for being sympathetic to and aiding communist infiltrators.

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Margaret Sanger.

J.E. Dyer on August 15, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Joe McCarthy was right about Communist infiltration, so there’s really no excuse for the popular denouncement of him.

It does appear he was a political opportunist, using the problem to advance his own career, so I can understand those who dislike him and think he did more harm than good.

But can we at least admit that he was right many, many times in his accusations, that being a political opportunist is not exactly uncommon among Congresscritters, and that the attempts to demonize him came from the very crowd that sympathized with Communists and saw no problem with them infiltrating this country? So why should be blame McCarthy for the excesses of his enemies?

Maybe he wasn’t a hero, but to put him on a list of the worst Americans is sublimely ridiculous.

There Goes The Neighborhood on August 15, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Where’s Woodrow Wilson?

I’ll take “resegregating the military 6 decades after the end of the Civil War for $1,000,” Alex. Oh, and in general lying during his campaign stump speeches vis-a-vis WWI and being one of the most racist, backward presidents of all time.

Though I suppose in fairness to him he did bankrupt Europe through his lending policies, meaning that once Hitler rose up from Wilson’s monetary decisions Europe would be too poor to war with itself to this very day.

BKennedy on August 15, 2010 at 3:53 PM

I think results are more important than intent. Even if Carter is more incompetent then evil, the results of his horrendous policies can not be ignored. That said, the list that follows contains many groups instead of individuals because some of the worst things done in the country were a collective effort.

10. Federal Bureaucracy – A monster that stands in the way of individual liberty and free commerce. Soon to be even more monstrous when it makes life and death choices for us under ObamaCare.

9. The Constitutional Convention – Don’t get your panties in a bunch. The Founding Fathers were, without question, men of incredible genius. But as I stated already, this list is results oriented. There was a compromise on slavery and the results of that speak for itself. An excellent argument does exist that without this compromise there would be no constitution. An if I were part of the convention I would most likely support the compromise myself. But institutionalizing slavery did lead to a great deal of harm regardless.

8. Every race baiting man or woman past or present. – These individuals have done more to perpetuate the status of blacks as a victim class, thus keeping them second class citizens as a result.

7. Woodrow Wilson – Instrumental in creating the League of Nations.

6. FDR/Harry Truman – Instrumental in creating the United Nations.

5. Jimmy Carter – His appeasement of Islamists set the standard for appeasement practiced by every president following him ,leading to the problems we have today.

4. James Buchanan – I suppose an argument could be made that the Civil War was inevitable. But this man did literally nothing to try and prevent it after Lincoln’s election and states starting seceding.

3. United States Supreme Court that handed down the Roe v. Wade ruling. – 50 million murdered children since. Need I say more?

2. Rachel Carson and William Ruckelshaus – The banning of DDT has led to 60 million dead worldwide.

1. The Rosenbergs – No Americans have done more to help create the Evil Empire and its sister states (including China) then the Rosenbergs. More have suffered and died as a result of this then I can comprehend.

NotCoach on August 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM

OK, I just made a long post with my top 10. Where is it?

NotCoach on August 15, 2010 at 4:07 PM

This is a panties test.

NotCoach on August 15, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Sorry about the above. Just trying to see what word caused my post to not post.

NotCoach on August 15, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Re Joe McCarthy, M. Stanton Evans book is a good read. Reviewed here: Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy

“M. Stanton Evans argues that Joseph McCarthy does not deserve the bad reputation he has been assigned by historians. Mr. Evans says that McCarthy was correct in his assessment of the threat posed by Communists in the United States during the so-called “Red Scare” and that his detractors knowingly covered up the extent of this threat.”

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2010 at 4:15 PM

King Kobra on August 15, 2010 at 5:22 AM

Tobias on August 15, 2010 at 12:10 AM

There is a N.B.Forrest Road a few blocks from my house, and for any who have never driven through, a giant statue of him on a raring horse right on the I65 highway leading into Nashville from the south. One man’s villain is another man’s hero, obviously and largely depends on where you learned your ‘history’.
Sadly, the statue is fairly hideous and makes him look a bit deranged, but it is a conversation starter with visitors. lol

di butler on August 15, 2010 at 2:13 AM

I think you should give Susan B. Anthony a break. Like many movements that take a foul turn, the early ‘feminist’ movement had valid reasons for beginning. Unfortunately, it has been co-opted by progressives in the mold of Margaret Sanger (who definitely belongs on the list), but Anthony was a strong pro-life woman. Have you checked out Feminists for Life? That is where I learned more of the truth about the early ‘feminist’ movement than today’s feminazis would like us to know. Until then, I despised them too. However, I fully agree that women today, as a group, are sh**ty voters. *sigh*

notagool on August 15, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Maybe they require that the events already be in the history books? I’ll grant that everything you say, assuming he isn’t stopped (and I have serious doubts that he will be, in time) is true. He makes my list by virtue of his anti-life stance in the BAIPA. His words whenever he speaks of life…talk about a ghoul. *shiver*

hawkdriver on August 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM

HotAir is a better place when you are here. :)

Kind of odd how we love to rank things, though. Why is it fun to make Top 10, Top 25 lists of everything?
reaganaut on August 15, 2010 at 12:20 PM

So we can argue and tell each other how stupid your list is compared to mine, which is obviously superior. ;)

pannw on August 15, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Torn between FDR and Carter; is it worse to destroy a functioning economy or never allow a broken one to really recover?

Dark-Star on August 15, 2010 at 5:22 PM

9. The Constitutional Convention – Don’t get your panties in a bunch. The Founding Fathers were, without question, men of incredible genius. But as I stated already, this list is results oriented. There was a compromise on slavery and the results of that speak for itself. An excellent argument does exist that without this compromise there would be no constitution. An if I were part of the convention I would most likely support the compromise myself. But institutionalizing slavery did lead to a great deal of harm regardless.

NotCoach on August 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Slavery was already an institution of nearly 200 years’ standing.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 5:47 PM

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Agree, Joe McCarthy was a true patriot.

Inanemergencydial on August 15, 2010 at 2:36 PM

I disagree. I’ve never been a McCarthy fan. I think it’s pretty clear that he was an opportunist and didn’t care what innocent people he slimed and whose lives he ruined. He might have started out with good intentions, but in the end he might as well have been on the USSR’s payroll, given the effect he had.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 5:53 PM

1. Herbert Croly

2. Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

3. Woodow Wilson

4. Theodore Roosevelt

5. That Man

6. William James

7. John Dewey

8. John C. Calhoun

9. Roscoe Pound

10. Lyndon Baines Johnson

11. John Sherman (Sherman Antitrust Act)

Kalapana on August 15, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Leon Czolgosz.

Kalapana on August 15, 2010 at 6:15 PM

I disagree. I’ve never been a McCarthy fan. I think it’s pretty clear that he was an opportunist and didn’t care what innocent people he slimed and whose lives he ruined. He might have started out with good intentions, but in the end he might as well have been on the USSR’s payroll, given the effect he had.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Thats because you haven’t read Mr. Evan’s book on McCarthy. If everything that had been portrayed about him were true, then you would be correct, only problem is, 99% of everything you read about him is either a total lie or a distortion of the facts. His extremely bad name amongst liberals should be proof of that. As I said before, if he slimed an innocent person, name one of them. Be specific!

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 6:17 PM

crr6 gets my vote…

Khun Joe on August 15, 2010 at 6:32 PM

1. LBJ
2. FDR
3. Wilson
4. The Civil War/Segregationist South

therightwinger on August 15, 2010 at 7:13 PM

Doug Mataconis – to take one example – rightly (in my opinion) leaves Jimmy Carter off of his revised list because he considers the Georgia peanut farmer to be “incompetent, not evil.”

…so…I guess that I’m disagreeing with both of you. Mr. Peanut was incompetent while in office, in a time of middling national stress. Sure ’nuff.

…but (and listen closely), cowardice, incompetence or not being well served by ones subordinates is never an excuse…waffling for whatever reason after one accepts a position of great responsibility is the very definition of evil. Where the guys watching the wire at Treblinka merely cogs…or were they part of the evil?

…nope…while not Lucifer himself, Mr. Carter was at least an angel of Hell…a minor league one, given his abilities…sort of like the little cloven-hooved bastards who tempt you to eat that extra slice of cake…not the ones who make you laughingly hurl the Zyklon-B canister down the spout…not enough juice for that….

…but, I applaud that you remembered John Walker…I’d have to add little Johhny Walker Lindh (ironic name, no?), if only as an alternate.

Furthermore, I’d strike the Rosenbergs. Far from being the secular socialist saints that the totalitarian left still maintains that they are, they were relative small fry. They aren’t even important enough to despise. In their place, I’d put David Greenglass. Not only did he rat out his own sister, but he’s been interviewed relatively recently and isn’t the least bit contrite about anything…and that weasel (apologies to small carnivores everywhere) is still alive….

I’m with you on deleting the knee-jerk reactions to Pelosi, ad nauseum. They’re merely the pimples that our current age has broken out in.

…but, if you’re going to ante up with a Forrest, I’d have to disagree and raise you a blue chip or two. Knowing a few things about Gen. Forrest and about his age, and only having 25 names to list in a nation which’s produced as many villains as it has heroes, it’s a tough one. Forrest for his KKK doings? Read on. Let me suggest:

* I’m not sure if anyone’d agree with me in adding John Brown. He was an unrepentant domestic terrorist a la Tim McVeigh, and his claiming to serve a just cause doesn’t absolve him…especially considering the methods he chose to use in such a volatile time. This guy was a true skunk.

* William Lloyd Garrison, who tore up the Constitution and swore at the Bible in the service of his ideology. Bad rhetoric, like bad methods, sully even the best of causes. When cooler heads were needed, Mr. G ramped up the furnace.

* …and, rather than a specific guy (which might give rise to a history geek knife fight), let me suggest this: the slave ship owner, from the guy on the blame line of “the White Lion, an English pirate ship under the Dutch flag” in 1619 to the guys who slipped in contraband Africans after 1808…then mix in all of the miserable cretins who profited from the flesh trade into Brazil, the Caribbean and elsewhere…and those who later sold their kin (here we can include Gen. Forrest in his professional capacity prior to the war)…call him “The Slave Trader”, and make him the founding father of all the problems of race in this nation to this day.

…crr6 doesn’t rate a mention…let him stew on the “inconveniently drawing breath bench” with Mr. Carter….

…and let me suggest one more: Jane Fonda. Might’ve missed her on the list, and she’s probably been mentioned a few times already…still, she rates a place on any list of bottom-feeders.

…anyone thought of compiling a list of 25 Noblest Americans yet?

Puritan1648 on August 15, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Let’s get something straight about Jim Jones: He’s was a communist. The religion was just a ruse used in the beginning. It wan’t soon after he started preaching the social justice crap. Mao, Stalin, Castro, Pol Pot were his gods. People at Jonestown were not allowed to read the Bible.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Richard Nixon and Joe McCarthy are unfairly demonized.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 7:54 PM

Oh, and the usual suspects are trying to rehabilitate Jonestown and the members of the temple who were just as much to blame as Jones. They are attempting to portray them as idealists who were led astray. Bull$h*te!

The only innocents were the hundreds of children they murdered.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM

As I said before, if he slimed an innocent person, name one of them. Be specific!

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Let’s put it another way: how many actual Communists did McCarthy ever expose? Give me some names.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM

I remember years ago they had the worse human beings list and Hillary was only one name above Dr. Mengele. LOL!

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:01 PM

…read Annie Coulter’s Treason. He nailed a few…and as the history books are written by the losers, that is conveniently and institutionally forgotten….

Puritan1648 on August 15, 2010 at 8:07 PM

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Mary Jane Keeney

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:08 PM

…and Keeney’s husband.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:08 PM

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Qian Xuesen

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:11 PM

No Roger B. Taney? I would put him at least as high as Nathan Bedford Forest, providing a constitutional precedent for systematic racism.

Axeman on August 15, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Let’s get something straight about Jim Jones: He’s was a communist. The religion was just a ruse used in the beginning. It wan’t soon after he started preaching the social justice crap. Mao, Stalin, Castro, Pol Pot were his gods. People at Jonestown were not allowed to read the Bible.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Jones stomped on the bible in front of his “congregation” and just like a good Marxist said “there are no answers in there.”

Plus, he ran a rent-a-protest-mob racket in SF in the 60s & 70s.

Axeman on August 15, 2010 at 8:19 PM

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Qian Xuesen

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:11 PM

That was pre-McCarthy.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Joe McCarthy was right about Communist infiltration, so there’s really no excuse for the popular denouncement of him.

There Goes The Neighborhood on August 15, 2010 at 3:40 PM

I really find the attempt to rehabitiate Joe McCarthy ridiculous. What the heck is a “Communist infiltration,” after all? Sure, there were a lot of active and former communists in government. Well, what do you expect? People amiable to central control of the economy gravitate towards government work. There’re plenty of communists in our government now. It’s a free country. If you want to be a advocate of communism, well, go ahead.

Persecuting people for their political beliefs is wrong, no matter how wrong their beliefs are. America didn’t need people like Joe McCarthy. The freedom and liberty under a free-market system is self-evident. Even people subjected to 24/7 propaganda behind the Iron Curtain realized this.

year_of_the_dingo on August 15, 2010 at 8:21 PM

As I said before, if he slimed an innocent person, name one of them. Be specific!

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Millard Tydings in the faked photo with Earl Browder.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 8:27 PM

When your political beliefs want to enslave me, hell yeah you should be persecuted!

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Richard Nixon and Joe McCarthy are unfairly demonized.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 7:54 PM

Nixon was of course unfairly demonized by liberals before he became president, but after he was elected Nixon provided libs all the ammo they could have ever needed.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Nixon was of course unfairly demonized by liberals before he became president, but after he was elected Nixon provided libs all the ammo they could have ever needed.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 8:31 PM

I don’t need some twat lecturing me on history, okay? Your opinion does not change the fact that in my opinion he was unfairly demonized. Your opinion, I’m not interested in.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Qian Xuesen

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:11 PM

That was arguably the dumbest episode during the Red Scare. For no reason at all we forced a brilliant man back to communist China, where he fathered their missile program, the threat of which we face today.

year_of_the_dingo on August 15, 2010 at 8:45 PM

ernesto on August 15, 2010 at 8:28 AM

Neither Mr. McNamara or Mr. Rumsfeld were in the position to send anyone to war. The main difference between the two was whether or not they wanted to win the wars that their respective CICs gave them.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2010 at 8:48 PM

What about Walter Duranty? I know he wasn’t “American” but he worked for the NYT. What would have been the difference if people had understood the truth about Communism?

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2010 at 8:53 PM

That was arguably the dumbest episode during the Red Scare. For no reason at all we forced a brilliant man back to communist China, where he fathered their missile program, the threat of which we face today.

year_of_the_dingo on August 15, 2010 at 8:45 PM

No, your comment has to be one of the dumbest in the thread though ddrintin is right behind you. How naive do you have to be to believe he didn’t become a commie until after he was kicked out? And he didn’t have to return to Red China.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:59 PM

It’s interesting that the author would single out N. Bedford Forrest as one of the 25 worst. I’d like to know how he came to that pick.

Bedford Forrest was a brave soldier, an excellent general, a brilliant cavalry tactician and all around colorful character.

Oh sure, he was a slave owner, a slave trader, possibly allowed the massacre of a bunch of black prisoners and was almost certainly a member of the KKK- but hey, nobody’s perfect. Right?

justltl on August 15, 2010 at 9:11 PM

justltl on August 15, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Several people mention interesting things about him, the one below was pretty interesting.

Tobias on August 15, 2010 at 12:10 AM

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2010 at 9:19 PM

No, your comment has to be one of the dumbest in the thread though ddrintin is right behind you.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Dumbest? I said he was pre-McCarthy. Which he was.

I don’t need some twat lecturing me on history, okay?

Maybe you do.

Your opinion does not change the fact that in my opinion he was unfairly demonized. Your opinion, I’m not interested in.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:40 PM

So, why comment on it?

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Your opinion does not change the fact that in my opinion he was unfairly demonized. Your opinion, I’m not interested in.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Yeah, right. Watergate was all a commie-media-Democrat plot to blow a minor thing out of all proportion. I’m not all that interested in your opinion, either, except when you try to substitute it for fact.

The worst thing that could’ve happened to Nixon was being elected president. He got it and he destroyed himself.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Dang.
I must have missed page one.
Sorry.

Won’t happen again.

justltl on August 15, 2010 at 9:38 PM

(If you’re looking for an excuse to really hate me, those of you I see on Twitter every day talking about Obama’s secret plans to destroy America because he’s some sort of Manchurian Candidate simply put me to sleep.)

Just take another hit and fageddaboudit. No POTUS could possibly wish to see America cut down to size, right?

disa on August 15, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Now Stonewall Jackson.
There was a guy who was probably as great a tactician as Bedford Forrest and also of unimpeachable character.
Apart from sleeping through the Seven Days battles, he was spectacular.
I almost cried over Chancellorsville.

justltl on August 15, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Yeah, right. Watergate was all a commie-media-Democrat plot to blow a minor thing out of all proportion. I’m not all that interested in your opinion, either, except when you try to substitute it for fact.

The worst thing that could’ve happened to Nixon was being elected president. He got it and he destroyed himself.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Spare me your bull$h*te. And I’m not now nor have I ever been interested in your opinion when you obviously have no problems playing so fast and loose with facts. Now, piss off. You’re boring me, kid.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 9:51 PM

I almost cried over Chancellorsville.

justltl on August 15, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Man, you must be old. ;)

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Spare me your bull$h*te. And I’m not now nor have I ever been interested in your opinion when you obviously have no problems playing so fast and loose with facts. Now, piss off. You’re boring me, kid.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 9:51 PM

Ooooh, now there’s a fact-filled knock-down argument for ya! Wow! Kid.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 9:53 PM

And I’m not now nor have I ever been interested in your opinion when you obviously have no problems playing so fast and loose with facts.

Blake on August 15, 2010 at 9:51 PM

By the way, you can point out where I’ve played fast and loose with the facts. Anytime, professor.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 9:56 PM

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Older than dirt.

Say, did anyone up there mention Walter Cronkite, Jane Fonda and whatever douchebag makes those creepy Konica Minolta Biz Hub commercials?

justltl on August 15, 2010 at 9:58 PM


Despite the idiot opinion earlier, Joe McCarthy does not belong on the list. On the other hand, Obama, Carter, Woodrow Wilson, Johnson, and FDR clearly, even inarguably, belong there. Every one of them as a criminal.

proconstitution on August 15, 2010 at 10:07 PM

If you ask cops who the worst Americans are they will say Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson… but John Hawkins asked we Conservative Bloggers… so why is it such a surprise the list is dominated by the evil we oppose?

But if your criteria is body count, the Obama administration undercuts border enforcement and sues to prevent upholding the law, enabling the slaughter of more Americans daily then Jeffrey Dahmer ate in his life.

How is that not evil? How does that not put Barack Hussein Obama and Eric Holder ahead of Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson or Ted Kennedy.

DANEgerus on August 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Oh… and Nathan Bedford Forrest was both the founder of the KKK and a Democrat. The party that fought a war to defend slavery. The party that attempted to undermine Lincoln’s attempts to maintain the Union.

DANEgerus on August 15, 2010 at 10:18 PM

I really find the attempt to rehabitiate Joe McCarthy ridiculous. What the heck is a “Communist infiltration,” after all? Sure, there were a lot of active and former communists in government. Well, what do you expect? People amiable to central control of the economy gravitate towards government work. There’re plenty of communists in our government now. It’s a free country. If you want to be a advocate of communism, well, go ahead.

Persecuting people for their political beliefs is wrong, no matter how wrong their beliefs are. America didn’t need people like Joe McCarthy. The freedom and liberty under a free-market system is self-evident. Even people subjected to 24/7 propaganda behind the Iron Curtain realized this.

year_of_the_dingo on August 15, 2010 at 8:21 PM

It baffles me sometimes what things I have to defend. I actually have to explain why treason and subversion of a nation is wrong? So if you were in charge of a nation’s security, you would purposely allow enemy agents to come into the government or society for the sole purpose of gaining secrets and demoralizing its people so they can be conquered? How dumb do you have to be. Who do you think they were sharing our secrets with? The Soviets weren’t sending in spies because they were our friends or because they were looking to help us out. I mean, I knew there was a debate about McCarthy, but arguing whether we should prosecute enemy spies is beyond the realm of rational thinking.

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 10:30 PM

justltl on August 15, 2010 at 9:38 PM

We aren’t graded are we because I would be in big trouble.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2010 at 11:09 PM

I mean, I knew there was a debate about McCarthy, but arguing whether we should prosecute enemy spies is beyond the realm of rational thinking.

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 10:30 PM

It is. And that’s not what’s being argued.

The issue is McCarthy’s rabid fanaticism and Crusader-mentality, backdoor tyranny by accusation of being a ‘Commie’, along with public refusal to stand up to the nonsense.

We hadn’t seen such a herd mentality and such cowardice since the Salem witch trials. We allowed listened to a bunch of Chicken Littles screaming “the Reds are coming!”. We joined in our own version of the Two Minutes’ Hate against whomever the self-proclaimed judges and juries declared wasn’t American enough.

THAT is the issue with McCarthyism!

Dark-Star on August 15, 2010 at 11:22 PM

Let’s put it another way: how many actual Communists did McCarthy ever expose? Give me some names.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Well, Owen Lattimore, Philip Jessup, Gustavo Duran, Haldore Hanson, Esther Brunauer and Dorothy Kenyon to name a few. Then there’s the case of Amerasia and diplomat John Service which was covered up by the Justice Department in 1945 only to have the lid blown off 5 years later by McCarthy. He exposed plenty of communist spies, the only problem was that the democrats worked to protect the people he exposed. If McCarthy is to be faulted for anything, it would be because he under-emphasized the problem.

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 11:24 PM

Why do you suppose that Sen. McCarthy get the most credit/criticism about this period in history when there were tons of members of Congress involved? And, oh by the way, wasn’t it the House Committee on Un-American Activities the are normally attributed to be the investigating authority? Why is a senator involved with the House?

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2010 at 12:00 AM

As I said before, if he slimed an innocent person, name one of them. Be specific!

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Millard Tydings in the faked photo with Earl Browder.

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Is that the best you have? First off, Tydings was far from innocent in his sympathies toward covering up communist spy networks and secondly, the picture was a known forgery. Its not like he was really fooling everyone. Kind of like the composite photos of Obama floating around the Internet. The claim by liberals that he lost the election because of that photo is like the democrats claiming they lose elections because they were “swift-boated.”

NeverLiberal on August 16, 2010 at 12:15 AM

Your (Shaw) choice of Forest is plain wrong-headed. But I guess you expected a few of us to tell you that into your calculations. And no, I don`t need no stinkin` google although that may have been your primary source. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And don`t say you know karate if you really don`t. Same thing.

Why don`t you just say “The Confederacy” and make things simple for yourself?

But the truth is not that simple.

Sherman1864 on August 16, 2010 at 12:23 AM

It is. And that’s not what’s being argued.

The issue is McCarthy’s rabid fanaticism and Crusader-mentality, backdoor tyranny by accusation of being a ‘Commie’, along with public refusal to stand up to the nonsense.

We hadn’t seen such a herd mentality and such cowardice since the Salem witch trials. We allowed listened to a bunch of Chicken Littles screaming “the Reds are coming!”. We joined in our own version of the Two Minutes’ Hate against whomever the self-proclaimed judges and juries declared wasn’t American enough.

THAT is the issue with McCarthyism!

Dark-Star on August 15, 2010 at 11:22 PM

First off, your wrong, that is exactly what he was arguing, read his post again, secondly, if McCarthy was such a “rabid fanatic,” then name someone who was completely innocent whom he falsely accused. Out of all this debate, none of you anti-McCarthyites can name one of his innocent victims.

NeverLiberal on August 16, 2010 at 12:24 AM

Why do you suppose that Sen. McCarthy get the most credit/criticism about this period in history when there were tons of members of Congress involved? And, oh by the way, wasn’t it the House Committee on Un-American Activities the are normally attributed to be the investigating authority? Why is a senator involved with the House?

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2010 at 12:00 AM

Your right in saying there was more than just McCarthy that was uncovering the communist infiltration in our government. One thing that made McCarthy such a controversial figure was because he exposed the Justice Department for covering up a known case of communist infiltration. McCarthy knew something was fishy about it and when he blew the lid off the whole thing, McCarthy was targeted.

NeverLiberal on August 16, 2010 at 12:35 AM

I really find the attempt to rehabitiate Joe McCarthy ridiculous. What the heck is a “Communist infiltration,” after all? Sure, there were a lot of active and former communists in government. Well, what do you expect? People amiable to central control of the economy gravitate towards government work. There’re plenty of communists in our government now. It’s a free country. If you want to be a advocate of communism, well, go ahead.

Persecuting people for their political beliefs is wrong, no matter how wrong their beliefs are. America didn’t need people like Joe McCarthy. The freedom and liberty under a free-market system is self-evident. Even people subjected to 24/7 propaganda behind the Iron Curtain realized this.

year_of_the_dingo on August 15, 2010 at 8:21 PM

You have heard of the Cold War, right? Oh, it’s true enough that we’ve always had a bunch of communists involved in our government. You could even make a case that America was the true home of communism, because it’s been tried so many times in small communes in this country before Lenin’s revolution in 1917.

But when we’re engaged in a major cold war with the communist world, and we have a lot of communists throughout our own government, then it becomes a really big deal.

You do remember the origin of the phrase, “Third World?” During the Cold War, the world was basically divided into three camps: the First World, meaning free nations aligned with the U.S. and Europe, among others, the Second World, aligned with Communist Russia, Eastern Europe, and Red China, and the Third World that was not aligned with either of them, because they were not as developed.

To be a Communist in America during the Cold War was to be a traitor to your country, at least in spirit. To be a Communist in America in the U.S. government was to be a traitor in more than spirit.

McCarthy was flawed, but he was also viciously attacked and demonized by those in this country who were more loyal to communism than to their own nation. The same set of people who maintained that the Rosenbergs were innocent, and that Alger Hiss was falsely accused.

There Goes The Neighborhood on August 16, 2010 at 1:13 AM

Wasn’t Jim Jones’ cult a left wing atheist organization?

Johnny 100 Pesos on August 16, 2010 at 1:35 AM

Oh… and Nathan Bedford Forrest was both the founder of the KKK

Wrong

and a Democrat.

So were a lot of people at the time

The party that fought a war to defend slavery.

The basic cause of the Civil War was that the South seceded from the Union. The Civil War was not fought to force the freeing of slaves. It was fought to keep the South from seceding.

Secession had multiple causes, only one of which was slavery. Other causes included disputes about tariffs, which helped the Northern manufacturing industry but hurt the cotton trade the South depended on, and state’s rights. The Southern states felt like they had lost a voice in their own government. This led to many voices arguing that secession was a reasonable response, and perfectly legal under the Constitution. Then, you can mix in the plain arrogance of the Southern states in believing they could just withdraw and go their own way.

The arrogance, at least, was on both sides. Both sides were sure not only that they would win, but that the war would only last a few months.

The party that attempted to undermine Lincoln’s attempts to maintain the Union.

DANEgerus on August 15, 2010 at 10:18 PM

The Republican party unfortunately had itself to blame for handing over the South to Democrats for so long. If they had done as Lincoln requested and tried to reconcile the North and the South as soon as the war was over, it would have been better. Unfortunately, many wanted to punish the South rather than heal the land. When Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, the Republicans steamrolled Andrew Johnson and instituted a far more odious and harsh Reconstruction than Lincoln had ever wanted. To Johnson’s credit, he tried to prevent the scenario from playing out, and was rewarded for his efforts by being impeached.

There Goes The Neighborhood on August 16, 2010 at 1:51 AM

I almost cried over Chancellorsville.

justltl on August 15, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Man, you must be old. ;)

ddrintn on August 15, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Man, justltl is reading history. And you, ddrintn, could do with a joke book or two. Or at least send the one you have to the rubbish heap . . . .

A rational comment regarding a rational piece from a rational blog deserves a rational response. Not some kind of moonbattery spit with no shine.

Consider yourself admonished and have a good afternoon!

Sherman1864 on August 16, 2010 at 4:30 AM

I get a whiff of troll. Ddrintn is the source, I believe. I apologize for responding to a likely troll. Not an efficient use of my obviously limited brain resources.

Sherman1864 on August 16, 2010 at 4:38 AM

ddrint isn’t a troll. Just doesn’t agree.

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2010 at 7:26 AM

Aaron Burr is a hero. He killed the tyrant Hamilton, who ruined this country with his takeover of the banks and hijacking of the Constitutional Convention.

fossten on August 16, 2010 at 8:21 AM

It baffles me sometimes what things I have to defend. I actually have to explain why treason and subversion of a nation is wrong? So if you were in charge of a nation’s security, you would purposely allow enemy agents to come into the government or society for the sole purpose of gaining secrets and demoralizing its people so they can be conquered?

NeverLiberal on August 15, 2010 at 10:30 PM

If someone has committed treason or espionage, then he should be tried in a court of law. People shouldn’t lose their livelihood on the suspicion of harboring certain thoughts. That’s the kind of things that happens under communism.

year_of_the_dingo on August 16, 2010 at 8:29 AM

But when we’re engaged in a major cold war with the communist world, and we have a lot of communists throughout our own government, then it becomes a really big deal.

There Goes The Neighborhood on August 16, 2010 at 1:13 AM

And empowering the government to harass, compel cooperation from, and ruin the lives of private citizens is a good way to fight communism? The government harassing, compelling cooperation from, and ruining the lives of private citizens IS communism.

year_of_the_dingo on August 16, 2010 at 8:43 AM

Is that the best you have? First off, Tydings was far from innocent in his sympathies…

NeverLiberal on August 16, 2010 at 12:15 AM

Ummmm….yeah. OK. My point is made.

Man, justltl is reading history. And you, ddrintn, could do with a joke book or two. Or at least send the one you have to the rubbish heap . . . .

Sherman1864 on August 16, 2010 at 4:30 AM

Or better yet, you could get that bug out of your ass.

ddrintn on August 16, 2010 at 9:09 AM

ddrintn on August 16, 2010 at 9:09 AM

Never thought I would see the day that you were called a troll. The word is going to lose it’s relevance.

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Since the McCarthyites won’t even bother with a Google search or three (probably because it would show their lying eyes what a monster he was), here’s an innocent to start them off:

William Burnett Benton, accused among other things of “anti-American behaviour” by having the Encyclopaedia Britannica printed in England rather than in the United States. Also was destroyed so badly by another one of McFarthy’s smear campaigns in 1951 (he was up for reelection) that he retired from politics entirely.

Dark-Star on August 16, 2010 at 10:02 AM

And here’s another two:

Owen Lattimore, with accusations ‘backed’ by his comrade Louis Budenz, using secondhand information that was 13 years old.

Drew Pearson, who criticized his accusations through columns and radio broadcasts. McCarthy made seven speeches to the Senate on Pearson that resulted in the loss of sponsors to Pearson’s show and raised money to help numerous men sue Pearson, all charges of which he was found innocent and not liable.

And here’s an interesting fact – Mr.All-Amurrican CommieKiller was elected to his first term in the Senate with support from the Communist-controlled United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers, cio, which preferred him to the anti-communist Robert M. La Follette. Now how do you like them apples?!

Dark-Star on August 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM

It is funny watching all the arm-chair historians alt-tabbing between posting here and what they just learned from Google ten seconds ago.

You guys are living the effects of just how successful the communist movement was in infiltrating American society. Look how well they have indoctrinated most of the youth culture through their sympathizers in academia and Hollywood.

Notice that the red scare has now been portrayed as some crazy myth that only old crusty right wingers. Wonder who established that narrative…hmmm.

ClassicCon on August 16, 2010 at 11:28 AM

If someone has committed treason or espionage, then he should be tried in a court of law. People shouldn’t lose their livelihood on the suspicion of harboring certain thoughts. That’s the kind of things that happens under communism.

year_of_the_dingo on August 16, 2010 at 8:29 AM

How about sedition? So as long as the country is not overtly overthrown, but slowly rotted from the inside then you are A-O.K. with it, huh?

Your professors have trained you well.

ClassicCon on August 16, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Aaron Burr still belongs on the list. Had he won the presidency he might have destroyed the republic in its crib. He was a SOB too.

Mr. Joe on August 16, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Margaret Sanger.

J.E. Dyer on August 15, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Thank you. I was going to add that myself, until I saw your post. I rather think she ought to be #1 among Worst Americans.

But again, at what point does a bad plan cross the line to a criminally bad plan which, given your experience and position, you should have known better than to implement? Going back once again to the choices by the other entrants, almost everyone selected Jimmy Carter. (Except Doug, who had him on his original list from five years ago.) Look, I served in the military under Carter. His economic policies were a disaster and his tentative stance on the use of military force damaged our international standing, in my opinion. He was awful. But was he a “worst American?” Did he have malicious plans for the nation he duped into electing him?

Does systematic destruction of the United States for the purpose of leveling the playing field in the world theatre count for the Worst Americans list?

Carter was an idiot. Obama brings a grudge and a chip on his shoulder. Die-hard socialist with an appetite for playing Marx’s version of Robin Hood and a predeliction for for throwing erstwhile allies to the wayside in the interest of showing what fine, caring people we are to murderers and tyrants.

The One gets #2 on my list, behind the eugenicist Sanger.

KinleyArdal on August 16, 2010 at 12:02 PM

The funny thing about this article is that a large segment of it is used in chastising choices others have made under the argument that, in the author’s opinion, despite the bad outcome, the “worst” people others have listed were essentially trying to do good (see Carter, etc). So, the author’s argument seems to be: judge them on their “intent” instead of their actions or on the outcome of their actions!

But, if one is trying to crawl into another person’s head to discern whether that person’s was “intending to do good” despite the horrible outcome of their actions, then how can the author include folks like Booth, Oswald, Jim Jones, Timothy McVeigh, etc. on HIS list? If you actually get inside their heads and ask yourself, based on their experiences, their thought processes, their outlook, etc were they “trying” to do evil, or “trying” to do good?

It seems to me that the author’s argument can be equally applied to much of his list of the “worst” Americans.

Looks like there is a whole lot of hypocrisy going on here!

Fatal on August 16, 2010 at 1:38 PM

It is funny watching all the arm-chair historians alt-tabbing between posting here and what they just learned from Google ten seconds ago.

ClassicCon on August 16, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Says another armchair historian. All I asked for was a list of actual Communists that McCarthy exposed. All I got was 2 or 3 names, one of which predated McCarthy.

How about sedition? So as long as the country is not overtly overthrown, but slowly rotted from the inside then you are A-O.K. with it, huh?

ClassicCon on August 16, 2010 at 11:32 AM

I’d rather leave the impulse to criminalize political differences to the moonbats.

ddrintn on August 16, 2010 at 3:38 PM

And here’s another two:

Owen Lattimore, with accusations ‘backed’ by his comrade Louis Budenz, using secondhand information that was 13 years old.

Drew Pearson, who criticized his accusations through columns and radio broadcasts. McCarthy made seven speeches to the Senate on Pearson that resulted in the loss of sponsors to Pearson’s show and raised money to help numerous men sue Pearson, all charges of which he was found innocent and not liable.

Dark-Star on August 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM

First off, if you think McCarthy unfairly targeted Lattimore for being a communist spy, they you don’t know the real story. There is zero doubt that Lattimore was indeed a traitor. From RenewAmerica:

A year after the Tydings whitewash, the Senate internal Security Subcommittee — chaired by Nevada Democrat Pat McCarran (yes, there were conservative Democrats in those days) — found, among much other damning evidence, the following:

* Lattimore had conferred (during the Hitler-Stalin pact) with the Soviet ambassador about Lattimore’s upcoming assignment as President Roosevelt’s adviser to Chiang-Kai-Shek — then trying to fend off the Communist revolution in his country.

* Credible testimony revealed “five episodes” wherein Lattimore — within the Politburo of the Communist Party — “participated as a full participant in the conspiracy.”

* A former brigadier-general in the Soviet military intelligence testified to having been told that “Lattimore was one of our men.”

In a nutshell, the verdict

On page 218 of the McCarran committee’s voluminous report of its year-long investigation, this bottom line: “[T]he subcommittee can come to no other conclusion but that Lattimore was for some time beginning in the 1930s a conscious, articulate instrument of the Soviet conspiracy.”

As for Drew Pearsons, from Stanton Evan’s book:

Karr was the subject of one of the bitterest speeches ever delivered by McCarthy—a denunciation of columnist Drew Pearson as a propagandist for pro-Soviet causes. McCarthy’s main proof of this was the assertion that Karr, a legman and reporter for Pearson, was a Red agent and that his influence in behalf of Moscow was evident in Pearson’s columns savaging anti-Communist spokesmen (McCarthy himself, not so coincidentally, foremost among them).his triggered angry answers from Karr, Pearson, Sen. Clinton Anderson (D-N.M.), and others saying McCarthy had smeared an upstanding newsman. But, as in other cases cited, the evidence of Venona—and other Soviet data— indicates McCarthy knew whereof he spoke. Like his fellow suspects, Karr shows * Similar information was provided to the Bentley spy ring by Treasury staffer Harry White. L http://www.ThreeRiversPress.com He Had in His Hand [ 45 ] up in Venona, albeit in a different manner. He appears only once, in his own persona and without cover name, providing information to the Soviet agent/TASS correspondent Samuel Krafsur. He also appears in a document gleaned from Russian sources by intelligence expert Herbert Romerstein, as follows: In 1978, American Senator Edward Kennedy appealed to the KGB to assist in establishing cooperation between Soviet organizations and the California firm Agritech, headed by former Senator J. Tunney. This firm in turn was connected to the French-American company, Finatech, S.A., which was run by a competent KGB source, the prominent Western financier D. Karr, through whom opinions had been confidentially exchanged for several years between the General Secretary of the Communist Party and Sen. Kennedy. D. Karr provided the KGB with technical information on conditions in the U.S. and other capitalist countries which were regularly reported to the Central Committee.7 The description of Karr as a “competent KGB source” underscores the indication in Venona that he was an agent of the Soviet interest. So, for that matter, does the reference to Karr as a “prominent Western financier,” a status in large part achieved through his linkage to the bizarre Moscow front man Armand Hammer, an even more fantastic Cold War figure whose considerable fortune was based on dealings with the Kremlin.

For time sake, I will not digress on William Benton, but if you are really that interested in him, Mr. Evans devotes an entire chapter about his exchange with McCarthy in his book. Like I said before, the anti-McCarthyites cannot provide one of these so-called “innocent” victims that McCarthy supposedly lied about.

NeverLiberal on August 16, 2010 at 9:56 PM

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