Palin passes two million fans on Facebook
posted at 9:26 pm on July 29, 2010 by Allahpundit
The C4P crowd is celebrating, with good reason. Although The One, thanks to the presidential pulpit, has many more fans than she does, no other American pol has leveraged social media more effectively to broadcast their message. And needless to say, it shows: By comparison, Romney stands at 470,000 fans and Huckabee at 376,000. Even the Cult of Paul can only manage 240,000 for their man. Put ‘em all together and you’re slightly more than halfway to her own following. Whether that means her base is larger than anyone thinks or that it’s simply more eager to follow her every rhetorical move, I guess we’ll wait for the primaries to decide.
In honor of the occasion, via devoted longtime Palin supporter Tim L., some light humor from her, er, admirers in Germany. This is clearly a goof, but an unusually elaborate one: They’ve got a webpage, a Facebook page, and even a Twitter feed. Exit question: Is Palinmania going global?
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I never rescind or threaten anyone’s rights. I simply exercise my own in return. The second part is what you don’t like. I guess you consider my rights worthless.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 12:09 AM
To be accurate, I said that the only posters I have seen attack other posters as regularly as you and Bee are trolls. I’m sorry to deprive you of the courage you derive from hiding within the pack you have named above, but I didn’t call any of them trolls. I guess truth in reporting would be nice, if the the truth was ever on your side.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 12:11 AM
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 12:16 AM
You have the freedom to say whatever you want, in so far HA will let you, and they have the right to limit your speech if they so choose.
You will never have the right to say or do something that offends the dignity and worth of a fellow human being.
Being free to do these things and claiming them as your right are two very different things.
Hence, I tell you that you have no right to insult, degrade and take your anger issues out on others, even though in this forum, so far, you are free to do so.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 12:21 AM
Spoken like a true CAIR member. Your knowledge of the First Amendment is staggering.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 12:40 AM
Well Jenfidel, if I didn’t know better, I would say it’s almost like some “conservatives” here are:
Going on a hate-spree, personally attacking, gleefully and spitefully smearing and name calling (and the same characters have been doing it all over several threads for some time now) any poster whom they deem too enthusiastic (cultish) a supporter for a woman who may or may not run for president, or any poster who may hold strong beliefs which differ from theirs…
And lo and behold, this same woman who may or may not run for president has also been the target of a hate-spree, personally attacked, gleefully and spitefully smeared and name called by some of the most loathsome Leftists in the business….
If I didn’t know better, I would say that the place was choking thick with irony….oh, wait….
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 12:41 AM
That’s one hell of an attack you’re making on people here.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 12:45 AM
Could you really not understand the simple concept just outlined above? Were you also orphaned and raised by wolves?
I give up. Goodnight.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 12:48 AM
Bill of Rights.
Goodnight. Work on that hatred.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 12:51 AM
Why don’t you all stop behaving like spoiled children on a playground and knock off the childish nonsense. These he said, she said, spats are boring and counter productive. They certainly don’t make for entertaining reading or raise the level of political discussion. Instead they just bring it down to something like one might expect to find at HuffPo or some such place. I’d like to think we can do better than that. Or is this what you seek?
Blake actually said something relevant about Sarah having only 2 million so called “friends” on Facebook while the big Zero has something like 11 million. He also intimated that it would take around 62 million to get elected and that 2 million is a long way from there. I think this last bit is a misleading statement, probably intentional.
No one knows what Sarah’s support level is at this point. If you go by how her endorsees are doing it should be fairly high. She is by far the fav of the Tea Party crowd and the 9-12ers and they are an unknown quantity at this point. It remains to be seen how much effort they would bring to a campaign she might wage against the 0. I suspect it would be a considerable effort. Any relevent comments?
shmendrick on July 31, 2010 at 1:01 AM
Yes, thanks for making it easier to explain to you the difference between the freedom to do something and the right to do something.
When the Founders wrote the Bill of Rights, it stated those things (rights) that were part of the very nature of Man and conferred on Man by God, not by man, men or government. None of these rights included a violation of the dignity or worth of man.
Another example would be abortion. There has always existed the freedom to take the life of an unborn child – that freedom is very easily exercised in our modern day abortion mills.
However, there has never existed the RIGHT to take the life of an unborn child, regardless of the freedom of a human being to do so.
In fact, it is an intrinsic evil to take the life of an unborn child, and an abuse of the gift of freedom conferred upon every person by their Creator.
And, there is never a right to do an intrinsic evil.
As far as working on hate – please don’t try to project your problem with posting nasty, ugly comments to posters you don’t agree with to me. If anyone reads this thread, or many others that you have posted on, they will see that the hate problem is not mine.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 1:10 AM
I don’t believe that the Constitution guarantees you the right not to be offended. There are many things said and done that are against good societal norms but they are not illegal.
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2010 at 1:13 AM
I appreciate your post and intelligent analysis. Please continue to be the voice of reason and defense, when needed, for those who become victims of the “drive-by” postings of bee and mc.
As for Sarah Palin, in full campaign mode, she could very well be a force of shock and awe. She has made more than her share of waves in the body politic; if I’m not mistaken her new book will be treatises on the pressing issues of our time. Policy heavy. Who else has done what she has, and with so much incredible venom coming her way from all of the “heaviest hitters”, and still stands stronger than before. Any one of us would crumble under the weight of her attacks, and her peers, i.e., Newt, T=Paw, Huck, Mittens, have done nothing but hide from taking on Berry, while Sarah schools him every chance she gets. She has courage.
That alone is a rare quality in these times.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 1:25 AM
I don’t see that any of her perceived negatives are any worse than any other possible candidate. I do think that when a person really favors one candidate over another, they take those things more personally then necessary. With this much time before 2012 and the dire need to work on Congress in 2010, I think it’s smart to just sit back and watch. That’s just me.
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2010 at 1:30 AM
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 1:25 AM
Thanks muchly for your supportive comments. I believe if Sarah and the 0 ever went head to head she would eviserate him at every turn and his duplicitousness would end up being on display for all to see. In a presidential election with the hyper coverage of the candidates, even by the alphabet networks, there will be so much raw footage aired that it will be more difficult for the media to cover for Barry’s frequent flubs and fibs. The truth eventually will come out and she will be the beneficiary as we all would be if he loses and she wins.
shmendrick on July 31, 2010 at 1:37 AM
That was not my point, Cindy. I didn’t address that issue. However, I also don’t believe that there is a guarantee against being offended.
But getting back to my point: I said that man does not have the RIGHT, even though he may have the FREEDOM, to attack the dignity and worth of a fellow human being.
And, there are many things that are legal, and are perpetrated, because we are FREE, (as God made us), to choose to do these things, i.e., abortion, but that in no way implies that we have the RIGHT to them.
The Leftist will tell you that abortion is a RIGHT. The Founders would have told you, as would the Founder’s Creator, that it is an abuse of the unborn human’s RIGHT to life, through the abuse of the perpetrator’s FREEDOM.
Just because someone CAN do something, i.e., attack, insult, smear, or worse, doesn’t mean that there is a RIGHT to do it.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 1:40 AM
My late father always used to say, “The truth will out.”
I know were he here, a veteran of WWII, he would have some choice observations for the excuse sitting in the Oval Office. He was a general contractor when Carter took the interest rates over 23% and he lost a choice parcel of land, all of his money and all of his investors money, to the banks. He called it then, saying the banks and government were stealing from the people, and I can only imagine how he would feel for those who are going through what he went through under Carter, but even worse with obama.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 1:47 AM
You first.
tigerlily isn’t exhibiting any hatred, BTW.
Tigerlily, shmendrick and Blake: God bless you for standing up for what’s right, true and decent!
Jenfidel on July 31, 2010 at 1:59 AM
Yes, man does. Bill of Rights. That still flew over your head because you’re operating on your own custom definition of rights that has nothing to do with the laws of this nation, which you apparently care nothing for if they are not serving your own purposes. You’re using some stupid abortion comparison, when there is no mention of abortion in the constitution or, more specifically, the Bill of Rights.
We have the right to verbally attack anyone we choose. It’s called freedom of expression, prohibiting the government from punishing anyone who exercises that right. You wish it were different. Too bad for you.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 2:11 AM
I don’t hate tigerlily. Nor do I even hate you, much as you believe otherwise.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 2:12 AM
Since this is one of your favorite strawmem, I’ll put it out of it’s misery right now.
Whether you engage in “worship” or “non-worship” of Palin, you are still angry, mean-spirited and eager to insult posters on a personal and sometimes foul and vulgar level.
Whether you support “gay marriage” or not, you are still angry, mean-spirited and eager to insult posters on a personal and sometimes foul and vulgar level.
You see, your political views and opinions don’t have anything to do with your hostility and nastiness toward others, either instigated by you, or joined by you with reckless glee.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 2:19 AM
As a truth perceived and elucidated by our Founders, a RIGHT comes not from Man, but from God.
God does not confer the RIGHT to harm, or insult the dignity or worth of a fellow human being. God does not consider sin a RIGHT.
He does allow us to use (or abuse) the FREEDOM that He endowed us with to harm, or insult the dignity or worth of a fellow human being. You are FREE to sin, but you do not have the RIGHT to do so.
You, mc, are free, in so far as HA will allow you (they have the RIGHT to silence you on this forum if they so choose, how about that?)to insult and degrade others. You are FREE to say in this forum many offensive and insulting things. That does NOT mean that you have a RIGHT to act in such a manner.
And the abortion analogy is apt, for those who have ears to hear.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 2:27 AM
You have no “right” to verbally attack anyone on this blog: it’s privately owned, not owned by the government, and personal attacks on other posters are actually proscribed by HA’s own terms of service.
Too bad for you.
Jenfidel on July 31, 2010 at 2:28 AM
Then is someone impersonating you? Because whoever is writing posts with your name attached is doing a great job…
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 2:32 AM
That’s awesome. The United States government considers what you are calling “sin” a right. So whatever version of god you believe in doesn’t have much bearing on it. Amazing how you appear to follow a different set of laws.
Let’s clear this up for you: you don’t have a right not to be offended. I have the right to say damn near anything I want, as do you. If you’re going to get technical about privileges on this website, stop discussing rights, as that’s a different issue.
Once again: you have no right not to be offended. You have a right not to read, or not to listen.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 2:50 AM
Let me put it this way and call it a night, mc.
You have the RIGHT (God given and recognized by the Founders) to freedom of speech.
You do not have the RIGHT but you do have the FREEDOM (God given and recognized by the Founders) to abuse your gift of freedom of speech.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 2:52 AM
You and a certain “president” I can think of have a deep love for straw men.
I never claimed anywhere at any time that I had a “right” not to be offended. I can’t argue with you anymore; you actually seem proud of being so angry and bitter towards others.
What I have had to say is clear as a bell, and I can’t engage with a person who attempts to put words into my mouth. All that indicates to me is a lack of ability to honestly debate.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 2:59 AM
Being offended isn’t the problem.
Personal attacks and the flagrant use of them as allegedly valid political argument is the problem here.
Jenfidel on July 31, 2010 at 2:59 AM
You did that already.
Given that I don’t believe in god, I don’t consider it god given. I sure as hell know he’s got nothing to do with enforcing it, especially for the rest of the world that doesn’t have it.
You sure have some twisted view of the word “right”. We have the RIGHT to freedom of expression. There have been exceptions, yelling fire in a crowd, etc…but attacking others falls under that right, whether you like it or not. And given that you’ve attacked me on multiple occasions in the past, your hypocrisy is overwhelming. You can attack me. I can attack you. We can all attack each other with our freedom of expression, and it’s our protected right to do so.
One big ol’ rhetorical question: ever insulted or degraded Obama? Olbermann? Matthews?
You know you have. As have I. As have most people here. The difference is that cultists like you only throw fits when the attacks are aimed at people you like. Get over it. The grief given to Allahpundit here over his Sarah Palin posts is ludicrous. He used to make the same sorts of posts about Fred Thompson back when he was running, and didn’t get nearly as much crap about it. Thompson’s principles and ideals were nearly identical to Palin’s. It’s not the principles that you cultists are rallying around. It’s the person. That’s the problem. Sarah Palin is human, Sarah Palin is flawed, and Sarah Palin is a politician. Come to terms with that, and stop attacking people who point out the truth to you.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 3:06 AM
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 3:08 AM
So stop doing it.
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 3:09 AM
Still hadn’t said a word to Jenfidel when she said this, but I’m the hostile, horrible attacker. She kept addressing me, and I ignored her several times…but no, I instigated this.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 3:14 AM
Deliberate refusal or inability to note reality even when it’s block quoted in front of their faces. A bit like all that slander Tigerlily accused me of…as if the thread weren’t available for me to post.
*sigh*
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 3:19 AM
Save us, madcow! You are our only hope!
Seriously, Palin is nothing like Obama. Never has been. She’s not a crooked politician from a crooked political city with a phonied-up resume (Constitutional law professor? Hah!) and all kinds of awards that she never earned.
But the moment she’s awarded the Nobel peace prize before becoming president, I promise I’ll apologize to you for doubting your doubt.
There Goes The Neighborhood on July 31, 2010 at 3:21 AM
Here in all it’s glory is your Master Strawman. This Strawman allows you to justify your “hostility” (your own word) toward Palin supporters who are really so much more than mere enthusiasts. You, the humble mc, have determined through an amazing feat that these Palin supporters don’t believe that Palin is “human, flawed or a politician”.
Funny, but I don’t remember seeing anyone say or intimate anything remotely like that.
How you can read minds and judge others to come up with that conclusion is truly amazing. You could make a lot of money with that talent.
In the mean time, keep using that amazing ability of mind reading and false accusation to help you tell yourself that your cause to insult and degrade is a righteous one. Why, you have decreed that these Palin supporters are really inhuman zombies, incapable of judging her upon her merits; unable to weigh pros and cons, and they even have the nerve to hope against hope that she turns out to be someone great for America!
No, if they say they like Palin and do not bow at your altar of qualifying that statement to your satisfaction, they must be shredded through the eyes of your Master Strawman; made less than intelligent beings; blind “cultists” who deserve your all-knowing wrath in order to come back to your self-defined reality.
Why don’t you try to let people just breathe for a change?
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 3:28 AM
Without an endless river of insulting and degrading comments aimed at the usual suspects HA would dry up and blow away.
Jen, up-thread Growsfins posted a link to The Greatest Jeneration blog. Was this your blog? If it was, I’d just like to say that you were definitely putting in some work!
Gang-of-One on July 31, 2010 at 3:35 AM
You’re talking about strawmen while accusing me of not letting people breathe?
I am a Palin supporter. I only insult Palin cultists. Considering the extreme positions I attack, only cultists would be offended. Your offense is your membership card.
And I thought you went to bed. Twice.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 3:37 AM
Again, you first.
And YOU are the one who started this flame war, not me, because you made the remarks that started it all off, not me.
I asked MC a question, he ignored it and that would have been the end of it, if not for your snarky interference because you think you’re his HA mommy or something and the thread thought policewoman.
Jenfidel on July 31, 2010 at 3:37 AM
Oh, and exemplary job dodging the question about insulting leftists, Ms. Crusader Against Insults.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 3:39 AM
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 3:41 AM
Palin “cultists,” as defined by you and “extreme,” also arbitrarily defined by you.
We’re all offended by your personal attacks!
What are you talking about?!?
I know that I myself and many others, also, have tried to defend and explain our support and yes, even devotion, to Sarah Palin as a political figure and conservative leader only to have you summarily reject our explanations, no matter how eloquent or well argued, and then call us “loons” and worse while continue to abuse us as “cultists.”
Apparently, once we’ve been condemned to MC Palin Cultist Hell, there is no reprieve.
Jenfidel on July 31, 2010 at 3:43 AM
You are dealing with a palinista!..good luck! :)
Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 3:43 AM
Earth to Bee, come in, Bee.
The thread in which YOU initiated your attack against me does not in any way exonerate you. It shows you to be the instigator and the offender, who never expected to get it thrown back at her.
And you have not been slandered, please don’t try playing the victim card. You have been outed. And I’ll keep calling you out as long as you feel free to roam threads, doing your little “drive-by” vicious postings to unsuspecting fellow HotAirians.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 3:44 AM
Well, do you?
You’re quite ready to talk about on the threads about homosexuality.
And you, Bee and lovingmyusa even chatted happily about it on this thread.
BTW, are you a member of the Facebook group called Hot Air Free Speech Zone that has discussions about how to get people banned from HA by clever use of flame wars and personal attacks?
ladyingray and lovingmyusa are.
Jenfidel on July 31, 2010 at 3:46 AM
Right. So, I’m now responsible for your own slander? Had I just left it there no harm no foul?
And if calling it to your attention, saying it was out of line while also offering my opinion on the actual topic of the thread is somehow wrong…then we’re all doing it wrong here on HA. Yes, Jen, including you.
Further clarification: I’m not his mommy. I’m a friend. He’s a bigger man than I (well, for obvious reasons) to have ignored it. Perhaps I should stop caring when I see a personal friend of mine offended, but, that would be contrary to who I am. I can’t ignore insults to them any more than ignore them. Pretty sure you’d do the same thing.
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 3:46 AM
That’s one place I’ll never go. As I said in another thread, if someone likes Palin, they don’t have to bow at mc’s little straw altar of qualifying the statement to his satisfaction. I know you were trying to be civil and polite in doing so, but now you know not to extend a hand to certain people, ’cause all you’ll pull back is a bloody stump.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 3:50 AM
We don’t need have your “truth” pointed out to us.
And if we show anything more than mild interest in Palin, we are attacked by you and your friends, called names and ridiculed.
You talk about your right to express your views and to have your opinions–what about our right to express our views and opinions?
And this place is supposed to be about civil discourse and reasoned argument…yet, I have yet to see you make one civil and reasoned argument for your position. EVER.
Nope, with you and increasingly with your friends, it’s only ridicule, name calling, personal attacks, harassment and vulgarity.
Jenfidel on July 31, 2010 at 3:53 AM
Both of you have openly and freely said you like this form of sexual conduct on this forum, so it’s not an insult, is it?
I know your M.O. and it was to stir up trouble.
Apparently, tigerlily and others have noticed the same thing.
Oops!
So much for your “I am Spartacus” moment.
Jenfidel on July 31, 2010 at 3:57 AM
It’s hard to imagine anything less conservative than favoring the government redefining marriage to include two men or two women.
First, it’s not conservative to want to fundamentally transform a basic social institution that predates governments everywhere.
Second, it’s far from conservative to think the government has the authority to change a social institution
Third, the Constitution clearly gives no such role to the government, and you clearly can’t call yourself an American conservative while proposing to ignore the Constitution.
Fourth, conservatives appreciate the value of traditional morality, and are cautious about declaring that “modern times” require changing it. The argument for “moving with the times” is fundamentally a progressive one.
And fifth, it should be obvious that changing something as fundamental as the definition of marriage will have far-reaching consequences, and even if it were to be done, it would be exceedingly wise to do it very slowly.
Your position on gay marriage is pretty much indistinguishable from the liberal position.
Do I think you’re conservative? Generally so, yes. You’ve listed a lot things you believe in to support that. But on the gay marriage issue, you sound like any other liberal. Even if I don’t agree with Jenfidel, I understand why she would think it.
There Goes The Neighborhood on July 31, 2010 at 4:00 AM
I don’t need exoneration since you are not my judge.
The thread in question, irrespective of topic (the black panther debate between M.K. and K.P.) you said that KP’s eyes were dead because of her pro abortion stance. You rambled a bit about that. I told you in a couple sentences that she was prolife and the superstition was “working out for you.” It devolved from there and you called me a godless pro abortion zealot amongst other things. That’s what happened. If “getting something thrown back at me” included irrational character assassination when someone has merely been discussing the content of your comments on the thread, sure, I didn’t exactly expect that. Delusional behavior always knocks me a bit off my feet initially.
So you calling me out on my behavior = righteous/good.
Me calling you and other posters out on their behavior = trollish, sniping, slanderous, gutter, being raised by wolves, etc.
Just so I’m clear.
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 4:00 AM
I abhor facebook and made that clear a few times on this site when I commented on Sarah’s penchant for using the service. So, no, I didn’t know about this group.
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 4:05 AM
Why did you you misquote my quote?
Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 4:08 AM
You’ll never be clear. And now your’re trying to portray yourself to Jenfidel, after one of the many fights which has been started by YOU, as an innocent bystander who was merely making a neutral, fact-filled comment instead of the sniping, snarking, snarling insulting comment that it is, and WAS MEANT TO BE BY YOU. As you did with me, and as you did on your own Palin/Gosselin post.
People can read, and so why bother to try to convince others that the fight that you are involved in, AND STARTED, is a really just a horrible blight on your good name. Because it’s just really a coincidence, isn’t it, that when the dust settles on an ugly confrontation, your fingerprints are all over it. It may be different posters: some you insult and they don’t respond, or do so and then don’t want to be pulled in further, some you start a prolonged war with. But the common denominator in all this unpleasantness is…you.
And regardless of what anyone that you are “talking to” at Hot Air thinks, your angry, offensive, nasty behavior toward others is immature, unprofessional and a black mark against HA’s reputation. I don’t think Michelle Malkin ever acted the way you do. Not for one minute.
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 4:22 AM
This is actually a very good point. Sometimes, these threads degenerate into arguments based on old disputes. In fact, a lot of the really long threads turn out to be made up primarily of three or four people carrying out a very long argument with lots of reference to past arguments.
I know at least one poster who rarely comments any more, who usually had something good to add: Professor Blather. He finds most of the threads to be too tiresome these days, as I recall.
Of course, some of this is inevitable. There wil be things about everyone that we find annoying. Madcon for example is usually reasonable, but always obsessing that there’s some sort of Palin cult that wants to put her on a pedestal and worship her.
I don’t see it. I see many staunch defenders of Palin, but even Romney, who I find plastic, has his staunch defenders. Fred! certainly had a bunch.
What seems more distinctive to me whenever Palin is mentioned is the sheer number of people who go on the attack. I think the Palinoiacs obsess far more than the Palinistas.
There Goes The Neighborhood on July 31, 2010 at 4:22 AM
Will you answer my question from above or from the QOTD? :)
Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 4:26 AM
Very well said, There Goes…
I think that some really good posters got the ban during the tensions when obamacare was rammed thru. I haven’t seen neurosculptor or Omaha Conservative for some time…
But, I also think some great thinkers are sitting it out, like you said. Where has Basil’s Best been? Anyway, as I have been scolded for saying that I’m going to bed 2X now, and have not, this time, I’m gone. Maybe….
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 4:32 AM
If you mean the “I hate children” thing, it was just a joke. I even pointed out that I deliberately left out a few words to completely change what you actually said.
Probably needed a /sarc tag, though, to ensure it wasn’t taken seriously. I figured no one would really think you were saying you hate children, but I should have remembered that you can’t count on people picking up the irony.
My apologies if it looked like an attack.
There Goes The Neighborhood on July 31, 2010 at 4:37 AM
Thanks for clearing that up. :)
PS..Every thing is cool!
Dire Straits on July 31, 2010 at 4:41 AM
Except on all those threads people fight in that I never participate in. I think I’ve been in probably 5-8 (trying to remember the topics) of these big battles on HA in over a year of commenting (I had another screenname). Sure, there’s been sniping…from all parties. Yet, overwhelmingly, my comments are either lighthearted, conversational or just observations.
And, yes, I’m aware people can read…hence my reposting and my disbelief at your/Jen’s revisionism. We don’t comment here in a vacuum. I expect people to take issue with me as I take issue with them…and neither of us should ever stop doing that.
Regarding MM: all I can say about this is perhaps take it up with the writers at the site.
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 4:43 AM
Do you mean the group you get to when you click on my name?
It’s completely open. There are no discussions about how to get people banned from HA. Never have been.
DarkCurrent on July 31, 2010 at 4:48 AM
You don’t “take issue” as normal people do. You don’t just say that you disagree and here’s why. No, you are angry and you attack people in a very personal and insulting way. It is very immature and unprofessional, especially coming from someone who wants to be successful in a medium which is all communication, all the time. I can tell you that you are going about it in exactly the wrong way. People skills you ain’t got, and it’s starting to get noticed more and more.
Regarding whether Michelle Malkin ever acted like or treated people the way you do, I already answered that rhetorical question by saying no, she didn’t. Not for one minute. Why on earth would I “take that up with the writers on this site?”
tigerlily on July 31, 2010 at 4:53 AM
I don’t know about the dispute in question, but I enjoyed your Green Room posts and other comments in general. As for the Palin camping trip gossip, I’m skeptical. But I didn’t get the impression it was done just to try to make Palin look bad.
Just wait until the 2012 primaries heat up and everyone starts choosing sides. Self-imposed exile may start looking really good.
There Goes The Neighborhood on July 31, 2010 at 4:55 AM
Thank you (regarding my other writing)! :) The Palin piece was more “Get this story on HA because every other news source has talked about it” than trying to make Plain look bad. I said a couple of things about Kate and questioned whether this was the best route to take. I didn’t intend for it to become as serious as it did and was honestly surprised that some were upset that I posted what every other site had posted, without question. It was a fun piece.
I can’t wait until the primaries and it’s possible that I’ll be pulling for Palin at that time. I’m simply more reserved in making my selection at this point. But…yeah…Hot Air will be a blast, I’m sure. :) Thanks for responding to all this.
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 8:08 AM
Have you been trolling every thread looking at how I respond to every person at every time? My guess is no. Otherwise you would see a multitude of different responses dependent on the subject and commenters at hand. Sometimes when it’s not your first rodeo with a particular commenter things get heated much more quickly than if it’s a first time encounter. With you, I simply said two lines which you interpreted as an attack on the unborn and an attack on your faith, neither of which were remotely true. My responses to you followed in kind.
What is your line of work, if you don’t mind me asking? Because, it’s funny…the one thing people continually say I do have is “people skills”…in real life. I think sometimes online communication (particularly the comment variety) can be flat and not properly display tone, etc. I try to flesh most of that out in my other writing, but I know my comments often come out wrong.
MM and other writers: yes, your question was rhetorical and yet another insult (duly noted, by the way). Because you continue to bring up Ed, Allah and Michelle, I was providing you some means to assuage your concern about me and this site. Unless you’re just trying to insult me, call me out, shame me, put me in my place, in that case…continue.
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 8:25 AM
The Palin piece was more “Get this story on HA because every other news source has talked about it” than trying to make
PlainPalin look bad.Bee on July 31, 2010 at 8:08 AM
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 8:41 AM
Also fixed. *facepalm*
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 8:42 AM
Still going huh?
Gee whiz.
Brian1972 on July 31, 2010 at 9:05 AM
Yep. Cannot wait for the thousands of “If the lame sob’s can’t see that my candidate is the only one I am sitting out remarks”…. /sarc
Bradky on July 31, 2010 at 9:32 AM
So let me get this straight–anal sex is only used for homosexual purposes according to you? Do you also believe that you shouldn’t have sex unless you wanted to have babies? And Monica L. didn’t talk about anal sex as far as I know, so you don’t like the Monica L. kind of sex either? Good grief, talk about “repressed”!
lovingmyUSA on July 31, 2010 at 9:39 AM
With the level of support and respect Gov. Palin demonstrated in the video indicate she still has it and should us it for the public good. In any manner she chooses.
As the saying goes – If you got it use it.
MSGTAS on July 31, 2010 at 9:43 AM
Don’t worry, for the most part everyone will come together and vote against Obama. Just expect a lot of slamming doors and foot stomping.
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM
You’re encouraging her.
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2010 at 9:52 AM
Please provide the links where we discussed the “clever use of flame wars and personal attacks?” If you throw out an insult, be prepared to provide proof of the mud you sling. The Hot Air Free Speech Zone is a place where you are free to say whatever you want, no bannings…We do not ban ANYONE for disagreeing with ANY of the members. There are NO requirements to join, you don’t even have to be a member of HA. There is no “screening” for approval to join…
lovingmyUSA on July 31, 2010 at 9:57 AM
I’ve not seen a HOW TO GUIDE for flame wars in this group. If so, please point it out. You can get there by clicking on my moniker.
Laura in Maryland on July 31, 2010 at 9:59 AM
This is true. You can get to the open Free Speech Zone by clicking on my name. Like DC said, it is completely open.
ladyingray on July 31, 2010 at 10:00 AM
Jen is thinking of the other group that has closed membership – invitation only. HA rendezvous or something like that. Not a member of it but have seen a couple of threads where it seemed that a couple of people were trying awfully hard to get an incendiary quote from another poster. Wasn’t in the normal let’s irritate someone because I can exchange…
Bradky on July 31, 2010 at 10:10 AM
But Mom…she started it…
But seriously, I wasn’t even going to jump in, as someone said further up the threads, HA has been taken over lately by certain people dominating threads and taking them off topic, and I just get tired of reading them, and have stopped commenting lately.
And half the time I don’t agree with Bee or Mad Con…but I won’t stand by and have someone labeled as “liberal” or a sexual deviant. I will defend those that I feel are maligned–if I happen to see it. I actually think both sides here have some correct points they made…all of us have been attacked by our fellow HA posters at some time or other.
lovingmyUSA on July 31, 2010 at 10:11 AM
I know. Who agrees with anyone all the time? That’s not even rational but I agree some of the personality exchanges are unnecessary. First, Mad Con would argue with a fence post. It is who he is and I think it stimulates conversation. There is only one commenter that I think is trying to do damage but it still isn’t ban worthy.
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2010 at 10:20 AM
Agreed, the banhammer is capricious…
lovingmyUSA on July 31, 2010 at 10:26 AM
ladyingray on July 31, 2010 at 10:00
Okay I just checked out the HA Free Speech Zone on facebook. Is it subject to approval or do I just join? Looks rather tame from what I saw. Link sharing and a few comments.
Wow, is all I can say on the last two pages of this thread. All I got out of reading them was a headache. I should know by now when a thread explodes overnight it’s best to avoid or tread very lightly.
Hopefully we can have a truce or a cage match. ;)
chief on July 31, 2010 at 10:31 AM
Insomnia does silly things to people. I suffer from it regularly. ;)
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 10:50 AM
AP, can you just come out of the closet and admit you don’t like Sarah Palin? Just get it over with and have a good old fashioned rant at her, lay your cards on the table and lets have at it — and while you’re at it explain who you DO like and why!!
EasyEight on July 31, 2010 at 10:53 AM
The Eternal Pessimistic Eyeore will not do that.
Everywhere you look, signs of DOOM.
Brian1972 on July 31, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Uh-huh. Now all we need to do is to run a volume by WFB, Hayek or Goldwater on a ballot instead of some flesh-and-blood woman with nice legs, and voila! No more problem!
ddrintn on July 31, 2010 at 11:22 AM
In other words, MadisonConservative, it’s hardly ever that simplistic “either/or” sort of thing. Ideals are only as good as the people who champion and follow them.
ddrintn on July 31, 2010 at 11:27 AM
You just click to join. No approval needed. Join and welcome!
ladyingray on July 31, 2010 at 11:38 AM
Truce? Time out at best. Always to be continued.
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2010 at 11:57 AM
Fixed.
MadisonConservative on July 31, 2010 at 12:34 PM
LOL!! So true.
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Hotair blog post passes 400 comments with mission posters and serial insincerity.
Inanemergencydial on July 31, 2010 at 2:22 PM
I’m nothing if not sincere. :)
Yep. Definitely in agreement there. haha.
Bee on July 31, 2010 at 2:25 PM
At face value, good for her.
But the content of her two books eerily appear the Tea Party version of Obama’s books directed to accrue Leftist support. Charismatic overtones attract those who FEEL like she does about matters, but lack pertinent information dealing SPECIFICALLY with details how she will solve any of Americas massive problems.
WHERE WILL THE CUTS BE MADE AND BY HOW MUCH IN WHICH DEPARTMENT AND PROGRAM? And does she have the entire [plurality] Congressional Republican caucus behind her platform?
maverick muse on July 31, 2010 at 2:30 PM
I’m terribly concerned that this quitter has not denounced the Bureau of Indian Affairs specifically in any of her books or facebook posts.
Inanemergencydial on July 31, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Well, unlike O-bots, we Palinbots will actually, you know, READ the books.
I have no problem at all with asking that question, as long as the same is demanded of ALL potential candidates and as long as the answers of all are judged equally.
ddrintn on July 31, 2010 at 2:39 PM
It’s hardly effective here to name call, 2:32 Inane… She had her reasons whether you like them or not. And from the sound of it, you’d be blasting her if she’d stayed in office for not denouncing the Bureau of Indian Affairs specifically.
Exactly what do you want of that Bureau? To be dissolved?
maverick muse on July 31, 2010 at 2:40 PM
ddrintn on July 31, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Amen to that.
I’ve said all along, party member CITIZEN VOTERS determine their platform and then run candidates to achieve those ends.
maverick muse on July 31, 2010 at 2:41 PM
I’m terribly concerned that this quitter has not denounced the Bureau of Indian Affairs specifically in any of her books or facebook posts.
Inanemergencydial on July 31, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Has any of our esteemed pols done so? I mean the Bureau’s ineptitude has become so legendary that it’s almost a foregone conclusion past even mentioning. Is there a point here?
shmendrick on July 31, 2010 at 4:32 PM
Hey Guess what? I know this is incredibly off topic but I heard Palin passed two million fans on Facebook!
Amadeus on July 31, 2010 at 7:02 PM
The hell you say!
Cindy Munford on July 31, 2010 at 8:32 PM
Why? None of the others do; it would mean acknowledging real guilt for real wrongs done to people that actually suffered.
That charge is about as bad as Romney’s recent ball-passing – to call it ‘icing on the cake’ would likely be an overstatement.
Dark-Star on July 31, 2010 at 8:44 PM
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