Palin vs PolitiFact on tax-cut expirations

posted at 1:20 pm on August 5, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Sarah Palin recently appeared on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace to discuss the expiration of the tax cuts from 2001 and 2003 — and got into a fight with Politifact.  They gave her a “pants on fire” rating for this exchange, in which she noted that the expiration of the cuts would amount to a $3.8 trillion tax hike:

“Let’s turn to the Bush tax cuts, which are also becoming a big issue, the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy,” said host Chris Wallace. “The Obama White House is now saying end the tax cuts. And these are the tax cuts for the top 2 percent of all households in America. You can save $678 billion, and it won’t hurt the recovery. Governor, if you’re serious, as you say you are, about the deficit, don’t you have to do something?”

“To reduce deficit spending and our enormous debt, you rein in spending,” Palin replied. “You cut the budget. You don’t take more from the private sector and grow government with it. … The Obama administration and the Democrats in Congress — they’re all wet on this idea. It’s idiotic to think about increasing taxes at a time like this.”

Wallace: ” But you know, they would argue, ‘Look, the economy did just fine during the Clinton years. The rates on the top 2 percent would be restored to what they were during the Clinton years.’ The Republicans keep talking about being deficit hawks. This is $678 billion you’re not going to pay for. They’re saying you’re being hypocritical. I say ‘you’ — I’m talking about Republicans.”

Palin: “Yeah. No, this is going to result in the largest tax increase in U.S. history. And again, it’s idiotic. And my palm isn’t large enough to have written all my notes down on what this tax increase will result in. Let me just go through a couple of things that I want people to be aware of, because, you know, the spin coming from Gibbs and the White House — you’re never going to get the truth out of their messaging. But Democrats are poised now to cause this largest tax increase in U.S. history. It’s a tax increase of $3.8 trillion over the next 10 years, and it will have an effect on every single American who pays an income tax. Small businesses especially will be hit hardest. …”

Politifact pounced on these claims:

What caught our attention for fact-checking purposes was her claim that the Democratic plan would result in “the largest tax increase in history.”

Wallace’s question was about letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire. President Barack Obama’s plan would increase income taxes for individuals making more than $200,000 and for couples making more than $250,000, with indexing for inflation. Wallace mentions that the Republican proposal to retain the tax cuts for the wealthy is “$678 billion you’re not going to pay for.” That’s a reasonable estimate of how much increasing taxes on top earners would generate over 10 years.

Well, there’s a problem with this argument, which is that Palin never mentioned a “plan” at all in her interview.  Why?  Because one doesn’t exist, as Politifact themselves acknowledged further into their scolding:

There are no formal congressional proposals yet to keep the Bush tax cuts in place, so we don’t have precise estimates from official sources like the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. Still, there’s a good bit of consensus on what the tax increases would look like, both if lower rates expired only for high earners and also for all incomes.

And there’s a big problem with this argument, which is that “consensus” means nothing without passing a bill, and especially not without proposing one first.  Thanks to Democrats in 2001 and 2003, those bills cutting the tax rates have hard-and-fast sunset provisions that create an expiration date absent of any other action.  We are now less than four months away from that expiration date after seven years of seeing it coming, after more than 3 years of Democratic control of Congress, and after eighteen months of the Obama administration.  Democrats don’t even have a proposal on the table yet, and the legislative calendar is rapidly shrinking to take action before the expiration date hits.  Without action, we will see a $3.8 trillion tax hike across the entire spectrum of earners.

Palin hits back from her Facebook platform:

First of all, they claim that there are Democrat proposals which would “keep the tax cuts for individuals who make less than $200,000 and couples who make less than $250,000.”

Unfortunately for PolitiFact, no such proposal exists. They admit as much, by the way, when they state that “There are no formal congressional proposals yet to keep the Bush tax cuts in place, so we don’t have precise estimates from official sources like the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.” That doesn’t stop them, though, from claiming I “confuse the issue” by “using numbers that assume all the tax cuts are going away. That is not the Democratic plan nor is it President Obama’s plan.”

Plan? What plan? There is no plan. All we have is smoke and mirrors based on an old Obama campaign pledge that if elected, he would exempt families making less than $250,000 a year from “any form of tax increases.” But this pledge was already watered before he was even elected. First vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden lowered it to $150,000. Then campaign surrogate Gov. Bill Richardson lowered it even further to $120,000.

A few months after the inauguration, even that last promise disappeared in a puff of smoke. When asked to reaffirm the White House’s commitment to the campaign promise of no tax increases for families earning less than $250,000, Obama’s spin doctor David Axelrod declared the President had “no interest in drawing lines in the sand.”

The truth is that as of today, Democrats haven’t taken any action to extend any part of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for any income group – and in this case doing nothing equals hitting American taxpayers with a massive $3.8 trillion tax increase.

Politifact blew this one.  They misleadingly claimed that Palin was discussing a specific plan, when none exists anyway, and which she was not, in fact, debating.  They used the nonexistent plan to claim that she was mischaracterizing it, which is an impressive feat of sophistry.  What Palin was doing was warning people of a massive tax hike that Democrats so far have passively led the US to the brink of realizing — and which will shortly become reality unless Congress takes action quickly to avoid.

When Democrats produce an actual plan, we’ll be glad to debate it.  Until then, the only item on the table is the comprehensive expiration of the cuts, which will produce the effect Palin accurately described.

Update: I wrote “sunshine” provisions, when I meant “sunset” provisions. I’ve made the correction above.


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Mr. President, publish your proposals, and we’ll duke it out. You can argue in favor of a multi-trillion dollar tax hike in an age of economic uncertainty and mass unemployment, and we’ll argue for fiscal sanity combined with serious spending cuts. I for one look forward to such a debate.

This is ten kinds of awesome. This woman is fearless!

Chewy the Lab on August 5, 2010 at 1:43 PM

I think capital gains will be taxed at 20%. Qualifying dividends, however, will be taxed at 39%. So all you grandmas out there who rely on your dividend income to supplement social security, get ready because the tax man cometh!

NoLeftTurn on August 5, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Balanced budgets…who needs’em!

ernesto on August 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM

The Democrat way…FIFY

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 3:05 PM

And Mitsy has what to say about this? I thought economics was his strong point???

Ogabe on August 5, 2010 at 3:07 PM

god forbid that we return to the tax levels of those disastrous clinton years.

sesquipedalian on August 5, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Unlike yourself, I was actually in the workforce paying taxes then.

In the 1991-1992 period, my business volume went up 20%, and in the 1992-1993 period it went up 40%.

In 1993-1994, the first year under your hero, it went down 40%.

On Jan. 19, 1992 Bill Clinton said, “I want to make it very clear that this middle-class tax cut, in my view, is central to any attempt we’re going to make to have a short-term economic strategy.”

But on Jan. 14, 1993 at a press conference, Bill Clinton said, “From New Hampshire forward, for reasons that absolutely mystified me, the press thought the most important issue in the race was the middle-class tax cut. “I never did meet any voter who thought that.”

On Sept. 8,1992, Bill Clinton said, “The only people who will pay more income taxes are the wealthiest 2 percent, those living in households making over $200,000 a year.”

In response to a Bush-Quayle ad that people with incomes of as little as $36,000 would pay more taxes under the Clinton plan, Bill Clinton said on Oct. 1, 1992, “It’s a disgrace to the American people that the president (Bush) of the United States would make a claim that is so baseless, that is so without foundation, so shameless in its attempt to get votes under false pretenses.”

Yet the NY TIMES in the analysis of Clinton’s budget wrote, “There are tax increases for every family making more than $20,000 a year!”

“While Clinton continued to defend his middle-class tax cut publicly, he privately expressed the view to his advisers that it was intellectually dishonest.” (The Agenda, by Bob Woodward, p. 31)

Like your hero, you’re an unusually good liar.

BTW, what did Clinton actually “accomplish” in 8 years as President, other than leaving his successor the deadliest attacks on US soil in history?

Del Dolemonte on August 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM

BTW, what did Clinton actually “accomplish” in 8 years as President, other than leaving his successor the deadliest attacks on US soil in history?

Del Dolemonte on August 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Some highly suspicious stains on the oval office carpet?

Dee2008 on August 5, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Politifact is owned and operated by the St. Petersburg Times, which may be the only daily to the left of the NY Times.

Last year Politifact claimed “Death Panels” was the lie of the year. Apparently these left-wing losers never heard of Dr. Donald Berwick, Obama’s recess appointment to head up Medicare and Medicaid and is big on health rationing.

Politifact just like Journolist is part of the left-wing MSM trying to “circle the wagons” around Obama.

bw222 on August 5, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM

He accomplished mostly what I want my government to accomplish: NOTHING! The little he did accomplish was signing some very good bipartisan legislation–which he was forced to look at once his party lost control of congress. I pray daily for Obama to run into the same legislative buzzsaw starting in January 2011.

alwaysfiredup on August 5, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Palin:

But Democrats are poised now to cause this largest tax increase in U.S. history. It’s a tax increase of $3.8 trillion over the next 10 years, and it will have an effect on every single American who pays an income tax.

Politifact:

What caught our attention for fact-checking purposes was her claim that the Democratic plan would result in “the largest tax increase in history.”
Wallace’s question was about letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire. President Barack Obama’s plan would increase income taxes for individuals making more than $200,000 and for couples making more than $250,000, with indexing for inflation.

Palin was making the point that Democrats were POISED to CAUSE the largest tax increase in history by LETTING THE BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE–and by doing NOTHING now.

If Obama and/or Congressional Democrats have some kind of “plan” that doesn’t raise taxes on those making less than 200K, let’s see it and vote on it. Even a “plan” to raise taxes above 200K but keep taxes constant for those under 200K might get some Republican votes, because it’s better than doing nothing.

The Bush tax cuts eliminated the marriage penalty (which probably saved many couples thousands of dollars in taxes) and created a 10% tax bracket over $12,000 of income after deductions–removing that and going back to 15% will cost ALL middle-class taxpayers $600. The Bush tax cuts also changed the 28% bracket to 25%, saving anyone in that bracket 3% above a certain income level, which could amount to hundreds or thousands of dollars.

The Democrats are hitting this “soak the rich” theme, with some vague promise that taxes won’t go up on incomes under $200K. They didn’t, YET, but if nothing is done to re-instate or continue the Bush tax cuts, taxes will rise for TENS OF MILLIONS of middle-class taxpayers, who need to know this before they vote!

Steve Z on August 5, 2010 at 3:25 PM

I love this! I love that Sarah fights back! I’m sure the Hatefilled Left doesn’t expect it after Bush and then McCain in the campaign didn’t. I bet more people will see her rebuttal to Politi-liars then saw the the piece she is rebutting… So they aren’t getting their desired result because they inadvertently brought attention to their own a$$ kicking by Sarah then the blow they were trying to deliver thinking she woukd not respond…

CCRWM on August 5, 2010 at 3:35 PM

BTW, what did Clinton actually “accomplish” in 8 years as President, other than leaving his successor the deadliest attacks on US soil in history?

Del Dolemonte on August 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM

V-Chip, School Uniforms, and Midnight Basketball, aside from lowering the office of the President to Der Schlickmeister bachelor pad.

Inanemergencydial on August 5, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Sweet. The DNC just published a response to Palin’s interview. They’re scared.

WisRich on August 5, 2010 at 3:41 PM

BTW, what did Clinton actually “accomplish” in 8 years as President, other than leaving his successor the deadliest attacks on US soil in history?

Del Dolemonte on August 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM

A much better economy than Bush II left his successor.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Last year Politifact claimed “Death Panels” was the lie of the year. Apparently these left-wing losers never heard of Dr. Donald Berwick, Obama’s recess appointment to head up Medicare and Medicaid and is big on health rationing.

Politifact just like Journolist is part of the left-wing MSM trying to “circle the wagons” around Obama.

bw222 on August 5, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Unfortunately, Palin claimed that there were death panels in Obamacare because of the provision that required doctors to discuss things with patients such as living wills. Those provisions weren’t death panels, but it’s a good attempt at misdirection.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM

You overlooked his selling top rocket secrets to the red Chinese through one of his biggest Demorat campaign contributors, LORAL. Red China had not had one successful space rocket launch until LORAL sold them the technology after being approved by the Clinton admin. Traitor for money.

inspectorudy on August 5, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Wallace: ” But you know, they would argue, ‘Look, the economy did just fine during the Clinton years. The rates on the top 2 percent would be restored to what they were during the Clinton years.’ The Republicans keep talking about being deficit hawks. This is $678 billion you’re not going to pay for. They’re saying you’re being hypocritical. I say ‘you’ — I’m talking about Republicans.”

Palin: “Yeah. No, this is going to result in the largest tax increase in U.S. history. And again, it’s idiotic.

So what “this” was Palin talking about. It sure looks like the expiration of the cuts for the top two percent to me. And that’s not the largest tax increase in U.S. history.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 3:51 PM

Not that I want to defend President Chump, but, he did actually have a plan, albeit a small one, to keep most of the “Bush tax cuts” except for families over $250K and individuals over $200k, and implement a “making work pay” credit, which would generally be between $400 and $800. Of course, this was supposed to be part of the actual budget, which Democrats punted on, and never really passed, so, it did not get included (not that Nancy P. would have allowed it in the budget).

That said, it was not quite a formal proposal, but, more than a campaign pledge.

William Teach on August 5, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Great post Ed. Thanks for including the original quotes from Palin’s interview with Chris Wallace.

I love this quote from Palin’s facebook post.

“Mr. President, publish your proposals, and we’ll duke it out. You can argue in favor of a multi-trillion dollar tax hike in an age of economic uncertainty and mass unemployment, and we’ll argue for fiscal sanity combined with serious spending cuts. I for one look forward to such a debate”.

I would love to see that debate myself. Hopefully we will get to see three of them. ;)

I think to get an idea of exactly how out of touch or just how ignorant President Obama is concerning tax rates and tax revenues we should revisit his pathetic answer at the Democrat primary debate on 10/31/07. Actually Obama’s response to Charlie Gibson’s question about raising the capital gains tax as necessary ‘for the purposes of fairness’ even if it cost the government tax revenues was beyond pathetic.

This answer not only proved Obama’s lack of any kind of economic accumen, but also an insight into Obama’s social justice mindset. Unfortunately only a few people realized what a buffoon we were about to elect as the 44th president of the United States and as they say the rest is history.

Obama: Raise Taxes, Capital Gains – ‘For Purposes of Fairness’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSDBu35K-8

chief on August 5, 2010 at 3:57 PM

This is $678 billion you’re not going to pay for.
Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 3:51 PM

You libs, always acting like you “own” the money that hard working taxpayers earned in the first place. That $678 billion is projected revenue. It does not exist yet. You crater the economy with tax increases during a recession and there will be no $678 billion.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Politifact answer: nevermind….

right2bright on August 5, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Palin again sounding very presidential. I like it. She’ll fact check them into the dirt.

JimK on August 5, 2010 at 4:02 PM

She’ll fact check them into the dirt.

JimK on August 5, 2010 at 4:02 PM

They are certainly giving her plenty to work with.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Unfortunately, Palin claimed that there were death panels in Obamacare because of the provision that required doctors to discuss things with patients such as living wills. Those provisions weren’t death panels, but it’s a good attempt at misdirection.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM

You are wrong. Palin didn’t use the words “death panels” to describe just the doctor counseling for living wills. Either you’re ignorant or dishonest. Which is it?

In case you didn’t bother to read what she actually wrote, here’s her initial FB post and the FB post that rebutted Obama’s reaction to the first one.

Read them and then come back and tell us whether you were ignorant or a liar.

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=116471698434

NoNails on August 5, 2010 at 4:08 PM

So what “this” was Palin talking about. It sure looks like the expiration of the cuts for the top two percent to me. And that’s not the largest tax increase in U.S. history.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 3:51 PM

This from the party who once projected a 6% tax increase, backed it down to 4%, and stated that they were cutting taxes by 2%…and you and your ilk not only believed them then, you apparently still are.
Math and liberals do not seem to reside in the same mind…

right2bright on August 5, 2010 at 4:18 PM

Fine work here.
Perhaps Allah will chime in noting what an awkward choice Palin made in shoe color selection during her Facebook retort.

Stephen M on August 5, 2010 at 4:19 PM

You are wrong. Palin didn’t use the words “death panels” to describe just the doctor counseling for living wills. Either you’re ignorant or dishonest. Which is it?

In case you didn’t bother to read what she actually wrote, here’s her initial FB post and the FB post that rebutted Obama’s reaction to the first one.

Read them and then come back and tell us whether you were ignorant or a liar.

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=116471698434

NoNails on August 5, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Don’t forget it is also possible to be an ignorant liar.

TeleL on August 5, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Don’t forget it is also possible to be an ignorant liar.

TeleL on August 5, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Or intentionally deceitful.

Inanemergencydial on August 5, 2010 at 4:22 PM

You are wrong. Palin didn’t use the words “death panels” to describe just the doctor counseling for living wills. Either you’re ignorant or dishonest. Which is it?

NoNails on August 5, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Knowing Jimbos history it is both…no one is that stupid to continuously misrepresent what Gov. Palin says without knowingly doing it….however some of the arguments are just plain stupid, like the tax post.

right2bright on August 5, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Berwick is Dr. Death and will be setting up the death panels as quickly as he can. A lot of people who have very treatable illnesses will be left to die a slow death by his commission.

Kissmygrits on August 5, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Don’t forget it is also possible to be an ignorant liar.

TeleL on August 5, 2010 at 4:19 PM
Or intentionally deceitful.

Inanemergencydial on August 5, 2010 at 4:22 PM
right2bright on August 5, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Leave Axolrod alone hes’ got a tough job carrying Dear Reader, The Lyin Pinnochio Presidentes’ water.

dhunter on August 5, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Berwick is Dr. Death and will be setting up the death panels as quickly as he can. A lot of people who have very treatable illnesses will be left to die a slow death by his commission.

Kissmygrits on August 5, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Not In Missouri!

dhunter on August 5, 2010 at 4:29 PM

So what “this” was Palin talking about. It sure looks like the expiration of the cuts for the top two percent to me. And that’s not the largest tax increase in U.S. history.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 3:51 PM

This:

Yesterday, PolitiFact.com fact-checked my statement about the coming $3.8 trillion Obama tax hike – the largest tax increase in history. They did such a bad job of it, however, that I feel compelled to fact-check the fact-checkers.

First of all, they claim that there are Democrat proposals which would “keep the tax cuts for individuals who make less than $200,000 and couples who make less than $250,000.”

Unfortunately for PolitiFact, no such proposal exists. They admit as much, by the way, when they state that “There are no formal congressional proposals yet to keep the Bush tax cuts in place, so we don’t have precise estimates from official sources like the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.” That doesn’t stop them, though, from claiming I “confuse the issue” by “using numbers that assume all the tax cuts are going away. That is not the Democratic plan nor is it President Obama’s plan.”

Plan? What plan? There is no plan. All we have is smoke and mirrors based on an old Obama campaign pledge that if elected, he would exempt families making less than $250,000 a year from “any form of tax increases.” But this pledge was already watered down before he was even elected. First vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden lowered it to $150,000. Then campaign surrogate Gov. Bill Richardson lowered it even further to $120,000.

A few months after the inauguration, even that last promise disappeared in a puff of smoke. When asked to reaffirm the White House’s commitment to the campaign promise of no tax increases for families earning less than $250,000, Obama’s spin doctor David Axelrod declared the President had “no interest in drawing lines in the sand.”

The truth is that as of today, Democrats haven’t taken any action to extend any part of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for any income group – and in this case doing nothing equals hitting American taxpayers with a massive $3.8 trillion tax increase.

What we do know for certain is that the White House is more than willing to raise taxes on families with incomes of less than $250,000. Democrat Senator Max Baucus admitted as much during the debate about Obamacare when he stated that “One other point that I think it’s very important to make is that it is true that in certain cases, the taxes will go up for some Americans who might be making less than $200,000.”

You lose again.

Brian1972 on August 5, 2010 at 4:29 PM

I find it telling that the St Pete Times does not allow comments on their own Politifact pages. What a bunch of panty-waisted jack-wagons.

ornery_independent on August 5, 2010 at 4:35 PM

PolitiFact doesn’t dispute the $3.8 trillion estimate of the cost of repeal of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. It admits that “Palin’s estimate of $3.8 trillion over 10 years is within a reasonable range, if you’re talking about all taxpayers.” And yet somehow it continues to argue that I’m wrong, based on a proposal it admits doesn’t exist which in turn is based on a phantom campaign pledge which Democrats have already broken anyway. I call that a “Pants on Fire” statement.

The question I have is, why are we not talking about all taxpayers? No one should have their taxes raised right now, especially those who have access to capital for investment and job creation, the top two brackets. Poor people don’t hire anyone.

It makes no sense in economic terms, but if you are more worried about “fairness” and Social Justice than economic growth because you’re an idiot leftist who wants to punish certain people rather than help everybody, then it makes sense.

Brian1972 on August 5, 2010 at 4:35 PM

While I agree with what Palin is saying, there’s one bit of fact-checking to do on her acolytes’ praise (for this and every other Facebook post she puts up):

She isn’t fighting for anything! Posting a message on Facebook is essentially a passive act, akin to the blogging here and elsewhere.

Fighting would be Palin running for (and winning) an electoral office, where she could not only advocate things she likes but oppose what she dislikes in a meaningful way: through passing (or stopping) legislation.

Until she and her followers learn the distinction, she is a glorified blogger.

Think about it, people. Before you denounce me as a troll (or worse), see if you can put forth a rational argument for your Palin adoration.

MrScribbler on August 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM

MrScribbler on August 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Running for office isn’t fighting either. It’s just running for office… and most of them don’t make any difference.

She does.

sharrukin on August 5, 2010 at 4:41 PM

also, too, i love the relentless, self-discrediting promotion of the nut from wasilla and her fb figments in a depraved effort to attract page views.

sesquipedalian on August 5, 2010 at 1:43 PM

I also love your self-discrediting, depraved effort in not only viewing this page, but commenting on it. And then offering a bit of Clinton nostalgia in place of any real argument.

ddrintn on August 5, 2010 at 4:42 PM

Until she and her followers learn the distinction, she is a glorified blogger.

Think about it, people. Before you denounce me as a troll (or worse), see if you can put forth a rational argument for your Palin adoration.

MrScribbler on August 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Your comment is a vivid and rational demonstration as to how it’s a “fight”. Talk about looking for hair on the soap…

ddrintn on August 5, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Sweet. The DNC just published a response to Palin’s interview. They’re scared.

WisRich on August 5, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Where’s the RNC? And other GOP contenders? Crickets….

It’s like Sarah Palin vs. the Democrat Party. Or like someone else said, Sarah Palin vs. the Left.
A one woman campaign to defend American values.

Norwegian on August 5, 2010 at 4:46 PM

MrScribbler on August 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM

What an obtuse interpretation.

Of course she is fighting the liberals.

Legislation isn’t the only important thing in the world, you also have to get candidates for office to win the office before they can vote yes or no, or propose anything.

She is lending her considerable support to those she thinks will help turn things around.

That, in my book is fighting for what you believe in, in the most effective manner available right now.

Guess what, it is working.

There is your “rational explanation”, even though it was not owed to you.

Brian1972 on August 5, 2010 at 4:46 PM

They won’t create a plan and they won’t drop a bill. They KNOW that these will expire on everyone and they ALSO KNOW that the vast majority of the public won’t know anything about it to the third or fourth week of January when it affects their paychecks.

Now someone check the calendar for me, but I’m fairly sure that in the second, third and fourth week of January the media will be chock-a-block full of stories about the new Republican Congress and the 50/50 split in the Senate. The Republicans will be in the spotlight as the challenge to Obama.

Then WHAM, everyone gets a pay cut. Who will they blame?

Jason Coleman on August 5, 2010 at 4:48 PM

The Republicans will be in the spotlight as the challenge to Obama.

Then WHAM, everyone gets a pay cut. Who will they blame?

Jason Coleman on August 5, 2010 at 4:48 PM

The real culprits, if the Republicans aren’t their usual wussy selves.

ddrintn on August 5, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Let’s also remember that they CAN’T drop a bill because they haven’t made a budget. If they drop a bill on this, they’ll be stuck with one-size of a balance sheet and pay-go.

Right now, they can get away with violating pay-go largely because there is no budget. Put a budget out, or even half of one, and you’re committed.

Jason Coleman on August 5, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Brian1972 on August 5, 2010 at 4:35 PM

This.

Dee2008 on August 5, 2010 at 4:56 PM

You are wrong. Palin didn’t use the words “death panels” to describe just the doctor counseling for living wills. Either you’re ignorant or dishonest. Which is it?

In case you didn’t bother to read what she actually wrote, here’s her initial FB post and the FB post that rebutted Obama’s reaction to the first one.

Read them and then come back and tell us whether you were ignorant or a liar.

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=116471698434

NoNails on August 5, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Read her August 9th post. That’s exactly what I described.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Think about it, people. Before you denounce me as a troll (or worse), see if you can put forth a rational argument for your Palin adoration.

MrScribbler on August 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM

When the President of the United States feels the need to address a private citizen’s “glorified blogger” arguments against his policies in his annual State of the Union address, you can bet that “blogger” is landing blows knocking the wind out of the President’s claims.

Furthermore, when the POTUS’ attack dogs, including the MFM, Journolisters, Politifacters, press secretary and other assorted and sundry admin officials, all come out to attack a private citizen daily for two years and counting, you can bet that her Facebook posts and other commentary are landing legitimate blows to combat the Obamadministration’s policies and public statements.

And when a major newspaper feels the need to publish a “Sarah Palin Endorsement Tracker“, they are implying that she is bigger than any one candidate running for office. Those winning endorsements will be considered a de facto “Palin’s Policy Squad” (or something) to directly go head-to-head against Pee-BO’s minions. How many other “endorsement trackers” can you cite, INCLUDING ones for elected officials.

Your argument is crap.

ornery_independent on August 5, 2010 at 5:03 PM

Oops. Meant the August 12th post. That is what I described.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 5:03 PM

You lose again.

Brian1972 on August 5, 2010 at 4:29 PM

I’m not talking about PoliFact’s explanation. I’m talking about the quotes from Wallace and Palin. What was the “this” Palin was talking about? It sure looks like it was allowing the tax cuts on the upper two percent to expire, from the conversation.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 5:07 PM

A one woman campaign to defend American values.

Norwegian on August 5, 2010 at 4:46 PM

She’s not only defending American values, she’s promoting them. She’s a patriotic whirlwind. She goes all over the country promoting candidates she sees as ethical, constitutional common sense conservatives who are hopefully all about serving the public not enriching themselves. She’s reforming the body politic, especially the GOP. She gives speeches and raises money for candidates and causes she feels need help. She calls out the big 0 and the lefties on their lies and nonsense and speaks truth to power. She flys thru the flak they send her way, not only undiminished but stronger to deliver counter punches that send them reeling and squealing. No wonder they fear her so.

The real question: is there anyone as fearless and righteous that can stand with her besides us common folk?

shmendrick on August 5, 2010 at 5:09 PM

“I can’t spare this woman, she fights!”

turfmann on August 5, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 5:07 PM

NO, “this” was the coming expiration of the tax cuts, period. “This” is what is about to happen because there is no plan, bill or coming action to prevent it.

You’re being intentionally obtuse, and you know it.

Jason Coleman on August 5, 2010 at 5:14 PM

The truth is that as of today, Democrats haven’t taken any action to extend any part of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for any income group – and in this case doing nothing equals hitting American taxpayers with a massive $3.8 trillion tax increase.

Yikes!

I find it odd that Democrats, who rush to pass a bill without even knowing what it contains, have stalled on the Bush tax cuts. Shocking.

Oh, and Palin is right; Politifact got slammed! LOL!

TN Mom on August 5, 2010 at 5:23 PM

A much better economy than Bush II left his successor.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 3:42 PM

I am and never was a Bush fan, and am quite glad he’s gone. But this quote right here is the money quote.

Liberals are retarded, Congress controls the budget and spending and the president merely signs it into law. The economy was good up until ’06 when the Dems took firm control of spending and legislation. Notice how since the dems have been in control the country has steadily gone to the crapper. Your boy Obama helped drive the economy to what it is today before he was elected president.

We won’t recover till we take the power away from you libs. In another 3 years we wont be a first world country, we’ll be looking more like the second world countries europe is starting to look like.

And yes, I have visited Europe in the past 5 years and it is a nasty, foul smelling, hostile, a$$hole filled garbage dump.

MadDogF on August 5, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Read her August 9th post. That’s exactly what I described.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 5:01 PM

OK. She made two FB posts on August 9. Here’s the one that has anything about death panels, and she was quoting a blogger.

* Sarah Palin’s Notes

Articles of Interest
Sunday, August 9, 2009 at 9:41am
Rep. Don Young, Washington Times, August 9, 2009
“Palin got it right: Democrats can take a lesson on cap-and-tax”

On July 24, Democratic Sens. Barbara Boxer of California and John Kerry of Massachusetts took to The Washington Post to attack former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s opposition to the Waxman-Markey cap-and-tax legislation and her overall energy philosophy.

Mrs. Palin correctly criticized the scheme presented in the legislation sponsored by Democratic Reps. Henry A. Waxman of California and Edward J. Markey of Massachusetts. By only citing a report from the left-of-liberal Center for American Progress, Mr. Kerry and Mrs. Boxer naively underestimate the effects the legislation will have on the American economy. Other, more mainstream organizations, such as the Brookings Institution and the Black Chamber of Commerce, disagree.

*********

Professor William A. Jacobson, Le•gal In•sur•rec•tion, August 8, 2009
“An Inconvenient Truth About The ‘Death Panel’”

Sarah Palin has kicked off (another) firestorm of criticism because of the statement she released on her Facebook page….

These critics, however, didn’t take the time to find out to what Palin was referring when she used the term “level of productivity in society” as being the basis for determining access to medical care. If the critics, who hold themselves in the highest of intellectual esteem, had bothered to do something other than react, they would have realized that the approach to health care to which Palin was referring was none other than that espoused by key Obama health care adviser Dr. Ezekial Emanuel (brother of Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel).

Where in this post did she say what you said she said.

NoNails on August 5, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Shut up and go away bigot.

runawayyyy on August 5, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Update: I wrote “sunshine” provisions, when I meant “sunset” provisions. I’ve made the correction above.

Ever the optimist.

maverick muse on August 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Oops. Meant the August 12th post. That is what I described.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 5:03 PM

Maybe you should have read her whole post. She was responding to Obama’s attack on her original post. She made her position on “death panels” crystal clear in her August 7 post. Obama and his surrogates used the end-of-life counseling sessions as a straw man. And he and his surrogates tried to make everyone believe she was talking about an actual death panel. They knew that people who didn’t bother to actually read what she wrote would fall for the ploy. You’re a prime example of that very person. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

NoNails on August 5, 2010 at 6:03 PM

Well, we’re independent fact-checkers, and we still found accuracy issues with the former governor’s statements on the expiring Bush tax cuts.

Sure. Independent fact-checkers who fabricate whole cloth independent or unrelated to facts.

They found accuracy issues, alright; their own accuracy is a problem.

maverick muse on August 5, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Yikes!

I find it odd that Democrats, who rush to pass a bill without even knowing what it contains, have stalled on the Bush tax cuts. Shocking.

Oh, and Palin is right; Politifact got slammed! LOL!

TN Mom on August 5, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Here’s what’s gonna happen. The Dems will wait until the last minute and then jam it through. If it’s held up for any reason, they’ll claim the Republicans want to raise taxes on the middle class.

NoNails on August 5, 2010 at 6:12 PM

She isn’t fighting for anything! Posting a message on Facebook is essentially a passive act, akin to the blogging here and elsewhere.

Until she and her followers learn the distinction, she is a glorified blogger.

MrScribbler on August 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM

There’s a basic difference. Palin has 2 million Facebook followers. Millions more care what she says.

Conversely, few give a damn what a nobody like you say.

bw222 on August 5, 2010 at 6:50 PM

Politifact:

Palin read the number on her hand correctly, but that’s about all she got right.

Oh yeah, they’re independent and non-partisan fact-checkers there.

ddrintn on August 5, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Maybe you should have read her whole post. She was responding to Obama’s attack on her original post. She made her position on “death panels” crystal clear in her August 7 post. Obama and his surrogates used the end-of-life counseling sessions as a straw man. And he and his surrogates tried to make everyone believe she was talking about an actual death panel. They knew that people who didn’t bother to actually read what she wrote would fall for the ploy. You’re a prime example of that very person. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

NoNails on August 5, 2010 at 6:03 PM

She certainly confused things in her second Facebook entry.

Concerning the “Death Panels” Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 8:55pm
Yesterday President Obama responded to my statement that Democratic health care proposals would lead to rationed care; that the sick, the elderly, and the disabled would suffer the most under such rationing; and that under such a system these “unproductive” members of society could face the prospect of government bureaucrats determining whether they deserve health care.

The President made light of these concerns. He said:

“Let me just be specific about some things that I’ve been hearing lately that we just need to dispose of here. The rumor that’s been circulating a lot lately is this idea that somehow the House of Representatives voted for death panels that will basically pull the plug on grandma because we’ve decided that we don’t, it’s too expensive to let her live anymore….It turns out that I guess this arose out of a provision in one of the House bills that allowed Medicare to reimburse people for consultations about end-of-life care, setting up living wills, the availability of hospice, etc. So the intention of the members of Congress was to give people more information so that they could handle issues of end-of-life care when they’re ready on their own terms. It wasn’t forcing anybody to do anything.” [1]

The provision that President Obama refers to is Section 1233 of HR 3200, entitled “Advance Care Planning Consultation.” [2] With all due respect, it’s misleading for the President to describe this section as an entirely voluntary provision that simply increases the information offered to Medicare recipients. The issue is the context in which that information is provided and the coercive effect these consultations will have in that context.

Section 1233 authorizes advanced care planning consultations for senior citizens on Medicare every five years, and more often “if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual … or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility… or a hospice program.” [3] During those consultations, practitioners must explain “the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice,” and the government benefits available to pay for such services. [4]

Now put this in context. These consultations are authorized whenever a Medicare recipient’s health changes significantly or when they enter a nursing home, and they are part of a bill whose stated purpose is “to reduce the growth in health care spending.” [5] Is it any wonder that senior citizens might view such consultations as attempts to convince them to help reduce health care costs by accepting minimal end-of-life care? As Charles Lane notes in the Washington Post, Section 1233 “addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones…. If it’s all about obviating suffering, emotional or physical, what’s it doing in a measure to “bend the curve” on health-care costs?” [6]

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Shut up and go away bigot.

runawayyyy on August 5, 2010 at 5:52 PM

So do you live in Alaska?

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 7:37 PM

There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.

Apparently, we can add a fourth kind: fact checks.

I’m beginning to believe that any time you hear someone claim to do a fact check, you should hike up your britches cause it’s about to get deep.

tom on August 5, 2010 at 7:42 PM

As I said earlier Jimbo, you are being intentionally obtuse, and now I’ll add willfully deceptive.

You know your argument is hopelessly contorted and the issue you wish to make cloudy is crystal clear to the honest observer.

Jason Coleman on August 5, 2010 at 8:17 PM

Hmmm.

jimbo3.

Pity nobody has put in an “Ignore this Idiot” button into blogs.

memomachine on August 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM

jimbo3 and mr scribbler are trolls.

Don’t feed them and they will go away.

Notice how Axelrod has the trolls back in action because they are afraid. All of the journØlist crap they threw at her and she is still standing.

Pretty damn funny to see punk Chicago thugs afraid of one woman.

Reload Saracuda, reload.

Jayrae on August 5, 2010 at 10:05 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Not ta mention that retroactive tax on business, the Co. I worked for had to cut 5% payroll to pay the tax.

That means 5% of the Employees lost their job.

This ushered in the “temp employee” age. Today very few employers will hire from resumes, most go through a temp agency, and with temps no benefits.
Good job Bill!

DSchoen on August 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Until she and her followers learn the distinction, she is a glorified blogger.
MrScribbler on August 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Anyone who can send out a “Facebook” rant or a simple tweet and effect the Government of the USA, The President down through Congress is one seriously powerful glorified blogger.

Or one pathetic President, down through Congress.

Pick one!

LOL

DSchoen on August 5, 2010 at 10:42 PM

Question to you youngsters with your hip internet jargon.

Does part of the concept of being pwned consist in not knowing that you’ve been pwned?

I want to know just how badly Sarah Palin is destroying the bad guys.

Thanks!

jeff_from_mpls on August 5, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Good question. I’d say your typical J-School type doesn’t know it. They’re just incapable. If they were capable, they would have shot for something a little more demanding in college.

But, in being pwned, one can know it, such as the cat in this video.

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/05/funny-pictures-gif-kitteh-bunneh/

:-)

MNHawk on August 6, 2010 at 8:00 AM

I’m not talking about PoliFact’s explanation. I’m talking about the quotes from Wallace and Palin. What was the “this” Palin was talking about? It sure looks like it was allowing the tax cuts on the upper two percent to expire, from the conversation.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Wallace put forward the Democrats position, and she responded with the conservative position that is much more sensible.

They have no bill, they have no plan to keep from raising taxes on every bracket at the end of the year.

She was right, and is right, period.

Any economist will tell you that raising taxes at all in this kind of environment is a really stupid thing to do.

What is almost as stupid is to target your tax increases based not on economic results but class warfare political grandstanding, claiming to stand up for the “little guy” by punishing the very people who have access to the capital that would create the jobs to hire the “little guy”, the top two tax brackets. Lower middle class doesn’t hire anyone, they are looking to get hired.

Read Arthur Laffer and learn something.

Brian1972 on August 6, 2010 at 8:19 AM

She makes a lot of sense for a backwoods, mooseburger eating Mama Grizzly. Lord, I wish she were POTUS.

Herb on August 6, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Mama Grizzlys can pounce? I never knew that. Politifact should look in the mirror for claw marks on their collective a**es.

RalphyBoy on August 6, 2010 at 4:06 PM

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