Gibbs on Ground Zero mosque: I’m not going to meddle in local decisions

posted at 8:03 pm on August 3, 2010 by Allahpundit

A nice long punt on today’s decision not to block the new Muslim cultural center two blocks north of Ground Zero by landmarking the site. How radioactive has this issue become? Well, not only is this a rare case of an Obamite wanting to defer to local government, but Gibbsy takes the possibly unprecedented step of favorably citing Bush in order to deflect the question. It’s a surprising cop-out given (a) the beating Obama’s taken from the left in the wake of the Sherrod affair for not speaking out against those darned wingnuts, (b) the fact that, entirely predictably, this has now become a bona fide Teachable Moment on tolerance which The One, one would think, is expected to get in on, and (c) we are, after all, talking about something related to Ground Zero here. Someone must have looked at the polls this morning and figured that weighing in would achieve nothing. Smart move.

Notwithstanding my own opposition to the mosque, I’m glad they didn’t landmark the site. It was a transparent attempt to nullify the owner’s free exercise right, which, as with any right, exists even though it’s exercised in an obnoxious, provocative way. If Rauf wants to set up shop near Ground Zero in the name of “dialogue” despite the fact that, thanks to this clusterfark, everyone is now angrier and less amenable to dialogue than they were before it started, that’s his prerogative, and it’ll also be the mosque’s legacy. Which, I think, is precisely what assimilationists like Zuhdi Jasser were worried about in deciding to oppose it. I leave you with this piece from Dorothy Rabinowitz on the insufferable liberal sneering which has, inevitably, come to characterize this debate, embodied in the person of condescending cretin Mike Bloomberg. He’s deeply opposed to demagoguery, you know, except when he’s idly wondering whether an angry health-care protester might be responsible for the bomb in Times Square.


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If they are going to build this awful thing, then a Christian church, a synagogue, a Jewish deli and an adult bookstore should be put both sides of it and across the street.

Urban Infidel on August 3, 2010 at 9:33 PM

The CAIR guy on O’Reilly did not represent his side very well. He said Islam was not connected with the 911 terrorist attacks. (Say what?) Bill O got frustrated. Maybe now he will see what these mosque guys are up to…
I heard there will be a lawsuit on behalf of a 911 survivor and first responder.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/ground-zero-mosque-lawsuit.html
We need to support Pamela Geller and her determined band of patriots…the muslims have taken notice of her and are acting accordingly. It’s going to get ugly.

jakev on August 3, 2010 at 9:39 PM

If they are going to build this awful thing, then a Christian church, a synagogue, a Jewish deli and an adult bookstore should be put both sides of it and across the street.

Urban Infidel on August 3, 2010 at 9:33 PM

You are insensitive.

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As you know none of those things WILL EVER happen.

CWforFreedom on August 3, 2010 at 9:41 PM

I don’t care what Bloomberg and others say about tolerance. The only motive here is to establish Muslim authority in a sensitive place. Also, where is the $100 million to build it coming from?

MochaLite on August 3, 2010 at 9:41 PM

Urban Infidel

When you think about it if this was truly a good will gesture as some suggest why didn’t they make it a non-denominational house of worship?

CWforFreedom on August 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM

If they are going to build this awful thing, then a Christian church, a synagogue, a Jewish deli and an adult bookstore should be put both sides of it and across the street.

Urban Infidel on August 3, 2010 at 9:33 PM

And a liquor store, too. A dog-trainer should set up shop next door. And maybe a pulled-pork NC-style BBQ joint for good measure.

JeffWeimer on August 3, 2010 at 9:46 PM

When you think about it if this was truly a good will gesture as some suggest why didn’t they make it a non-denominational house of worship?

CWforFreedom on August 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Nope it could have been easily erected had they made in truly interfaith. We know tht is not and never will be their intention. We are supposed to be respectfull of their feeling but they are not suposed to return it. Cordoba just adds more insult and why we don`t understand that is appalling.

bluemarlin on August 3, 2010 at 9:46 PM

You’re right on the money. It’s precisely what you think it symbolizes, as was their intent. This is going to sting…and they know it (at the very least).

Bee on August 3, 2010 at 9:26 PM

One can’t read the minds of all those that will use the cultural center. Perhaps some will be affected by the constant reminder of the horrible human toll on 9/11, or that their own lives would be jeopardized by a future attack.

dedalus on August 3, 2010 at 9:47 PM

…where is the $100 million to build it coming from?

MochaLite on August 3, 2010 at 9:41 PM

This was a start, but nothing much since.

Soros?

Ugly on August 3, 2010 at 9:48 PM

I wonder when loons like Bloomberg will realize that one-way “tolerance” is not tolerance at all.

Guess it’ll take another man-caused disaster to drive the point home. Or more.

MrScribbler on August 3, 2010 at 9:49 PM

Perhaps some will be affected by the constant reminder of the horrible human toll on 9/11, or that their own lives would be jeopardized by a future attack.

dedalus on August 3, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Perhaps they will, but they should do it somewhere else!

sharrukin on August 3, 2010 at 9:51 PM

where is the $100 million to build it coming from?

MochaLite on August 3, 2010 at 9:41 PM

Stimulus funds.

Osama Obama wants this built.

MrScribbler on August 3, 2010 at 9:51 PM

Terrorism works.

That’s what Bloomberg’s “tolerance” b.s. really means.
And perhaps some dissident Muslim group wil blow up this mosque, (if the imbeciles in NY allow its construction) to protest it, as has happened a hundred times at other mosques around the world.

profitsbeard on August 3, 2010 at 10:00 PM

He must wear that suit all day, otherwise he’d risk someone getting a photo of the giant yellow streak running down his back.

Dark-Star on August 3, 2010 at 10:11 PM

One can’t read the minds of all those that will use the cultural center. Perhaps some will be affected by the constant reminder of the horrible human toll on 9/11, or that their own lives would be jeopardized by a future attack.

dedalus on August 3, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Perhaps one can read the statements issued by the imam who is heading up this mosque project. He says we were compliant in 9/11. He wants America to be Sharia compliant. He will not acknowledge that HAMAS is a terrorist group. You can wonder about who might use it, I wonder about who is building it and paying for it. Naming it Cordoba just adds icing on it for them. If any other religion had wanted to do this, I am guessing that building would have become a landmark, just sayin.

bluemarlin on August 3, 2010 at 10:14 PM

Except when those decisions are made in AZ.

DFCtomm on August 3, 2010 at 8:11 PM

Or the White House will intervene when a professor is accused of breaking into his own home….

Conservative Samizdat on August 3, 2010 at 10:52 PM

I don’t care what Bloomberg and others say about tolerance. The only motive here is to establish Muslim authority in a sensitive place. Also, where is the $100 million to build it coming from?

MochaLite on August 3, 2010 at 9:41 PM

Do you ask questions about where the money is coming from when churches and temples are built?

Jimbo3 on August 3, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Do you ask questions about where the money is coming from when churches and temples are built?

Jimbo3 on August 3, 2010 at 11:00 PM

When the religion is founded by a terroristic pedophile mass-murdering warlord slaveholder and caravan plundering megalomaniac, it might be prudent to do so.

profitsbeard on August 3, 2010 at 11:16 PM

Do you ask questions about where the money is coming from when churches and temples are built?

Jimbo3 on August 3, 2010 at 11:00 PM

If the folks at Hillsboro Baptist or the KKK are backing it yeah. You ask questions!

sharrukin on August 3, 2010 at 11:17 PM

Be interesting to see what NEW YORK construction firms, unions and supply companies BID on this job.

And what their rational will be.

Or will the mosque ’suddenly appear’ from nothing?

GarandFan on August 3, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Actually if its 13 stories, for your safety in NY you might WANT then too. Muslims aren’t too good at the construction thing….http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Towers_Doha

Supposedly there are lots of other problems with the tower.

Also, wonder how New Yorkers are going to feel about not being able to use the Crackberrys and iPhones? Muslims hate the internet too you know.

orbitalair on August 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM

Be interesting to see what NEW YORK construction firms, unions and supply companies BID on this job.

And what their rational will be.

Or will the mosque ’suddenly appear’ from nothing?

GarandFan on August 3, 2010 at 8:51 PM

I heard that they were going to do it all non-union.

Urban Infidel on August 3, 2010 at 11:27 PM

condescending cretin Mike Bloomberg. He’s deeply opposed to demagoguery, you know, except when he’s idly wondering whether an angry health-care protester might be responsible for the bomb in Times Square.

True that!

TN Mom on August 4, 2010 at 12:29 AM

When we tell the world, “Yes, we are a country that will even tolerate a mosque near the site of 9/11,” we send such a powerful message of inclusion and openness. It is shocking to other nations. But you never know who out there is hearing that message and saying: “What a remarkable country! I want to live in that melting pot, even if I have to build a boat from milk cartons to get there.” As long as that happens, Silicon Valley will be Silicon Valley, Hollywood will be Hollywood, Broadway will be Broadway, and America, if we ever get our politics and schools fixed, will be O.K.

What they really think is that we are a bunch of fools, where Nero fiddles, while Friedman soaks in delusions, or wet pants, while the country is being destroyed from within and othewise.

Schadenfreude on August 4, 2010 at 12:30 AM

Not to meddle in local decisions?

NYC airforce one fly by without warning.
Cambridge “police acted stupidly”.
Louisiana oil spill and cleanup failures by Obowma.
Florida oil spill and cleanup failures by Obowma.
Hurricane Katrina blame game.
Going to Virgina to get out the vote and loses.
Going to Massachusetts to get out the vote and loses.
Visit Florida after he visits Maine.
Obowma fires Shirley Sherrod.
Venezuelan elections.
Kenyan elections and writing a constitution.
Mandatory healthcare forced on all Americans.
“You can’t eat what you want, set your thermostat at 70
degrees, drive your SUV’s”.
“They bitterly cling to their guns and their religion”.

dthorny on August 4, 2010 at 12:57 AM

dthorny on August 4, 2010 at 12:57 AM

forgot SB 1070

Fighton03 on August 4, 2010 at 1:34 AM

F.U., lardazz.

RedNewEnglander on August 4, 2010 at 2:13 AM

A black man arrested by a white cop is a federal issue requiring direct intervention by the President and a beer get together, an Islamic Mosque built in the ashes of ground zero is none of his business. Got it?

Dollayo on August 4, 2010 at 3:36 AM

forgot SB 1070

Fighton03 on August 4, 2010 at 1:34 AM

Great point, the list never ends with this tool.

dthorny on August 4, 2010 at 5:19 AM

I’ve been thinking about freedom of religion lately because of the Mosque being built at Ground Zero.

I know each of the 13 original colonies had their own favorite church denomination. At the founding of the country, the various colonies fe…ared that there would become an official Church of the USA. The fear was that such a church would dominate their own religious affiliations. Many European countries had official state churches. The writers of the Constitution had seen all the wars between Catholics, Protestants and other church denominations in Europe. They did not want the possibility of that happening here.

So they wrote into the Constitution’s First Amendment, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”. The fact that this was the first amendment to be written in, certainly shows the priority it had in their thinking.

However, this law is not an absolute. If a church where murdering those that disagreed as a part of their official teaching, the police would put an end to it. Especially if a member would have followed through on such a belief. This has happened to smaller cults in the USA already.

Islam is not just a religion, it is also a political philosophy and system of government. In the Koran it says that religion is not to be under compulsion. That is in a chronologically early part of the Koran. This was written when Mohammad was relatively weak in Mecca. But later in Medina he became a powerful warlord. Mohammad killed all the Jews and any other infidels he found there. Then the parts of the Koran written in Medina started to talk about killing all infidels wherever you find them. The later parts of the Koran are taught to supersede the earlier parts. If this what Muslims believe, why not just take them at their word?

If so, doesn’t this constitute a threat to civilization and the American way of life? The fact that this is an official doctrine ought to remove Islam from the protection of the Constitution and The First Amendment. The Koran contradicts the freedom written into the Constitution. There are also numerous examples of Muslims murdering people for disagreeing with them. Theo Van Gogh was murdered by a Muslim for the crime of disagreeing with the teachings of the Koran.

People who believe true Islam is a peaceful religion are ignorant, misinformed or liars.

Ban the Mosque at Ground Zero!

Rudemeister on August 4, 2010 at 5:32 AM

People who believe true Islam is a peaceful religion are ignorant, misinformed or liars.

Ban the Mosque at Ground Zero!

Rudemeister on August 4, 2010 at 5:32 AM

Time magazine cover of the “peacful religion” of Islam.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2007238,00.html

dthorny on August 4, 2010 at 5:49 AM

Local decision? HAR! 9/11 was not a local event but Arizona’s decision was. DO these guys have it all screwed up or what?

johnnyU on August 4, 2010 at 8:47 AM

Support Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller and the SIOA.

http://sioaonline.com/

awake on August 4, 2010 at 9:00 AM

Gasbag Gibbs is squihier than the Pillsbury Dough Boy (who has a better tan than Gibbs).

allstonian on August 4, 2010 at 9:26 AM

squishier…you try to write that…

allstonian on August 4, 2010 at 9:26 AM

We really need to stop electing people who think so little of us. Especially since their “concerns” are not based in facts.

Cindy Munford on August 4, 2010 at 9:26 AM

Dear President Obama,

Thank you for your principled stand on not getting involved in local issues.

Yours,

Arizona
Cambridge Police Department
Louisiana
Wall Street
Closed GM Dealerships
Every American who must now purchase healthcare

fossten on August 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM

Do you ask questions about where the money is coming from when churches and temples are built?

Jimbo3 on August 3, 2010 at 11:00 PM

If it’s the Westboro Baptists, or Scientologists, sure.

How many other churches have people on their board who have links to terrorist groups, as well as make excuses for the actions committed two blocks from where they want to build their place of worship?

MadisonConservative on August 4, 2010 at 10:08 AM

Yeah, what was he going to say, “The Cordoba board acted stupidly?”

inviolet on August 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM

They don’t get involved in “local decisions” as long as they agree with those decisions (e.g., sanctuary city policies designed to aid illegal aliens’ lawlessness).

But if the “local decisions” conflict with Barry’s statist, open-borders, corrupt Democratic-party policies, then they’re more than happy to weigh in — as we saw recently as Barry’s hatchet men tripped over themselves racing to the federal courthouse in Phoenix to try and stop AZ from implementing its state law to enforce federal immigration laws.

AZCoyote on August 4, 2010 at 10:28 AM

I’m just dreamin’ here, but wouldn’t it be awesome if after they were about 3/4 done building this thing someone showed up about 6PM on a Friday afternoon and set a couple of 500 lb hogs loose inside.

I guess that makes me insensitive to Islam. I’m fine with dat.

Jason Coleman on August 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

If they are going to build this awful thing, then a Christian church, a synagogue, a Jewish deli and an adult bookstore should be put both sides of it and across the street.

And a liquor store, too.

http://www.owencounty.org/terror.html

LODGE4 on August 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM

I don’t care what Bloomberg and others say about tolerance. The only motive here is to establish Muslim authority in a sensitive place.
MochaLite on August 3, 2010 at 9:41 PM

IMO Bloomberg doesn’t care about tolerance or whether this is a show of Islam authority. All he cares about is someone building in NYC. He’d approve OBL building a hotel in Times Square.

katiejane on August 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Here again, this administration fears or sides with Islamic extremists against the American people. The cowards.

afotia on August 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Gotta ask yourself…. what would Dilbert say if a Christian denomination wanted to build… say… a mega-church there instead of the Muslims? What would the ACLU say? What would Obama say? “Oh sure… go ahead… we’ll even fund it…” NOT!

Before this is over… I promise you… if this truly gets off the ground…. There will be federal funding for it… it may come though the back door…. but watch and see.

CynicalOptimist on August 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

I’m not going to meddle in local decisions

Coming from the White House to the Gov. of Arizona and Arizona Sheriffs? /

maverick muse on August 4, 2010 at 12:14 PM

There will be federal funding for it… it may come though the back door…. but watch and see.

CynicalOptimist on August 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM

via GWBush’s “faith based initiatives”…

damn, he really paved roads for Marxists to exploit:

DHS to negate Constitutional integrity
NAFTA profits open border highways to crime and terrorists
Attempted amnesty for illegal aliens
Limp wrist lip service to Fanny/Freddy financial ruin
Sec.of Treasury executive ordered with TOTAL autonomy

No one of any ideology can enact an order or law lacking specific literal limitations on authority without opening Pandora’s Box for authoritarian thugs to abuse the nation and citizenry without fear of legal retribution via effective prosecution.

maverick muse on August 4, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Here again, this administration fears or sides with Islamic extremists against the American people. The cowards.

afotia on August 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM

You people are the most lazy-thinking bizarro ‘tards I have ever run across. The mosque will be built two blocks from hallowed ground, which in NYC is the same as a mile.

If it were approved to actually replace buildings destroyed on 9/11 ya’ll would maybe, maybe, have some kind of a case. But it doesn’t, and they are American Citizens with every right to be there. (yes, you can be Muslim and a citizen: Surprised?)

But your unwillingness to understand the world beyond your own warped, Fox-induced stupidity is astoundingly scary; this tendency to wrap up in the flag and denounce all you disagree with as non-patriots or to be counted as 3/5ths citizens, unworthy of EQUAL protection under the law, is nothing if not Nazism reborn.

Yes, read your history. Understand exactly how the Nazis undermined the citizenship and rights of Jews, Gypsies, and all others they hated. It starts with this kind BS.

Equal protection is not liberalism nor conservatism, it’s constitutionalism.

trailboss on August 4, 2010 at 3:32 PM

In the name of dialog. The US army set up outposts in Indian country in the name of dialog. The Chinese set up government offices in Tibet in the name of dialog. Do you have to even ask yourself what the nice Iman is going to be preaching about at Mosque Zero? I guess the 9-11 attacks were really only a kind offer to do the demolition work for free.

Are people this simple minded? I guess they are.

pc on August 4, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Mosque needs to be super because they intend to build an army of believers and that’s the place it’s going to start. That is the home base for the conquest of America. I think we’ll go without so much as a whimper.

pc on August 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM

OK! Fine! We will build the darn “Muslim-Cultural Center” right after the first Christian Church is allowed to be built anywhere in Saudi Arabia.

shorebird on August 5, 2010 at 12:56 AM

Obama won’t meddle with local decisions…but he will meddle in Israel’s decisions.
Translation: “Muslims can build 911 memorial mosques less than a football field away from their terrorist attack. Jews can’t build in Jerusalem”.

OxyCon on August 5, 2010 at 12:44 PM

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