Feds want to let FBI access people’s Internet data without probable cause

posted at 6:37 pm on July 29, 2010 by Allahpundit

Not all data, mind you. The new rule wouldn’t reach the content of e-mail messages, but it would let them find out whom you’re e-mailing, when you’re e-mailing, and, er, “possibly” which websites you’re looking at and which Google searches you’re running. Sounds downright Bushian, which is why there are so many disgruntled lefties writing today about The One’s betrayal of his campaign promise to respect civil liberties more than you-know-who did. But then, that’s par for the course for Obama: As Eli Lake noted a few months ago, building on Bush’s war powers has been his M.O. since day one and will almost certainly continue to be so, partly because aggregating power is part of the inertia of institutions like the executive branch and partly because Obama knows he’ll suffer less politically from incremental encroachments like this than he would if a major attack happens on his watch. (Which, ironically, would likely generate public support for measures more draconian than looking at e-mail records.) In the end, he’s a politician worried about re-election. And like it or not, this probably helps him marginally towards that goal insofar as it marginally improves the speed with which the feds can act against terrorists — privacy concerns be damned:

Senior administration officials said the proposal was prompted by a desire to overcome concerns and resistance from Internet and other companies that the existing statute did not allow them to provide such data without a court-approved order. “The statute as written causes confusion and the potential for unnecessary litigation,” Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said. “This clarification will not allow the government to obtain or collect new categories of information, but it seeks to clarify what Congress intended when the statute was amended in 1993.”…

Administration officials noted that the act specifies in one clause that Internet and other companies have a duty to provide electronic communication transactional records to the FBI in response to a national security letter.

But the next clause specifies only four categories of basic subscriber data that the FBI may seek: name, address, length of service and toll billing records. There is no reference to electronic communication transactional records.

The officials said the transactional information at issue, which does not include Internet search queries, is the functional equivalent of telephone toll billing records, which the FBI can obtain without court authorization. Learning the e-mail addresses to which an Internet user sends messages, they said, is no different than obtaining a list of numbers called by a telephone user.

That’s certainly their best argument, and while they’re using classic slippery-slope reasoning to justify it — if X, why not Y? — it’s unclear to me why they’re not right about functional equivalents. How are e-mail addresses and timestamps on messages any more revealing than phone numbers and listings of when calls were made? (Browser histories are obviously a different ballgame.) They can be more revealing, of course: A call made to a pay phone won’t identify who’s on the other end of the line whereas an e-mail sent to an address that contains someone’s name tells you right away whom it’s meant for. But of course, the opposite scenario’s also possible: A call made to someone’s home phone or cell phone points to the identity of the recipient whereas a message sent to an e-mail address with no identifying info in the address reveals little at first glance about who owns it. Exit question: Should e-mail identifiers be given greater protection? And if so, is that simply in order to draw a line on the slope before the feds slip any further downward?


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Oh,Boy opening up a can of worms,me thinks!!!

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Obama’s America.

Inanemergencydial on July 29, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Keep voting democrat!

Inanemergencydial on July 29, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Eric Holder is gonna crap himself when he sees how often I click Hot Air

innominatus on July 29, 2010 at 6:42 PM

The 9/14 Presidency
Barack Obama is operating with the war powers granted George W. Bush three days after the 9/11 attacks.
============================================================
So much for b*tch’n about 8 years of Bush,
and let me guess,he inherited it!!

So,after 9/11,er,9/14,Obama can’t even say Terrorists,
then,who exactly,does he want to track,

the dangerous Extreme Right Wingers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 6:43 PM

obama has time for fundraisers, but not to visit the border. But guess who is heading for the border

I’ll give you a hint, her initials are SP

ConservativePartyNow on July 29, 2010 at 6:43 PM

So where are the whiny libs who cried about Bush and the patriot act?

The Notorious G.O.P on July 29, 2010 at 6:44 PM

And, yet, to ask for proof of citizenship would be overreaching and unfair.

jennifernaz on July 29, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Keep voting democrat!

Inanemergencydial on July 29, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Inanemergencydial: No Sh*t,ahem!!:)

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Yet another “what if Bush had done this?”

Dingbat63 on July 29, 2010 at 6:44 PM

No wonder Obama didn’t want to be equated with Bush….and accuses McCain of being just like Bush. Obama’s intentions were to be far worse, and more invasive than Bush.

capejasmine on July 29, 2010 at 6:45 PM

And, yet, to ask for proof of citizenship would be overreaching and unfair.

jennifernaz on July 29, 2010 at 6:44 PM

jennifernaz: Birther Nut!!

(I’m kidding)————:)

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Does Andrew Breitbart surf porn sites? Wonder if someone could put that to good use?

It’s not like a Democrat would misuse FBI records, despite what those nasty conservatives claimed about the Clintons and Filegate!

sharrukin on July 29, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Translation:

Obama: “The internet is a privilege, not a right.”

portlandon on July 29, 2010 at 6:46 PM

OT: Obama bows to Chris Christie!!!

tetriskid on July 29, 2010 at 6:47 PM

The content of my google searches alone is making me uproariously laugh right now.

At this point, we’re probably all screwed. :)

Bee on July 29, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Exit question: Should e-mail identifiers be given greater protection? And if so, is that simply in order to draw a line on the slope before the feds slip any further downward?

Draw a line, HAHHAHAAAA! Allah, your killing me. What line? You can’t draw anything when the government thinks it is in YOUR better interest.

upinak on July 29, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Most open and transparent subjects ever!

Administration? Not so much, no press conference questions, no open townhalls, only adoring crowds with stacked audiences for Dear Readers speeches.

Most unethical untransparent Admintration, loarding his Won-ness over his subjects!
What a sick joke the 51% have foisted upon America!

dhunter on July 29, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Administration officials noted that the act specifies in one clause that Internet and other companies have a duty to provide electronic communication transactional records to the FBI in response to a national security letter.

I would like more clarity on when NSLs can be issued, and if they have to justify the use of them at all.
Otherwise, using the internet, internet activity, and then email allows for a lot more fishing for information than call logs do.

MayBee on July 29, 2010 at 6:50 PM

What better way to see who to deny health care to than by keeping track of who frequents conservative blogs and does occasional ‘obama sucks’ google searches.

Monica on July 29, 2010 at 6:52 PM

… is the functional equivalent of telephone toll billing records, which the FBI can obtain without court authorization …

HUH? As near as I can tell, this is a lie.

Why does EVERY story that contains straw dog arguements need to be fact checked for blatant lies?

Freddy on July 29, 2010 at 6:52 PM

I just went to play with Google.

Typed in ‘Obama Nec’ and ‘Obama Necrophilia’ was one of the drop down options. Hmmmm….

Canadian Infidel on July 29, 2010 at 6:52 PM

Oh,Boy opening up a can of worms,me thinks!!!

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 6:38 PM

indeed

cmsinaz on July 29, 2010 at 6:52 PM

Translation:

Obama: “The internet is a privilege, not a right.”
portlandon on July 29, 2010 at 6:46 PM

You forgot Port:

“If everybody here turned off your CNN, your Fox, just turn off the TV, MSNBC, blogs, and just go talk to folks out there, instead of being in this echo chamber where the topic is constantly politics,”

upinak on July 29, 2010 at 6:52 PM

obama has time for fundraisers, but not to visit the border. But guess who is heading for the border

I’ll give you a hint, her initials are SP

ConservativePartyNow on July 29, 2010 at 6:43 PM

ConservativePartyNow: Interesting,MamaGrizzly’s to
Arizona!!

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 6:52 PM

This is why I was apposed to the patriot act in the first place.

Slowburn on July 29, 2010 at 6:53 PM

I hope that they find thousands of people are looking up the mixture for ammonium nitrate….

Sonosam on July 29, 2010 at 6:54 PM

This was illegal between 2001 and 2009 but is perfectly legal now, because a Democrat is President.

/Democrat legal scholar of your choice

Del Dolemonte on July 29, 2010 at 6:55 PM

This is what happens when you have Democrats running the Executive, Legislative, and Media Branches of Government.

Executive – supposed to protect us, grade so far: D
Legislative – supposed to represent us, grade so far: F
Media – supposed to inform us, grade so far: F-

drunyan8315 on July 29, 2010 at 6:56 PM

Eric Holder is gonna crap himself when he sees how often I click Hot Air

innominatus on July 29, 2010 at 6:42 PM

with ya there :)
lol

cmsinaz on July 29, 2010 at 6:56 PM

Ok, all moaning aside, I wonder if this is more to do with the top secret ACTA agreement that many countries seem to be on-board with?

Given that Australia, and the EU is going the same route, it looks suspiciously like a concerted plan.

OldEnglish on July 29, 2010 at 6:56 PM

“And like it or not, this probably helps him marginally towards that goal insofar as it marginally improves the speed with which the feds can act against terrorists —…”

What are these ‘terrorists’ that you speak of…?

Seven Percent Solution on July 29, 2010 at 6:57 PM

You forgot Port:

“If everybody here turned off your CNN, your Fox, just turn off the TV, MSNBC, blogs, and just go talk to folks out there, instead of being in this echo chamber where the topic is constantly politics,”

upinak on July 29, 2010 at 6:52 PM

upinak: Too much information is a distraction!!:)

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 29, 2010 at 6:55 PM

+1

cmsinaz on July 29, 2010 at 6:58 PM

OldEnglish on July 29, 2010 at 6:56 PM

Is isn’t is – it’s are.

OldEnglish on July 29, 2010 at 6:58 PM

terrorists —…”
What are these ‘terrorists’ that you speak of…?

Seven Percent Solution on July 29, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Seven Percent Solution: Man caused my *ss!!:)

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 6:59 PM

I suppose we have “no reasonable expectation of privacy” for very much of anything anymore do we?

This is worse than library records. And despite the arguments of apologists that

it marginally improves the speed with which the feds can act against terrorists

If we continue to accept the erosion of our liberties for a phony sense of security we truly are a Nation of Sheep.

Firefly_76 on July 29, 2010 at 6:59 PM

it would let them find out whom you’re e-mailing, when you’re e-mailing, and, er, “possibly” which websites you’re looking at and which Google searches you’re running.

I would love to have that exciting job.

:P

tru2tx on July 29, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Seven Percent Solution on July 29, 2010 at 6:57 PM

opps .. caught in two lies. How many more can we add from this?

upinak on July 29, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Authoritarians need to know.

lorien1973 on July 29, 2010 at 7:00 PM

People…we are all O-mericans. We have no basic rights unless you are here illegally or have committed some type of crime against others.

Mo_mac on July 29, 2010 at 7:01 PM

innominatus on July 29, 2010 at 6:42 PM
===========================
with ya there :)
lol

cmsinaz on July 29, 2010 at 6:56 PM

cmsinaz: Terrific,Holder is probably sending me,
extradition orders!!:)

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:03 PM

OT: Obama bows to Chris Christie!!!

tetriskid on July 29, 2010 at 6:47 PM

tetriskid: Heres a picture of it!!:)
============================================

http://anotherblackconservative.blogspot.com/2010/07/whos-ya-daddy-obama-bows-to-gov-chris.html

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:07 PM

There is only one thing this is about. Expanding Obama’s powers over Obama’s enemies.
Folks, unless we get conservative and ethical leadership in the country really fast, we will be living in a solid police state. Obama owns the Presidency, congress and most of the media. Imagine if he owned the Supreme Court and election were at least a year away.

You cannot possibly exaggerate the threats we face to our freedoms with this President and his Democrats. The constitution is seriously nearly a meaningless piece of paper.
It is nothing but nice sounding words that nobody in government listens to and most Americans don’t even know.

Honestly, people need to pray. I don’t care if you’ve never prayed before, pray!

JellyToast on July 29, 2010 at 7:10 PM

This was illegal between 2001 and 2009 but is perfectly legal now, because a Democrat is President.

/Democrat legal scholar of your choice

Del Dolemonte on July 29, 2010 at 6:55 PM

Del Dolemonte: Yup,truth to power,er,sumpin like dat!!!:)

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:10 PM

Exit question: Should e-mail identifiers be given greater protection? And if so, is that simply in order to draw a line on the slope before the feds slip any further downward?

Frankly, I would prefer the evil clowns on both sides of the aisle stop picking away our liberties, cut to the chase and just kill the BoR already. Put the Constitution out of its misery, drop the silly “Land of the Free” pretense, and let’s forge ahead into our glorious Totalitarian future. The Denizens of Dumbass Dystopia deserve nothing less.

“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
–Benjamin Franklin

Rae on July 29, 2010 at 7:11 PM

As Eli Lake noted a few months ago, building on Bush’s war powers has been his M.O. since day one

But Bush knew who the enemy was. Obama has a different target in mind.

Electrongod on July 29, 2010 at 7:11 PM

Sarah P just passed 2 Million fans on FB

dhunter on July 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM

Guess those two million will be gittin a visit from the re-education nazis and an IRS audit.

What could possibly go wrong, of course once the shoes on the other foot it might be fun to see which Dims surf which kiddy and gay porn sites. Barney Franks tastes oh forget it I get sick just sayin it!

dhunter on July 29, 2010 at 7:15 PM

This is why ‘good men’ should never be trusted with power you wouldn’t give to a low life.

Eventually an Obama, or a Clinton will be elected and act according to their nature.

sharrukin on July 29, 2010 at 7:16 PM

OT: Obama bows to Chris Christie!!!

tetriskid on July 29, 2010 at 6:47 PM

tetriskid: Heres a picture of it!!:)
============================================

http://anotherblackconservative.blogspot.com/2010/07/whos-ya-daddy-obama-bows-to-gov-chris.html

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Fascinating! I had no idea that fat men were honored in the muslim faith.

Cody1991 on July 29, 2010 at 7:16 PM

OT: Obama bows to Chris Christie!!!

tetriskid on July 29, 2010 at 6:47 PM

tetriskid: Heres a picture of it!!:)
============================================

http://anotherblackconservative.blogspot.com/2010/07/whos-ya-daddy-obama-bows-to-gov-chris.html

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:07 PM

I know Gov. Chris Christie is his superior, but this is just insane. Why the heck hasn’t anyone ever asked this moron why he goes around bowing to heads of state?? I know why, he wants people to eventually start bowing to him. This is freaking moronic! Obama is freaking insane! If I had been Gov. Christie I would have asked him just WTH are you doing?!

Actually the only time he was asked about this is when he was caught bowing to the freaking Saudie King, and then the WH denied he was really bowing, so now I guess we all know he was bowing to the freaking Saudie King! What a sack of horse manure this guy is. This is just freaking insane to have our President going around bowing to people.

JellyToast on July 29, 2010 at 7:17 PM

So….um…just ask’n,would this be used,
say,on Republican website’s,in Arizona!!

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:18 PM

But Bush knew who the enemy was. Obama has a different target in mind.

Electrongod on July 29, 2010 at 7:11 PM

amen eg!

cmsinaz on July 29, 2010 at 7:19 PM

How much ammo is considered excessive?

heshtesh on July 29, 2010 at 7:20 PM

I’ll save the feds some time. I last visited pornhub.com. Apparently the DOD is too.

txag92 on July 29, 2010 at 7:20 PM

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:03 PM

will send you a file in a cake :)

cmsinaz on July 29, 2010 at 7:20 PM

I have nothing to hide!!
>.>…<.<

Emily M. on July 29, 2010 at 7:22 PM

I know Gov. Chris Christie is his superior, but this is just insane

JellyToast on July 29, 2010 at 7:17 PM

JellyToast: I’m almost thinking,that this is a ploy,to say,
no biggy,thats just the way Obama greets prople!

Oh,hat tip goes to,
==================================

OT: Obama bows to Chris Christie!!!

tetriskid on July 29, 2010 at 6:47 PM

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:22 PM

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:03 PM
============================
will send you a file in a cake :)

cmsinaz on July 29, 2010 at 7:20 PM

cmsinaz:LOL—:)

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:23 PM

How much ammo is considered excessive?

heshtesh on July 29, 2010 at 7:20 PM

heshtesh: Well,if it was the Zulu battle!!:)
================================================
Zulu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrZbUS0MaY4

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:25 PM

And what exactly is the problem with a court order? Since we no longer are in a war, it’s a law enforcement effort, then law enforcement tools works for me.

Sounds like Obowma thinks he can do anything he wants to American citizens by the rule of Obowma doesn’t it.

tarpon on July 29, 2010 at 7:26 PM

Actually the only time he was asked about this is when he was caught bowing to the freaking Saudie King, and then the WH denied he was really bowing, so now I guess we all know he was bowing to the freaking Saudie King! What a sack of horse manure this guy is. This is just freaking insane to have our President going around bowing to people.

JellyToast on July 29, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Gibbs will probably make the excuse that he has a “back problem” that makes him suddenly collapse when he has to greet someone to whom he feels inferior.

We all know this in an excuse for being a spineless, girly-man, but the WH thinks no one will notice.

Cody1991 on July 29, 2010 at 7:28 PM

The media top in Florida is spinning so fast in may reach super-nova by week’s end.

Rubio is just minding his own business right now. We met him last week at a fund raisers and he is doing great. Broke all Florida statewide fundraisimg records in June …

tarpon on July 29, 2010 at 7:29 PM

In the end, he’s a politician worried about re-election.

But..but..but…. HE’s The One! The Chosen! HE can’t be just another hack politician.

GarandFan on July 29, 2010 at 7:30 PM

1984… Pretty scary…

Khun Joe on July 29, 2010 at 7:34 PM

The Feds certainly were not too concerned re the emails that the Ft. Hood terrorist was sending and receiving.

onlineanalyst on July 29, 2010 at 7:35 PM

The rate at which our personal privacy evaporates seems to be inversely proportionate to the rate at which technology advances.

One things for sure: If there’s ever a political purge in our country, as there was in other Marxist states in world history, they’ll have complete list of virtually every. last. person. this time, which they’ll be able to dispatch with extreme speed and efficiency.

FloatingRock on July 29, 2010 at 7:40 PM

ON that calling a Payphone analogy:

Agent 7652, Proceed with Operation Big Wedgie. Target is Mama Bear.

OBQuiet on July 29, 2010 at 7:40 PM

The rate at which our personal privacy evaporates seems to be inversely proportionate to the rate at which technology advances.

FIFM

FloatingRock on July 29, 2010 at 7:41 PM

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:07 PM
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Fascinating! I had no idea that fat men were honored in the muslim faith.

Cody1991 on July 29, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Cody1991:Could be,haha!:)

canopfor on July 29, 2010 at 7:48 PM

The rate at which our personal privacy evaporates seems to be inversely proportionate to the rate at which technology advances.

One things for sure: If there’s ever a political purge in our country, as there was in other Marxist states in world history, they’ll have complete list of virtually every. last. person. this time, which they’ll be able to dispatch with extreme speed and efficiency.

FloatingRock on July 29, 2010 at 7:40 PM

I might also suspect that this information could be linked to the Obamacare database to ‘allow’ bureaucrats more complete information on how to make decisions on the allocation of scarce medical resources. If doctors can ask if you own a gun, why not which websites you frequent?

slickwillie2001 on July 29, 2010 at 7:49 PM

Y’all DO know this…….
a GOOD friend will bail you outta jail.
Your BEST friend sits right next to you, and says:
Dang, that was fun !!

Close ranks, friends !! ;-)

pambi on July 29, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Feds want to let FBI access people’s Internet data without probable cause

But don’t ask an illegal alien for any documentation.

Beto Ochoa on July 29, 2010 at 7:55 PM

Here is how to rattle a lib even more over this. They will argue that they aren’t worried about Obama (PBUH) and this issue (after scolding you on being paranoid). Ask them then if they want this power given to President #45, whomever that may be.

Watch as the simple neural net in their brain stem finally fires and they see the danger.

kurtzz3 on July 29, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Feds want to let FBI access people’s Internet data without probable cause

But don’t ask an illegal alien for any documentation.

Beto Ochoa on July 29, 2010 at 7:55 PM

This is, quite simply, tyranny. The government plants its boot on our throats, a term used by a member of this administration, and they treat illegals, tax cheats and crooks as celebrities.

Cody1991 on July 29, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Commerce Clause dummies

Crr ickets on July 29, 2010 at 8:22 PM

/

Weird that the idiot does not have the time to comment on this issue.

CWforFreedom on July 29, 2010 at 8:35 PM

OldEnglish on July 29, 2010 at 6:56 PM

Is isn’t is – it’s are.

OldEnglish on July 29

There you go again, Old Brit! Criticizing without realizing this might be someone just like you! :)

honsy on July 29, 2010 at 8:41 PM

They said if I didn’t vote for Obama that we’d all see an administration trample on the Constitution and further the injustices of the Bush years…

rogerb on July 29, 2010 at 9:07 PM

I do not like this one bit. Nor do I like yesterday’s SEC FOIA ruling. Trouble ahead.

petefrt on July 29, 2010 at 9:17 PM

There is no such thing as excessive ammo.

There is such a thing as excessive targets.

You have to keep the ratio right and your expectations high… adjust accordingly.

ajacksonian on July 29, 2010 at 9:18 PM

STASI lives!

DamnCat on July 29, 2010 at 10:06 PM

I stopped using Google when their link redirects got annoying. Now I use startpage to search for tinfoil wallet designs.

VerbumSap on July 29, 2010 at 10:22 PM

Anonymous proxy servers and 2nd-tier search engines – unless you’re comfortable having every move you make being tracked by the Google Datanistas.

NumberTwo on July 29, 2010 at 11:19 PM

Isn’t this what the FISA Court is designed for? Of course, that is “foreign” but I assume foreign agents operating domestically will be covered.

RickCaird on July 30, 2010 at 7:09 AM

They want to use your internet actions to predict what you will do in the future, also.

kingsjester on July 30, 2010 at 8:04 AM

How are e-mail addresses and timestamps on messages any more revealing than phone numbers and listings of when calls were made?

Content. Telephone billing records contain the terminating phone number, whether it was answered, and the duration of the call. The calls themselves are not recorded, so even if a pattern is seen there is no way to tell who spoke to whom and what they said. Email records are just that. Emails.

Jaynie59 on July 30, 2010 at 8:09 AM

Interesting times we live in. One of the laws just passed made a government agency free from FOIA requests and now the government will be able to look at your e-mails without a court order. Who is being protected here?

sdan on July 30, 2010 at 8:10 AM

Glenn Beck seems more and more sane. It sure does seem like a lot of power is being invested in the bureaucracy.

hawksruleva on July 30, 2010 at 9:17 AM

Two things: Criminals and terrorists (fine distinction, of course) will NOT use your typical e-mail account from Google or Yahoo or Hotmail. They will create a fake identity and set up an e-mail account (very easy to do). It will not be traceable to anything personal if they avoid using their own computer. It’s much like gun control. It only controls the law-abiding, not the lawbreaking. Some stupid criminals might be caught, but frankly, it doesn’t take much intelligence to figure out a way around this. So either the government is being stupid (nah) or has some other motive (to control the proletariat??). Either way, it’s nonsense. Oh, and once they get access to the e-mail trace, getting into the e-mail content will be at their fingertips if they so choose. Someone in some dark basement office in some CIA or FBI or NSA building will choose just that eventually, regardless of what the law says. Of course, it will be for our own good.

BillyWilly on July 30, 2010 at 10:18 AM

It’s interesting, in a sad way, that the lefties shut up, mostly, now that it’s their guy that’s stripping us of our natural rights.

I thought the Patriot Act wasn’t much of a problem as long as it was administered properly, with proper respect for the long term goals of the American people – with one caveat – a sunset provision once things died down (figuratively, of course).

Along those lines, where are the war protesters? We’re still in Iraq and Afghanistan, right? Lefties still think we are wrong being there, right?

Lefties?

Crickets?

Bueller?

Pablo Snooze on July 30, 2010 at 10:26 AM

The Patriot Act and Homeland Security:

Dubya’s Folly Part 1 and Part 2.

hillbillyjim on July 30, 2010 at 2:04 PM