Muslim columnists: Yes, the Ground Zero mosque is a deliberate provocation

posted at 11:36 am on August 9, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

What’s more, Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah wrote in the Ottawa Citizen this weekend, no one can really deny the motivations of its sponsors.  New York City already has 30 mosques, so it hardly requires one at the place where Muslim extremists murdered almost 3,000 people — including a number of Muslims.  Raza and Fatah wonder how the organizers would react to a Serbian Orthodox church on the ground where 8,000 Muslims got slaughtered in Srebrenica, and whether they would be defending property rights and the freedom of religious expression in that case.

But mostly, the two authors wonder where the mosque’s sponsors got their money:

There are many questions that we would like to ask. Questions about where the funding is coming from? If this mosque is being funded by Saudi sources, then it is an even bigger slap in the face of Americans, as nine of the jihadis in the Twin Tower calamity were Saudis.

If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not. We passed on this message to him through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer. He could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to.

It’s a repugnant thought that $100 million would be brought into the United States rather than be directed at dying and needy Muslims in Darfur or Pakistan.

On motivation, the authors insist that it’s purely spite and triumphalism:

The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as “Fitna,” meaning “mischief-making” that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

The Koran commands Muslims to, “Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book” — i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of “fitna[.]“

The owners of the property have the right to determine the use made of it, assuming zoning issues and building codes are not violated in doing so.  The government doesn’t have the right to interfere on the basis of religious practice or belief.  The First Amendment keeps that kind of interference off the table — and we should be glad of it.  Otherwise, no religious practice would be entirely safe in the United States.

However, that doesn’t mean that private efforts can’t be made to dissuade the owners from constructing a provocation to the entire country at Ground Zero within the parameters of the law.  Those could take the forms of protests at the site, boycotts of the construction (perhaps convincing unions in the city to refuse to cooperate with the project), economic protests of those who own the property, and an investigation into the money trail as well. Government doesn’t have to do everything for us, after all, nor should it.


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If we got an amendment process moving I think this is one issue that we could shove down the ruling class’ throat, for a change.

FloatingRock on August 9, 2010 at 12:40 PM

And,I also notice that the name Cordoba has been dropped!

canopfor on August 9, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Not entirely. It still includes the Cordoba Initiative.

Bee on August 9, 2010 at 12:42 PM

CK Mcleod needs to chime in.

midlander on August 9, 2010 at 12:24 PM

He’s already done so, in response to this article. His main points? One of the sentences in one of the articles has poor grammar. That we’re just babies to oppose the mosque. Oh, and we’re “HotAirians”…a slightly more subtle attempt than NarutoBoy’s coining of the term “HotAryans”. Nothing like passive-aggressive Godwin.

One of his other articles is whinging about where exactly Ground Zero ends. In another, he starts referring to “conservative jihad”. Not that I expect differently from someone who thinks Frum and Brooks have got conservatism right.

MadisonConservative on August 9, 2010 at 12:42 PM

I haven’t seen CK in a while. Did he move on to HuffPo or someplace else?

kingsjester on August 9, 2010 at 12:39 PM

He saw that the majority of people here despised his attitude and left, so that he could more directly insult the commentership at his own site, which I won’t link to. Made a big article crying about it, as well.

MadisonConservative on August 9, 2010 at 12:43 PM

MadisonConservative on August 9, 2010 at 12:43 PM

:)

FloatingRock on August 9, 2010 at 12:44 PM

I haven’t seen CK here at all in quite some time. I wonder if something happened…?

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 12:38 PM

He was active in Karl’s GR post about the mosque. By active I mean he wrote about three of his own posts within the comment section. :)

Bee on August 9, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Don’t stop it. It will be a constant reminder of who conducted 9/11 and what jerks they are. A tribute to our tolerance and with ever Motoon uprising a reminder of their intolerance.

DFCtomm on August 9, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Bloomberg deserves nothing less than an ass kicking.

An obnoxious and obviously, suicidal douche

Sonosam on August 9, 2010 at 12:45 PM

Badger40 on August 9, 2010 at 12:20 PM

That would do it, and that is what you’d need to do in order to enable the government to restrict Islam. However, the risk is that a future government applies those tools to other religious groups.

dedalus on August 9, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Definitions.
If you read the Koran & associated readings, you will understand that it is more a political ideology rather than a religion.
There is always a risk that the govt is going to overstep its boundaries.
The threat of Islam is very real. Our lucidness in defining what it really is could further erode the power of our Republic.

Badger40 on August 9, 2010 at 12:47 PM

He was active in Karl’s GR post about the mosque. By active I mean he wrote about three of his own posts within the comment section. :)

Bee on August 9, 2010 at 12:44 PM

I saw that. Amazing how he still couldn’t manage to wrangle his sneering contempt for opposing viewpoints. No wonder he’s in favor of the mosque.

MadisonConservative on August 9, 2010 at 12:50 PM

It would make a great target for some crazy who happened to hijack a Saudi jet. The irony.

J_Crater on August 9, 2010 at 12:04 PM

How did you think they were going to demolish the existing building ?

Jeff2161 on August 9, 2010 at 12:50 PM

MadisonConservative on August 9, 2010 at 12:42 PM

Uhh. I’d have to go “over there” to read his chiming? Pass.

midlander on August 9, 2010 at 12:51 PM

The government doesn’t have the right to interfere on the basis of religious practice or belief. The First Amendment keeps that kind of interference off the table — and we should be glad of it. Otherwise, no religious practice would be entirely safe in the United States.

That is true, except: Islam is also a political system.

It is like Nazis or Communists bowed down 5 times a day to a deity, and therefore we gave them protection as a religion. It would simply not be true. Islam is not just a religion.

I don’t think they should be given the same protection as a religion, but rather be treated as a political party, that worships together, more like the Klan.

Our American traditional definition of religion is certainly freely chosen. And is primarily an issue of INDIVIDUAL conscience. And our right to religion is specifically written to keep our government secular. (Because in the past much of Christianity was also primarily political.)

Islam is held together by coercion especially for women. The threat of leaving Islam is not just a metaphysical punishment in the hear-after, but torture and physical death. That is no longer a religion freely chosen.

And how can we ignore the ultimate goal of Islam, which is not concern for the human souls, but rather the POLITICAL domination of Muslims over all other people on earth!

I think we make a mistake by only categorizing Islam a religion. It is a political system of government. And it threatens our system of government.

petunia on August 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM

canopfor on August 9, 2010 at 12:27 PM
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Not entirely. It still includes the Cordoba Initiative.

Bee on August 9, 2010 at 12:42 PM

Bee:Ugh,should of realized that they lie,like typical
Jihadys.To your face they say peace,just like over
in Israel,as they perpare for war endlessly!!

Yup,I see it:)
==================

Cordoba House
We’re all about multiple points of entry, offering programming in the areas of arts and culture, education and recreation.

http://www.park51.org/cordoba.htm

canopfor on August 9, 2010 at 12:53 PM

We need a constitutional amendment to outlaw the fascist ideology disguised as a religion known as islam.

Rebar on August 9, 2010 at 12:39 PM

All religions in the US should foster loyalty to our Constitutional principles & laws.
If they can’t, then they cannot be here, organizing.
So muslims per se are not outlawed, just the practiced organization of their activities here.
However, those espousing they are muslim should not be allowed to come & work here or be allowed to become citizens.
That wouldn’t stop the really determined ones (Taquiyya), but it would make the building & gathering of them criminal bcs they would be a subversive organization, willing to overthrow our way of govt.
We should never tolerate ANY organization, religious or not, in our country that supports the overthrow of our Republic.

Badger40 on August 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Let’s see how many tradesman in NY refuse to work on the project.

Let’s see how many architects refuse the work.

Let’s see how many suppliers are suddenly out of stock.

Let’s see how many cranes are unavailable.

Let’s see what NYers really think of this project by the actions.

TheBigOldDog on August 9, 2010 at 12:55 PM

Ernesto still missing from this thread, he must be unwilling to share space with all you “shrivs”.

Bishop on August 9, 2010 at 12:56 PM

I think we make a mistake by only categorizing Islam a religion. It is a political system of government. And it threatens our system of government.

petunia on August 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Absolutely right. I linked this earlier, but here’s a good interview with Sam Solomon (former Muslim scholar/Christian convert) about the mosque and our woefully inadequate understanding of Islam itself:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/68472/sec_id/68472

Bee on August 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM

C’mon folks, it’s not like we haven’t done the exact same thing in the past.

29Victor on August 9, 2010 at 12:59 PM

C’mon folks, it’s not like we haven’t done the exact same thing in the past.

29Victor on August 9, 2010 at 12:59 PM

I don’t think the flag put down at Iwo Jima was ever called a “token of understanding,” Victor. We were at war. We knew it. We said so. We were victors, hence the flag.

With my deepest and most heartfelt apologies if sarcasm was intended on your part.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Let them build it…then tell the city a Red Sox jersey was buried underneath the mosque.

/;)

atlgal on August 9, 2010 at 1:01 PM

However, that doesn’t mean that private efforts can’t be made to dissuade the owners from constructing a provocation to the entire country at Ground Zero within the parameters of the law.

Or outside of it. Most of your Mafia types are good Catholics. Perhaps they could be persuaded to ensure a few construction “accidents.”

Kafir on August 9, 2010 at 1:03 PM

With my deepest and most heartfelt apologies if sarcasm was intended on your part.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:00 PM

No sarcasm, I really do think it was the same thing that they are doing (with a couple of minor differences).

The differences, of course, being that in WWII both sides realized that there was a war going on and our side was totally honest about why we were putting up the flag.

29Victor on August 9, 2010 at 1:07 PM

What do the poll numbers say? I bet that with a little effort we could get a sufficient number of American’s behind an amendment. Probably, no sweat.

A Constitutional amendment forbidding new mosques within a mile of Ground Zero.

FloatingRock on August 9, 2010 at 12:34 PM

You can give it a try. I’d guess the early InTrade numbers would make the amendment a long-shot.

Once congress began the process of establishing a principle behind the amendment, if it applied more broadly than one building near one attack, then the law might create problems for other religious groups in the future.

dedalus on August 9, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Rudy should cut ‘em a check for $10 million and tell ‘em to get stuffed again.

Christien on August 9, 2010 at 1:08 PM

The threat of leaving Islam is not just a metaphysical punishment in the hear-after, but torture and physical death.

Honestly I wish spell check would pick-up misused words!

The “hear-after” must be an echo or something…

I meant, here-after.

petunia on August 9, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Okay, I give up.

petunia on August 9, 2010 at 1:09 PM

The differences, of course, being that in WWII both sides realized that there was a war going on and our side was totally honest about why we were putting up the flag.

29Victor on August 9, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Those differences aren’t exactly minor. Many jihadi weapons are non-lethal, but it’s all to the same end: the eradication of dar es al harb, and the establishment of worldwide dar es islam.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:09 PM

The government doesn’t have the right to interfere on the basis of religious practice or belief.

A shrine to commemorate a triumphal act of war on America is itself an act of war. Not only does the government have a right to stop this outrage, it has a duty to do so.

Basilsbest on August 9, 2010 at 1:11 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 9, 2010 at 12:55 PM

I’ll bet that $$$ talks more than their inner conscience.
I hate to say it, but NY is the liberal cesspool that it is for very good reasons.

Badger40 on August 9, 2010 at 1:13 PM

I think we make a mistake by only categorizing Islam a religion. It is a political system of government. And it threatens our system of government.

petunia on August 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Possibly, though depending on the criteria the designation might have been applied to the Catholic church at different times in history. Regardless, the First Amendment protects both religious and political freedom.

dedalus on August 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Those differences aren’t exactly minor. Many jihadi weapons are non-lethal, but it’s all to the same end: the eradication of dar es al harb, and the establishment of worldwide dar es islam.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Well then I guess you’ve caught my point. Ground zero is only one island in that war. It’s a place that, ten years later, still shows the scars of what they did there, and our enemy wants to plant their flag.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that if (God forbid) that mosque gets built, images of it will be discovered to be popping up across the Muslim world just like the image at Iwo Jima did across America.

29Victor on August 9, 2010 at 1:15 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 9, 2010 at 12:55 PM

Until Cordoba whips out the Commerce Clause and makes them build it.

MadisonConservative on August 9, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Ernesto still missing from this thread, he must be unwilling to share space with all you “shrivs”.

Bishop on August 9, 2010 at 12:56 PM

Still waiting for his Talking Points. This is a Monday during the Dog Days of August, after all!

BTW, Happy 8-9-10, everyone.

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2010 at 1:16 PM

But wait—The mosque is a holy, religious site. It would be “insensitive” to hurt Muslims feelings by building a tall, looming building (New WTC) near it. why, they might not even like us if we did that.

So, when the new ‘Victory Mosque’ is built, we should be ‘good sports’ and donate Ground Zero to them out of respect for the Holy Site. It can be named ‘Victory Mosque Park’. Of course, anyone visiting the mosque (or adjacent park) will have to convert to Islam.

MaiDee on August 9, 2010 at 1:19 PM

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that if (God forbid) that mosque gets built, images of it will be discovered to be popping up across the Muslim world just like the image at Iwo Jima did across America.

29Victor on August 9, 2010 at 1:15 PM

While we’re at it, it’s also worth mentioning that after we put the Japanese warlords in their place with two of the most destructive weapons in the history of warfare to wit, we proceeded to aid them in rebuilding into one of the most prosperous pacific rim nations the orient has ever seen.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM

I’ve often thought of Christians as either the Old Testament or the New Testament varieties, depending on whether their emphasis is on judging sin and threatening punishement, or acting out love and forgiveness. It seems that Muslims can also be divided into Mecca Muslims and Medina Muslims. Mecca types are into charity and tolerance. Medina types are into expansion and war. The trouble is, when Mohammed changed from prophet to war lord, his message changed and in Islamic doctrine, as I understand it, the later pronouncements supercede the previous ones. So Mohammed the terrorist takes precedence over Mohammed the peacemaker.

NNtrancer on August 9, 2010 at 1:22 PM

So Mohammed the terrorist takes precedence over Mohammed the peacemaker.

NNtrancer on August 9, 2010 at 1:22 PM

I think that sums it up quite nicely.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:24 PM

C’mon folks, it’s not like we haven’t done the exact same thing in the past.

29Victor on August 9, 2010 at 12:59 PM

29Victor: I like this one better!!(sarc).
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http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/nagasaki-bomb-fat-man.jpg?w=286&h=336

canopfor on August 9, 2010 at 1:25 PM

While we’re at it, it’s also worth mentioning that after we put the Japanese warlords in their place with two of the most destructive weapons in the history of warfare to wit, we proceeded to aid them in rebuilding into one of the most prosperous pacific rim nations the orient has ever seen.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Yeah, but at the time, our flag was our way of saying “We kicked Hirohito’s a@@ at Iwo Jima.”

29Victor on August 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM

http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/nagasaki-bomb-fat-man.jpg?w=286&h=336

canopfor on August 9, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Did you catch my earlier post about what happened after we dropped those bombs, Canop? ;)

Kidding aside, it’s a damn shame we don’t have the stomach for that kind of warfare anymore. Being “American” used to mean something. Now I look at the Cordoba Initiative and other goings-on in American, and I can’t help but wonder.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:27 PM

29Victor: I like this one better!!(sarc).
=========================================

http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/nagasaki-bomb-fat-man.jpg?w=286&h=336

canopfor on August 9, 2010 at 1:25 PM

So would they.

29Victor on August 9, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Yeah, but at the time, our flag was our way of saying “We kicked Hirohito’s a@@ at Iwo Jima.”

29Victor on August 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Absolutely. No argument there. I don’t know if you’ll ever find any historical examples of such merciful victors in warfare as the United States of America.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Government doesn’t have to do everything for us, after all, nor should it.

In deed.

Count to 10 on August 9, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Using the sick, twisted logic of these Cordoba House islamics, they shouldnt mind it at all when a fundamentalist Christian or fundamentalist Jew flies a fuel-laden airliner during Friday evening prayers into this abomination masquerading as a mosque.

Tit for tat, our fitna for their fatwa.

CatchAll on August 9, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Government doesn’t have to do everything for us, after all, nor should it.

Let’s not lose sight of the fact that government exists because there are some things that it is good at; some roles that even our founding fathers knew were appropriate for government to play.

Protection of the people from enemies, foreign and domestic, would be one of those things.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:35 PM

I’m more concerned with why America hasn’t managed to rebuild a bigger and better World Trade Center on the site.

DarkCurrent on August 9, 2010 at 1:36 PM

New York City already has 30 mosques,

I read, over 100. But I don’t have a definitive source for that number.

YehuditTX on August 9, 2010 at 1:45 PM

I’ll bet that $$$ talks more than their inner conscience.
I hate to say it, but NY is the liberal cesspool that it is for very good reasons.

Badger40 on August 9, 2010 at 1:13 PM

I fear you are correct. In which case, NYers won’t have anybody to blame but themselves.

I know I wouldn’t take part in building that Mosque. They could offer me $1M for a warped 2 x 4 and I’d refuse it.

TheBigOldDog on August 9, 2010 at 1:46 PM

I’m more concerned with why America hasn’t managed to rebuild a bigger and better World Trade Center on the site…

DarkCurrent on August 9, 2010 at 1:36 PM

…in almost ten years while the building of an Islamic house of worship is forthcoming.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:52 PM

canopfor on August 9, 2010 at 1:25 PM
Did you catch my earlier post about what happened after we dropped those bombs, Canop? ;)

Kidding aside, it’s a damn shame we don’t have the stomach for that kind of warfare anymore. Being “American” used to mean something. Now I look at the Cordoba Initiative and other goings-on in American, and I can’t help but wonder.

gryphon202 on August 9, 2010 at 1:27 PM

gryphon202: I will seek out your other posts on drop’n da
bomb,and when the flag was raised on Iwo Jima,
the ships off the island went nuts,blarring th
eir horns,awseome moment,and designed to upset
the Japanese,haha!!!

And yes,I think its too bad America doesn’t un
leash,any ordanance to send horror into the Ji
hady’s,this War on Terror is gone so PS its sick
ening!!:)

canopfor on August 9, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Tarek Fatah, the coauthor of that op ed, will be on Michael Coren Show tonight:

http://ctstv.com/ontario/player.php?show=Michael%20Coren%20Show

Check that link or YouTube tomorrow for video.

fivefeetoffury on August 9, 2010 at 2:02 PM

Isn’t there an anniversary coming in a month for something just around the corner from the Twin Tower Mosque site. Or will it be unobserved as being insensitive and bigoted for this new age of Muslim partnership in America?

BL@KBIRD on August 9, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Oops,that PC,not PS!

canopfor on August 9, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Where are the Sopranos when you need them…

… Oh, wait, there in New Jersey.

Never mind…

/

Seven Percent Solution on August 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Rauf & some Muslims claiming ‘outreach’? goodwill?
.
OK, then answer this pls….

Question 4 Imam Rauf @ ground zero mosque; What have U done for NON-Muslims over last 9 years in the USA?
….now that I think about that….
What have Muslims done for non-Muslims anywhere, anything, anytime in the last decade?
.
Anything?
.
You waited nine years to all-of-a-sudden show kindness and goodwill to the non-muslim American people?
.
just go away, please.

shooter on August 9, 2010 at 4:20 PM

I think one cruise missle going to Mecca ought to do the trick!

grapeknutz on August 9, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Regardless, the First Amendment protects both religious and political freedom.

dedalus on August 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM

From the First:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Note it does not say political freedom.
If a bunch of muslims want to peaceably organize & petition the govt for a redress of their grievances, they are free to do so, as are we all.
You can say anything you want against the govt.
But the moment you start plotting for its overthrow, then the govt has a right to put it to a stop.
Whiskey Rebellion?
No organization, religious or not, has the right to plot the overthrow of our govt & dispense of the Constitution.
And that is exactly what islam is intended to do.

Badger40 on August 9, 2010 at 4:40 PM

I think one cruise missle going to Mecca ought to do the trick!

grapeknutz on August 9, 2010 at 4:40 PM

I would say wait until the mass pilgrimmage.

Badger40 on August 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

You infidels should not make trouble for building of the Victory Mosque, if you know what’s good for you…

The next step is to create a fatwa against critics of the Victory Mosque (as it’s known in Islamic circles), just as they did against Mohammed cartoonists.

The Islamists are taking over. They see our freedoms as a suicide pact and…they’re absolutely right!

stonemeister on August 9, 2010 at 4:42 PM

If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not.

If Rauf were serious about building bridges, he would build the first church or synagogue in Saudi Arabia.

RadClown on August 9, 2010 at 5:12 PM

If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not.

If Rauf were serious about building bridges, he would build the first church or synagogue in Saudi Arabia.

RadClown on August 9, 2010 at 5:12 PM

They are rebuilding a chapel that was destroyed on 9-11 and they aren’t planning on including Islamic prayers on a Friday into their program.

lexhamfox on August 9, 2010 at 5:27 PM

If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not.

If Rauf were serious about building bridges, he would build the first church or synagogue in Saudi Arabia.

RadClown on August 9, 2010 at 5:12 PM

They are rebuilding a chapel that was destroyed on 9-11 and they aren’t planning on including Islamic prayers on a Friday into their program.

lexhamfox on August 9, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Well, that was an interesting and evidence free non sequitur.

RadClown on August 9, 2010 at 5:38 PM

nothing to worry about, as long as you all bow down to the muslim king as our sheik president does!!

right4life on August 9, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Someone told Bloomberg that the Mosque would be a Mecca for wealthy Arab tourists.

BL@KBIRD on August 9, 2010 at 6:39 PM

I’m ready to take up a collection for a statue of John III Sobieski to go right in front of the joint.

DrSteve on August 9, 2010 at 6:44 PM

No surprise here.
Evil will eventually expose itself.

byteshredder on August 9, 2010 at 6:50 PM

So how close is too close for this group to build a community center? We know that the center isn’t going to be at Ground Zero, so how close do you people think it should be allowed to be so you don’t protest it?

orange on August 9, 2010 at 6:51 PM

BLOOMBERG’S a useful Dhimmi idiot, and must go!

byteshredder on August 9, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Do the people who want to build this mosque own all the land required for the project?

If not, they don’t have standing for a zoning approval, or even a proper application.

And do they have all the funding needed to build the project?
If not, that would be a solid reason to reject the application even if they do own all the land and have standing.

A local twp just rejected a project up the street because the developers financing was a little shaky and they decided it would be a burden on the Twp if the project got abandoned half way through.

Anyway, I hate NIMBYs and petty tyrants who are attracted to zoning in general, but it seems they may have plenty of reason to reject this abomination. They do it all the time with relatively mild things like cell towers. But then again, cell phone companies won’t blow anybody up because of a bum zoning decision.

forest on August 9, 2010 at 7:04 PM

Where is the reciprocity? There is none. Why must “inter-faith” rapprochement always be expressed in the building of a mosque? It is a contradiction as Islam is actually the sole religion that does not play well with the others and insists on being supreme wherever Muslims dominate! Until Muslim nations let non-Muslims build their houses of worship wherever they please, in numbers proportionate to mosques built in the West, there should be a moratorium on mosque building. This one-sided demand for religious tolerance “Houses of worship for me but not thee” makes fools out of us.

Any charges of Islamophobia should be given a rest unless and until non-Muslims are given equal rights to Muslims in Muslim states. Start with stopping the active persecution of non-Muslims, their beheadings, withholding of citizenship and jobs, confiscation of wealth etc. The attacks BY Muslims outweigh in numbers and depravity anything done to Muslims. Arab Muslim militias at the behest of a Muslim government have slaughtered half a million blacks and displaced millions in Sudan alone. It is Muslims who should be defensive about their religion’s hideous record in the World,, not us. Use whatever monies were made available for the Cordoba mosque to pay reparations in Sudan. This ideology of death disguised as a religion has no business building more colonial outposts in the West.

KentAllard on August 9, 2010 at 7:12 PM

orange on August 9, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Arabian Peninsular?

OldEnglish on August 9, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Don’t trust the authors motivations…they may be trying to work people up.

tomas on August 9, 2010 at 7:33 PM

There is a certain “symmetry,” here, of sorts anyway, I suppose. Islam, by far and away the most intolerant of religions today, is suppose to be the most tolerated. I guess it would make sense in Animal Farm or Alice in Wonderland, both of which we seem to be approaching at a rapid clip.

Tav on August 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM

As George Taylor, played by Charlton Heston, said in The Planet of the Apes: It’s a madhouse! It’s a madhouse!

Tav on August 9, 2010 at 7:41 PM

Arabian Peninsular?

OldEnglish on August 9, 2010 at 7:20 PM

I appreciate your honesty. Some people are pretending that they only oppose the mosque because it’s near Ground Zero. You’re willing to admit that you want all Muslims out of America.

orange on August 9, 2010 at 7:49 PM

Islam should not be allowed to openly practice here in the US bcs it is a political ideologiocy masked as a religion.

Badger40 on August 9, 2010 at 12:07 PM

fixed!
Ya I know …..RAAACCIIIIISSTTT!!

cableguy615 on August 9, 2010 at 7:50 PM

There is a certain “symmetry,” here, of sorts anyway, I suppose. Islam, by far and away the most intolerant of religions today, is suppose to be the most tolerated. I guess it would make sense in Animal Farm or Alice in Wonderland, both of which we seem to be approaching at a rapid clip.

Tav on August 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM

While I don’t necessarily accept your premise, it is true that the most objectionable forms of expression (speech, religion, press, etc.) are the ones that most need First Amendment protections. If we were only interested in protecting popular or powerful views, we wouldn’t even need the First Amendment.

orange on August 9, 2010 at 7:52 PM

It’s just another act of wackjob political correctness.

If NYC isn’t interested in stopping it, why should the rest of us care? They are the ones well on their way to UK-style gestapo political correctness and the ones that will have to live with it every day.

I am far away, and I am laughing.

Moesart on August 9, 2010 at 7:59 PM

orange on August 9, 2010 at 7:49 PM

I’ve never been accused of being mealy-mouthed.

OldEnglish on August 9, 2010 at 8:06 PM

I am far away, and I am laughing.

Moesart on August 9, 2010 at 7:59 PM

It’s all one planet, give ‘em time.

OldEnglish on August 9, 2010 at 8:07 PM

While I don’t necessarily accept your premise, it is true that the most objectionable forms of expression (speech, religion, press, etc.) are the ones that most need First Amendment protections. If we were only interested in protecting popular or powerful views, we wouldn’t even need the First Amendment.

orange on August 9, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Islam accepts none of those things for others and goes quite beyond them in attacking others. To know much at all about Islam and still defend it is moral depravity.

Tav on August 9, 2010 at 8:12 PM

I’ve never been accused of being mealy-mouthed.

OldEnglish on August 9, 2010 at 8:06 PM

He may be shrewd
He may be lewd
But he is steely as you please
OldEnglish could be Japanese

PercyB on August 9, 2010 at 8:20 PM

PercyB on August 9, 2010 at 8:20 PM

Ah, so!

Lol.

OldEnglish on August 9, 2010 at 8:29 PM

City Councils can relegate any house of worship to various areas of the city. I’ve seen this done with my religion.

There is no reason whatsoever that NYC had to allow this at ground zero.

They just had to allow it somewhere.

scotash on August 9, 2010 at 8:44 PM

Its a friggin trophy for what they did, a cherry on the top if you will. Good luck trying to get it built and we’ll see how long it stays if it gets built. The USA is a damn fool to let it happen if it does. Then again…Mr. B.O. go ahead and build it…. the GOP will take the whole election when it comes.

johnnyU on August 9, 2010 at 9:57 PM

I say let Tony Soprano build a second Pork Store right next door. These Mohammedans are a joke. Shoes with curled fronts, beards like homeless scum, having sex with camels so as to not offend Allah with fornication with a “woman”, flying magic carpets that smell of camel shite, marrying six year olds, and believing Mohammed was a prophet instead of a dishonest trader and sexual pervert. I say really go for broke setting the Shiite and Sunnis against themselves, killing each other until there is none left. The world would be better off without people that speak words that sound like, ” Lalurlalapurtugangadin….lulululurarrrrrrr.. Jesus is gonna kick Mohammed’s ass anyway. Instead of overturning business tables in the temple, Mohammed is gonna get an atomic bodyslam. My money is on Christ at 9 to 5 odds…..

adamsmith on August 9, 2010 at 10:37 PM

Oh, and we’re “HotAirians”…a slightly more subtle attempt than NarutoBoy’s coining of the term “HotAryans”. Nothing like passive-aggressive Godwin.

MadisonConservative on August 9, 2010 at 12:42 PM

You know what…? If they get to throw shit like that around without risking a ban, then I am going to go ahead and call them limp-wristed, back-biting pussies for it.

(By the way, Naruto sucks.)

Cylor on August 9, 2010 at 10:50 PM

This is a wonderful idea. Let’s give the jihadi filth another propaganda tool to inspire the yutes of Islam around the world to martyrdom, as if they don’t have enough willing already. This will be a magnet for the most brazen of the splodey dopes, as well.

I can see the internet brochures now:

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Come see Cordoba House! Pay homage to the glorious martyrs of nine-eleven! Praise Allah!

We’re located in lower Manhattan; just a subway ride away from many proud American icons! See the Great Satan’s famous Lady Liberty and the tallest building still standing!

It’s guaranteed to be inspirational! Praise Allah!

===============================================

Genius, I tell ya.

hillbillyjim on August 9, 2010 at 11:11 PM

So how close is too close for this group to build a community center? We know that the center isn’t going to be at Ground Zero, so how close do you people think it should be allowed to be so you don’t protest it?

orange on August 9, 2010 at 6:51 PM

The moon would be too close. There is no requirement to participate in our own destruction. I agree with the posters above who emphasize that Islam is not merely a religion; it is an agressive political, social, governmental, and education system all rolled into one under the guise of a religion. Its ultimate objective is the subjugation of humanity; this should be foremost in our minds when dealing with this existential threat.

Liberty and Islam are diametrically opposed, and both cannot exist in the same space peacefully for any substantial length of time.

If this makes me a bigot, then a bigot I shall be.

hillbillyjim on August 9, 2010 at 11:25 PM

“”Of course it is a blatant show of disrespect and a kinda victory spiking move. Every other thought is just goofy and self-deception.

RalphyBoy on August 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM”"

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Yes, I agree, it definitely is a spike after a touchdown.
And 9/11 definitely was a touchdown for jihad, complete with end-zone dances by Palis, et al.

If this mosque does rise, it shows the softness of the American people – nay, their FORGETFULNESS and distraction.

Just transport yourself back to the chilling nights of September, 2001, and imagine what you would say to someone who told you they were going to build a mosque at Ground Zero?

I hope enough folks in this country – in New York City, do remember – and lay their bodies down in front of the construction trucks if needed, just as the broken bodies of their loved ones lay on the concrete that day.

cane_loader on August 9, 2010 at 11:51 PM

That means we should put not just a gay bar next to it but also a Posh Mexican restaurant with lots of refried beans and even introducing pork fajitas so the air will be redolent with pork fat. Make their stay in that place as miserable as possible.

Besides, as it turns out the place is also owned by Con Edison. So that’s another party from which nothing’s been heard. This is almost becoming amusing.

It is certainly powering a powerful hatred for Muslims in this country that could backfire on the “new owners”. (Oh please!)

{^_^}

herself on August 10, 2010 at 2:53 AM

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