Obama on the Ground Zero mosque: Sounds like a plan

posted at 9:46 pm on August 13, 2010 by Allahpundit

C’mon, did anyone expect differently? Would you have expected differently from Bush? He’s playing to a global audience so he took it as an opportunity to reiterate the “Islam vs. radical Islam” distinction. Domestic sensitivities are secondary. Besides, the left has invested so much energy over the past month patting itself on the back for its moral superiority that they’d have wigged out if he had sided against them here. He can deny them a public option, but god help him if he denies them a Teachable Moment at the wingnuts’ expense.

So what’s a poll-readin’ president to do? On the one hand, he’s at a Ramadan dinner and doesn’t want to alienate either the audience or his base. On the other hand, he’s staring at supermajority opposition to the mosque. Hey, I know: How about a statement that mostly dodges the question of whether it should be built in favor of the easier question of whether the owners have the right to build it? Not a Bloombergian lecture, in other words (unlike Bloomberg, Obama’s not a lame duck and thus can’t afford to wag his finger like The Enlightened so enjoy doing), but rather a pat on the back for free exercise and a pat on the back for the mosque’s opponents by acknowledging their “emotions.” He’s basically voting present. But since the media is pro-mosque too and eager to leverage authority on behalf of its position, this’ll be spun tomorrow as some sort of stirring statement in defense of the right to … alienate everyone around you, I guess, in the ostensible interests of “dialogue.”

Recently, attention has been focused on the construction of mosques in certain communities – particularly in New York. Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan. The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. The pain and suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground.

But let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our Founders must endure.

We must never forget those who we lost so tragically on 9/11, and we must always honor those who have led our response to that attack – from the firefighters who charged up smoke-filled staircases, to our troops who are serving in Afghanistan today. And let us always remember who we are fighting against, and what we are fighting for. Our enemies respect no freedom of religion. Al Qaeda’s cause is not Islam – it is a gross distortion of Islam. These are not religious leaders – these are terrorists who murder innocent men, women and children. In fact, al Qaeda has killed more Muslims than people of any other religion – and that list of victims includes innocent Muslims who were killed on 9/11.

That is who we are fighting against. And the reason that we will win this fight is not simply the strength of our arms – it is the strength of our values. The democracy that we uphold. The freedoms that we cherish. The laws that we apply without regard to race or religion; wealth or status. Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect to those who are different from us – a way of life that stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today.

Note to The One: Your leftist pals emphatically do not respect “the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan.” Respecting sensitivities would involve, at a minimum, not shrieking “bigot” — literally shrieking it in some cases — at everyone who says a word in protest of the development. But since he’s been grand enough to acknowledge that the “emotions” surrounding Ground Zero are legitimate, here’s a question: What exactly does that mean for the Park51 group in practice? Clearly it doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t build on the site if they want to, but does it mean … they should consider moving to another site? Does it mean they should maybe knock off the insanely hypocritical fingerpointing about not respecting other people’s sensibilities? One of the core issues in all this is the extent to which cultural sensitivities should and shouldn’t be observed in the interest of harmonious co-existence. (That’s the point of Gutfeld’s gay bar idea, of course.) The “bigot!” crowd on the left manages to duck that dilemma by insisting that those who oppose the mosque basically aren’t fit for civil society and shouldn’t have their concerns factored into the “co-existence” equation in the first place. Obama apparently disagrees, but as I say, I’m not sure what that means in practice. Just words, maybe?

Speaking of Gutfeld, he says he invited Park51′s spokesman to come on “Red Eye” to chat about all this — and got no reply. (Audio here.) So much for dialogue.

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For the upteenth time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my president….

lovingmyUSA on August 14, 2010 at 1:56 AM

btw, where are the photos/videos of this warm and wonderful Ramadan Dinner?

Held at the WH, on our dime, AGAIN, I would like to see, hear and know ALL about it. Let’s start with the guest list, shall we???

tigerlily on August 14, 2010 at 1:57 AM

There are still mosques in the United States, after nine years?

Kralizec on August 14, 2010 at 1:50 AM

I would venture to guess that there are probably more now than then, and now protected by the seemingly impervious shield of Political Correctness, as asinine as the thought may seem.

In other words, WTF is up with that?

Ironic, in a tragic sort of way.

hillbillyjim on August 14, 2010 at 2:00 AM

btw, where are the photos/videos of this warm and wonderful Ramadan Dinner?

Held at the WH, on our dime, AGAIN, I would like to see, hear and know ALL about it. Let’s start with the guest list, shall we???

tigerlily on August 14, 2010 at 1:57 AM

This seems to be all “the most transparent WH evah ” will allow to get out
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/08/201081422058404426.html

macncheez on August 14, 2010 at 2:06 AM

Seriously now, it seems the Americans would do well to reconsider the meaning of the Establishment Clause. I understand it was intended to limit the Congress, so the States would be free to establish State Churches. So we’ll just let each of the fifty States decide whether they want to be a Sanctuary State for the Sura 9:5 crowd.

Kralizec on August 14, 2010 at 2:09 AM

I could have summarized all of my thoughts earlier and saved HA the bandwidth:

Son of a Bitch! Did he really say that?

Son of a Bitch! He did, didn’t he?

Son of a …

______________

Nothing left to say.

hillbillyjim on August 14, 2010 at 2:11 AM

This seems to be all “the most transparent WH evah ” will allow to get out

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/08/201081422058404426.html

macncheez on August 14, 2010 at 2:06 AM

Am I reading correctly that the link above is from aljazeera? Where is the U.S. press on this?

Also, from the same link, this, the only reference to the guest list, is completely anonymous:

“over 100 guests at Friday’s dinner included ambassadors and officials from numerous Muslim nations, including Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.”

We are at war on two fronts with radical Islam, and I want to know who is in the WH, both as guests and govt. appointments. But that’s like saying I want to be 12 again.
Never will happen. He has to go.

tigerlily on August 14, 2010 at 2:18 AM

If anyone’s still here – ‘nite.

tigerlily on August 14, 2010 at 2:30 AM

“over 100 guests at Friday’s dinner included ambassadors and officials from numerous Muslim nations, including Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.”

He must have been in hog heaven.

Well, I guess not hog . . . but anyway.

Alana on August 14, 2010 at 2:39 AM

And they say violence never solves anything…seems to work pretty fcking well for certain followers of certain “religions”.

ClassicCon on August 14, 2010 at 2:17 AM

Mexican drug gangs have adopted decapitation and videotaped executions as techniques for terrorizing members of other gangs, the police, the army, and would-be informants. I haven’t heard of anyone giving a muslim the business end of the scimitar yet, but it’s not for lack of good examples.

Kralizec on August 14, 2010 at 2:59 AM

Well I guess Obie decided he only needed to be President for one term..

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 4:04 AM

C’mon, did anyone expect differently?

YES

AP – Fri Aug 13, 11:28 pm ET
WASHINGTON –President Barack Obama on Friday forcefully endorsed allowing a mosque near ground zero, saying the country’s founding principles demanded no less.

This guy Obama acts like Royalty more and more each day. The President of the United States has absolutely no authority to quote,” forcefully endorsed” any church to be built. The country’s founding principles demanded no less. It’s called separation of church and state. This is what one would expect form Pharaohs, Emperors, and Kings of an age gone by.
The only branch of Government that has any authority to weigh in on the matter, (if referred) is the Judicial Branch, and they decide the Constitutional bounds.
I would expect a Constitutional scholar to know that.

BDU-33 on August 14, 2010 at 4:26 AM

Bush would have said basically the same thing, guys.

I don’t think so.
And he certainly wouldn’t have done it a big deal Muslim dinner at the White House!

Jenfidel on August 14, 2010 at 12:39 AM

Sometimes Allah makes me think of the story about the guy trying to sell a dead cow.

Tav on August 14, 2010 at 4:52 AM

This guy Obama acts like Royalty more and more each day. The President of the United States has absolutely no authority to quote,” forcefully endorsed” any church to be built. The country’s founding principles demanded no less. It’s called separation of church and state. This is what one would expect form Pharaohs, Emperors, and Kings of an age gone by.

BDU-33 on August 14, 2010 at 4:26 AM

Wow. The “separation of church and state” totally slipped my mind because I was so upset, but you’re absolutely right!
Maobama’s pronouncement about the GZ mosque comes within a hair’s breadth of being a state endorsement of a religion which is expressly forbidden by the Constitution!
Can we impeach him yet?

Jenfidel on August 14, 2010 at 5:01 AM

Well I guess Obie decided he only needed to be President for one term..

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 4:04 AM

His masters always knew he would only be useful for 4 years, thats why he is in such a hurry to do as much harm as he can. His second term and the rest of the damage will be done by Hillary…the media has already started the narrative to build up Hussain’s second term in Hillary.

macncheez on August 14, 2010 at 5:41 AM

What I don’t get with this tolerance and ignorance thing, is that it always seems to be one way.

I remember, once getting into a row with a Muslim guy I was working with. I had good relations with him except he kept making offensive inappropriately sexual sexist remarks to me. I told him several times politely and nicely (I liked the guy) to stop. He took no notice. In the end I gave him my middle finger. He went balistic, went on about “respect for other cultures”. I told him that respect went both ways, and that in my culture men did not behave that way to women, that if they did, women retaliated, or took them to court.

Actually that shut him up.

Ask yourself, why would you want to build a Mosque at ground Zero? What would be the point? And call it “Cordoba”.

In the extracts above, there’s a link to a programme on “useful idiots”. Obama is a useful idiot.

Hope on August 14, 2010 at 5:53 AM

That’s it!

Obama just spit in the face of the family of every person who died on 9/11!

Let November 2010 come, when we can finally take the power out of this inconsiderate b**tard’s hands!

And then let November 2012 come, when we can finally throw him out of office.

Unless the Congress impeaches him! Whatever comes first!

You b**tard, Obama! Damn you!

pilamaye on August 14, 2010 at 5:57 AM

unlike Bloomberg, Obama’s not a lame duck

Barry is a lame duck too; he just doesn’t know it yet. But voters will make his status increasingly clear in coming months, despite the best efforts of Barry’s cheerleaders in the MSM.

AZCoyote on August 14, 2010 at 5:57 AM

Obama is a useful idiot.

Hope on August 14, 2010 at 5:53 AM

+1..:)

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 5:58 AM

His masters always knew he would only be useful for 4 years, thats why he is in such a hurry to do as much harm as he can. His second term and the rest of the damage will be done by Hillary…the media has already started the narrative to build up Hussain’s second term in Hillary.

macncheez on August 14, 2010 at 5:41 AM

There will be no term for Hillary.. She can’t pour pee out of a boot with the directions written on the heel..:)

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 6:00 AM

The media has already started the narrative to build up Hussain’s second term in Hillary.

macncheez on August 14, 2010 at 5:41 AM

Put a fork in Hillary–she’s done.

No one associated with the Maobama Regime is going to escape unscathed from the wrath of the American people, especially her!
And they won’t put her up because to do so would be admitting that Obama was a mistake and while he is, party machine Democrats will never admit it…although I felt Democrat voters leaving the Democrat party in droves after this mosque endorsement.

Jenfidel on August 14, 2010 at 6:11 AM

There will be no term for Hillary.. She can’t pour pee out of a boot with the directions written on the heel..:)

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 6:00 AM

She is already been painted as some patriotic moderate centrist hardworking international woman , and when the resentment and turmoil will reach its prime, the kneepads media will prop her up so sweetly as a healer that stupids will fall for it. Count on it, we have too many stupids. Some will vote for her because she is a woman. Some will vote for her because she is alinskyite. The rest will vote for her because she is a democrat. Illegals will vote for her with or without amnesty . She will get the stupid vote.
The LSM hasn’t started marketing Hillary yet .

macncheez on August 14, 2010 at 6:12 AM

macncheez on August 14, 2010 at 6:12 AM

Well she had better break away from Obie’s Administration soon because they are taking on water faster than the Titanic and the lifeboats will fill quickly..:)

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 6:17 AM

I still can’t believe Obie said this .. The Folks will not forget this..It is becoming painfully obvious that the White House is in full panic mode..

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 6:19 AM

Well she had better break away from Obie’s Administration soon because they are taking on water faster than the Titanic and the lifeboats will fill quickly..:)

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 6:17 AM

She doesn’t have to break away from Hussain. She is a terrorist appeasing marxist alinsyite , just like Hussain. She is like Hussain’s siamese twin, politically and ideologically.
Wait until 2010 elections are over and watch the kneepads media paint her as some kind of paragon of virtue and wisdom who is having a falling out with Hussain. Bill Clinton will do anything to get back in the oral office and the media will oblige.

macncheez on August 14, 2010 at 6:25 AM

C’mon, did anyone expect differently? Would you have expected differently from Bush?

Well yes, I would have. But then Bush is a man and Obama is a preachy little weener.

And so what if Bush had some freaking Ramadan dinner? That is a different thing altogether. Reagan met with the Soviet Premier too, that did not make him a commie. After all, he was Reagan and we knew how he felt about communism. And we know that Bush stood at ground zero with that bull horn. All we know from Obama is that he really does not much seem to like us Americans.

Terrye on August 14, 2010 at 6:54 AM

America’s Suicide Obama strikes again.

RandyChandler on August 14, 2010 at 6:57 AM

I hope the GOP is using this stuff in ads.

gdonovan on August 14, 2010 at 7:07 AM

Who’s up for building a new synagogue right next door…and maybe a Christian center on the other side? Great big Star of David on the facade of the first, and a huge lighted cross on the facade of the other….and then wait how long it takes for the howls of protest to be heard from the Moslem community?

coldwarrior on August 14, 2010 at 7:21 AM

If the supporters of this mosque really think it will be some type of bridge building they are grossly mistaken. This has fueled more anti-Islam feeling than before. Little good can come of this.

katiejane on August 14, 2010 at 7:24 AM

Just what have Muslims contributed to the US besides stark terror and hatred??????

chai on August 14, 2010 at 6:57 AM

Helen Thomas? (Oh, wait, that stark terror and hatred thingie.)

OK…Bobby Rahal…was pretty good back in the day in NASCAR.

Gimme a few minutes…maybe days…to come up with some more. /s

coldwarrior on August 14, 2010 at 7:25 AM

Freedom of religion is a right, the exercise of that freedom is where discretion is required. Obviously this is poor judgement and indiscretion more akin to hate speech and pornography than “freedom of religion.”

We don’t put prono stores next to schools
We don’t put churches in mecca
We don’t put mosques at ground zero

to do so would be only to harm those involved….it is meant to hurt, this is fundamentally wrong and the president is, once again, putting a huge crap sandwich in front of the American people and forcing them to eat it.

Sorry champ, not again.

ted c on August 14, 2010 at 7:40 AM

If we still had Christians practicing inquisitions in some other country but peaceful or more “moderate” Christians here, would the left have the same view point? No. They would be calling for an end to all Christianity and a movement towards secularism.

Notice how most of the Muslim faith hasn’t really called for an end to Jihad or radical Islam either. To this day, they still practice unthinkable tortures and violations of humanitarian rights.

I’m sure in some sick way, Muslims weren’t all that upset about some of their own innocent faith being lost on 9/11 but view it as some supreme sacrifice for Allah.

I’m sorry, but I feel perfectly comfortable generalizing on this topic.

gatorfanatic on August 14, 2010 at 7:49 AM

BHO just can’t keep his fat trap shut for nothing. OF COURSE he’s for the jihadist mosque towering over ground zero. He refuses to recognize the evil violence resulting from self righteous “jihad” exploited by PIJ existence. Obama OWES Islam big time for funding his ’08 campaign.

If he understood how to be compassionate, he would have stepped clear of this. But he just had to step right into the pile of sh!t, compelled to drive in those nails to wound the victims of 9/11 afresh.

The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. The pain and suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground.

But let me be clear:

BHO

“I understand the unimaginable.”–the self anointed one

If I hear “but let me be clear” one more time, Alice, one more time … one of these days … Pow! Right in the kisser! One of these days Alice, straight to the Moon!

No wonder Obama stripped NASA of moon exploration.

maverick muse on August 14, 2010 at 7:56 AM

gatorfanatic on August 14, 2010 at 7:49 AM

When Muslims kill other Muslims, whether honor killing of mothers and daughters, or feuding tribe against tribe or sect against sect, bombing pilgrimages to mosques and holy sites, have they a distinction or is it all “jihad” killings, as with destroying their great American satan?

maverick muse on August 14, 2010 at 8:01 AM

I’ve come to the conclusion he wants us angry. He’s trying to provoke us into being everything he and Rev. Wright have always believed us to be. There is no other logical explanation.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:01 AM

We are headed for some dark times..

Viper1 on August 14, 2010 at 8:02 AM

“Islam vs. radical Islam” distinction

Kinda like the distinction between “Water vs. Wet”

Read the Quran!

roflmao

donabernathy on August 14, 2010 at 8:03 AM

ted c on August 14, 2010 at 7:40 AM

And if Christian founded civilization sends humanitarian aid to Islam, volunteer medical doctors and medics w/o borders are murdered, this month in Afghanistan, though cash funds are “accepted”.

maverick muse on August 14, 2010 at 8:04 AM

I sure hope people know what Islam does to the infidels … And it sure isn’t apply the Golden Rule.

I have to ask, who does our president think he is talking to?

tarpon on August 14, 2010 at 8:08 AM

RE: maverick muse

If I hear “but let me be clear” one more time, Alice, one more time … one of these days …

That phrase,along with “Make no mistake” really grate on me.

I am so thoroughly sick of Glorious Leader’s voice that I have to mute or change the channel every time he recites his stupid speeches. How anyone considers him an inspiring speaker is beyond me.

Logic on August 14, 2010 at 8:18 AM

Where do we go to buy shares in Gutfeld’s gay bar?

We could name it the Al Jizzeeria, or just Al Jizzum.

petefrt on August 14, 2010 at 8:19 AM

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:01 AM

Expectations. Yes, we all have them.

Obama is intent to nudge and shove our nation over the edge down to AMARXICA. That is what I expect given his track record.

We can only EXPECT to get something from effective demands that we make on all of our government. Certainly, the squeaky wheel gets to oil, and in this administration, ONLY squeaky wheels get any oil. The rest is dumped in the Gulf.

America can reasonably object that this mosque’s imam/cohorts involved have not been, and will not be by this administration’s DHS, inspected and either deported or prosecuted for alliances with violence against Americans.

maverick muse on August 14, 2010 at 8:22 AM

And a Porky’s Barbeque place on the other side, with sidewalk deli ham sandwich carts parked in front.

DrMagnolias on August 14, 2010 at 8:09 AM

Definitely. Tolerance for goose; tolerance for gander.

petefrt on August 14, 2010 at 8:24 AM

Upon the graves of Americans, Obama is building a mosque.
62 Muslim Americans too. Or don’t they count?

Grow Fins on August 14, 2010 at 12:20 AM

Sorry, sport, but we do not hyphenate our fellow citizens in order to soften the blow to our nation. Americans were murdered in this Islamic act of aggression. Period.

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2010 at 8:25 AM

petefrt on August 14, 2010 at 8:19 AM

I’ll buy some shares..but I like the original name Suspicious Packages.

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 8:26 AM

Logic on August 14, 2010 at 8:18 AM

I made it through his SOTU but never again.

Obama’s warped and scratched, a broken recording. Whether from the teleprompter or impromptu, it all sounds UGLY. He is truly transparent, a thorough Marxist who hates all things traditionally American, specifically our Constitutional Republic and rule of law holding ALL equal to comply or be prosecuted.

I won’t accept regurgitation from anyone, particularly from those who truly hate and destroy me and all that I hold dear.

maverick muse on August 14, 2010 at 8:30 AM

maverick muse on August 14, 2010 at 8:22 AM

I don’t know, you are probably right but I just have the feeling that he purposefully finds what the majority thinks then sticks his finger in their eye. Take the numerous examples of attaching violence to tea parties where none has existed. Or the media takes every crazed act of violence and tries to attach the tea party to it. The Gulf wasn’t hit hard enough with the spill, he issues a moratorium that experts said was unnecessary. Instead of helping border states, he sues them. This is not how a person who wants the good will of the American people acts.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:31 AM

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 8:26 AM

Yep, Suspicious Packages gets five stars!

Do you have a good name for the barbecue joint?

petefrt on August 14, 2010 at 8:34 AM

Like allowing the Mexican government to build a Mexican cultural center next to the Alamo in 1863.

Like allowing the Japanese to build a Japanese cultural center and memorial at Pearl Harbor after the bombing in 1942.

albill on August 14, 2010 at 8:34 AM

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:31 AM

The sad fact is, dear, Americans do not seem to be the people that the president cares about. Judging from his actions, we are nothing but the great unwashed masses waiting to be turned into the Proletariat by Obama and his pseudo-intellectual Elite. This is disgraceful.

kingsjester on August 14, 2010 at 8:36 AM

This really is a New York matter. Whatever protest the citizens in NY are making is not effective.

Americans across the nation are outraged that the Islamic developers chose that location, and that the imam is not being held accountable for his own hate speech against Americans and his alliance with Islamic terrorists.

But the “we will never forget” New York outrage just isn’t making headlines, no doubt being drowned by the MSM pro-Islamic mantra of “peace” through subjugation. Just accept your master, Obama, and do as you are told.

I ask for so little. Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave.

maverick muse on August 14, 2010 at 8:38 AM

Do you have a good name for the barbecue joint?

petefrt on August 14, 2010 at 8:34 AM

Porky’s or Slabhouse Grill..:)

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 8:40 AM

As I noted before we need a countdown clock to November 2, 2010. If we meet that goal, on to 2012.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:43 AM

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:31 AM

I was reluctant to think he intentionally sticks his finger in our eyes too, but as you say, the conclusion has become almost unavoidable.

Why would he do it? I guess because it’s the Alinsky method for getting your way with people. It’s the community organizer approach to leadership. (And lashing out at his critics comes so naturally to him.)

petefrt on August 14, 2010 at 8:43 AM

Hey didn’t toolbag Gibbs come out and say this is an NYC matter? thought he did that last week or something. If that’s the case, then why is Stimpy the TOTUS reader weighing in on it. If it’s an NYC matter, then the WH already issued its position, and now, its a national issue.

The Stimpster just threw his mouthpiece under the bus.

ted c on August 14, 2010 at 8:44 AM

ted c on August 14, 2010 at 8:44 AM

Stimpy the TOTUS reader..That is a classic..:)

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 8:46 AM

Obama’s remarks fall into his classic straw man argument. No one is arguing that they have no right to build the mosque near ground zero. The question before the president was: Is it a good thing to do? And the answer, of course, is no. It is a deliberate provocation, meant to be a symbol of power and impending authority. To use the president’s words, it is a gross distortion of our tolerance and our basic decency. Every single person following this story — left and right — knows exactly why this site was chosen, and it isn’t out of goodwill. President Obama is a coward for framing the question as being one of legal rights, rather than fundamental decency and American notions of being a good neighbor. That is where the argument lies. Pretending otherwise is simply insulting.

And, yes, I would have expected something different from Bush. He may well have argued for religious “freedom,” too, but I believe he would have said something about this not being a good thing for the families who suffered so much that day. He would have acknowledged the deliberate provocation.

Rational Thought on August 14, 2010 at 8:47 AM

Why would he do it? I guess because it’s the Alinsky method for getting your way with people. It’s the community organizer approach to leadership. (And lashing out at his critics comes so naturally to him.)

petefrt on August 14, 2010 at 8:43 AM

Why? I think he thrives on forcefeeding the people crap sandwiches AND he’s trying to Alinsky us by “making us live up to our own rules” by using the “freedom of religion” card. STimpy’s argument is incomplete though, as this is not a freedom of religion issue, its the unstated and judicious use of the exercise of that right that is in question. Larry Flynt has a right to publish Penthouse, but the exercise of that right is probably in question if he’s sitting next to the president’s kids in school and showing them the pictures.

ted c on August 14, 2010 at 8:47 AM

kingsjester on August 14, 2010 at 8:36 AM

I hope November does the trick.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:49 AM

I’m putting this baby to bed: Dubya would not have been for this and therefore it would NOT have been built under his watch..:)

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 8:51 AM

I will believe that Islam is a religion of peace when as many muslims gather in the streets to condem the next terrorist attack as gather to celebrate it. I’m not holding my breath.

tommyboy on August 14, 2010 at 8:52 AM

The sad fact is, dear, Americans do not seem to be the people that the president cares about. Judging from his actions, we are nothing but the great unwashed masses waiting to be turned into the Proletariat by Obama and his pseudo-intellectual Elite. This is disgraceful.

kingsjester on August 14, 2010 at 8:36 AM

we are nothing more than a neck to step upon, a crowd to fly over, a faceless mass of taxpayers that fund the aircraft he rides in, the helicopter he jaunts in, the motorcade that he parts the sea of people while riding in, and ultimately, the group that will be used up like a wad of toilet paper and treated in the same fashion. He owes us nothing, we owe him everything—our love, adulation, hosannas, and ….our obedient silence….

say it ain’t so.

ted c on August 14, 2010 at 8:53 AM

Rational Thought on August 14, 2010 at 8:47 AM

In my imagination world, W would use his much reviled “friendship” with the Saudis to have this things squashed. No fanfare, no bravado, just end of discussion and we all move on. Oh, and in my imaginary world, I also win a big lottery.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:53 AM

I’m confused. How can BHO be a Muslim, Christian, and an atheist at the same time?
/sarc off

Nalea on August 14, 2010 at 8:53 AM

Oh, and in my imaginary world, I also win a big lottery.
Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:53 AM

Wow, can I ride in your imaginary Ferrari?

tommyboy on August 14, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Wow. The “separation of church and state” totally slipped my mind because I was so upset, but you’re absolutely right!
Maobama’s pronouncement about the GZ mosque comes within a hair’s breadth of being a state endorsement of a religion which is expressly forbidden by the Constitution!
Can we impeach him yet?

Jenfidel on August 14, 2010 at 5:01 AM

The fact that the State Department has given the okay and assured the funding for Imam Rauf to raise funds for this abomination also crosses the line re state-sanctioned religion.

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2010 at 8:56 AM

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 8:52 AM

I’m still shaving my legs and underarms.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:57 AM

I’m still shaving my legs and underarms.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:57 AM

LOL!..:)

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 8:58 AM

tommyboy on August 14, 2010 at 8:55 AM

You may ride in my Ford Flex. I am still a boring conservative, no matter how much money I have.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:58 AM

Who’s up for building a new synagogue right next door…and maybe a Christian center on the other side? Great big Star of David on the facade of the first, and a huge lighted cross on the facade of the other….and then wait how long it takes for the howls of protest to be heard from the Moslem community?

coldwarrior on August 14, 2010 at 7:21 AM

Believe it! And no one in our State Department or in the WH would be giving the funding for fundraising travel or the okay for either of those edifices.

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 8:58 AM

That would be my imaginary Ford Flex.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 9:07 AM

it’s 9:11 on Saturday….where is my country…?

ted c on August 14, 2010 at 9:11 AM

That would be my imaginary Ford Flex.

Yeah, but if you imagine a Ferrari you keep four imaginary mechanics employed full time. Now THAT’s doing your patriotic duty.

tommyboy on August 14, 2010 at 9:12 AM

Hmmmm.

Ok here is a question for all of you out there in Hot Air land:

Obama was supposed to be this incredibly devout Christian who routinely sat in the pews of that idiotic church in Chicago for 20+ years.

So. When was the last time Obama was caught in a church during Sunday services?

memomachine on August 14, 2010 at 9:17 AM

He can deny them a public option, but god help him if he denies them a Teachable Moment at the wingnuts’ expense.

Allahpundit, the intellectual & philosophical arguments for your religion of atheism would be easier to listen to if you didn’t insist on childish slights like neglecting the capitalization of the word God.

itsnotaboutme on August 14, 2010 at 9:18 AM

Just what have Muslims contributed to the US besides stark terror and hatred??????

chai on August 14, 2010 at 6:57 AM

Helen Thomas? (Oh, wait, that stark terror and hatred thingie.)

OK…Bobby Rahal…was pretty good back in the day in NASCAR.

Gimme a few minutes…maybe days…to come up with some more. /s

coldwarrior on August 14, 2010 at 7:25 AM

As a former NASCAR fan ‘back in the day’, I am righteously iindignant that you would identify Bobby Rahal’s career as having been in NASCAR. Indignant, I say! Harrumph, grumble, mumble, (insert any other sounds that you can think of that are associated with indignation, HERE)

Bobby Rahal’s career was in USAC AND CART Indy cars.
He did drive in at least one NASCAR race that I remember;
I believe it was at Talladega.

As for Helen Thomas, yeah, they can pretty much have her back (would they take her?!!!).

List of Muslims who have contributed to the greatness of the United States?
Reminds me of that Billy Preston song.

Nothing from nothing leaves nothing . . .

listens2glenn on August 14, 2010 at 9:19 AM

memomachine on August 14, 2010 at 9:17 AM

It would interfere with his golf and vacations. People don’t talk much about it but it has to lurk in the back of their mind. Especially when you add all of the other crazy stuff he does.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 9:20 AM

tommyboy on August 14, 2010 at 9:12 AM

Men and their cars.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 9:22 AM

listens2glenn on August 14, 2010 at 9:19 AM

I would agree. Bobby Rahal was NOT a NASCAR driver. He may have raced in the IROC series a couple times, but he wasn’t in NASCAR.

ted c on August 14, 2010 at 9:23 AM

When was the last time Obama was caught in a church during Sunday services?

memomachine on August 14, 2010 at 9:17 AM

the last time he needed to pander to those there for some votes…..

jus sayin..

ted c on August 14, 2010 at 9:24 AM

I would agree. Bobby Rahal was NOT a NASCAR driver. He may have raced in the IROC series a couple times, but he wasn’t in NASCAR.

Yep, Rahal was a much better driver than an NASCAR driver. He was an open wheel driver which requires much more skill.

tommyboy on August 14, 2010 at 9:24 AM

ted c on August 14, 2010 at 8:47 AM

Yup, and as Rational Thought on August 14, 2010 at 8:47 AM said, it’s his classic straw man argument:

President Obama is a coward for framing the question as being one of legal rights, rather than fundamental decency and American notions of being a good neighbor. That is where the argument lies. Pretending otherwise is simply insulting.

petefrt on August 14, 2010 at 9:27 AM

I believe in property rights. Having said that, I also believe the owners have to take into consideration the sensibilities of his neighbors. I might love to have a hog pen, in fact we did when I was a kid, and I may be legally entitled to it through zoning laws, but my neighbors would not care for it, especially when the wind changes. So somewhere I have to take my neighbors into consideration. NO MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO!

abcurtis on August 14, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Here is something disturbing. We taxpayers are on the hook to AIG which practices sharia compliant finance. Investments in the company are overseen so that they do not support businesses that are haram; ie, forbidden. Earning interest is not permitted. Instead the “profit” must be directed toward charities. In Islam, the charities must be Muslim.

Andy McCarthy goes into detail and explains better than I, but we are being destroyed from within through the impostion of sharia.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243717/american-taxpayer-financial-jihadist-andrew-c-mccarthy

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2010 at 9:39 AM

Yep, Rahal was a much better driver than an NASCAR driver. He was an open wheel driver which requires much more skill.

tommyboy on August 14, 2010 at 9:24 AM

The only point you can get me to concede on that is that ‘open wheel’ cars aren’t so forgiving when it comes to ‘bumping & rubbing’.

Other than that, the skills the same.

And Bobby Rahal was a great driver.

listens2glenn on August 14, 2010 at 9:41 AM

I guarantee you this – Gutfueld will never, ever get a permit to build his bar, never. Not from a Bloomberg government.

abcurtis on August 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM

I know. They should start a Homeowners Association at Ground Zero. Rule number one, no mosque zone.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM

abcurtis on August 14, 2010 at 9:35 AM

Stop making sense or else trolls will label you extreme.

darwin on August 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Just saw on FoxNews that Dumbo and Antoinette are on their way to Florida for the day. Of course Florida – not red red Mississippi or Alabama or Louisiana. Anyway, will be curious if Crist hangs all over his guy this time.

Marcus on August 14, 2010 at 9:48 AM

That church in Chicago is under the same satanic influence that the entirety of mohammedianism is.

No wonder Obama is seeking it out.

Inanemergencydial on August 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM

I don’t know about that, but I do think Obama’s attendance at TUCC was a charade designed to give him some street cred on the South Side of Chicago. All the black pols go to church there. I don’t think he paid attention to anything that was said there. Rev. Wright never said anything Obama din’t already believe, whether about the Jews or white people or America in general.

rockmom on August 14, 2010 at 9:50 AM

Other than that, the skills the same

dozens of Indycar drivers have made the move to NASCAR and dominated. No NASCAR driver has even been able to qualify for the Indy 500 although many have tried. Davy Allison came close, but couldn’t make the show. That tells you all you need to know.

tommyboy on August 14, 2010 at 9:56 AM

For hope and contrast this morning:
“When the Lord calls me home, whenever that may be, I will leave with the greatest love for this country of ours and eternal optimism for its future. I now begin the journey that will lead me into the sunset of my life. I know that for America there will always be a bright dawn ahead.”

- Ronald Reagan, Reagan’s Goodbye Letter, Nov. 5, 1994

publiuspen on August 14, 2010 at 9:58 AM

What a lame ass our boy wonder class president is. He took the “if it’s not illegal I approve” angle.

Really Right on August 14, 2010 at 9:58 AM

This really is a New York matter….
maverick muse on August 14, 2010 at 8:38 AM

Even if the rest of the country does not identify with this issue – do not believe that the rest of us on the East coast – NJ, Conn, PA, who lost friends and loved ones on 9/11 see this as just a New York matter.

katiejane on August 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM

tommyboy on August 14, 2010 at 9:56 AM

I’m going to defend the NASCAR drivers.. It is different..Just ask Danica Patrick?..Franchitti was a bust in NASCAR..Almindinger is barely hanging on..Why did Stewart and Gordon leave Indy Series to go to NASCAR? ..just IMHO..:)

Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Immolate on August 14, 2010 at 9:55 AM

Check out the link that I posted at 9:39 AM. Your questions re insurance will be addressed. AIG has a sharia finance component.

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2010 at 10:04 AM

I’m going to defend the NASCAR drivers.. It is different..Just ask Danica Patrick?..Franchitti was a bust in NASCAR..Almindinger is barely hanging on..Why did Stewart and Gordon leave Indy Series to go to NASCAR? ..just IMHO..:)
Dire Straits on August 14, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Gordon and Stewart went over to the NASCAR taxis because that’s where the money is now. Just like WWF pays a lot better than real wrestling. Andretti, Foyt, Richmond, Vukovitch, Stewart, Gordon, and many others have gone from open wheel to NASCAR and dominated. Some have been competitive but didn’t dominate. NO NASCAR driver has ever even qualified for Indy. Case closed.

tommyboy on August 14, 2010 at 10:08 AM

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