Report: Romney nudging Graham to strike immigration deal before election?

posted at 5:42 pm on July 30, 2010 by Allahpundit

A tantalizing bit of 2012 gossip dropped way, way down in an otherwise fun piece about amnesty shills boo-hooing over having (temporarily) lost McCain. Note to Politico: This is what’s called “burying the lede.”

Their hope now is that Republican presidential candidates and former operatives under Bush, a reform proponent, can convince GOP congressional leaders that the issue needs to be dealt with before 2012 — or that they could risk alienating the burgeoning Hispanic vote in the crucial swing states of New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, Arizona and Florida.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a front-runner for the nomination, has signaled quietly to Graham that Republicans must address immigration before the campaign heats up, according to several sources familiar with the conversation.

Graham’s push against birthright citizenship prompted this response on POLITICO’s Arena from Cesar Conda, a former domestic policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney: “If the Republican Party embraces ending birthright citizenship, then it will be assured losing Latino and ethnic voters — and presidential elections for the foreseeable future.”

Now I’m more confused than ever about why Graham’s pushing the birthright citizenship amendment. If he really is thinking about trying to settle the immigration issue before 2012 — which may be do-able, given the electoral pressure from Latinos that the GOP leadership will be feeling — what does he gain by staking out a position further to the right than he’s ever gone before? I have to assume that it’s precisely because he thinks a deal is likely that he wants to stockpile conservative demands now so that he can give up on them early in the interests of “compromise.” If he sacrifices birthright citizenship in the interests of “being reasonable” but stands firm on securing the border first, it’ll give the Dems some cover on agreeing to the latter. In fact, Politico notes that his comprehensive bill co-written with Schumer already would have made amnesty contingent on first reaching certain benchmarks vis-a-vis border security; Graham’s now insisting that that’s no longer enough, that he wants a separate “borders only” bill before amnesty comes back on the table, but I’ve got a crazy hunch that he’s just staking out a bargaining position there too.

As for Mitt’s role in this, it’s not like he’s nudging Graham to strike a deal on his behalf. Getting immigration off the table would, in theory, benefit whoever the eventual nominee is. But suspicions about him among the righty base plus the fact that it’s Grahamnesty, of all people, that he’s coordinating with here instead of, say, Jim DeMint isn’t going to win him any new fans. Exit question: Any fallout over this for him, or no biggie?


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You guys sure do fall hook, line and sinker for the lib media quoting anonymous sources. How about holding yourselves to a little bit higher standard and getting some proof before starting your hysterics?

JA on July 30, 2010 at 6:30 PM

JA on July 30, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Good post!..I’m starting to think along those same lines.

Dire Straits on July 30, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Romney’s campaign is dead the minute that Thune announces.

Jon0815 on July 30, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Funny, because you know who else’s campaign is dead the minute that Thune announces? Thune’s.

Norwegian on July 30, 2010 at 6:32 PM

JA on July 30, 2010 at 6:30 PM

seems to me you are the only one who is getting serious. Most of us are like, yeah WTF ever!

upinak on July 30, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Romney’s campaign is dead the minute that Thune announces.

Jon0815 on July 30, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Funny, because you know who else’s campaign is dead the minute that Thune announces? Thune’s.

Norwegian on July 30, 2010 at 6:32 PM
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That made me snicker.

shomegirl on July 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Mexicans……not Medicaid (stinking iPhone)

PappyD61 on July 30, 2010 at 6:22 PM

PappyD61: You sail a mean Destroyer!!:)

canopfor on July 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM

That was when she was running with McCain. She made it very clear in her O’Reilly interview a few weeks ago that she was opposed to amnesty. O’Reilly tried to get her to agree with him that we should have an amnesty after the border was secure, and she wouldn’t.

I thought she said they needed to “register with the government” or words to that effect and they’d only be deported if they refused.

She’s for a path to citizenship, I’ll bet you $50.

And I’m not a Mitt supporter, or T paw, or any of those morons either.

In case you guessed wrong it was Sarah Palin, goofball. Do you think Brewer would be so stupid to stand beside Palin on stage at such an important time in the modern history of Arizona if Palin was an “amnesty advocate”?

Sure why not? I heard Glenn Beck say that Brewer herself was fine with a path to citizenship once the border was secure, but was unable to find a link to show that.

Many Rs, most in fact, support a path to citizenship once the border is secure. Hugh Hewitt does, for example.

And Glenn Beck himself wants “Ellis Island centers” where millions of Mexicans and other marxist supporters can legally enter.

Any of these policies is a disaster.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Mittens is just giving us excuses to vote for “the other opponent” in the primary, first health care and now amnesty?

Pffffttttt

karenhasfreedom on July 30, 2010 at 6:36 PM

canopfor on July 30, 2010 at 6:22 PM
=======================
Watch out Canopfor..They are starting to remind me of the Paulbots!

Dire Straits on July 30, 2010 at 6:28 PM

Dire Straits: Ya,its that argumentive worshipping part!!:)

canopfor on July 30, 2010 at 6:38 PM

upinak on July 30, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Actually I think he’d take Huck over Palin. And I’m not being sarcastic.

katiejane on July 30, 2010 at 6:39 PM

No, but neither will posts like this earn me any credit from the Palinistas who insist that I’m some sort of Romney shill. Oh well.

Allahpundit on July 30, 2010 at 6:08 PM

TBH here …

If this had been Sarah Palin you would have “colored” your remarks to give the impression that this was a mistake made by a political noob.

But since it’s Mitt – you automatically start looking for some ingenious invisible rationale for why he’s doing it because, in your mind – he’s got to have one, there’s NO WAY he could be making a noob mistake.

But the fact is Allah, Palin is the ingenious one and Mitt is the one making noobish mistakes. His first mistake was to sit on the sidelines while Palin became popular fighting tough battles and getting dirty with the big boys. His second mistake was his campaign heads attacking her.

Allying with Grahamnesty to give illegals amnesty would be his third strike. That’s even before you count the strikes from his last time at bat.

He’s got problems – and it’s because he’s not making good decisions while Palin is.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2010 at 6:39 PM

rightwonyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM

And if you really believe that about both Palin and Brewer, please go vote 3rd or 4th party, we don’t need you.

technopeasant on July 30, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Remember,TARP,and the Stimulus bailouts!!!

The remedy,is November!!

canopfor on July 30, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Hey fool!

Now, you have these people that register. You’re going to have millions of them. Then they register and they say, OK, we obeyed what President Palin told us to do. Then what? Do you give them green cards to work right away? What do you do with them?

PALIN: You know, there has to be that expectation that they will work and that they will contribute. Bill, it makes me uncomfortable that we’re even going down that path so far…

O’REILLY: You have to though.

PALIN: …when — no, no.

O’REILLY: You have to go down the path because it’s going to come up.

PALIN: American citizens who are here lawfully, they need to be the ones with the first shot at getting these jobs. We cannot make it easy on those who have chosen to be illegally here to disobey our laws. No.

O’REILLY: No, we can’t make it easy, but they’re here. And we can’t starve them to death. And if they can’t work, if they don’t have a green card to work, they’re going to be hosed. I mean, they got to pay rent, they got to buy groceries…

PALIN: Well…

O’REILLY: …this, that and the other thing. So this is where it gets very complicated, governor. You know, it gets very, very complicated…

PALIN: No.

O’REILLY: …because you are rewarding bad behavior. You’re letting them stay in the United States. And they came in illegally.

PALIN: Then let’s keep it — then we won’t complicate it anymore. Let’s keep it simple. And let’s say no, if you are here illegally, and if you don’t follow the steps that at some point through immigration reform we’re going to be able to provide, and that is to somehow allow to you work. If you’re not going to do that, then you will be deported. You will be gone.

O’REILLY: OK, we’ve established that.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Actually I think he’d take Huck over Palin. And I’m not being sarcastic.

katiejane on July 30, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Yeah I know about Allah.. duh can’t quite fit the mold for it concerning the moment. And yes I know you aren’t being sarcastic. So take this advice. Loosen up a bit or you are going to give yourself a stroke.

upinak on July 30, 2010 at 6:41 PM

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:41 PM

I have one this to post for you:

http://www.securetheborder.com

Have a nice day. :)

upinak on July 30, 2010 at 6:42 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/transcript/how-sarah-palin-would-tackle-illegal-immigration?page=2

Sarah Palin is for a path to citizenship, and would only deport those who did not comply.

That’s amnesty.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:42 PM

You guys sure do fall hook, line and sinker for the lib media quoting anonymous sources. How about holding yourselves to a little bit higher standard and getting some proof before starting your hysterics?

JA on July 30, 2010 at 6:30 PM

JA: Good point,so your saying,don`t fall for another
2008 Screw Over from the MSM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on July 30, 2010 at 6:43 PM

I’m so sick of the stupid “if we act on immigration we’ll lose Latinos” meme. It’s simply not true. Latinos do not vote or think as a monolithic thinking group. A 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation Hispanic-American is more concerned about other issues. Stop acting like the Democrats who treat every race that isn’t white as a stereotype who makes decisions based on their race instead of their individual circumstances.

cpaulus on July 30, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Not all Hispanic Americans come from Mexico. Many of them from Puerto Rico, Cuba, or South America couldn’t care less about the Mexican border, and many of those who immigrated LEGALLY, paying lots of money and jumping through lots of bureaucratic hoops to get here, RESENT those who sneak over the border for free.

In the last poll of a large sample of Hispanics, Republicans were getting over 40% of the generic Congressional vote. Let the border states worry about the Mexican border, and let Hispanics in other states vote on other issues. The Hispanics’ positions on taxes, Federal spending, the economy, and abortion are similar to those of whites, so let’s win them on those issues, and leave immigration alone.

Steve Z on July 30, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Upinak, you are dishonest.

You are refusing to see what is in front of your face, Palin is for a path to citizenship.

By the way, I’ve voted R in every election since 1988, so don’t try and paint me as an Alex Jones/Ron Paul type.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:44 PM

I have one this to post for you:

http://www.securetheborder.com

Have a nice day. :)

There is nothing at that link. lol.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM

seems to me you are the only one who is getting serious. Most of us are like, yeah WTF ever!

upinak on July 30, 2010 at 6:32 PM

upinak: True Dat,2 more years to go,of America Held
Socialist Hostage!!————–:)

canopfor on July 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:44 PM

So where’s your criticism of Romney?

technopeasant on July 30, 2010 at 6:46 PM

There is nothing at that link. lol.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM

opps. I did .com and not .org.

http://www.securetheborder.org/

Keep trying.

upinak on July 30, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Mitt Romney is very good at dealing with these types of issues on a political level. If he thinks the issue should be dealt with before 2012, there is probably a very sound reason for such a position based on mounds of data. Romney is very thourough. His people have probably researched this issue to death and have come up with one result: immigration is a killer issue in the same way the gay marriage was a killer issue for Democrats.

RedSoxNation on July 30, 2010 at 6:48 PM

HondaV65 on July 30, 2010 at 6:39 PM
__________________________________

Bravo, bravo!!! Excellent comment!!

You left out one small part, that, as a woman bugs the heck out of me….the pic with the post would have been the Palin wink photo. You, know, the one AP has taped to his bathroom mirror?

Am I the only one who sees the SEXIST ways of AP?

Bikerchick on July 30, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a front-runner for the nomination, has signaled quietly to Graham that Republicans must address immigration before the campaign heats up, according to several sources familiar with the conversation.

If this is true, then Romney, whom I supported in 2008, will be the brunt of satire coming from all directions.

Tav on July 30, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Not all Hispanic Americans come from Mexico. Many of them from Puerto Rico, Cuba, or South America couldn’t care less about the Mexican border, and many of those who immigrated LEGALLY, paying lots of money and jumping through lots of bureaucratic hoops to get here, RESENT those who sneak over the border for free.

True.

In the last poll of a large sample of Hispanics, Republicans were getting over 40% of the generic Congressional vote.

For the last 40 years, Hispanics have voted at best 2:1 for the Scumocrats, that’s all that matters.

The Hispanics’ positions on taxes, Federal spending, the economy, and abortion are similar to those of whites, so let’s win them on those issues,

What? No, they do not approximate whites on those issues, they are 20 points left of us on those issues, and 40% of something is losing…

and leave immigration alone.

No, let’s preach conservatism to all, and let the chips fall where they may. And let’s enforce our immigration laws, for the safety of all Americans.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:51 PM

You, know, the one AP has taped to his bathroom mirror?

Am I the only one who sees the SEXIST ways of AP?

Bikerchick on July 30, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Bikerchick:(bathroom mirror) Thats for Allah`s cats!!
(I`m kidding):)

canopfor on July 30, 2010 at 6:53 PM

So where’s your criticism of Romney?

Romney is unacceptable for 3 reasons:

Romneycare
overall trustworthiness
his immigration plan contains a touchback provision, which is another amnesty dodge.

No to Romney.

But Sarah Palin is ok with amnesty. If she denies it, she lies.

opps. I did .com and not .org.

http://www.securetheborder.org/

Keep trying.

This dispute is about path to citizenship, not securing the border. If you have a refutation of Sarah’s support for a Path to Cit, then post it.

right now the record shows Sarah Palin is for a path to citizenship, which is amnesty.

Therefore it is correct to say that Sarah Palin is for amnesty.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:55 PM

No, but neither will posts like this earn me any credit from the Palinistas who insist that I’m some sort of Romney shill. Oh well.

Allahpundit on July 30, 2010 at 6:08 PM

More posts like this and less dishonesty and selective poll posting certainly will.

You know, things like posting a poll saying Sarah is a dud one day, but passing on a poll, from the same bunch PPP the next, that says the opposite of what you had asserted, doesn’t make you any friends among the Palinistas.

We get you’d rather see someone else as the front runner, and can handle that. It’s the continual attempt to look for any little thing to make her look bad that is aggravating. You seemingly go out of your way to.

Face it, she is the front runner, if she runs. When all of the people she has endorsed win in November, it will be hard to stop her.

Just treat the woman fair, and it’ll be fine.

gary4205 on July 30, 2010 at 6:58 PM

FACT:

Sarah Palin supports amnesty, despite all her protestations to the contrary.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:00 PM

This dispute is about path to citizenship, not securing the border. If you have a refutation of Sarah’s support for a Path to Cit, then post it.

right now the record shows Sarah Palin is for a path to citizenship, which is amnesty.

Therefore it is correct to say that Sarah Palin is for amnesty.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 6:55 PM

LMFAO! You obviously didn’t see the video where she says a few things. Keep TRYING!

upinak on July 30, 2010 at 7:02 PM

I’ve got a news flash for the political intelligentsia, there is NO “burgeoning Hispanic vote”.

Town near here was investigated by the Feds for a seeming lack of ‘Hispanic’ involvement in local politics. Seems the end result was, not only have they NOT run for office, the registrar’s office shows they don’t particularly want to register to vote either.

GarandFan on July 30, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a front-runner for the nomination, has signaled quietly to Graham that Republicans must address immigration before the campaign heats up, according to several sources familiar with the conversation.

Exit question: Any fallout over this for him, or no biggie?

You want to know who you are, Mitt Romney? Huh? Huh? You don’t, I do, everyone does… you’re the son of a thousand fathers, all weaselly back stabbing bastards like you.

Tuco on July 30, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Why dont you post the relevant text, like I did?

Are you denying she supports a path to citizenship?

If you are, then you must be insane, because I have quoted her saying so.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:04 PM

It would be so nice if something Mitt Romney did made sense for a change.

Cheshire Cat on July 30, 2010 at 7:06 PM

I’m not for Romney at all. I don’t trust Romney one bit.

All I’m saying is, Sarah Palin supports a path to citizenship for current illegals, which is amnesty.

And I have proved it with her own words.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM

If Mitt Romney would just read the directions on how to be a real American leader then maybe directly he would be directed in the right direction.

Cheshire Cat on July 30, 2010 at 7:09 PM

All I’m saying is, Sarah Palin supports a path to citizenship for current illegals, which is amnesty.

And I have proved it with her own words.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM

When did she say that?

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 7:10 PM

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:04 PM

Umm because it is a youtube video. DUH!

upinak on July 30, 2010 at 7:11 PM

Mitt’s campaign won’t go anywhere. Primarily because of healthcare. This will be a big and distinguishing issue.

I am not really bothered about him.

antisocial on July 30, 2010 at 7:14 PM

Mitt Romney has so many different ever changing positions on so many different issues that not only will he soon have trouble keeping them all straight but in the heat of the campaign he may even forget who he is. I have had only a few patients over the years with such a profound case of multi-personalty disorder and believe me, it does not usually end well.

Sigmund on July 30, 2010 at 7:15 PM

Me and Maria and our 10 ninos all love senor Romney and will all vote for him mucho times.

NoBordersJose on July 30, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Mitt Romney is very good at dealing with these types of issues on a political level. If he thinks the issue should be dealt with before 2012, there is probably a very sound reason for such a position based on mounds of data. Romney is very thourough. His people have probably researched this issue to death and have come up with one result: immigration is a killer issue in the same way the gay marriage was a killer issue for Democrats.

RedSoxNation on July 30, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Mitt Romney is a coward and a political whore.

He wants amnesty now hoping he won’t have to deal with it in 2012, because his idiotic positions will sink him like a big lead weight.

Romney is the very essence of the type of phony-baloney plastic banana kind of worthless politician we are trying to flush down the toilet!

Willard represents the very worst Politics has to offer.

gary4205 on July 30, 2010 at 7:17 PM

When did she say that?

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 7:10 PM

July 09, 2010, on the Bill O Reilly show, the O’ Reilly factor….

Why does that matter?

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:27 PM

All I’m saying is, Sarah Palin supports a path to citizenship for current illegals, which is amnesty.

And I have proved it with her own words.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM

Stop lying. Others have posted many links to her position on this. She’s on the record of being against amnesty.

Remember the day Jan Brewer signed the Arizona law? Guess who was the ONLY one literally standing beside her. Sarah Palin.

Then they went to a ball game. A VERY public way of saying Sarah was on the side of good vs evil. After that Sarah cut a video for Brewer’s “Secure the Border” website!

Sarah has consistently been on the side of stopping illegal immigration, and securing the boarder.

Hell, go to her Twitter account, she was kicking Obama’s ass yesterday for going on the View, but not coming to Arizona and not securing the boarder.

She is very passionate on this subject.

Go back and look at the O’Reilly video that’s posted. She was ready to reach through the camera and rip Bill to shreds because he was shilling for amnesty, and trying to get her to as well.

Hell, do some work and trip over to the Fox Business Channel website look for the interviews she did over there. She has a very strong stance.

Just because you keep repeating your BS doesn’t make it so.

gary4205 on July 30, 2010 at 7:27 PM

Why does that matter?

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:27 PM

If it was during the McCain campaign that means something different. A VP candidate doesn’t undercut the Presidential campaign.

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 7:29 PM

Stop lying. Others have posted many links to her position on this. She’s on the record of being against amnesty.

You fool, she is against amnesty as she defines it, but would allow current illegals to stay, she even mentions immigration reform….

That’s amnesty. How STUPID and GULLIBLE can you be? What a fool.

She opposes amnesty, but then goes on to say that if current illegals would register and work, she would allow them to “stay and contribute”…

That is amnesty.

LOL, I guess you’re so shocked you can’t get it thru your head. Sarah Palin is for amnesty.

By her own words.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:31 PM

If it was during the McCain campaign that means something different. A VP candidate doesn’t undercut the Presidential campaign.

Well it was this month.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:32 PM

gary4205 on July 30, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Excuse me for piggybacking off your comment, but juju if I were as eloquent as gary, that is what I would said.

technopeasant on July 30, 2010 at 7:32 PM

You people are utterly blind in your denial of written facts.

I pity you.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Notice how there have now been two instances of “anonymous sources” quoted in the lib media within the past week or two, both involving Mitt Romney? All part of the lib media’s plan to push Sarah Palin as the Republican nominee, just like they pushed McCain in 2008.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Mitt Romney is a coward and a political whore.

He wants amnesty now hoping he won’t have to deal with it in 2012, because his idiotic positions will sink him like a big lead weight.

Romney is the very essence of the type of phony-baloney plastic banana kind of worthless politician we are trying to flush down the toilet!

Willard represents the very worst Politics has to offer.

You are missing the bigger picture. More than anyone else, Romney would get the economy back on track and set us on a course similar to Ronald Reagan. You should note that many of the same criticisms that people are making of Romney were made against Reagan, including criticisms with issues related to immigration.

One last thing: if Romney had run against Obama, he would have been ruthless in a way that McCain refused to be. Among other things, he would have found a way to make the Rev. Wright thing stick, and he would have run circles around Obama on economic issues.

Romney is not perfect, but he can win the White House, and he will be a very good President.

If you want the perfect candidate, you might as well vote for Obama in 2012.

P.S. Is it really necesssary to refer to Romney as a “whore”; he is probably the most ethical candidate from both parties on a business and a personal level.

RedSoxNation on July 30, 2010 at 7:37 PM

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:35 PM

PopTech… so when did Allah or Ed let you back in?

upinak on July 30, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Notice how there have now been two instances of “anonymous sources” quoted in the lib media within the past week or two, both involving Mitt Romney? All part of the lib media’s plan to push Sarah Palin as the Republican nominee, just like they pushed McCain in 2008.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 7:35 PM

Yeah, the media just luvs Sarah Palin!

I guess you are part of the say anything Romney campaign. Romney certainly leads by example doesn’t he!

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 7:38 PM

You are missing the bigger picture. More than anyone else, Romney would get the economy back on track and set us on a course similar to Ronald Reagan. You should note that many of the same criticisms that people are making of Romney were made against Reagan, including criticisms with issues related to immigration.

Now THAT is some REAL dishonesty. Reagan hated amnesty, was tricked into it, regretted it, and lamented it.

Amnesty is everything, because if it passes, we will have 40 blues states, and we will lose on the economy and everything else. If you give the USA a leftist electorate, what issues do conservatives expect to win?

Get your head on straight.

Anyone who passes socialized medicine, as Mitt did in MA, is unfit for the office of POTUS.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Yeah, the media just luvs Sarah Palin!

I guess you are part of the say anything Romney campaign. Romney certainly leads by example doesn’t he!

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Yeah, they “luvs” the idea of her as the Republican nominee because they know that gives Obama his best shot at reelection.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 7:41 PM

PopTech… so when did Allah or Ed let you back in?

I see, having lost the issue, you are trying ad hominem. Bravo.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:41 PM

You are missing the bigger picture. More than anyone else, Romney would get the economy back on track and set us on a course similar to Ronald Reagan.

Romney ain’t Reagan, and how did he do with the Massachusetts economy? Wasn’t it close to being the worst in the nation?

One last thing: if Romney had run against Obama, he would have been ruthless in a way that McCain refused to be. Among other things, he would have found a way to make the Rev. Wright thing stick

Yet he acted the weak sister with McCain spouting off nonsense in the debates. He was passive and accepting, but somehow if he had been chosen he would suddenly transform into a spitfire? Sure.

RedSoxNation on July 30, 2010 at 7:37 PM

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 7:45 PM

Would that be the Politico that has all the Jlisters on board?

d1carter on July 30, 2010 at 7:46 PM

Romney lost to McCain, who then lost badly to Obama. It does not follow that Romney would have beaten Obama.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:46 PM

FACT:

Sarah Palin supports amnesty, despite all her protestations to the contrary.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:00 PM

FACT:

Sarah Palin suppports partial birth abortion, despite all her protestations to the contrary.

FACT:

Sarah Palin believes left-handers should be imprisoned, despite all her protestations to the contrary.

We could do this all day.

Romney allegedly steps in it, and Palin’s the one raked over the coals. LOL Typical.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 7:49 PM

Now THAT is some REAL dishonesty. Reagan hated amnesty, was tricked into it, regretted it, and lamented it.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:40 PM

No, Reagan didn’t hate amnesty in itself. Reagan hated the fact that there was no concurrent strengthening of border security.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 7:52 PM

No, Reagan didn’t hate amnesty in itself.

You’re a liar. Reagan reluctantly agreed to conditions, he got doublecrossed, and regretted it.

You’re just flatly dishonest, and mischaracterizing the entire debate.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 7:49 PM

I never said those other things, and you’re hopelessly dishonest.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:55 PM

It’s going to be fun when Sarah Palin runs and has to start giving definitive answers to these questions. Will her supporters still be claiming that “she had to say that because of McCain!”? Just wonderin…

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:01 PM

No, Reagan didn’t hate amnesty in itself.

You’re a liar. Reagan reluctantly agreed to conditions, he got doublecrossed, and regretted it.

Not according to Ed Meese:

He also agreed with the legislation in adjusting the status of immigrants—even if they had entered illegally—who were law-abiding long-term residents, many of whom had children in the United States. Illegal immigrants who could establish that they had resided in America continuously for five years would be granted temporary resident status, which could be upgraded to permanent residency after 18 months and, after another five years, to citizenship. It wasn’t automatic. They had to pay application fees, learn to speak English, understand American civics, pass

Source. Now how would that differ from what you accuse Palin of supporting? Palin has stated that border security is the number one issue.

I never said those other things, and you’re hopelessly dishonest.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 7:55 PM

You didn’t have to say them. I was just following your logic.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM

It’s going to be fun when Sarah Palin runs and has to start giving definitive answers to these questions.
JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:01 PM

It’ll be good when Romney does as well. On health care mandates as well. It’s called a “primary”.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:05 PM

It makes sense that Romney would be working with Graham as Romney wanted so much to be McCain’s VP. Don’t forget that Romney is working hard to make sure McCain wins the primary.

Romney, rest assured, does have a new landscaping service working on his properties.

texasconserv on July 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM

It’ll be good when Romney does as well. On health care mandates as well. It’s called a “primary”.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:05 PM

You’re right, I can’t wait. I’m guessing there is going to be some mindblowing attempts at spin coming from the Palin supporters when “our Sarah” doesn’t turn out to be the rock-ribbed conservative that they’ve been painting her as.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM

You’re right, I can’t wait. I’m guessing there is going to be some mindblowing attempts at spin coming from the Palin supporters when “our Sarah” doesn’t turn out to be the rock-ribbed conservative that they’ve been painting her as.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Not very many would paint her as “rock-ribbed”. In fact, many would characterize her as conservative with libertarian leanings.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:12 PM

You’re right, I can’t wait. I’m guessing there is going to be some mindblowing attempts at spin coming from the Palin supporters when “our Sarah” doesn’t turn out to be the rock-ribbed conservative that they’ve been painting her as.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Sarah Palin only seems like a rock-hard conservative due to the squishy’s running. She is a right-leaning moderate.

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 8:14 PM

^ Well, it’s a handy smear though to any pro-lifer: “Palin’s an extreme right-wing nut”. Nothing could be further from the truth. Someone like Bachmann is more “rock-ribbed”.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:17 PM

I used to like Mitt Romney until I got a good look at him. Was it the fake smile, the greasy hair, the money, the tan, the voice, so boring or the good old boy make-up?

He pretends to know but knows nothing.

He thinks his money will buy the nomination.

He knows nothing about the heart and soul of America.

When America starts paying attention and gets to know him they will come to the same conclusion as I did.

If he looks like one then he is one.

Stay in California the next new place you now call home.

That is all you need to know about the man.

oldyeller on July 30, 2010 at 8:19 PM

I used to like Mitt Romney until I got a good look at him. Was it the fake smile, the greasy hair, the money, the tan, the voice, so boring or the good old boy make-up?

He pretends to know but knows nothing.

He thinks his money will buy the nomination.

He knows nothing about the heart and soul of America.

When America starts paying attention and gets to know him they will come to the same conclusion as I did.

If he looks like one then he is one.

Stay in California the next new place you now call home.

That is all you need to know about the man.

oldyeller on July 30, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Nah, I think Mitt’s a decent, accomplished and intelligent man. You can have money and be decent (and Palin’s not exactly poor now). I just don’t like the idea of him as standard-bearer in 2012. He just doesn’t have it in him.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:21 PM

People in Michigan have a chance to send President Obama a message August 3rd!

President Obama is trying to knock down Michigan’s best chance at finally having a conservative governor, but we can’t let Obama win! The stakes of this election are simply too high!

dnlchisholm on July 30, 2010 at 8:21 PM

Not very many would paint her as “rock-ribbed”. In fact, many would characterize her as conservative with libertarian leanings.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Sarah Palin only seems like a rock-hard conservative due to the squishy’s running. She is a right-leaning moderate.

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 8:14 PM

Hmmm, an attempt at backpedaling already? If not, then the only other explanation is that you’ve been living under a rock because her supporters are continually trumpeting about what a true conservative she is.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:22 PM

^ And I don’t see much that’s damaging in this Politico story at all, to be honest.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:22 PM

If not, then the only other explanation is that you’ve been living under a rock because her supporters are continually trumpeting about what a true conservative she is.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:22 PM

No, it’s that we have more confidence in her following conservative ideals than the other prospects.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:23 PM


It’s going to be fun when Sarah Palin runs and has to start giving definitive answers to these questions. Will her supporters still be claiming that “she had to say that because of McCain!”? Just wonderin…

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:01 PM

She will give definitiv answers just like Mitt does.

oldyeller on July 30, 2010 at 8:23 PM

Was it the fake smile, the greasy hair, the money, the tan, the voice, so boring or the good old boy make-up?
oldyeller on July 30, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Hey, at least he doesn’t have tattoed-on lipliner like some other famous Republican.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:24 PM

Here’s the transcript of the O’Reilly/Palin interview

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/07/13/Illegal_Immigration_OReilly_batters_Sarah_Palin_on_amnesty_v/

It’s very clear that Palin’s priorities are border security and deportation- those are the things she brings up on her own. Later, O’Reilly does badger her into agreeing that after the border is secure, some of those who are here illegally should be allowed to stay and work, but she insists that the process shouldn’t be easy for them, and she doesn’t say anything about a path to citizenship (which is the real problem with amnesty). So from the perspective of an immigration hawk (like me), her stance isn’t perfect, but it’s not bad- probably much better than what we’d get with Romney. I’d prefer “enforcement only”, but can live with “enforcement first” and then fighting to kill amnesty after the border is secure (and based on her attitude in this interview, I doubt that a President Palin would really push all that hard for amnesty at that point anyway).

Jon0815 on July 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM

her supporters are continually trumpeting about what a true conservative she is.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:22 PM

I like Sarah Palin. So I guess that makes me one of her supporters, but she isn’t a solid conservative. There are none on the political stage at the moment.

She is the most conservative is all.

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 8:31 PM

She is the most conservative is all.

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 8:31 PM

We’ll find out if that’s true during the primary. There are a lot of unknowns about her now and a lot of wishful thinking by her supporters.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Hey, at least he doesn’t have tattoed-on lipliner like some other famous Republican.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:24 PM

Is that the sort of tactics Mittbots are reduced to trying now? Pathetic.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:36 PM

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Since Romney is a liberal, who do you think is more conservative than she is? I haven’t heard too much of Pawlenty, but Thune is a squishy.

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Is that the sort of tactics Mittbots are reduced to trying now? Pathetic.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:36 PM

So it’s okay to describe Mitt Romney as “fake”, “plastic”, “greasy”, “makeup wearing” etc…but the tattoed-on lipliner is off limits? Why, does that topic embarrass the Palin supporters?

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Hey, at least he doesn’t have tattoed-on lipliner like some other famous Republican.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:24 PM

Is that the sort of tactics Mittbots are reduced to trying now? Pathetic.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Next thing you know, it’ll be “Well at least Mitt didn’t have a daughter who gave birth to a Down syndrome child that he tried to pass off as his own…”

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:39 PM

So it’s okay to describe Mitt Romney as “fake”, “plastic”, “greasy”, “makeup wearing” etc…but the tattoed-on lipliner is off limits? Why, does that topic embarrass the Palin supporters?

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Proof of it? The only links I see are to HuffPo. Good news source for your anti-Palin jonesin’.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Proof of it? The only links I see are to HuffPo. Good news source for your anti-Palin jonesin’.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Check out pictures of Sarah Palin. The lipliner is very noticeable and ever present. I don’t know if it is tattooed but it sure looks like it.

Again, I wouldn’t have brought this up except I notice that you Palin supporters have no qualms about ripping on the appearance of other potential candidates.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:46 PM

I haven’t heard too much of Pawlenty, but Thune is a squishy.

Thune may be sort of squishy on fiscal issues, but he has a very conservative voting record on social issues, including immigration.

Jon0815 on July 30, 2010 at 8:46 PM

So it’s okay to describe Mitt Romney as “fake”, “plastic”, “greasy”, “makeup wearing” etc…but the tattoed-on lipliner is off limits? Why, does that topic embarrass the Palin supporters?
JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:39 PM

You answered your own question: because he’s a “fake” and she isn’t. I couldn’t care less if she had tattoos traveling from her ankle to the nape of neck, nor for that matter if he did. He’s a fake and she isn’t.

And if she didn’t exist, I’d still mock and jeer him. Because he’s a fake and I’ve had it with fakes.

rrpjr on July 30, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Jon0815 on July 30, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Interesting. Would be nice to have some more conservatives running.

sharrukin on July 30, 2010 at 8:57 PM

“If the Republican Party embraces ending birthright citizenship, then it will be assured losing Latino and ethnic voters

BS.

Maybe Latino voters. But I’m sure lots of Italians and Koreans and other “ethnic” voters would support it fully. This is because most “ethnic” voters came here legally.

angryed on July 30, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Option 1 for GOP:

Amnesty. 20 million new Democrat voters for life, please Hispanics who vote Dem and will continue to do so.

Option 2: No amnesty. Piss off Hispanics who already vote Democrat but don’t have 20 million new Dem voters for life.

Why is Option 1 the better option?

angryed on July 30, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Check out pictures of Sarah Palin. The lipliner is very noticeable and ever present. I don’t know if it is tattooed but it sure looks like it.

I don’t know if it’s tattooed, but hell it’s a good HuffPo smear so I’m going with it! And she’s had a boob job too!

Again, I wouldn’t have brought this up except I notice that you Palin supporters have no qualms about ripping on the appearance of other potential candidates.

JA on July 30, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Oh, of course not. One commenter mentions Romney’s physical appearance and then it’s “you Palin supporters”. Folks like you aren’t doing your guy any good at all.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Is Romney quietly asking Grahamnesty to get “immigration reform” done before 2012 so he won’t have to take a position on the unsettled subject?

And, it appears that the Republican John Kerry is teaming up with Grahamnesty? Which one is the sidekick?

Gohawgs on July 30, 2010 at 9:09 PM

Is Romney quietly asking Grahamnesty to get “immigration reform” done before 2012 so he won’t have to take a position on the unsettled subject?

Gohawgs on July 30, 2010 at 9:09 PM

LOL…you may be right.

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Later, O’Reilly does badger her into agreeing that after the border is secure, some of those who are here illegally should be allowed to stay and work, but she insists that the process shouldn’t be easy for them, and she doesn’t say anything about a path to citizenship

Well, I agree somewhat. The point is that she did not have to offer any sort of reform that grants legal status, yet she did, and that is very troublesome.

And also, legal status will eventually result in citizenship, to deny that is very naive. Legal status becomes citizenship down the road.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 9:18 PM

ddrintn on July 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM

I hate to admit it, but you are right, and I apologize for calling you a liar.

rightwingyahooo on July 30, 2010 at 9:29 PM

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