Obama WH spends $22 million to train workers …

posted at 2:55 pm on August 4, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

As I noted earlier, Democrats plan to punish businesses that locate higher-paying manufacturing jobs overseas with higher taxes.  What will they do with a White House that will spend $22 million to train programmers in Java — and English — in Asia?  The program from USAID will train 3,000 programmers to compete for business in the high-tech sector:

Despite President Obama’s pledge to retain more hi-tech jobs in the U.S., a federal agency run by a hand-picked Obama appointee has launched a $22 million program to train workers, including 3,000 specialists in IT and related functions, in South Asia.

Following their training, the tech workers will be placed with outsourcing vendors in the region that provide offshore IT and business services to American companies looking to take advantage of the Asian subcontinent’s low labor costs.

Information Week notes that the effort complicates the White House effort to sound the protectionist bell on economics:

But it’s the outsourcing program that’s sure to draw the most fire from critics. While Obama acknowledged that occupations such as garment making don’t add much value to the U.S. economy, he argued relentlessly during his presidential run that lawmakers needed to do more to keep hi-tech jobs in IT, biological sciences, and green energy in the country.

He also accused the Bush administration of creating tax loopholes that made it easier for U.S. companies to place work offshore in low-cost countries.

As recently as Monday, Obama, speaking at a Democratic fundraiser in Atlanta, boasted about his efforts to reduce offshoring. The President said he’s implemented “a plan that’s focused on making our middle class more secure and our country more competitive in the long run — so that the jobs and industries of the future aren’t all going to China and India, but are being created right here in the United States of America.”

So did the White House oppose outsourcing before they supported it?  That sounds even more Kerry-esque than reviving “Benedict Arnold CEOs” to attack people reacting rationally to the destructive tax and regulatory policies pursued by the US government.

We compete in a global marketplace, and outsourcing will happen when American labor gets too expensive.  That natural process hardly needs assistance from tax funds taken in part from American corporations to train the competition.  There may be good reason to provide aid to Sri Lanka and help them develop their economy, but one cannot make that argument at the same time that they also castigate businesses for doing the same damned thing.


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I just wanted to say, “Being president sucks big Atomic Fireballs”.

You have no idea.

tree hugging sister on August 4, 2010 at 2:59 PM

*facepalm*

He’s already ruining the health care industry and several other industries, so why not ruin mine as well?

teke184 on August 4, 2010 at 2:59 PM

I have to say this makes so little sense, unless its about currying favor overseas by giving away taxpayer money.

rob verdi on August 4, 2010 at 2:59 PM

this guy is horrible

blatantblue on August 4, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Must not say what needs be said here.

Will only say that until they’ve given $22million to every damn unemployed US citizen and every damn US small business owner on the verge of closing up shop, then the *next* $22million has no damn business being sent to some damn foreign country.

Midas on August 4, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Well, why not train workers in Asia? That’s where the jobs are.

Emperor Norton on August 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Move foreign population into country. Tax populace to pay costs of assimilating foreign population. Tax populace again for cost of eporting economy. Do not prosecute terrorists.

GTR640 on August 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

eporting exporting

GTR640 on August 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM

3000 employees, divided by 22,000,000.00 = 7333.33 per employee.

So, How long are these classes? Where are they staying? Are they being paid as well as being trained?

This tax payer wants to know.

upinak on August 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Looks like the Obama Smoot-Hawley tariff is getting stuck in his USAID policy?

Smart Power!

ted c on August 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Why is crap like this allowed to happen? Morons!

“Well, why not train workers in Asia? That’s where the jobs are.”

Emperor Norton on August 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Unfortunately, true! But we should NOT be paying for training there, ever!

GFW on August 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM

I have to say this makes so little sense, unless its about currying favor overseas by giving away taxpayer money.

rob verdi on August 4, 2010

Maybe he’s trying to bribe some asian country to take him in when we finally run his nasty, Kenyan a$$ out of the US.

Extrafishy on August 4, 2010 at 3:03 PM

NASA works on their self esteem…USAID works on their job skills….and you and I get to pay for it!

what a deal.

ted c on August 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Democrats: Because wasting your money buying votes is more important that you spending it on your family.

Chip on August 4, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Obama=Puppet.

Who pulls the strings?

Inanemergencydial on August 4, 2010 at 3:05 PM

*Moves to S. E. Asia*

BrideOfRove on August 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Wait…so the plan is to train foreigners in skills that will make it more attractive for domestic companies to outsource jobs to those foreign firms?

And we’re paying for it? And there is no guarantee that those foreign firms won’t use their employees new expertise to attract, say, British companies rather than U.S.?

Thanks 52%’ers, your wisdom is really paying off now isn’t it?

Bishop on August 4, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Waiting for those Obama shills to get on in here, and defend this. C’mon. We’re waaaaaaaaaaiting! *taps foot*

capejasmine on August 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM

You know for every one of these nuggets there’s a lobbyist,staffer,politician…CROOK getting greased for it.

BigWyo on August 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Plane ticket to Asia, Indonesia = 2300 round trip.

upinak on August 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Following their training, the tech workers will be placed with outsourcing vendors in the region that provide offshore IT and business services to American companies looking to take advantage of the Asian subcontinent’s low labor costs.

So these will be the folks that walk us through the health care maze?

fourdeucer on August 4, 2010 at 3:09 PM

C’mon now. They were all over the threads, spinning the outcome of Missouri citizens stance on Obama care. They mangled it over, and over to fit their narrative, and defended it to mean it was against the mandate and not the overall health care law. Why not defend this? Hmmmmmmmm? It means YOUR jobs too.

capejasmine on August 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM

this guy is horrible

blatantblue on August 4, 2010 at 3:00 PM

That’s probably the nicest thing anyone could say about him.

darwin on August 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Redistribution of American wealth…international style.

marybel on August 4, 2010 at 3:13 PM

I talked to Patrick from India this morning when my broadband went down. He was very nice and very considerate as we went through the rebooting process, which I had already done once before. We reconfigured my modem but he then had to hand it off to someone else and Bill, from St. Louis called me back.

I explained everything to him and he said he’d call me back in 15 minutes. Ten minutes later he called back and I was in business. It was a switching problem which was related to all of the power interruptions we are having due to the dreadful heat.

I think we need to use that money to train more local people to handle the local tech problems.

Vince on August 4, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Why does the Obama regime hate America so much?

tarpon on August 4, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Send this info to every tech person you know!

Educate your liberal friends.

Activate your conservative friends.

We need to make sure that everybody is ready to vote properly in November.

wren on August 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

I am waiting for the multi-millions spent on training Mexicans how to sneak into the US more safely….

albill on August 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

What complete lunacy. Why are we training the competition for MY WORK? IN ANOTHER COUNTRY!!!

FOR 22 MILLION?

And why do we have ANY h1-b visas?

dogsoldier on August 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Hurray. I now get to compete directly against people in other countries trained up with my own taxes.

EFF THIS GOVERNMENT.

WitchDoctor on August 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

I waiting for the Sharia law job training class done by NASA.

Oil Can on August 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

A whole new level of outsourcing…at the very top. This cannot possibly end well.

Dark-Star on August 4, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Send this info to every tech person you know!

Heck, send this to every union person you know!

Vince on August 4, 2010 at 3:18 PM

November couldn’t come soon enough.

Sleep tight, liberals.

You-Eh-Vee on August 4, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Ed, I didn’t realize you were against free trade. This move is part of aid to Sri Lanka, and at the same time helps American companies by increasing their pool of cheap labor.

To be critical of this move, you have to be against either free trade or aid to Sri Lanka. It doesn’t like you’re against either one; you just wanted to criticize Obama for doing something that goes against previous populist rhetoric that every politician uses, when in fact you should be welcoming this.

tneloms on August 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Ed, I know you know this already, but tax funds aren’t taken from companies. They are collected from companies who in turn collect them from consumers/employees (i.e., us). We’re the ones paying the freight for this training (or at least our grandkids are).

Rufus on August 4, 2010 at 3:23 PM

To be critical of this move, you have to be against either free trade

Let’s get something straight right now. “Free trade” is most certainly not free. It has cost us a great deal of talented labor, even to the point of collapsing entire industries.

Dark-Star on August 4, 2010 at 3:24 PM

Obamateurism of the week, at least.

My face is wearing out from all the facepalms.

NeighborhoodCatLady on August 4, 2010 at 3:26 PM

It’s about time to stop all foreign aid until we get our country back in order. This is insane.

WisCon on August 4, 2010 at 3:26 PM

tneloms on August 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Free trade does not require the US govt to spend money to train workers abroad. Subsidies /= free trade.

Ed Morrissey on August 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM

(whups, hit the button too soon)

This move is part of aid to Sri Lanka, and at the same time helps American companies by increasing their pool of cheap labor.

American companies don’t need more cheap labor. We’ve got on the order of 20 million too many cheap laborers of questionable legality, besides millions of actual citizens displaced from better jobs.

There has got to be a better way to ‘aid’ poor nations than to ship them positions that are badly needed right here.

Dark-Star on August 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Well, we did outsource the presidency.

bloviator on August 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Is it 2012 yet?

cmsinaz on August 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM

..per usual, I am probably going off half-cocked here, but I have worked as a software developer (programmer) for 40 years and went through one of these “off-shoring” cycles back in the 2000-2002 period.

The point of the exercise is to use CHEAPER 3rd-world programming resources to save money. What makes it work, Obama, you numb-nutted, mouth-breathing, mirror-fogging incompetent boob, is that the 3rd world programmers , Bapu, and May Ling, *already* know how to write Java, C++, assembler, whatever. The are already schooled in .Net, ODBC, JDBC, and the other mysto-crapola that make up this discipline.

If you need people who don’t know that sh*t, then why not spend the gitas training ‘Murricans in stead of throwing it off-shore where there’s no payback.

By the way, when management sent their codebases off-shore, they found out that (1) the stuff being written was absolute parrot feces, and (2) the Indian and Chinese software developers did not adhere to NDAs AT ALL. As the programmers salaries rose (by switching companies), one found many, many companies suddenly had competing products — somehow strangely reminiscent of the off-shored U.S. product..

..and, of course, 3rd world intellectual property enforcement sucked fetid swamp water.

..or am I having a Roseanne Roseannadanna moment here?

..Nevermind!

(Afterthought: Java sucks! Any language that does garbage collection sucks. Java, write once, run everywhere..more like write once, debug everywhere.)

The War Planner on August 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Why does the Obama regime hate America so much?

tarpon on August 4, 2010 at 3:14 PM

he doesn’t. He loves America, he just hates “Americans.” You see, America is great–because it is one huge round big ol’ t!tty for him and his leeches to suckle onto. We’re nothing more than gas money for him to drive his car, drive his programs. He gets the keys, he decides where he goes, and we are the gas station and the credit card for his little boondoggles. Vacations and all.

sucky suck!!

ted c on August 4, 2010 at 3:28 PM

bah. $22 million is nothing. They Senate just moved forward on a $26 BILLION aid package for states and local governments. It is, of course, all about saving the teachers, police and firefighters. There won’t be any largesse from THIS relief fund.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40636.html

hawksruleva on August 4, 2010 at 3:30 PM

tneloms on August 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Wow, are you seriously confused. Its up to Sri Lanka to train people in Sri Lanka (or where ever). It is not up to my government to train slave laborers to take my work.

As a previous (and very astute) poster pointed out, my tax money is being used to put me out of work.

dogsoldier on August 4, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Coming up, the airline bailout that includes flying unemployed workers to Asia for job training.

hawksruleva on August 4, 2010 at 3:31 PM

(Afterthought: Java sucks! Any language that does garbage collection sucks. Java, write once, run everywhere..more like write once, debug everywhere.)

The War Planner on August 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM

I personally wish I could wave a magic wand and erase Visual Basic, myself. “Virtual Bull$h!t” is but one of the names I’ve heard fellow techies throw about!

Dark-Star on August 4, 2010 at 3:31 PM

The US does spend stupid amounts of $$ on aid to other countries through the State Dept. It’s always a carrot-n-stick relationship–where we gives some carrots (money for training) and take back the carrot if we need something else. This is not new news. However, when the policy of the administration is an isolationist, protectionist and Smoot Hawley policy to increase manufacturing through increased MN corporate taxes (as in those that would be employing said trainees in IT) then this is pure hypocrisy, incompetence and wasted money. Why pay a trainee to get trained to do business internationally then penalize that employees company with a tariff to do business with the US? It’s utter lunacy.

ted c on August 4, 2010 at 3:31 PM

The War Planner on August 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Well said.

dogsoldier on August 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM

There’s some bipartisanship for ya.

midlander on August 4, 2010 at 3:34 PM

OT: Uh Oh – Dems are birthers too

15% percent of Democrats think Obama was “probably” or “definitely” born in another country

faraway on August 4, 2010 at 3:34 PM

a federal agency run by a hand-picked Obama appointee

nuff said…

cmsinaz on August 4, 2010 at 3:37 PM

At this rate, Picard will have a permanent dent in his forehead…

PatriotRider on August 4, 2010 at 3:38 PM

These must be the programmers that are collecting all the comments on conservatives blogs for Slate/WaPo

faraway on August 4, 2010 at 3:38 PM

The way they spend money the 22 million will probably train four new developers. How will they list that on Bozo’s fake recovery website (the one he built for 18 million more than it actually cost) ?

dogsoldier on August 4, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, and the other members of the Congressional Black Caucus were unavailable for comment.

Has anyone contacted Jesse Jackson for his reaction?

BuckeyeSam on August 4, 2010 at 3:43 PM

To be critical of this move, you have to be against either free trade or aid to Sri Lanka. It doesn’t

Or, you know, employed as a programmer.

Re: earlier comments regarding garbage collection: well, IMHO, garbage collection is the compiler’s job, just like pointer arithmetic. Only a C programmer would think that the first element in an array is the zero-eth element, lol.

WitchDoctor on August 4, 2010 at 3:48 PM

The War Planner on August 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Well said.

dogsoldier on August 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of interpretive byte code, I shall fear no evil. For I am the biggest bad*ss C++ C FORTRAN assembly language programmer in the valley.

My collie says:

Obama blames it all on Bush in 5…4…3…2…1…

CyberCipher on August 4, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Does Obama know what country he’s President of? Maybe he’s confused.

theCork on August 4, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Does Obama know what country he’s President of? Maybe he’s confused.

theCork on August 4, 2010 at 3:52 PM

President of the World…there is no one country for him

cmsinaz on August 4, 2010 at 3:55 PM

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allstonian on August 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM

WTF…!

Badbrucskie on August 4, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Smart power!

milwife88 on August 4, 2010 at 4:05 PM

F U Obama.

portlandon on August 4, 2010 at 4:06 PM

“‘ello. bMy nem is Rrrrah-jer”

AubieJon on August 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM

And why do we have ANY h1-b visas?

dogsoldier on August 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM

We have H1B visas so that – once trained – these poeple can come to the U.S. and Microsoft and HP can lay off U.S. citizens and hire these people for less.

bw222 on August 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM

3000 employees, divided by 22,000,000.00 = 7333.33 per employee.

upinak on August 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM

$22,000,000.00 divided by 3000 employees = $7333.33/employee.

pain train on August 4, 2010 at 4:09 PM

Pimping with our taxes, the thugs…

WASHINGTON — Was it not enough for President Obama to saddle future Americans with billions of dollars in new health benefits and entitlements that they simply cannot afford?

He also had to go and corrupt one of America’s most beloved figures of the last half-century. And stick you with the $700,000 bill.

Before Obama started pimping him out last week to sell the highly unpopular health-care law, actor Andy Griffith was about as all-American as you could get.

Schadenfreude on August 4, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Hey, it’s almost like he’s in cahoots with Big Business or something!

We’re assuming that the money is actually for training–it could be to pay off radical causes offshore.

PattyJ on August 4, 2010 at 4:11 PM

tneloms on August 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Is that like Klingon for ‘I welcome my new socialist overlord’?

BigWyo on August 4, 2010 at 4:12 PM

Anyone who hasn’t seen this Onion clip:

More American Workers Outsourcing Own Jobs Overseas

Must check it out. It’s hysterical.

pain train on August 4, 2010 at 4:18 PM

We’re assuming that the money is actually for training–it could be to pay off radical causes offshore.

PattyJ on August 4, 2010 at 4:11 PM

No, I’m sure this wad of cash is to train the workers…we’re already sending huge gobs to the Palestinians.

AUINSC on August 4, 2010 at 4:19 PM

My company outsourced Java development to a former Warsaw-pact country years ago. I wonder if they’ll find a way to justify fining us?

Kafir on August 4, 2010 at 4:26 PM

test-and if it goes through, here in Erie PA it’s happened for about 9 years.

ProudPalinFan on August 4, 2010 at 4:29 PM

My face is wearing out from all the facepalms.

NeighborhoodCatLady on August 4, 2010 at 3:26 PM

Shoot, it looks like I’ve been hitting a prayer rug…

karl9000 on August 4, 2010 at 4:29 PM

I personally wish I could wave a magic wand and erase Visual Basic, myself. “Virtual Bull$h!t” is but one of the names I’ve heard fellow techies throw about!

Dark-Star on August 4, 2010 at 3:31 PM

I can’t knock VB *too* hard. The shop I’m in picked up a COTS package written in VB shortly after I got hired and, because I had VB experience, I’m above the curve on fixing all the bugs introduced by our wonderful vendors and their product updates :eyeroll:

It’s not always fun, but at least it ensures job security.

teke184 on August 4, 2010 at 4:34 PM

My 9-yo loves Age of Empires, kicks butt at HALO, so we talked about that. Because if it was for me, I’d drop him in the Pentagon and the world will be either fixed, or annihilated!/sarc

So we had the “career” talk, and after watching the new HALO that’s gonna come out in the fall and he saw all those engineers/developers/programmers out there, I told him those are the careers he could be great at, since HE ALREADY FOUND A BUG IN A DISNEY GAME.

I have been told I’d be good at IT. Math sucks for me, but this career killer will affect future generations, if not stopped soon. BTW who’s the expert genius that will handle this task? I will go on a limb that Glenn Beck will say Van Jones.

ProudPalinFan on August 4, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Dumb, dumb unions!

Don’t they remember NAFA? Bubba was all for it. Don’t realize that their Dem buddies will gladly sell them out as fast as they will buy an imported item? The example above is just another case. Don’t they know what 12 MILLION or so illegals does to labor supply?

Reactionaries like me will be inside the walls, fellas, and guards work cheap.

Where are you gonna be?

IlikedAUH2O on August 4, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Nothing like competition at 10 bucks an hour. Thanks, Obama!

JimK on August 4, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Obama=Puppet.

Who pulls the strings?

Inanemergencydial on August 4, 2010 at 3:05 PM

S O R O S

IowaWoman on August 4, 2010 at 4:59 PM

It seems to me we could save serious coin outsourcing ceos. I bet there is some guy in India that will drive GM into the ground for $500/year and free rice. Same with Goldman Sachs and all the zombie banks.

Jeff2161 on August 4, 2010 at 5:03 PM

For many decades, the position of the US government has been to take money from US labor and use it to create competition for their job skills in foreign markets. Importing labor and exporting jobs has been a major goal for those in congress that thrive on the kickbacks from companies that want cheap government supported labor.

Every excuse from ‘international diplomacy’ to ‘those jobs do not matter’ has been used over the decades.

Those same politicians point to a shrinking middle class and look for a scapegoat to cover their tracks. Democrats, like Feinstein who pushes H1-B’s instead of education, blame ‘the rich’. Republicans, like Graham, point to ‘jobs americans are not willing to do’ as their excuse.

At the end of the day, the people of the US need to remove all of the special interest politicians from office and END these labor market distorting activities.

Someone should ask Obama why he is not training people in Van Jones’s home of Oakland California for these jobs! They have an unspeakably high unemployment rate and a terrible school system.

Freddy on August 4, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Why not train Coked Up Monkeys in Asia to be programmers so we can kill two birds with one Porkulus stone?

bobnox on August 4, 2010 at 5:59 PM

So did the White House oppose outsourcing before they supported it?

So I know who’s a$$ to kick…

Mr_Magoo on August 4, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Free trade does not require the US govt to spend money to train workers abroad. Subsidies /= free trade.

Ed Morrissey on August 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM

No, of course not. I’m not saying that these subsidies constitute free trade.

The reason the US govt is spending this money is because it wants to give aid to Sri Lanka. I assume you’re not against that. If Sri Lanka had the resources to do this itself, then this would help the US in the way that free trade normally helps the US (this is not really disputed by economists on either side). So the US is (a) giving aid to Sri Lanka, and (b) helping itself via the normal avenues that free trade helps the US. If you’re against this then you either don’t want to give aid to Sri Lanka, or you don’t agree that having better trained Sri Lankans helps the US (which should mean you’re against free trade in general).

tneloms on August 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM

Wow, are you seriously confused. Its up to Sri Lanka to train people in Sri Lanka (or where ever). It is not up to my government to train slave laborers to take my work.

As a previous (and very astute) poster pointed out, my tax money is being used to put me out of work.

dogsoldier on August 4, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Your tax money is being used as aid to Sri Lanka. If you’re against that, then fine, but I’m for it. Sri Lanka having better trained people helps the US, for the same reason that free trade in general helps the US.

tneloms on August 4, 2010 at 7:11 PM

Let’s get something straight right now. “Free trade” is most certainly not free. It has cost us a great deal of talented labor, even to the point of collapsing entire industries.

Dark-Star on August 4, 2010 at 3:24 PM

I’m not going to dig up lots of references right now, but almost all economists across the ideological spectrum agree that free trade helps the US. Those economists that make arguments against free trade (Joseph Stiglitz, for example) don’t think it harms the US; they think that it harms smaller countries. There is plenty of evidence that shows that any specific jobs lost when protectionist policies are lifted are made up elsewhere, often almost immediately (“Free Trade Under Fire” has lots of this).

tneloms on August 4, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Why does the Obama [administration] hate America so much?

tarpon on August 4, 2010 at 3:14 PM

I don’t think Obama is very intelligent or much of an independent thinker. He’s imitative, and he has a natural talent for learning to present himself in ways that please the men around him of whom he thinks well, the ones whom he wishes to think well of him.

Kralizec on August 5, 2010 at 2:40 AM