Quotes of the day

posted at 9:00 pm on July 31, 2010 by Allahpundit

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So another Bam task force making something nobody wants, and even the defenders in the Fake Media — I’m reading some of the critics of me out there in the partisan political operative media — say, “Well, I guess Mr. Limbaugh was opposed to the Internet because it wasn’t fast enough at first. I guess he was opposed to getting into buying products that…” You people fail to understand. You do not make any effort to understand. This is not a criticism of General Motors and it is not a criticism of the Volt. We in the country class of this great nation are aghast. We are apoplectic over the fact that a bunch of know-nothings, a bunch of people who have a chip on their shoulder about this country are now running some of the greatest industries that twine this country’s greatness — and they don’t know diddly-squat, and they’re turning these great industries into nothing more than arms of their political agenda.

The Chevrolet Volt is a political statement. When President Obama is driving around in a limousine that has every protection and has the same weight that his current gasoline-powered limousine has and when it’s powered by a battery, then I’ll think about it. When Air Force One is powered by solar panels or windmills or self-generating propellers or whatever the hell else the wizards of smart have on the design table, then I’ll think about getting on one. But putting four seats on top of a lawn mower that runs on premium gasoline as a “backup,” is not innovation. It is classic liberal screw-upism, incompetence, and danger.

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The problem is not the cost of the engine (which serves as a dynamo that recharges the batteries, and allows the Volt to go another 320 miles, beyond the 40 miles it gets on electricity). It is running out of electricity in a snow storm on the New Jersey Turnpike on the one day a month you go to Granny’s. By building in the capacity to use the existing gasoline infrastructure, it turns the electric car into something a family of four can entertain as their only car. This is revolutionary…

It is precisely because the Volt is the first car with a real shot at the mainstream car market that we should be thinking about its impact, and the impact of all electric vehicles, on the economy as a whole. What makes the Volt such a landmark is that electric cars are the killer app for the smart grid.

This launch of the Volt, really, should be seen as comparable to the launch of personal computers. The car makes sense as a solution to the problem of gas prices and ecological responsibility, the same way the personal computer made sense as a solution to the problem of having to retype documents. But in the same way that the ubiquity of personal computers drove the development of the Internet, the growing presence of electric cars will drive the development of the smart grid, and all the infrastructure jobs this entails.

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Look at me. “[C]onsider this declaration: The electric car ‘has long been recognized as the ideal solution’ because it ‘is cleaner and quieter’ and ‘much more economical.’ That story was published by The New York Times on November 12, 1911.” “The electric car ‘has long been recognized as the ideal solution’ because it ‘is cleaner and quieter’ and ‘much more economical.’” The New York Times, 1911. “[T]he new Chevy Volt costs as much as a new Mercedes-Benz C350, consider this assessment by a believing reporter: ‘Prices on electric cars will continue to drop until they are within reach of the average family.’” That’s what a reporter said this week about the Volt: “Prices on electric cars will continue to drop until they are within reach of the average family.” (interruption) That’s what I said yesterday: If you’ve got 41 grand in a Mercedes C class… (interruption) Look, this is what’s sad to me. I am not here to (sigh) rip into General Motors. At any rate, it is what it is. (interruption) Mercedes has a sunroof, yeah. (interruption) Don’t… Don’t… (interruption) Snerdley, just cool it. Cool it in there. Just cool it in there. Yes, it has real seats. It’s got a bench seat. It’s got… (interruption) Yeah. It’s got headroom and leg room, yeah. (interruption) Just be quiet. Rob in Wichita, I do not want General Motors to fail. It’s just the exact opposite. This is painful.

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General Motors said Friday that it is boosting production capacity for its new Chevrolet Volt due to strong public interest in the electric car that goes on sale this year.

GM will now have a production capacity of 45,000 vehicles in 2012, up from previous plans for 30,000 vehicles.

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And remember, under Obama’s plan your electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket.

Holger on July 31, 2010 at 10:30 PM

Douchemobile

justltl on July 31, 2010 at 10:14 PM

C’mon dude ( or dudette)
atleast give him a car which reflects his personality
Something like this

macncheez on July 31, 2010 at 10:33 PM

The Volt is what you get when an Edsel and a Yugo are mated. Were the drunk!?

Luka on July 31, 2010 at 10:35 PM

Prepare to slaughter your bank account when it’s time to get that electrical system worked on, your average neighborhood mechanic won’t be able to touch it. Not to mention GM is going to say that only, ONLY their techs can work on it.

Bishop on July 31, 2010 at 10:37 PM

Here is an earlier version of “Future Car”, the vehicle that was supposed to be the answer. This is PBHO’s bad chariot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AMC_pacer_082009_D42119.jpg

Bishop on July 31, 2010 at 10:39 PM

HAHA, In a Yugo

Inanemergencydial on July 31, 2010 at 10:27 PM

You own this thread. LMAO!!!

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 10:39 PM

41,000 dollars for a car no better than a Ford Focus.

Holger on July 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM

I don’t guess you are their target market. :)

faraway on July 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM

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Yeah… Probably too smart for the guilt-trip sales pitch.
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On another note… I’d buy one, but not the first year, maybe the second, but only at a price that makes sense. Around $15,000 to $20,000 (hold the government check please).
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Also, I would need to test drive the little sucker. How is it on the turnpike. I drive 80 mph for 30 mins of my 1 hr trip (each way) x 5 days a wk. Who wants to bet it’s a job killer for an independent guy like me?
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Cold wintry day… batteries suck below 30 deg, real suck below 20 deg, and are you kidding below 10 deg. Defroster? That sucks too (as in the battery down). Heat? Mega-sucks (ditto). No call, no show again… I’m fired… And unemployed…-
Can that little engine/generator keeping up with my driving needs… Doubtful.
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I don’t guess you are their target market. :)

faraway on July 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM

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So, let’s find that target market…
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Ahhh…. Government employees… That’s them! Something that I know I said, as I’m sure many others did also, way back when Obast*rd bought control of GM… ‘The secondary bailout will be stealth, and come in the form of government fleet purchases’ (and now I add ‘of the Volt’)
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Besides… Didn’t Hitler push the Voltswagon… er something? (and please, don’t anyone go all Godwin’s Law on me… Facts is facts)
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RalphyBoy on July 31, 2010 at 10:41 PM

HAHA, In a Yugo

Inanemergencydial on July 31, 2010 at 10:27 PM

Inanemergencydial: Most excellent tune,Paul Shanklin!!:)

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 10:43 PM

Here is an earlier version of “Future Car”, the vehicle that was supposed to be the answer. This is PBHO’s bad chariot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AMC_pacer_082009_D42119.jpg

Bishop on July 31, 2010 at 10:39 PM

It was so futuristic in 1976! But then They sports-i-fied it.

I wonder of obama was a Gremlin owner. It’d make sense.

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 10:43 PM

It’s a political trap to oppose the Volt. It makes you look unhinged (read the comments) and it’s just a distraction. As bad as I hate to say it, but Rush is wrong.

Exactly, don’t hate the Volt just because Obama bought GM. It very well could be that GM, before Obama took them over, had plans to develop something that could be revolutionary. It may very well end up the like the PC, slow, expensive at first, but in the end something that changed the industry.

Yes, it could also be a lemon. However, by criticizing the Volt, you allow Obama the chance to claim he did something that in reality he had little to do with if it actually does succeed.

cpaulus on July 31, 2010 at 10:44 PM

betsyz on July 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM

Maybe that speech was tied to the volt launch. If you use the heater or the A/C that 40 mile range can drop significantly, so their claim of driving less than 40 miles on an average day means that yes, you will probably be burning gas every day.
Prius switched to an electric A/C because the old system required the engine to run at any time the A/C was on and dropped the mileage by 20% or more. I have no data on mileage variance for the new system.

mad scientist on July 31, 2010 at 10:44 PM

Gary Numan – Cars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldyx3KHOFXw

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 10:46 PM

Kraftwerk- Autobahn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gChOifUJZMc

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Gary Numan – Cars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldyx3KHOFXw

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 10:46 PM

Memories of better days, for sure.

Sigh…. These days, I’m thinking that we’re all gonna be living in our cars before this Marxist beast is done with us. If that’s the case, I’ll keep my Murano. Best car evah.

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 10:48 PM

Plus: does the battery last forever (yeah, right) and how much do those babies cost?

Then will they recycle the dead batteries or find some other creative disposal?

Enquiring mind wants to know!

tru2tx on July 31, 2010 at 10:25 PM

I read that the batteries are nearly 400 pounds. Something that large and heavy can’t be cheap.

Electrongod on July 31, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Oh, yeah baby, the Chevy Volt is full of win:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h5AOWL0fRE

Which means it’s time to do the hippy dippy, eviroweenie, Chevy Volt dance!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvwTMZNWGuk

AUINSC on July 31, 2010 at 10:50 PM

It’s a political trap to oppose the Volt. It makes you look unhinged (read the comments) and it’s just a distraction. As bad as I hate to say it, but Rush is wrong.

Exactly, the Volt could very well change the industry, but Obama didn’t really have anything to do with it. The concept was designed long before Obama took over GM. By rooting against the Volt you only give Obama a chance to take credit for something he had very little to do with if it actually does succeed.

Of course, it could be a lemon, but if it fails, Obama will escape criticism. This whole thing seems much ado about nothing, let’s see how the market reacts and if there’s more innovation to follow that might indeed bring the price down. Stop empowering Obama.

cpaulus on July 31, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Another outstanding Socialist set of wheels,
is the awesome Russian Lada!!!!!!!!
==========================================

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/178/641/25442820001_medium.jpg

http://www.lada-auto.ru/

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 10:53 PM

C’mon dude ( or dudette)
atleast give him a car which reflects his personality
Something like this

macncheez on July 31, 2010 at 10:33 PM

More like this.

2ipa on July 31, 2010 at 10:53 PM

GM will now have a production capacity of 45,000 vehicles in 2012, up from previous plans for 30,000 vehicles.

In completely unrelated news the US Post Office just announced it’s new “mail cars” will be Electric! Manufactured by a US auto maker.

The US Post Office has ordered 42,000 of the new vehicals.

DSchoen on July 31, 2010 at 10:54 PM

Baghdad Bob of Iraq was more credible than Robert Gibbs. Watching a White House Press briefing, one thinks he is watching a skit on SNL.

flintstone on July 31, 2010 at 10:54 PM

Chevy went all in on the Volt before Obama had anything to do with them. Anyway, I’ll never quite understand the reflexive animosity towards things like electric cars and alternative energy…its as if y’all find internal combustion and coal stacks to be somehow inherently virtuous…

ernesto on July 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM

So,if my math is close,thats 60 Billion,
a thousand million to zee billion,and then
that should work out to,

60,000 million to save 1 million jobs,plus
suppliers,parts fealers and spin-offs!!

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Star20 on July 31, 2010 at 9:51 PM

I work in an industry that is heavily affected by government regulation. Most of the regulations are designed by committee for a political agenda and tend to have the opposite effect of what they intended; much like your examples. Half the time the inspectors showing up at our facility need to be educated by us as to what the new rules mean and what they should be looking for. The work-arounds to meet the regulation means that the new compliant products are less effective, more failure prone, and more costly.
You can imagine that some industries don’t have a lot of Liberals working for them. Statements like “we will get rid of oil in 10 years” get a good laugh (and a groan).

mad scientist on July 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM

El crapo,should be parts dealers!

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 10:56 PM

Are all plug-in hybrids eligible for the rebate, or only GM? It seems it should apply to all, no?

MayBee on July 31, 2010 at 10:57 PM

Which means it’s time to do the hippy dippy, eviroweenie, Chevy Volt dance!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvwTMZNWGuk

AUINSC on July 31, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Starring Elaine Bennet from Seinfeld!

You can hear people laughing in the background, and I’m giggling too.

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Here is an earlier version of “Future Car”, the vehicle that was supposed to be the answer. This is PBHO’s bad chariot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AMC_pacer_082009_D42119.jpg

Bishop on July 31, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Bishop:The Pacer,was a knocked up and pregnant Gremlin,hehe!
–:)

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:01 PM

ernesto on July 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Windmills and solar panels are the cause for 20% unemployment in Spain along with a tanking economy. If you want alternative energy take the example of France and go all in for nuclear energy.
Oh, and anything vehicular that uses batteries in any significant role is non-sustainable. 20 years from now admitting you owned one will be the equivalent of owning a Yugo or a Gremlin.
Obama’s legacy: Maybe Disneyworld can put his face on the Dumbo figures (the ears match).

mad scientist on July 31, 2010 at 11:04 PM

I’d much rather have one of these.

Semtex with a steering wheel.

Inanemergencydial on July 31, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Chevy went all in on the Volt before Obama had anything to do with them. Anyway, I’ll never quite understand the reflexive animosity towards things like electric cars and alternative energy…its as if y’all find internal combustion and coal stacks to be somehow inherently virtuous…

ernesto on July 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Ernesto, you make a good point. See, when my child was 4 I bought him a battery operated Jeep, mini sized, just for him. It didn’t go very fast and it didn’t take him far. Now, if you are asking grown ups to buy a battery operated car that is pretty small and doesn’t go fast or far? Eh. Good luck with that.

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 11:06 PM

Memories of better days, for sure.

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 10:48 PM

Key West Reader: Yup,and I remember the days of summer,
when it was vacation time,and along any
Canadian roadway,hotel/motel,you could
see every American State,by there plates!!
–:)

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:08 PM

It’s the free market stupid.

Obama would never have allowed the Corvette, the GTO or the Mustang…… except for himself.

Hening on July 31, 2010 at 11:08 PM

RalphyBoy on July 31, 2010 at 10:41 PM

That’s another good point: what is the minimum operating temperature for these batteries? And how much of the battery’s performance is compromised at low temps? In the volt you would need to rely on the battery for heating the car as well as driving. This could be a deathtrap in a blizzard.

mad scientist on July 31, 2010 at 11:09 PM

Chevy went all in on the Volt before Obama

ernesto on July 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM

And that has what to do with this discussion?

CWforFreedom on July 31, 2010 at 11:11 PM

That’s another good point: what is the minimum operating temperature for these batteries? And how much of the battery’s performance is compromised at low temps? In the volt you would need to rely on the battery for heating the car as well as driving. This could be a deathtrap in a blizzard.

mad scientist on July 31, 2010 at 11:09 PM

Or if you are lost in a forest somewhere in Maine in the middle of the night in snow. That happened to me once. Gah.

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Chevy went all in on the Volt before Obama

ernesto on July 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM
And that has what to do with this discussion?

CWforFreedom on July 31, 2010 at 11:11 PM

Shhhh.. he’s carrying water. Don’t interrupt it. It might be a journolist.

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Chevy went all in on the Volt before Obama had anything to do with them. Anyway, I’ll never quite understand the reflexive animosity towards things like electric cars and alternative energy…its as if y’all find internal combustion and coal stacks to be somehow inherently virtuous…

ernesto on July 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Well, it’s fine if GM does it with their own money. I have a bit of a problem with spending my tax money to fund this 2010 Ford Pinto.

AUINSC on July 31, 2010 at 11:14 PM

That’s another good point: what is the minimum operating temperature for these batteries? And how much of the battery’s performance is compromised at low temps? In the volt you would need to rely on the battery for heating the car as well as driving. This could be a deathtrap in a blizzard.

mad scientist on July 31, 2010 at 11:09 PM

…and whats the maximum op temp? how well is this going to work on the freeway in Phoenix, or in the desert heading to vegas, at what temp does it either explode or just shut down to “cool off” the battery, can it cool off the battery at 110 degrees?

Koa on July 31, 2010 at 11:15 PM

I’d much rather have one of these.

Semtex with a steering wheel.

Inanemergencydial on July 31, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Inanemergencydial: Smoke em’(tires) if you got them!!:)
======================================================
Road Test,Chevy Impala 572/750HP. Chevy Rat,6 speed
trans!!:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFx3Q0uXzEM

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:15 PM

Let’s adjust this a little bit and see how it works:

Chevy went all in on the Volt before Obama had anything to do with them. Anyway, I’ll never quite understand the reflexive animosity towards things like electric cars tax funded homeopathic research and alternative energy astrology…its as if y’all find internal combustionhard science and coal stackseconomic growth to be somehow inherently virtuous…

ernesto on July 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM

AUINSC on July 31, 2010 at 11:18 PM

Ernie take up your argument with Slate.com

http://www.slate.com/id/2262229/

Where does the federal government get off spending the average person’s tax dollars to help better-off-than-average Americans buy expensive new cars?

When Deloitte Consulting interviewed industry experts and 2,000 potential buyers, it found that from now until 2020, only “young, very high income individuals”—those from households making more than $200,000 a year—would even be interested in plug-in hybrids or all-electric cars.

But the technical challenges of mass-producing cell phone batteries are relatively modest compared to mass-producing batteries for cars, and for the most part, cell phone and computer industries grew with private, not public, capital at risk. Notice that the president said “more” affordable, not “affordable.”

As for greenhouse-gas, or GHG, emissions: The carbon-reduction impact of electric vehicles is notoriously difficult to calculate. The ultimate source of their power could be a hydroelectric dam or a carbon-belching coal-fired plant.

CWforFreedom on July 31, 2010 at 11:19 PM

America’s Sheriff

Luka on July 31, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Road Test,Chevy Impala 572/750HP. Chevy Rat,6 speed
trans!!:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFx3Q0uXzEM

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:15 PM

That thing is a beast. 572? lol. Every time he guns it I darn near get a panic attack from the sound.

I figured you for an American muscle car guy vs. the import tuner type. :P

Inanemergencydial on July 31, 2010 at 11:20 PM

ernesto on July 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM

They may not be virtuous, so to speak, but they have the benefit of working, being effective, tried and true technology.

Alternative energy isn’t a bad thing either, but it is neither tried and true nor effective if the only real incentive to use it is a huge government subsidy.

catmman on July 31, 2010 at 11:21 PM

Where are we supposed to get all the additional electricity that we will need to recharge these things? Coal powered plants? Gas plants? Nuclear plants? Electricity doesn’t just magically appear at the outlet in your garage, much to the ignorance of the political class.

ss396 on July 31, 2010 at 11:22 PM

But putting four seats on top of a lawn mower that runs on premium gasoline as a “backup,” is not innovation. It is classic liberal screw-upism, incompetence, and danger.

Let me say what El Rushbo would not say..This Volt is a piece of Sh!t!

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFx3Q0uXzEM

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:15 PM
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That thing is a beast. 572? lol. Every time he guns it I darn near get a panic attack from the sound.

I figured you for an American muscle car guy vs. the import tuner type. :P

Inanemergencydial on July 31, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Inanemergencydial: Yup,torque,hand over fist,heres GM’s
engines!!:)
================================

http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Doesn’t Ford’s performance inform Obama he may want to use caution in making the Volt (and GM) a political issue?

MayBee on July 31, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Rumor has it that George Lucas would not let them use R2D2..so they had to go with the name volt. :)

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:26 PM

Where are we supposed to get all the additional electricity that we will need to recharge these things? Coal powered plants? Gas plants? Nuclear plants? Electricity doesn’t just magically appear at the outlet in your garage, much to the ignorance of the political class.

ss396 on July 31, 2010 at 11:22 PM

From The O’Lectric Company!

That’s next.

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 11:26 PM

Koa on July 31, 2010 at 11:15 PM

An excellent point. When I lived in Phoenix there were stories of people dying when their car broke down in summer and they had too much exposure and/or too little water. A breakdown that strands you is not just inconvenient, it could be just as deadly as the earlier example of loss of power in a blizzard.
BTW, Tesla uses lithium batteries also. They had tremendous technical difficulties with the batteries overheating at high drain rates. They built a fluid cooling system for the battery pack; I hope there are safety devices to shut it down if the cooling system fails. Otherwise you could be looking at a car fire.

mad scientist on July 31, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Just please tell me the spare tire is not under the hood! :)

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Let me say what El Rushbo would not say..This Volt is a piece of Sh!t!

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Wait. Since the volt came from the mind of the Obama, wouldn’t it qualify as Holy Shit?

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Doesn’t Ford’s performance inform Obama he may want to use caution in making the Volt (and GM) a political issue?

MayBee on July 31, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Obama is not a big fan of that so called ‘information’. He’s just cool.

AUINSC on July 31, 2010 at 11:30 PM

Wait. Since the volt came from the mind of the Obama, wouldn’t it qualify as Holy Shit?

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 11:29 PM

It might if you get caught on the Interstate in the wrong lane and the battery dies on you.

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:31 PM

Computers enhance human activity, electric cars detract.

Compare power to weight, torque, towing capacity, carrying capacity – both human and goods, along with serviceability, and one need not bother looking into the supposed benefits.

And, as for the price ….

OldEnglish on July 31, 2010 at 11:32 PM

I’m pretty sure that liberals think that knowledge and science is racist.

AUINSC on July 31, 2010 at 11:33 PM

Chinese ObamaVolt Mobile

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 11:33 PM

Plus the first year model will have thousands of bugs..Boy I can’t wait for the intial stock offering by the new GM..going price will be what?..$1.00. :)

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:34 PM

And, as for the price ….

OldEnglish on July 31, 2010 at 11:32 PM

Well you will be able to save money because you will not need onstar because no one will want to steal it.

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:36 PM

The battery has a 8 year, 100K mile warranty. Anyone else ever use rechargeable batteries? I’m guessing you’ll be lucky to get 6-7 years out of the battery. The battery capacity will probably start being an issue around 5-6 years under IDEAL conditions. Does lithium-ion suffer from the same issues as nickel-cadmium? I really don’t know.

I also read a breakdown, I think it was here at HA, about how long it would take to actually make the Volt cost effective over a cheaper economy car just on the fuel cost alone. It would take something like 20 years to make the extra cost of the volt worth it or something like that. Even with the ‘tax break’, it still isn’t cost effective (on fuel alone) for at least ten years.

catmman on July 31, 2010 at 11:38 PM

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:36 PM

Heh! So true.

And, with a resale value below that of a well-used Lada ….

OldEnglish on July 31, 2010 at 11:38 PM

America’s Sheriff

Luka on July 31, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Luka: That video is a keeper,Sanchez is an idiot.He try’s
his best to set up the Sheriff,and it go’s to show
you,that there is NO talking to Liberals on immigr
ation,in their world the Sheriff is the bad guy,not
the illegal,its absolutely nuts!!

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:40 PM

More like this.

2ipa on July 31, 2010 at 10:53 PM

Thats so
FABULOUSSSSS
BTW , are those 2 teleprompters on either side ?
Perfect TOTUSmobile

macncheez on July 31, 2010 at 11:41 PM

Chinese ObamaVolt Mobile

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 11:33 PM

Key West Reader:Ick,a lemon-lime Praying Mantis!!:)

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:42 PM

It might if you get caught on the Interstate in the wrong lane and the battery dies on you.

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:31 PM

Have fun getting it serviced too. Not too many people are qualified and it will cost you plenty.

Also L

Hidden Dangers in Hybrid Cars

Hybrid vehicles have a lot of delicate instrumentation, making them more complex to fix. They need specialized mechanics to work with them since the many of the parts are electrical in nature.

If the hybrid vehicle is in an accident, it may be difficult for police and fire department to determine if the vehicle is safe to approach to save accident victims.

Using the jaws of life in the wrong place could be deadly.

Since hybrid vehicles utilize a lot of electrical power, a malfunction could cause electric jolts of more than 500 volts, which can be fatal.

The battery pack of a hybrid since it is located in the back of the vehicle can be potential shock hazard as well as a hazardous material problem. (safety.lovetoknow.com)

CWforFreedom on July 31, 2010 at 11:43 PM

My vintage Caddy gets 8.0 in the city.

Just rebuilt the carb and restored all smog controls to the original Jimmy Carter specs –

Bet I get NINE, now!

cane_loader on July 31, 2010 at 11:45 PM

Well,I’m off,I have a date with a F-35 fighter in
Ace Combat 5,and I’ve got snuffing out to do,

have a great night everyone——————:)

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:45 PM

The Volt is a sound design concept (It is basically a diesel-electric locomotive scaled down for road use) in that you have essentially a plug in electric vehicle with the capability/range of a normal small-sized sedan.

The 40 mile battery range is likely to cover 90% of daily driving for a majority of people. However, the problem is they priced it way out of the intended market. For $33+K (with rebate, no less) you get possibly less utility than a cheap econobox (no 5th seat), mediocre performance (0-60 ~ 9 sec), and no way to reap any fuel cost savings unless you keep it for something like 20 years (which I very much doubt the batteries will last that long). For that price, they should have wrapped SUV body around it.

GM probably should have done what Toyota (or Honda, I can’t remember) did and sold the car for much cheaper at a loss and amortized the production cost over a few years.

Gyro on July 31, 2010 at 11:46 PM

Well,I’m off,I have a date with a F-35 fighter in
Ace Combat 5,and I’ve got snuffing out to do,

have a great night everyone——————:)

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:45 PM

Night, Can!

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 11:46 PM

CWforFreedom on July 31, 2010 at 11:43 PM

Good point! Service will be hard to come by!

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:47 PM

In the late 1990s I worked for one of Saturn’s promotion agencies, and got to test drive the EV1, which Saturn retailers leased in Calidornia and Arizona. The EV1 was a sleek two-seater and like the Volt had very little storage room. It had reasonably good pick up but only had a range of 75-100 miles without being recharged. Unlike the Volt, the EV1 ran strictly on electricity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1

bw222 on July 31, 2010 at 11:47 PM

This launch of the Volt, really, should be seen as comparable to the launch of personal computers.

It’s more like trying to launch a $3,000 adding machine when most of us can pick up PC or laptop that meets our needs for $1,000 or less.

Laura in Maryland on July 31, 2010 at 11:48 PM

GM probably should have done what Toyota (or Honda, I can’t remember) did and sold the car for much cheaper at a loss and amortized the production cost over a few years.

Gyro on July 31, 2010 at 11:46 PM

You forgot one thing. Intelligence, ingenuity, creativeness and business sense are not a part of the Fedrul Guvmint or ObamaMotors.

Key West Reader on July 31, 2010 at 11:49 PM

have a great night everyone——————:)

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:45 PM

Dadgummit. The average FQ (funny quotient) just went down 20 points. Good night, Canopfor.

Laura in Maryland on July 31, 2010 at 11:50 PM

What makes the Volt such a landmark is that electric cars are the killer app for the smart grid.

Douchebag.

Jaibones on July 31, 2010 at 11:50 PM

Well,I’m off,I have a date with a F-35 fighter in
Ace Combat 5,and I’ve got snuffing out to do,

have a great night everyone——————:)

canopfor on July 31, 2010 at 11:45 PM

You have yourself a good fight
;-)

macncheez on July 31, 2010 at 11:51 PM

This launch of the Volt, really, should be seen as comparable to the launch of personal computers.

The Volt will save energy the way computers saved paper.

Ronnie on July 31, 2010 at 11:52 PM

The 40 mile battery range is likely to cover 90% of daily driving for a majority of people

Sorry but I think your 90% number is way high in my humble opinion.. espicially if you live in the burbs or the country. I know alot of folks that travel that much hauling kids to/from soccer practice. :)

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:58 PM

Obama – “Under my plan of a Cap and Trade system, electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket.”

Now, why would anyone in their right mind ever purchase a VOLT?

At 41K to purchase the car, the expected cost to charge this piece of crap under Obama’s C&T, 4,000,000,000,000,000.99 per year.

Kini on August 1, 2010 at 12:02 AM

Whoa, I just found this little nugget of detail from edmunds.com:

“The battery can only be completely recharged through either a 120-volt or 240-volt outlet, but regenerative braking and the engine generator can replenish it slightly.”

Seems to be confirmed by wikipedia:

It will only be allowed to charge to 85% of full capacity and to discharge only to approximately 30% SoC before the engine cuts in and maintains the charge near the lower level. When the vehicle is plugged into a charger the battery SoC is restored to 85%.

So, if I decide to drive 300 miles after draining the batteries, I STILL HAVE TO PLUG IT IN when I reach my destination as the batteries will still be almost dead! The engineer’s children must have been held hostage for this to pass into production.

Gyro on August 1, 2010 at 12:03 AM

Sorry but I think your 90% number is way high in my humble opinion.. espicially if you live in the burbs or the country. I know alot of folks that travel that much hauling kids to/from soccer practice. :)

Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 11:58 PM

True, the point I was clumsily making was that it was a reasonable baseline for electric only performance for a work commute vehicle. It is certainly not a soccer-mom vehicle (hardly any room for the equipment/children).

Gyro on August 1, 2010 at 12:07 AM

Gyro on August 1, 2010 at 12:07 AM

Good point. :)

Dire Straits on August 1, 2010 at 12:08 AM

It will only be allowed to charge to 85% of full capacity and to discharge only to approximately 30% SoC before the engine cuts in and maintains the charge near the lower level. When the vehicle is plugged into a charger the battery SoC is restored to 85%.

Gyro on August 1, 2010 at 12:03 AM

I understand why they did that was to “idiot proof” it! Can you imagine the destruction if you allow folks to run the battery all the way down! The Trial lawyers would have a field day.

Dire Straits on August 1, 2010 at 12:12 AM

45,000 x $41,000 = $1.8 billion in sales (not profit). So we’re still down by roughly $58.2 billion.

Mr_Magoo on August 1, 2010 at 12:13 AM

The battery has a 8 year, 100K mile warranty…

catmman on July 31, 2010 at 11:38 PM

This is not at all like a typical car warranty. With a real car, it’s covered during the warranty period, and you hope that you will be lucky beyond that. With the Volt, the clock is ticking on the battery, and after its expected life, it will fail. It’s a certainty.

From Chevy’s point of view, this could get horribly expensive if replacement isn’t pro-rated. When your Volt battery is seven years old, if you get that far, might you be tempted to figure out a way to make the battery fail to save you $8,000?

After the battery fails, is someone doesn’t want to fork over the money for it, can you leave it out, save a lot of weight, and drive it on gasoline forever? Which is to say, convert it to a Ford Focus?

slickwillie2001 on August 1, 2010 at 12:20 AM

My main concern: Has Sarah Palin posted anything about the Volt on her facebook page yet? :)

Dire Straits on August 1, 2010 at 12:30 AM

Something else for you car guys: Obama Admin Sitting on NHTSA Report Because it Favors Toyota

slickwillie2001 on August 1, 2010 at 12:32 AM

After the battery fails, is someone doesn’t want to fork over the money for it, can you leave it out, save a lot of weight, and drive it on gasoline forever? Which is to say, convert it to a Ford Focus?

slickwillie2001 on August 1, 2010 at 12:20 AM

If something like the Volt was the only choice available, that would be the first thing I would do.

OldEnglish on August 1, 2010 at 12:35 AM

Something else for you car guys: Obama Admin Sitting on NHTSA Report Because it Favors Toyota

slickwillie2001 on August 1, 2010 at 12:32 AM

I’m not suprised..are you?

PS..Ace does good work.

Dire Straits on August 1, 2010 at 12:35 AM

If something like the Volt was the only choice available, that would be the first thing I would do.

OldEnglish on August 1, 2010 at 12:35 AM

No offense..but that sounds just like what my Dad would say. :)

Dire Straits on August 1, 2010 at 12:39 AM

I had a 2000 Saturn that I loved, highest repair bill was under $300 in all those years, but then I got sandwiched between a huge SUV and a BIG truck. I test drove Chevys, Fords, Toyotas, but settled on a little Subaru Impreza hatchback that I love. The AWD is wonderful here in the NE winters, and to a little old lady that’s a heck of a lot more important than gas mileage and any inane thoughts I might entertain to “save the planet”. And here in PA our electric rates went up 30% last January due to deregulation, and our electric provider has already gone to the PUC for another increase. So with cap and trade still on the Democratic agenda, who in my area would be dumb enough to believe an electric car could save them money? Jeez.

oldoldbabs on August 1, 2010 at 12:48 AM

No offense..but that sounds just like what my Dad would say. :)

Dire Straits on August 1, 2010 at 12:39 AM

See, we oldies know a thing or two. =)

OldEnglish on August 1, 2010 at 12:55 AM

Chevy went all in on the Volt before Obama had anything to do with them. Anyway, I’ll never quite understand the reflexive animosity towards things like electric cars and alternative energy…its as if y’all find internal combustion and coal stacks to be somehow inherently virtuous…

ernesto on July 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Yeah, that means Chevy is All Bush’s Fault, right?

Leftists ran my state’s power company out of business, because they were offended by its using the same type of energy generation that powers over 95% of French homes, namely nuclear.

Their crime? They attempted to move away from coal and oil to generate power, and your parents ran them out of business.

Del Dolemonte on August 1, 2010 at 12:57 AM

See, we oldies know a thing or two. =)

OldEnglish on August 1, 2010 at 12:55 AM

Or, we’re just old, grumpy, and awkward. =)

OldEnglish on August 1, 2010 at 12:58 AM

See, we oldies know a thing or two. =)

OldEnglish on August 1, 2010 at 12:55 AM

I definitely agree !.. I tip my fedora to you sir! :)

Dire Straits on August 1, 2010 at 1:00 AM

OldEnglish on August 1, 2010 at 12:58 AM

Just the “know what it was to be without and had to make do with what you had” generation! :)

PS.. I was raised on it but did a terrible job of teaching it to my kids!

Dire Straits on August 1, 2010 at 1:04 AM

PS.. I was raised on it but did a terrible job of teaching it to my kids!

Dire Straits on August 1, 2010 at 1:04 AM

Ditto! The problem today is that there is an easy way out. Necessity is no longer the mother of invention. (If it’s broke, just get another one).

OldEnglish on August 1, 2010 at 1:19 AM

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