Fox News: Whoa! Multiplayer video games put some people on the enemy team!
posted at 6:00 pm on August 14, 2010 by MadisonConservative
Did she say World War 2 wasn’t based on real people?
First of all…it’s 2010. Video games have existed for nearly 40 years now. Video games with multiplayer capabilities like Medal of Honor have been around for about 15 years. And guess what? You’ve been able to play the bad guys for all of that time. Ever heard of CounterStrike? Came out in 1999, and was multiplayer-only. One side was the counter-terrorists, with teams such as Delta Force and the British SAS. Take a second and imagine what the other side was. Yes, terrorists. How else could the game be played if you didn’t have another side playing the opposition? Battlefield 1942, another popular multiplayer game, based on World War 2 battles. One side was an Allied power, and the other side…this is going to blow you away, I know…an Axis power. Yes, you played as the Nazis, the Italians, or the Japanese. Otherwise you’d have a couple dozen people running around shooting at thin air. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare and its sequels were both immensely popular because of their multiplayer, where one side played…wait for it…terrorists.
News flash: they were all video games. They were all imaginary. They all required two sides. If one side was the heroes, the other was the villains. This concept is not new.
Did NOBODY at Fox ever play Cowboys and Indians as a kid? Oops, I’m sorry. That’s racist, isn’t it?
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oh right munich, made by that jew-hater steven spielberg.
wait what?
some commenters on ha.. seriously..
triple on August 14, 2010 at 11:45 PM
Bingo! Parents should know their kids well enough to decide whether they should play or not. I knew my girls would be fine. But I notice that just because you think that it was wrong for your daughter, it doesn’t mean that you want it banned for everyone. Which is exactly right.
I think people want them banned for everyone so they don’t have to worry about parenting, which when done right can be very hard, time consuming, and requires constant vigilance.
Lily on August 14, 2010 at 11:50 PM
What is the secular cult of the Jew? Haggling. What is his secular God? Money.
An organisation of society that abolished the basis upon which haggling exists, i.e. the possibility of haggling, would have made the Jew impossible… The emancipation of the Jews is, in the last analysis, the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.
“This young lady, who instantly overwhelmed me with her kindness, is the ugliest creature I have seen in my entire life, with repulsive Jewish facial features.”
The man who said these things was Karl Marx.
He too was born a Jew.
sharrukin on August 15, 2010 at 12:06 AM
We have people who do that for a living in the military. They’re called the opposition force or op-for. You can learn a lot by playing as the enemy.
Mojave Mark on August 15, 2010 at 12:31 AM
I’ve only seen Green Zone out of that list. It caused me to produce more than a little fuss…just not on this forum.
ynot4tony2 on August 15, 2010 at 12:40 AM
My nine-year-old daughter completely pwns the survivors when she plays as the zombies in Left4Dead 1&2.
DrAllecon on August 15, 2010 at 12:47 AM
My son has played both sides in the ‘Command and Conquer’ amd ‘Medal of Honor’ games. I don’t have an issue with it because he’s 16 and because games of that type have well defined good and evil.
Games like ‘Grand Theft Auto’ have evil and really evil.
When my ex-husband(whom he lives with) bought our son a few games from that series when he was in middle school I balked. He wanted to fly a plane-which GFA allows a player to do-but so what.
annoyinglittletwerp on August 15, 2010 at 1:01 AM
The man who said these things was Karl Marx.
He too was born a Jew.
sharrukin on August 15, 2010 at 12:06 AM
I was raised a politically/socially conservative Reform Jew.
Sadly, for many Jews on the left- their Judaism is a cultural thing and only becomes theologically useful when it can be exploited enough to affirm their politics.
This isn’t exclusively the domain of Judaism. Since I’ve been a protestant and now Catholic I’ve encountered similar ‘beliefs’ among supposed Christians.
annoyinglittletwerp on August 15, 2010 at 1:10 AM
Precisely. Many people as you say utilize their so-called faith as a weapon without really believing in much of anything.
Pelosi is said to be a catholic but I think we all know she is nothing of the sort. Most Jews in Hollywood are likely the same sort of people.
sharrukin on August 15, 2010 at 1:14 AM
I would crush your daughter in L4D2…yeah I said it.
ClassicCon on August 15, 2010 at 1:28 AM
some naive kids on ha…seriously…totally
Never heard of the self-loathing jew? DNC is full of them.
ClassicCon on August 15, 2010 at 1:30 AM
So you’re saying the guy who directed schindler’s list is a self-hating jew. That about right?
triple on August 15, 2010 at 1:42 AM
I don’t know… and neither do you. What I do know is that your idea that his being Jewish precludes self-hatred is wrong.
sharrukin on August 15, 2010 at 1:49 AM
I don’t know… and neither do you. What I do know is that your idea that his being Jewish precludes self-hatred is wrong.
sharrukin on August 15, 2010 at 1:49 AM
Spielberg’s religion is first liberalism and then Judaism. When I was growing up I knew plenty of ‘self-hating’ Jews. My aunt is one. While we’re estranged now, in the past she has used her Judaism to paint herself as a victim, to lobby for her pet far-left causes, and to demonize the right. If my dad hadn’t resembled her so much-blond and light eyed-I would have suspect that he was adopted.
Oh…and Adam Gadahn-the Taliban’s pet american spokes’man’…was born Jewish.
annoyinglittletwerp on August 15, 2010 at 2:02 AM
I didn’t know that. Liberalism really is a strange and twisted brew!
sharrukin on August 15, 2010 at 2:05 AM
This is silly. Who hasn’t played as Rommel in some tank game, or Lenin or Hitler in any of the Civ games? I played the Americans more often than not in the Civs (2nd fave was the Chinese), but also played all the other civs at least once, and overran “the US” many, many times.
After all, I loved America so much that I wouldn’t be without a village of it :)
foobarista on August 15, 2010 at 2:16 AM
This is silly. Who hasn’t played as Rommel in some tank game, or Lenin or Hitler in any of the Civ games? I played the Americans more often than not in the Civs (2nd fave was the Chinese), but also played all the other civs at least once, and overran “the US” many, many times.
After all, I loved America so much that I wouldn’t be without a village of it :)
foobarista on August 15, 2010 at 2:16 AM
When my husband plays ‘Hitler’ he has a lot of his civilizations convert to…Judaism.
Heh.
annoyinglittletwerp on August 15, 2010 at 2:22 AM
Sounds like fun. I might have to buy it.
tx2654 on August 15, 2010 at 2:27 AM
Wow guys. So what if hes a liberal? You saying liberals aren’t “real jews?”
That’s about as stupid as Reid saying he doesn’t know how a hispanic can be a republican. Way to lower the bar for political discourse.
triple on August 15, 2010 at 2:34 AM
Wow guys. So what if hes a liberal? You saying liberals aren’t “real jews?”
That’s about as stupid as Reid saying he doesn’t know how a hispanic can be a republican. Way to lower the bar for political discourse.
triple on August 15, 2010 at 2:34 AM
When I was growing up the ONLY non-orthodox conservative Jews that I knew lived under my roof. I grew up SURROUNDED by Jewish liberals.
Though I’m Catholic now-in no small part due to the alienation I received from the Jewish left-I still have a better understanding of the situation than you do.
My parents were right-leaning reformed Jews but that was unusual. Normally, the more a Jew becomes a ‘Talmud-Torah’ Jew-the more conservative he becomes.
There’s a reason for that.
annoyinglittletwerp on August 15, 2010 at 2:50 AM
Europa Universalis is one of those. I learnt so much about European history from it. Also, the discussions I had with friends about what I had found out.
Hope on August 15, 2010 at 4:29 AM
They brought a Gold Star Mom out? Seriously, that’s low!
There is no correlation between violent video games and actual violence. Anyone here should read Grand Theft Childhood (or watch Penn and Teller debunk this myth), an excellent repudiation of a fraud that has been asserted and perpetuated (erroneously), by elements of the media and certain activist groups.
As for Medal of Honor. How many people know that we sustained the most casualties in the Afghan war last month? If anything, this game only illuminates the precarious situation in Afghanistan that was neglected by Hollywood (we have no Guadicanal Diary or Sands of Iwo Jima for Afghanistan, and there is some very compelling material out ther, like Operation Anaconda) and most of the brilliant minds in the media. I wish EA had said that, instead of the bogus retort the put out there.
As for playing as a terrorist, what do these people think of the Military making some of their guys the bad guys (OPFOR) in war games? A game can’t function without resistance. Just because I play as the Taliban in this game, it doesn’t constitute me enlisting with them. Nor am I compelled to “grow up” and fight with them. It’s sophistry.
Cr4sh Dummy on August 15, 2010 at 6:18 AM
I think the mother in the video was just saying that it might be too soon considering we’re still fighting this war. It doesn’t matter to me but EA could keep the enemy AI in this game and allow the multiplayer function as teams against them.
Do what you want. But it does kind of creep me out too to think that while you might have some American kid bleeding to death in Helmand some “gamer” is playing the TB and high-fiving his buddy after he takes out an American patrol.
The bigger story here is that even American Conservatives are losing sight of the war. When was the last time there was a thread about the war that generated even a passing interest here on Hot Air. We have men and women dying weekly in Afghanistan. Why, because the ROE remains as such that it benefits the enemy due to the extreme deference to the civilians there and this insane idea that Afghanistan could be won by a counter-insurgency strategy. One might think that would be a better topic of discussion than the nuances of the gaming industry.
And the commenter who used the analogy about OPFOR in training, that isn’t for entertainment and it’s being conducting by professional soldiers trying to help those they’re training with. Poor comparison if you ask me.
hawkdriver on August 15, 2010 at 8:01 AM
Just another story of, this offends me, and therefore must be band.
I played Gamma World, the best GM we had was Mike’s mother. But it was really annoying at the time when she would kill off a character that you were ‘really’ getting into.
Slowburn on August 15, 2010 at 8:18 AM
I wouldn’t advocate anything being banned. I just wonder about what motivates folks do what they do.
I was thinking about pitching this game to one of the big game software companies. You have two sides. One side is the US Military, (you can pick any branch to be) and the other side is World of Warcraft, gamer, couch-potato zombies that you have to try kill before they get to a level where they ride a unicorn or something. Extra points if you can scare them off the sofa and get them to do a little physical exercise. The climax comes when you get to level 27 and you wipe out a nasty nest of old geeks playing Dungeons and Dragons.
Good times! Do you think that game would be banned?
hawkdriver on August 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM
folks “to” do
hawkdriver on August 15, 2010 at 8:50 AM
We do still care about our soldiers. But you know as well as I do that we will never win with someone like Obama in charge. All that will happen is that people on both sides will die, and then we’ll leave. And then there will be a massive slaughter like there was in Cambodia, and in Viet Nam. And even worse destabilization for the entire area after that.
Without a CIC who is willing to crush the enemy, we can’t win. So bring them home.
Squiggy on August 15, 2010 at 10:03 AM
If things don’t change soon, I’m afraid I’d have to say I’m not far behind you in your opinion.
hawkdriver on August 15, 2010 at 10:11 AM
I’d buy that sucker.
MadisonConservative on August 15, 2010 at 11:12 AM
As someone who plays Call of Duty almost everyday….(sad, i know), i can tell you that who i am playing as is completely irrelevant and something i dont even pay attention too. Its players vs players. I hadnt really even thought about the fact that i was actually playing as “the bad guys” in some games until i read this post.
In all my hours of running and gunning in the virtual world, i have never…i mean never heard anyone making a political statement out of who they were portraying in the game.
Let this one go. Its a non issue that makes whoever is chasing it look like Tipper Gore at an anti rock music Senate hearing.
alecj on August 15, 2010 at 11:18 AM
This is why I can’t watch Fox news or TV news in general. Ugh. CONTEXT PEOPLE!!!! Just like that COD MW2 story about killing civilians last year they totally and completely ignore the context. Ugh.
I knew the guy who made Counterstrike. I worked with him on another mod called Action Q2. Ah, those were the days…
oddjob1138 on August 15, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Technically, those movies got the same kind of fuss this game is getting and from the same groups.
Plus, you weren’t harming her but just having sex with her, while partially clothed.
The women you hurt are the prostitutes you have sex with to get max health and then kill to get your money back.
Esthier on August 15, 2010 at 11:51 AM
The first Knights of the Old Republic could sorta qualify considering the character you play.
Yeah, but you are a Russian, specifically searching for payback. Considering you’re new to America, the only people you really have a grudge against are people from your former country. I really don’t even understand what you’re talking about.
Yes, you can only kill certain ethnic groups if you want, just like you can selectively snipe at cops, but that’s certainly not the point of the game.
Esthier on August 15, 2010 at 12:01 PM
I finally got curious and checked it out online, but when you have that little girl struggling in your arms (or in the second one, just looking at you trustingly – that one was even harder, especially the main plot), it’s just too sadistic for me to kill her.
Plus, it made me feel good to have them all like me later and bring me gifts.
Although the actual scene isn’t so bad. She just turns into a giant Adam slug, like the kind you see in “outside” in the second game, only larger.
That’s cute.
Esthier on August 15, 2010 at 12:05 PM
Wow…Gamma World. My favorite memory from that game was rolling to figure out ancient technology…I figured out a rifle in 1 safe roll, and my friend almost died to repeated failures trying to figure out what turned out to be a sewing machine.
James on August 15, 2010 at 12:06 PM
I wouldn’t be so sure. A friend of ours thought he was playing against me (she doesn’t have her own live account) and was getting hit by every car and chunk of cement my daughter was tossing at him (it was her turn to be the tank). My wife couldn’t help teasing him about it later, lol.
DrAllecon on August 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM
But, to be fair, it should be noted that there isn’t anything unique about this with regard to the prostitutes. I mean some people freak out about this as if GTA is essentially a simulator for killing prostitutes, but (a) you can kill anyone and get their cash and (b) the game never actually demands that you do so. It’s not like murdering prostitutes is a mission.
Kensington on August 15, 2010 at 12:44 PM
Actually, it’s not as easy as you might think, there is alot of extra programming that goes into it. Nonetheless, it HAS been done.
I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this before, but has anyone here ever played the Army Game? The one put out by the U.S. Army? No matter which “side” you pick in a multiplayer game, you ALWAYS play as the U.S. Army and the other team always looks like the Taliban/AlQuaeda/random bad guys. It’s kind of a neat trick, and ensures that no matter which team you pick, you always fight for the good guys.
The disadvantage is that the choice of weapons is always restricted to weapons that have very similar characteristics, making game play a tad bland at times. Of course the means that nobody has any ridiculously overpowered weapons and makes “balance” alot easier, but it occasionally breaks with realism when an AK-47 has nearly identical firing characteristics as an M-16.
Nonetheless, I would still like to see game designers do this more often.
wearyman on August 15, 2010 at 12:45 PM
True. I’ve known many people who used to start shooting random people just to see how many stars they can get. By the time the tanks drop though, it’s hard to keep going without using a cheat code.
That said, prostitutes are the only ones you’d kill to get your own money back, so there is more of an incentive to kill them, especially considering you have to go into a dark alley with them and are unlikely to attract police attention for doing so.
Esthier on August 15, 2010 at 2:02 PM
That’s really cool actually, but I can see how some would say it makes the moral relativist point perfectly in the one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist kind of way.
But it does get rid of the issue of having players kill US soldiers as our current enemy, which is going a bit too far for me personally.
Esthier on August 15, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Fox would probably be shocked, shocked to learn that in real life — real life, mind you — military intelligence is asked to “play” the enemy all the time in the war planning process. And the better intel does its job, the better organized and prepared our commanders are.
The best counter to war is the people’s natural preference for peace. You can’t make war less likely by assuming away all its ugliness or being shocked that it has an unsavory side.
J.E. Dyer on August 15, 2010 at 3:32 PM
I disagree. There would be very little extra programming required. The bulk of the programming exists. You would already have the information on how every character skins would look on you, and how every character skin would look on teammates or opponents. It’s just a matter of telling each person’s game to “show me as using this skin, teammates as using this skin, and show opponents as using this other skin.”
ynot4tony2 on August 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM
ynot4tony2 your only complaint is the appearance of the players in the game. What if the good guys had Russian flags on their arms instead of American, with everything else being the same. Would you be okay with it then? What if they had no flag at all?
It’s a multiplayer game. Both sides are exactly the same as far as gameplay is concerned, except for maybe the weapons they use. There’s no story. You’re not hiding in a bush waiting to detonate an IED while your buddies shout “Allahu Akbar”.
Political correctness, plain and simple.
Ortzinator on August 15, 2010 at 4:37 PM
lol and damn! You’re a hard guy to pick a fight with.
((BTW, an Easter Egg on level 25 (accessed by throwing a pocket protector out of the World of Warcraft, gamer, couch-potato zombie’s 4th story apartment window and getting him to jump after it) allows you to play a side game of hitting pop-up caricatures of MADCON. It plays a lot like Whack-A-Mole))
hawkdriver on August 15, 2010 at 5:08 PM
You know, a lot of people like to acclaim the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare games, but I was really irritated by the last one because, even though you start the game by killing terrorists, by the end the bad guys you’re killing are rogue American forces.
Kensington on August 15, 2010 at 5:22 PM
Games are international releases now. EA doesn’t release just in the USA, they release to like 30 nations.
The whole “oh yea lets kill every nationality of soldier in our games EXCEPT AMERICA” is kind of biased, no?
triple on August 15, 2010 at 5:59 PM
If it’s in the game, it’s in the game. You real gamers know what im talking bout.
triple on August 15, 2010 at 6:00 PM
Sure, as is my support for our real life troops, so I don’t really see your point there.
Esthier on August 15, 2010 at 8:19 PM
Well, bless her for being a Gold Star parent, but her silliness and ignorance are really off-putting.
I was in the (Banana) Republic of Panama, serving in the United States Army. When Operation Just Cause came around, it wasn’t widely reported that we were probably not just fighting Panamanians from the PDF (Panamanian Defense Force), but quite possibly the Cuban CTE (Comando Tropas Especiales; Cuban SOF jungle operations experts). They also didn’t report the Soviet and Red Chinese presence, either. If they make a game featuring Spetsnaz, CTE, ChiCom People’s Liberation Army Ground Force Flying Dragons, etc. trying to gun down American forces, especially MPs, as long as the MPs can effectively fight back (and mobilize forces such as the SRT, MPSOF), I’m not going to get bent out of shape about it. They made a game called Blackhawk Down, featuring the First Battle of Somalia, and there wasn’t that kind of whining and disingenuous bullcrap. Really, I don’t care what she says or thinks. If the Soldiers and Marines complain, then I have a problem with it. With her ignorant line of non-logic, Grand Theft Auto should be banned, because it features people being shot by criminals. People are shot and stabbed by criminals, daily, and it’s far too soon for people to see such a violent game. I heard that there are prostitutes and strippers. Parents of prostitutes and strippers could be very offended by a game featuring such characters, especially those murdered by car-thieving criminals. She shouldn’t've even been allowed on TV. Giving that ignorant woman a national platform only makes Gold Star Parents look like thin-skinned idiots, no better than that foul-mouthed, psychotic hypocrite Sheehan. It’s not about them, it’s not even really about their kids (the combatants); it’s about the conflict, itself. If real names are mentioned, sure, they need to be handled with respect, but how often does that happen in these games?
Virus-X on August 15, 2010 at 8:35 PM
I’m personally bothered by it, and speak for no one else but myself in this matter. I’ve made no demands, I’ve encouraged no boycotts…just offered an opinion and a potential work-around that would eliminate the controversy.
I just find the personalization of the people being killed unnecessary. My in-game bloodlust is typically satiated by killing anonymous henchmen working for a deadly enemy, soldiers in a futuristic war, terrorists, or fictional characters in cities that don’t even exist.
ynot4tony2 on August 15, 2010 at 8:45 PM
As a retired 20 year combat vet I will state this one time. Role playing your enemy teach you more about your enemy. There are multiple levels of intel. Would you guess how many soldiers play these games. We live in a free market society, if you do not like the game or want your children playing the game then DON’T BUY IT!
sargentj on August 15, 2010 at 8:53 PM
The only way to be outraged by this is to be ignorant of video games. The Fox story gives off the impression that killing American soldiers is somehow intrinsic to the game and its story. Ironic since the Medal of Honor series is one of the most pro-American, pro-troop, morally clear games out there.
While that’s not technically false, it essentially is. There is a HUGE contextual difference between single-player story, and multiplayer between gamer vs. gamer. The other team being the other main faction in the story is par for the course for as long as these types of games have existed.
Having said that, I can understand how it can hit close to home. I am not personally involved in the conflict, but in fact I’m a bit hesitant to buy Medal of Honor because of the troublesome reality hawkdriver accurately and poignantly described. That can be hard for me sometimes, but most people don’t even think about that, and the rest put it out of their minds and realize they are only playing a game.
For those critical, please consider this: the popularity of modern first-person shooters are, on the whole, very pro-American and far more pro-American than any other entertainment platform. The Army itself recognizes this, and develops FPS games in part for recruitment. So if anything, these games criticized are some of the few things in mainstream culture that do unabashedly support the troops, if not their mission.
jjraines on August 15, 2010 at 9:01 PM
gold star mom needs to stfu and lighten up
Dave Rywall on August 15, 2010 at 9:29 PM
I love how shes like “just cancel the game”. Yea. Lets cancel a multi-million dollar release, one of the cornerstones of EA’s lineup, which would ruin the lives of the hundreds of people who worked on that game, put them out of work, cost EA and its investors literally millions of dollars.. all because you got offended.
People don’t realize what goes into this stuff.
triple on August 16, 2010 at 1:59 AM
Dave, this is the worst thing you have ever posted here. I may have disagreed with nearly everything Cindy Sheehan said and did, but she gave a son to this war and has a right to say what she wants short of telling lies. This Gold Star Mom may be off base here but her kid died to give Americans the right to say what they will and live in freedom. Like your Canadian forces have given their lives over too.
If what she said offended you, take your own advise and just ignore her. You know that game would never be pulled off the shelves by any complaint she made anyway.
hawkdriver on August 16, 2010 at 5:36 AM
Funny. What about level 28 with the old geeks posting comments on blogs?
shick on August 16, 2010 at 6:50 AM
I know. Parenting is so hard.
Bcs you actually have to pay attention to & spend time with your kids.
And I have noticed that anything that’s too hard these days, most people give up/in & figure it’s no big deal.
Which is why we have the last several generations of people who have grown up into lazy ignorant whiners.
Badger40 on August 16, 2010 at 8:52 AM
No, it’s NOT that simple. It’s not just a matter of swapping skins, you also have to deal with weapon characteristics, audio modeling (US Soldiers don’t shout “Allahu-ackbar!” when attacking) and various other sundry details and do it in such a way that it neither breaks the suspension of disbelief of the players or unbalances the game.
I realize that from the lay perspective it may seem simple, but it isn’t. The code that the Army game uses to enable this is several thousand lines long, and was one of the major challenges for them when they were originally designing the game.
wearyman on August 16, 2010 at 9:17 AM
Its fantasy for goodness sakes. If they start flying planes into buildings….well…then thats another thing. Someone has to be the bad guy. Any kids play cops and robbers as a kid? Or pretend Army back before we had video games? This digital age is such a platform to control everyone and everything , I wish it had never come.
johnnyU on August 16, 2010 at 10:16 AM
I think this is one of those times where it is not so much obviously wrong as poorly timed and perhaps unnecessary.
That said, I won’t be playing it, simply because I’ve seen a few caskets come back belonging to families I know, and have several friends in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I worry that one day, I’m going to wake up and get an e-mail from their family that they’ve been KIA by one of those sub-human misogynist jihadi.
Is the game wrong to have the Taliban as a playable faction? Perhaps not. Is it in poor taste? Given the current war, probably. Should it be banned? I cannot say. I don’t like it, for my part, but I admit to having a damned short temper.
It’s just a little too close to home for some people. Freedom of expression needn’t be used to the hilt every time you get a chance. As the Federation President said in the Undiscovered Country, just because we can do a thing does not mean that we should do a thing.
KinleyArdal on August 16, 2010 at 12:11 PM
You first, Dave. She has no “moral authority” but as someone who sacrificed for this country, people care a hell of a lot more what she thinks than what you do, even if she’s completely wrong.
Esthier on August 16, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Hilarious! And then level 29 with young geeks with nothing better to do than to reply to old geeks on blogs.
hawkdriver on August 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM
No, that’s the wrong attitude — I can’t imagine being able to “lighten up” after having my child killed. She’s obviously reacting to this from a position of emotional pain, so show some compassion. However, I don’t think her stand will lead to much, though maybe EA Games will get pushed into donating to charities of surviving families, etc.
EasyEight on August 17, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Hopefully the game series’ supposed adherence to super-realism will force the Taliban player to stop dead five times a day and fall to their knees. “WFT! Another effen call to prayer?!”
curved space on August 18, 2010 at 7:19 AM
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