Is Obama about to forgive billions in mortgage principal?

posted at 8:48 am on August 5, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

James Pethokoukis hears rumors of an August surprise coming from the White House, one that will attempt to win backs the hearts and minds of voters dismayed at the failing economic policies of the Obama administration.  With the government fully in control of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Barack Obama may issue an order to forgive portions of underwater mortgages processed through the GSEs, where negative equity approaches $800 billion overall.  Some financial houses have begun quietly preparing for the possibility:

Main Street may be about to get its own gigantic bailout. Rumors are running wild from Washington to Wall Street that the Obama administration is about to order government-controlled lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to forgive a portion of the mortgage debt of millions of Americans who owe more than what their homes are worth. An estimated 15 million U.S. mortgages – one in five – are underwater with negative equity of some $800 billion. Recall that on Christmas Eve 2009, the Treasury Department waived a $400 billion limit on financial assistance to Fannie and Freddie, pledging unlimited help. The actual vehicle for the bailout could be the Bush-era Home Affordable Refinance Program, or HARP, a sister program to Obama’s loan modification effort. HARP was just extended through June 30, 2011.

The move, if it happens, would be a stunning political and economic bombshell less than 100 days before a midterm election in which Democrats are currently expected to suffer massive, if not historic losses. The key date to watch is August 17 when the Treasury Department holds a much-hyped meeting on the future of Fannie and Freddie. …

Why?  As Pethokoukis notes, it would be a naked ploy to buy votes … with our money:

Democrats are in real danger of losing the House and almost losing the Senate. The mortgage Hail Mary would be a last-gasp effort to prevent this from happening and to save the Obama agenda. The political calculation is that the number of grateful Americans would be greater than those offended that they — and their children and their grandchildren — would be paying for someone else’s mortgage woes.

The government controls the two GSEs thanks to the bailout demanded by Bush administration, and then made unlimited by the Obama administration.   They are being floated on taxpayer money, but the idea had been that an orderly wind-down of bad loans and securities would eventually rescue the principal in most of the mortgages.  Taxpayers would take a bath, but eventually we’d see something approaching a wash in the long run.  Government seizure was supposed to allow for renegotiation of terms with borrowers to rescue the loans.

A massive write-down of principal in underwater mortgages would cost us additional tens of billions of dollars, if not $100 billion or more, in order to get these mortgages to market level.  That money won’t come out of thin air, either.  Either it will take taxpayer dollars to make up the difference, or the sudden and arbitrary writedown will make Fannie/Freddie investors a whole lot more poor than they were before.  The Obama administration can’t afford to send Wall Street reeling with that kind of shock, especially this close to an election and with the economy already sinking, so it would almost certainly require massive taxpayer subsidies to accomplish, on top of what’s already been spent on TARP bailouts.

In other words, it’s exactly the same kind of Obamanomics that we have seen for the last eighteen months — spend what we don’t have now, run up debt like crazy, and hope that a momentary spike will translate into political success.  Unfortunately, that has also been the formula for long-term economic failure.

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Taxpayer Shakedown. Hey it worked with BP.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM

This actually may be a good idea. It should help stimulate consumer spending. And, to the extent that the federal government has already guaranteed the obligations of Fannie and Freddy, the government is probably already on the hook for most of the economic impact of the underwater mortgages.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Gee, my house is worth less than I owe on it.

But I work hard, always pay my taxes and my mortgage, so I guess I’m too much of a chump to get any of this help, huh?

MassVictim on August 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM

If he does this, I want a list in every newspaper.

That can be handled on the state level, much like our state treasurer does with people who are owed money by the state.

Either that or I want one of those recovery signs put up in the yard every every home.

reaganaut on August 5, 2010 at 11:32 AM

The fools he’d bail out already vote for him.

Go ahead with the plan and pi*s off the rest of the people even more. These are impertinent thugs, who fortunately are also brainless.

Schadenfreude on August 5, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM
So it wasn’t enough for you that Obama took over the car companies, the insurance companies, the banks, the healthcare industry etc. now it is a good idea for the federal government to take over individuals homes?

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Come April, quit paying taxes. It will be the ultimate revolt. These emperors’ purses must be shut.

Schadenfreude on August 5, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Barack Obama doesn’t care about tax-paying people.

ChrisB on August 5, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Oh, he cares about us all right. The same way a mink rancher cares about his mink. As long as we can produce a good pelt when killed…..

LibraryGryffon on August 5, 2010 at 11:34 AM

So, hmm. I should convince my employer to let me go on leave of absence. Stop paying my mortgage, get the debt forgiven and then have them re-hire me. Why not?

WitchDoctor on August 5, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM
So it wasn’t enough for you that Obama took over the car companies, the insurance companies, the banks, the healthcare industry etc. now it is a good idea for the federal government to take over individuals homes?

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 11:34 AM

How is this a takeover of someone’s house by the government. Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac already had the mortgages. If anything, it’s an anti-takeover.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM

What the hell was Bush thinking when he signed that monstrosity into law? I know what Obama is thinking by taking advantage of it — spending other people’s money is the reason for every Democrat’s existence. Republicans are supposed to be better and smarter, though. Honestly, TARP is going to be Bush’s legacy moreso than Iraq or 9/11. That one signature will carry more consequences than any other single action of his Presidency, and none of them are good.

holygoat on August 5, 2010 at 11:39 AM

A criminal organization has installed itself in the White House.

WisCon on August 5, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Nice. As I work my buns off to pay off my house AND look into building a new one, I am now paying for some dead beat who couldn’t save for a house and had to get a loan that was interest only… in which now I am paying for.

EF U Obama!

upinak on August 5, 2010 at 11:39 AM

How is this a takeover of someone’s house by the government. Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac already had the mortgages. If anything, it’s an anti-takeover.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM

A mortgage is an ownership interest in a piece of property. The lender has it. If the lender is stripped of it by the federal government where does that ownership interest go?

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 11:40 AM

How is this a takeover of someone’s house by the government. Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac already had the mortgages. If anything, it’s an anti-takeover.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM

When a federally funded agency takes MY money to pay for other people’s stoopit, it is a shakedown. It is redistribution of wealth. My money for someone else to have/keep their house. If you want to do, then by all means do. The IRS will accept your donation OVER your tax bill. I double dog dare you.

Laura in Maryland on August 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM

The worst part about this rumor, is that Obowma can even consider doing stuff like this because we don’t have any journalists left in this country to speak of.

If he does it, they will avoid any mcmansion stories, push the phony cost numbers the dems feed them and do feel good stories about how poor schulbs (who were preyed upon by evil lenders) are able to buy healthy food for their kids again.

It’s criminal.

reaganaut on August 5, 2010 at 11:42 AM

And then like all socialist utopia’s the other people’s money runs out, and then the guns and gulags come into play.

Did you see, Kenya passed their Soviet Style Constitution yesterday? Just what Obowma wrote about in his book “Dreams of my Father”, and what rev Wright spoke of for 20 years from the pulpit. Dream satisfied. What you mean you didn’t read the book? Next time, if there is a next time, pay attention.

tarpon on August 5, 2010 at 11:43 AM

The IRS will accept your donation OVER your tax bill. I double dog dare you.

Even better, let the Hollyweirdos run a telethon to raise money for these poor, poor “homewoners”. Get some kids on youtube dropping f bombs.

I wonder how many people would get their mortgage debt erased, go out and sell the house because it’s now profitable to do so, and start the process over?

reaganaut on August 5, 2010 at 11:45 AM

When a federally funded agency takes MY money to pay for other people’s stoopit, it is a shakedown. It is redistribution of wealth. My money for someone else to have/keep their house. If you want to do, then by all means do. The IRS will accept your donation OVER your tax bill. I double dog dare you.

Laura in Maryland on August 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Its even worse than taking your money, because the Treasury doesn’t have it in the first place, they have to borrow it from the Chinese or print it, burdening our children etc.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 11:46 AM

But hey, if you own your property outright and want to sell it but you can’t . . . f*** you!

I effing hate every single thing about this regime. EVERYTHING.

NoLeftTurn on August 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Are there any sane journalists/pundits/experts left who will expose these fools and their foolishness?

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM

How is this a takeover of someone’s house by the government. Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac already had the mortgages. If anything, it’s an anti-takeover.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM
A mortgage is an ownership interest in a piece of property. The lender has it. If the lender is stripped of it by the federal government where does that ownership interest go?

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 11:40 AM

A mortgage is a debt instrument secured by a house/apartment. The owner of the house has the equity and is the owner. If the mortgage goes into default because the owner hasn’t paid his/her mortgage, the lender can, among other things, sell the house and use the proceeds to repay the debt (giving the owner any amount remaining) and/or go after the owner personally for the amount of the loan.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM

wow .. did you find that on wikipedia Jimbo. Hell I would say a good 75% of us own homes. So why are you spewing what we already know? Moron.

upinak on August 5, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Why isn’t the GOP more vocal about matters like this?

Bribes are happening daily with impunity, and I for one am sick of it.

madmonkphotog on August 5, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM
You are missing the point. In the case of Fannie and Freddy, the lender is ultimately the taxpayer. If the lender’s interest in the home is extinguished by the swipe of Obama’s pen, what has happened to the taxpayer’s interest?

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 11:54 AM

wow .. did you find that on wikipedia Jimbo. Hell I would say a good 75% of us own homes. So why are you spewing what we already know? Moron.

upinak on August 5, 2010 at 11:53 AM

TXmom didn’t understand what a mortgage is. She thought it was an ownership interest in property.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:55 AM

Is Obama about to forgive billions in mortgage principal?

Jesus forgave people’s debts too.

Huh.

Akzed on August 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM
You are missing the point. In the case of Fannie and Freddy, the lender is ultimately the taxpayer. If the lender’s interest in the home is extinguished by the swipe of Obama’s pen, what has happened to the taxpayer’s interest?

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 11:54 AM

The way I read it, the loan won’t be forgiven in most cases. It will just be reduced so that the loan amount plus equity equals market value.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Paid fo wid ObamaCash!

BigAlSouth on August 5, 2010 at 12:00 PM

I can’t wait to see the stuff he comes up with in 2012, for himself.

reaganaut on August 5, 2010 at 12:01 PM

TXmom didn’t understand what a mortgage is. She thought it was an ownership interest in property.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:55 AM

umm she knows what a mortgage is. I don’t think you really understand. And that would be your problem.

upinak on August 5, 2010 at 12:01 PM

The way I read it, the loan won’t be forgiven in most cases. It will just be reduced so that the loan amount plus equity equals market value.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Keep reading… you still haven’t gotten it.

upinak on August 5, 2010 at 12:02 PM

The way I read it, the loan won’t be forgiven in most cases. It will just be reduced so that the loan amount plus equity equals market value.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Forgiven or reduced, it is still ultimately taking. The taxpayer is bearing the burden and getting nothing in return.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 12:02 PM

I want to know how does this have anything to do with defending the Constitution?

Sir Napsalot on August 5, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Are there any sane journalists/pundits/experts,
REPUBLICANS
left who will expose these fools and their foolishness?

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Just a bit of augmentation.

Why isn’t the GOP more vocal about matters like this?
madmonkphotog on August 5, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Of course WE are furious, but if we don’t get this OUT,
who will stir up those who’d otherwise never learn of this??
Methinks it’s up to us, folks.. let’s get this out there !!

pambi on August 5, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Good citizens do not question or criticize government policies .
Bad citizens do and they are rewarded with all expense paid vacation to the re education facility of the Government’s choice

ELMO Q on August 5, 2010 at 12:09 PM

This move would be a disaster for Obama.

blink on August 5, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Not sure about that, but it would definitely be a disaster for this country.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Is this central planning of redistribution all of a piece with the latest Dodd-inspired bill for sustainable cities? It appears that between herding the populace into easily controlled urban areas and promoting/ underwriting cars that limit mobility, that monster-masters have been hard at work to our detriment.

Does anyone have details re the Dodd plan and its implications?

onlineanalyst on August 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM

I will be beyond livid if this happens.

I saved up for 5 years so that I could quit my job at the end of 2008 to finish my education. I did not earn a penny in 2009, but we paid all of our bills on time because my spouse worked the whole time and we used our savings as planned.

Now I find out that I SHOULD have simply done a home equity to put my house underwater and not paid my bills, then I would have been rewarded. I would not have student loans, and my underwater home equity debt would be discharged.

Instead, because I did the RIGHT thing, I have student loans that CANNOT be discharged.

Thanks Obama! Yeah.

JustTruth101 on August 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM

I haven’t owned a home in years but when I did I don’t recall there being a clause in the mortgage that guaranteed the house I was buying was always going to be worth as much or more than I what I paid for it. Maybe in Wonderland they have mortgages like that, but not in America.

scalleywag on August 5, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Rush is talking about this right now.

kingsjester on August 5, 2010 at 12:18 PM

GO RUSH ! whew !! it’s getting out !!

pambi on August 5, 2010 at 12:18 PM

US Treasury = Obama/Democrats PAC to be used to influence elections. Wonderful.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 12:20 PM

We’ve been killing ourselves to pay down our mortgage early. What suckers we’ve been.

Iblis on August 5, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Forgiven or reduced, it is still ultimately taking. The taxpayer is bearing the burden and getting nothing in return.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Lenders can only sell houses for what the market price is. The markdown has already happened. Unless you want these entities to hold the houses for five or ten years (and pay upkeep) hoping that housing prices will rebound.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Here is a Heritage Foundation study from last year that describes what I was talking about:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/04/president-obamas-new-plan-to-decide-where-americans-live-and-how-they-travel

I am still looking for the latest on Dodd’s bill.

onlineanalyst on August 5, 2010 at 12:23 PM

If anything, it’s an anti-takeover.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:38 AM

No- its a gift, purchased with my money and without my consent, with Obama taking credit as the ‘giver’.

LASue on August 5, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Iblis on August 5, 2010 at 12:20 PM
No you are still smart, no matter what happens in politics.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 12:23 PM

I don’t agree with this plan, but would like to pop this bubble that everyone who hasn’t been able to pay their mortgage is some kind of deadbeat who was stupid and bought more house then they could afford.

My wife and I own a small business that we have poured our blood sweat and tears into for the past seven years. We bought our current home 3 years ago (unfortunately at the height of the bubble) with a 30 year fixed rate, and 8% down from the sale of our previous home.

Unfortately we are in the housing/construction industry and were hit extremely hard by the housing downturn. We have managed to keep our business (through making changes, and having to lay-off all our employees) but our home is currently worth less then we own on it. I am not looking for a reduction in principle, but as Countrywide Mortgage lied to us about our mortgage and the fact that BOA has receieved Billions in taxpayer funds, I certainly don’t think it too much to ask for them to negotiate with us on our mortage payment

lahlon on August 5, 2010 at 12:24 PM

This is appalling. I don’t have an FHA loan anyway. Fannie can’t “forgive” my mortgage principal. But I am upside down on it — not underwater, which means you can’t make the payment — but upside down, which means the market value is less than the remaining mortgage principal. Just got notified by the county last week that my property had been reassessed downard — again. Second time in 3 years.

So here I am, Jane Taxpayer, and I get to make good on the written-off mortgage principal of a whole bunch of other buyers with FHA loans, while my own loan can’t be adjusted, and my only serious option is to keep paying it down, as the gap between the loan principal and the market value of my home keeps opening in the wrong direction.

J.E. Dyer on August 5, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Unless you want these entities to hold the houses for five or ten years (and pay upkeep) hoping that housing prices will rebound.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 12:22 PM

I didn’t want the taxpayer to be involved in the first place by bailing out Fannie and Freddy. I wanted the free market to determine the outcome. I also don’t want to throw good money after bad.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Let’s say the mortgage balance is $400K. And market value is $300K. So the Feds reduce the mortgage balance by $100K by writing a check to the lender for $100K in taxpayers money. I would presume the Feds would then receive back all of the first $100K increase in the homes’ future apprecation and $25 % of any additional appreciation as a way to recoup the funds, at time of sale. Other wise this is just another scummy Democratic wealth redisribution con game that Hugo Chavez and Karl Marx would be exceptionaly proud of.

ursa5000 on August 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM

I didn’t want the taxpayer to be involved in the first place by bailing out Fannie and Freddy. I wanted the free market to determine the outcome. I also don’t want to throw good money after bad.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Well, that’s great. But that’s not what happened. So what do you do now? Recognize the asset impairment at one time or dribble it out over a ten year period, continuing an overhang on the market?

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Here is a brief explanation of the Dodd bill: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2010/08/03/Proposed-bill-promotes-sustainable-community-planning/UPI-94721280863778/

The Left has been cooking up this plan for years. They are at war with the suburbs and rural areas, couching their argument via protecting farmlands and natural resources.

Dodd should be behind bars for every manipulation that he has pulled via his senatorial and committee power.

I know that this issue is not directly related to the topic of this thread, but it is all of a piece. Dodd’s bill is heading toward passage under the radar, just as lifting the cap off Fannie and Freddie was done.

onlineanalyst on August 5, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Lenders can only sell houses for what the market price is. The markdown has already happened. Unless you want these entities to hold the houses for five or ten years (and pay upkeep) hoping that housing prices will rebound.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 12:22 PM

If realtors were selling houses at FAIR MARKET VALUE.. then why are we in a housing bubble burst? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Why are appraisers putting houses ABOVE and BEYOND what is concidered FAIR MARKET VALUE? hmmmmmmmmmmm

Jimbo, admit it. You don’t own a house. Because if you did, you would KNOW THIS!

Just shut up and go to a corner.

upinak on August 5, 2010 at 12:38 PM

it will work for Mortgages like the Stimulus did for Real estate.

and hells bells, why stop there? I want a freaking FREE MORTGAGE…………….Why can’t I get help with my mortgage?

DOTUS………..24/7

PappyD61 on August 5, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Unless you want these entities to hold the houses for five or ten years (and pay upkeep) hoping that housing prices will rebound.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 12:22 PM

You don’t really want to know, but I would attempt to apply tried and true principles that have WORKED in the past. These do not include redistribution of wealth from the taxpayers to borrowers that cannot pay their debts. We already have bankruptcy laws for a reason. Stuff happens.

txmomof6 on August 5, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Jimbo3 – Give me your address and I’ll forward my monthly mortgage payment stubs to you for you to pay on my behalf. Oh….and another thing. Please make g**dam* sure every payment is made on time – I’d hate for you to screw up my present very good credit rating

alwyr on August 5, 2010 at 12:40 PM

pop this bubble that everyone who hasn’t been able to pay their mortgage is some kind of deadbeat who was stupid and bought more house then they could afford.

I agree. My brother works his a$$ off for 30 years and now finds himself behind on his payments and facing foreclosure. But not only is it not the government’s responsibility to help him renegotiate his mortgage, helping one percent of the population with their mortgage and not another is stupid and unfair.

scalleywag on August 5, 2010 at 12:45 PM

Can someone please explain to these IDIOTS that it’s not THEIR money to decide to “forgive”? What about all those people whose pensions, and funds are INVESTED in Fannie and Freddie (because they are so “stable”)? What happens to those investments? What happens to any return on those investments? Is it just not paid? Do they get their principal back, or will they be “upside down” in that investment?

This is like that whole bond holders with GM thing. Another way to screw anyone who has money invested with the end result being… there won’t be any more investments in these types of instruments.

UGH! Freaking idiots!!!

UnderstandingisPower on August 5, 2010 at 12:46 PM

Was the Second Amendment written to guaruntee consent of the governed or to guaruntee the right to individual target practice?

Rea1ityCheck on August 5, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Most of the commenters here are contradictory in your philosophies. It is so freakin’ ridiculous to read. Most of you have been all for the gov propping-up homebuyers “about to lose their homes”…..with no end in sight of the propping-up (or until the economy gets better or other such BS), because you all buy into the “catastrophic destruction of our economy if all these people lost their homes” BS. Same thing with all of you advocating the bailout/TARP because of all the numerous BS reasons why the economy would have been destroyed without it.

Most of you are all-for gov intervention, and buy into the “emergency” BS, unless it is an intervention that you particularly don’t agree with. You don’t put up enough of a fuss to crush the possiblity, because you stupidly agree with the underlying principle, just not the application.

What a joke.

nottakingsides on August 5, 2010 at 12:53 PM

This may explain the story I read yesterday on high volume trading going on with FNMA and FMAC. The URL seems to be forbidden at this site, but if you google the title “For Fannie Stock, Even Betting Pennies Is a Risk”.

I wonder how much of the volume is from government insiders trading?

slickwillie2001 on August 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM

We got into this debacle because government meddling in the house market. It should be plainly obvious to everyone now that Obama wants to destroy this country through the usual liberal ignorance of basic economic reality.

pedestrian on August 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Super idea! Let’s finance it with our 401ks!

Little Boomer on August 5, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Hey, here’s something that the geniuses in the regime and people like the dimwitted Jimbo haven’t thought about I guess:

Let’s say I owe $250K on my house b/c I’m an idiot and bought something I could barely afford at the top of the market and then took out a HELOC so I could buy granite countertops and a new car and a vacation to Disney World. Now my house is worth half that much. So the feds oh-so-generously forgive $125K of my debt so I’m now even-steven on my house.

What do you suppose these homeowners are gonna think when they suddenly have to pay income tax on their regular income PLUS the $125K in forgiven debt?

NoLeftTurn on August 5, 2010 at 12:59 PM

J.E. Dyer on August 5, 2010 at 12:25 PM

You are not alone. I also don’t have an FHA loan and our home lost a little over $60,000 in what would have been equity. Our home is now worth what we owe.

moonsbreath on August 5, 2010 at 12:59 PM

The way I read it, the loan won’t be forgiven in most cases. It will just be reduced so that the loan amount plus equity equals market value. Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM

“The way I read it, abortion and gun control are right here in the constitution..” -Jimbo3.

Akzed on August 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Well looks this lady is right about the repo of her car.. “One day we will be becuse we have Barack Obama.PS..Sums it up well don’t you think.

Dire Straits on August 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Oh the folks that walked away from their homes in the last 24 months will just love this plan. They will feel all warm and fuzzy sitting in their apartments as Uncle Sugah takes money out of their pocket to save someone elses house.

I’m investing in pitchforks. Bet the price triples in two months.

Limerick on August 5, 2010 at 1:02 PM

We need a kwl hip-hop name for Obama and Holder. Something like “Sh8kdwn Korpse”.

OxyCon on August 5, 2010 at 1:02 PM

So here I am, Jane Taxpayer, and I get to make good on the written-off mortgage principal of a whole bunch of other buyers with FHA loans, while my own loan can’t be adjusted, and my only serious option is to keep paying it down, as the gap between the loan principal and the market value of my home keeps opening in the wrong direction.

J.E. Dyer on August 5, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Don’t worry, if Obama does this with Fannie/Freddie he will mau-mau the banks and private investors who own the rest of the loans to do likewise.

I’m the one who gets screwed here – my house is still worth more than I paid for it in 2004, but I’ve only worked for 7 months out of the last two years and have gone through all of my savings to keep up the payments. I’m out of work again with very little prospect of finding another job, since I work in the mortgage industry and it is in the toilet again. I have a very low interest rate already and the loan modification programs won’t help me. I can’t sell my house, because it needs about $25,000 of work done to make it competitive with the dozens of other homes in this range that are on the market now because everyone else is also out of work and trying to sell. I don’t have the $25k to do the work. And my credit score is shot because I have maxed out everything trying to stay afloat, so even if I could sell it I wouldn’t be able to buy or even rent another house.

I need a JOB. I don’t need a taxpayer bailout!!!

rockmom on August 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM

And, to the extent that the federal government has already guaranteed the obligations of Fannie and Freddy, the government is probably already on the hook for most of the economic impact of the underwater mortgages.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM

If they have, they have already exceeded their mandate. Please read the legislation and discussion prior to the creation of Fann and Fred. Any guarantee was explicitly denied.

Vashta.Nerada on August 5, 2010 at 1:06 PM

What do you suppose these homeowners are gonna think when they suddenly have to pay income tax on their regular income PLUS the $125K in forgiven debt?

NoLeftTurn on August 5, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Congress fixed that last year. Forgiven debts are not taxed as income anymore. Isn’t that great??? :rolleyes

rockmom on August 5, 2010 at 1:06 PM

ZeroHedge seems to have an apt reaction:

At this point one thing is certain: as long as the Treasury can keep issuing trillions in new debt without a glitch, there will be nothing to stop the administration, now in its pre-midterm death throes, from throwing the kitchen sinks, and 9 other it bought on margin, at every imaginable problem. The Obama administration is about to take this country down in flames by spending hundreds of billions, trillions, tens of trillions on anything and everything, just like your garden variety drowning man clutches at straws. And as long as the Fed has the bond vigilantes locked up, kneecapped and ball-and-gagged in its basement, there is nothing at all that can be done: we suggest leaning back in your favorite made in China chair and watching the nation”s slow motion collapse as it unravels before our very eyes.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/forget-instarefi-here-comes-instaloanforgiveness

r keller on August 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM

So…..

A. trash the house

B. get an appraisal

C. submit it to Uncle Sugah

D. lower your payment

All the flim flam potential that any good hard working crook could ever ask for.

Limerick on August 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM

I wish I’d bought a more expensive house on the water when I had a chance. Now I won’t get any of that free Obama money…

elfman on August 5, 2010 at 1:11 PM

In a world devoid of principles, where “reality is negotiable”, where words like “Marriage” and “Racism” are stripped of their meaning for temporary political gain..

Republicans and the Tea Party should create a united brand as “The party of NO!”. Even if it means losing the mid-terms and the next presidency.

Done properly, championing long-term economic stability, may only temporarily marginalize the brand. If we stick by our guns, defend the brand, and consistently and ostracize compromisers, then we – and I do mean WE – can win.

(I can’t be sure we will. The snarks can shoot this down as suicidal, etc..) Screw ‘em, I’d rather go down this way than continuing as we have.. cynically at best (E.g., with darling Basil..)

Quetzal on August 5, 2010 at 1:13 PM

Hey, here’s something that the geniuses in the regime and people like the dimwitted Jimbo haven’t thought about I guess:

Let’s say I owe $250K on my house b/c I’m an idiot and bought something I could barely afford at the top of the market and then took out a HELOC so I could buy granite countertops and a new car and a vacation to Disney World. Now my house is worth half that much. So the feds oh-so-generously forgive $125K of my debt so I’m now even-steven on my house.

What do you suppose these homeowners are gonna think when they suddenly have to pay income tax on their regular income PLUS the $125K in forgiven debt?

NoLeftTurn on August 5, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Hey, I’d take that deal and smile at having to pay the income tax on the forgiven debt. It’s a heck of a lot better than actually having to pay the full amount back.

The problem is, many of us would have loved to use our inflated equity to buy new cars, take trips, make home improvements, etc. But we didn’t becuase we knew it would be irresponsible. We knew there was a bubble. We knew homes weren’t worth what they were selling for and so we kept our hands in our pockets and resisted the temptation to splurge. Now these people are having the Government pick up the tab for their reckless behavior. They get to keep the cars, home improvements, etc.

This is a perfect prescription for major social discontent. Some people are getting six figures kisses from the Feds for being irresponsible while responsible people get nothing and in fact, have to help pay for the kiss.

This is insane and dangerous. Mark my words. If this goes through there will be consequences that are currently not being taken into consideration.

TheBigOldDog on August 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Lenders can only sell houses for what the market price is. The markdown has already happened. Unless you want these entities to hold the houses for five or ten years (and pay upkeep) hoping that housing prices will rebound.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 12:22 PM

You are clueless. The only people hurt in all of this are those who have paid their mortgages on time and whose properties are now undervalued because of people who have defaulted. If you want the housing market to stabilize, you do that by not further punishing the private sector with additional taxes, regulations and other burdens. If government would get the f*** out of the way, banks would turn loose of their cash and start lending again, businesses would start hiring, people would have jobs and money to buy houses!

Heaven almighty, it is just mind-blowing to me how common sense is lost on the liberal mind.

NoLeftTurn on August 5, 2010 at 1:17 PM

Bummer, I just re-fi’d my 80/20 loan by paying OFF the 20% at closing on my new, 2 points lower interest rate loan, and put an additional 3% down on a new, lower loan balance than what was on the 80% part of my old loan.

Silly me, I could have just saved $50K and let the government do it!!.

No wait, I believe in small government, so this whole concept just pisses me off. I busted my butt for 3 years to acculumlate the cash to redo this loan. I was trying to beat the increased interest rates that I am expecting as a result of Obamanomics. I am now kind of pissed that 15 year fixed loans are now under 4%. I was thrilled to get my 4.375% loan back in early May.

I am hoping this proposal causes the tide to turn on the Senate races to the Republicans run the table on all 11 elections that are in play. This is exhausting, trying to save our republic!! I could have saved that $50K and contributed to a lot of key races instead. Sigh.

karenhasfreedom on August 5, 2010 at 1:17 PM

TheBigOldDog on August 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM

The point is, if you had the money to pay the tax bill on $125K, you are probably not struggling to pay your mortgage in the first place. The majority of people who are defaulting don’t have two nickels to rub together; how are they going to come up with an additional $40K for the tax man?

NoLeftTurn on August 5, 2010 at 1:19 PM

Jimbo3, let me explain this to you.

Fannie and Freddie were taken over by the government in July 2008. Since then they have lost a combined $145 billion as their default rate approaches 20% (histrically it was less than 5%.) They are still buying about 85% of all mortgages written in the U.S. Their combined portfolios are around $5.6 trillion. The U.S. government now owns this.

The latest surveys I have found suggest that about 25% of all mortgages in the U.S. are underwater. I’m guessing this percentage is probably in the ballpark for Fan and Fred as well. Do the math. We are talking about close to a trillion dollars in potential writedowns of mortgage principal. This is real money that is owed by real people and will not be paid back to US, the taxpayers. And no matter what Obama may say when he announces this, it will cost WAY more than whatever he says it will cost. The initial estimates on the cost of the takeover of Fan and Fred were less than $100 billion, and we’ve already close to doubled that.

The really unforgivable part of this is that Congress and the Adminstration have conspired to keep Fannie and Freddie out of the official federal budget. The deficit numbers you have seen should actually have been increased by $145 billion to account for the Fan/Fred losses, but they haven’t been. The additional losses from these writedowns will add to the actual deficit, but Obama won’t have to count them and the Democrats in Congress won’t have to be accountable for them to the voters in November.

rockmom on August 5, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Add me to the list of chumps who will not get a bailout. I guess it comes down to how many of each category of mortgage there are. One thing’s for sure, IMO. It will be a very devisive act, further widening the gulf between factions.

JimP on August 5, 2010 at 1:30 PM

$10 says my parents will be screwed and still have to pay on their $150K mortgage. My parents would never fit a “protected” class

Tim Burton on August 5, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Guess which states have the most number of underwater mortgages?

Nevada 609,577 47.8%
Michigan 1,145,572 38.6%
Arizona 1,287,076 29.2%
Florida 4,248,470 29.2%
California 6,461,981 27.4%
Georgia 1,456,327 23.2%
Ohio 1,905,000 22%
Colorado 1,045,773 18.3%
NH 144,479 17.2%
Texas 2,721,638 16.5%

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/real-estate/480600-underwater-loan-info-state.html#ixzz0vkp2ff1i

No, this has NOTHING to do with the elections coming up….nothing to see here….move along….

rockmom on August 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Congress fixed that last year. Forgiven debts are not taxed as income anymore. Isn’t that great??? :rolleyes

rockmom on August 5, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Are you serious? Unbelievable. No, wait: Actually it’s not hard to believe at all. But just as maddening.

Sounds like you are in a similar situation to the one I’m in. I have a condo I inherited, no mortgage on it but of course there are other costs like HOA, taxes, insurance. The market in Florida is so depressed at this point (hey, Charlie Crist, how about pretending to be governor once in while?) that properties in my market are selling — when they sell — at a fraction of the appraised value. The reason is, no one can borrow money to buy so it’s basically a glut of homes on the market and only cash buyers to buy them. Supply is greatly outpacing demand. And this is exasperated by those bank-owned properties that are on the market for pennies on the dollar. I have only worked part-time or freelance for the last two and a half years. I can pay for the thing, but it’s a struggle when you’re not making a steady income. I would sell it if I could just find a buyer! And now my HOA is filing with the court to be able to get judgments against those homeowners who aren’t paying their condo fees. They are unable to meet operating expenses b/c people aren’t paying. Is the govt. going to start bailing these HOAs out as well? How about just getting people back to work so they can pay their bills?

NoLeftTurn on August 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM

My wife and I are married less than 2 years; we decided to wait on buying a house (despite low mortgage rates) because we were uncertain of job stability and housing values.
Now it looks like the inevitable tax increases to pay for this monstrosity (more like “Aliens” abortion) will make it harder for us so we can pay for others problems.
Thanks Obummer.

mad scientist on August 5, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Guess which states have the most number of underwater mortgages?

Georgia 1,456,327 23.2%

rockmom on August 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM

I live in Georgia and where I live most of the empty homes were due to illegals leaving when the drought hit two years ago. My next door neighbor was here from Guatamala and when his lawn business dried up he held yard sales and just left. They didn’t even try to sell the house.

If this goes through, I think I’ll just quit paying my mortgage and credit cards.

moonsbreath on August 5, 2010 at 1:51 PM

The way I read it, the loan won’t be forgiven in most cases. It will just be reduced so that the loan amount plus equity equals market value.

Jimbo3 on August 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM

What equity??

belad on August 5, 2010 at 1:53 PM

belad on August 5, 2010 at 1:53 PM

Good point. Those hundreds of billions spent will take you on the long uphill climb to zero equity.

mad scientist on August 5, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Can’t pass a new stimulus in Congress?

No major corporation in big enough trouble (now that they’ve slashed payrolls to get profitable) to scream the sky is falling?

Don’t worry, have we got a deal for you! We’ve already built a slush fund to buy votes by not returning all this unspent TARP and stimulus money! We can pump tens of billions of borrowed or printed dollars into the economy!

Rush L. warned us that the language at the front of TARP basically giving the treasury secretary “God” powers would lead to this. Can you imagine the fallout if Bush had refused to sign TARP because of the power given to treasury? Yet, that failure of political courage now allows Obamessiah to have a trillion dollars of unregulated, unfettered money (our future debt) to “play” with and buy votes and make it look like he’s taking action even if those darned GOP won’t let him pass more stimulus.

Obama/Geithner/Bernanke wanted the banks to spend the billions they gave them and pump those printed dollars into the economy, but the banks left that money in the vaults at the fed and never used it, thus not creating the massive inflation the axis of evil wanted to devalue our debt. They are desperate to double or triple the amount of dollars floating around the economy to create a Weimar Republic type monetary crisis. But they have to do it in a way that the general public doesn’t understand the cause, other than it was “Bush wrecked the economy.”

To do this they have to increase the $860 Billion in currency currently in the economy up to double or triple that. It can’t be just electronic transactions. So they will take all that money printed for TARP that the banks never doled out, as they wanted, and find some other way to dump it into the economy.

So, banks wouldn’t take the dollars, how about Fannie and Freddie investors. Let’s pay them Billions in cash and hopefully they will spend it!

PastorJon on August 5, 2010 at 1:59 PM

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