Pawlenty: 2012 will come down to credibility and emotional connection
posted at 10:12 am on July 27, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
It’s still too early to start picking sides for the 2012 Republican nomination, but Tim Pawlenty points out an interesting conundrum likely to occur in the primaries. As the Weekly Standard reports, Pawlenty discusses some policy positions and puts a little distance between himself and Mitch Daniels on pro-life issues. However, in the face of a radical Democratic agenda, the GOP candidates will likely all agree on the biggest priorities, such as repealing ObamaCare, taxes, and spending, with most of the differences amounting to nibbling at the edges. What will differentiate candidates in a time of consensus?
But in the end, Pawlenty said, there won’t be much difference between GOP presidential candidates on the issues. He said it’s important to have a presidential candidate who doesn’t live up to the stereotype that Republicans are “all CEOs” who “play polo on the weekends.” Pawlenty made the case that his background as the son of a truck driver who worked his way through college helps him reach out to working class voters, who are turned off by “country club elitists.”
“In the end, there’s going to be five, ten, twelve candidates standing on the stage who, at least for now, all look kind of the same… And they’re going to say about the same thing” on the issues, he said. “But the real question’s going to be, as to tone and face and credibility, who is best situated to open the door to people that are not yet Republicans? To say, we understand what you’re going through and we can make a connection with you in ways that have some credibility?”
It’s a good question. Right now, in the abstract, most people support ABO — Anyone But Obama. And no one has to make up their mind for at least a year beyond that. At some point, though, people will have to make a choice, and the tension of trying to demonstrate change from an unpopular Republican administration won’t exist. If the economy still lags by then, the GOP candidates will likely remain united on policy and priorities.
So how to choose? Will we indeed need to open the door to the Big Tent, or will a base turnout model be enough? The latter worked in 2004 to re-elect George Bush, but that worked in part because voters are reluctant to change horses in midstream — an inertia that the GOP will also have to overcome in 2012. Only two of the last seven elected presidents failed to win a second term, Carter and Bush 41, even with strong economic problems for Nixon and Reagan.
Pawlenty is probably right that the GOP nominee has to have the ability to reach out to independents if Republicans want to beat Obama, or at least keep independents from voting for Obama. However, I think the attraction will be executive competence, not the tension between “country-club elitists” and their counterparts among the hoi polloi. Republicans don’t play class warfare well, but the GOP has a winning argument on competence and the lack of it in the Obama administration. After the disaster of this White House, voters on the fence will want to feel as though a challenger has already demonstrated he or she can handle the job. And that will pull independents who may need objective and emotional reasons to offer trust to the Republicans in 2012.
Update: John McCormack reported on a Pawlenty appearance, and didn’t conduct an interview with him. I misunderstood that when reading the article, which was entirely my error.









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I really like this man… Pawlenty is my front runner at this early state.
Keemo on July 27, 2010 at 10:14 AM
I might also add this; no old school political hack such as Newt please…
Keemo on July 27, 2010 at 10:16 AM
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LurkerDood on July 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM
I’d prefer it if republicans could make the case for a smaller, less intrusive, government as originally crafted by the Founders.
ahem on July 27, 2010 at 10:18 AM
I hope we do not cominate a Senator to chellenge Obama. How can your criticize Obama’s failure as an executive when you have no experience also? Give me a former/current governor as the challenger.
WashJeff on July 27, 2010 at 10:18 AM
After the malaise of the Carter years, the Reagan “Morning in America” was a strong, positive breath of fresh air.
We will never have another Reagan, but we need a “happy warrior” that will provide a stong, cheerful contrast to the petulant Obama and his economy, his broken promises, and his bowing to monarchs (Mayor of Tampa not included in the last). We need someone who believes in American exceptionalism as it is the last, best hope for the world.
Wethal on July 27, 2010 at 10:18 AM
Pawlenty endorsed McCain in 2007, while McCain was pushing amnesty. That’s a dealbreaker for me.
Jon0815 on July 27, 2010 at 10:19 AM
We need to choose a leader who can clean up the mess Obama and the Democrats are currently making.
Disturb the Universe on July 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM
So…he’s pretty much ruling himself out, then, isn’t he?
Cylor on July 27, 2010 at 10:20 AM
That emotional connection comes when we realize a kindred spirit in a candidate. Thus, Paul Ryan is the Sexiest Man Alive, to me anyway.
Repeal, revoke, renew.
PattyJ on July 27, 2010 at 10:21 AM
He has all of the charisma, energy, and ideas of a dead fish.
Anyone who couldn’t step up to the plate to keep the Marxist cheater from stealing Coleman’s senate seat doesn’t have the gonads to fight George Soros. Which means we are only going to keep eating more Marxist bull.
Sorry Tiny Tim, it’s Mama Grizzley time.
Sit down and shut up. You’re pathetic!
Jayrae on July 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM
You have to support Palin in the primary or you’re not a real conservative!!! zomg!!!11!!
/obligatory
brak on July 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM
And which potential candidate has the best emotional connection? Sorry AP, it’s Palin.
SDN on July 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM
PawlentyCuda doesn’t work!!(sarc).
canopfor on July 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM
People who live outside Minnesota seem to be under the impression that Tim Pawlenty, like a Lindsey Graham, is soft and not sufficiently hated by his Democrat opponents. I beg to differ. He’s tremendously hated, and even more so because he clobbers the Minnesota Left with a smile, and makes it look easy. It’s not easy.
RBMN on July 27, 2010 at 10:25 AM
No George W. Bush revisionists please.
Rae on July 27, 2010 at 10:26 AM
Thank you.
blatantblue on July 27, 2010 at 10:26 AM
What?!?! How dare you speak poorly of Saint Sarah of Wasilla?!?! She’s the only, THE ONLY candidate that can keep America from going off the rails!
Abby Adams on July 27, 2010 at 10:28 AM
hope you are right…heard him speak in FL last year, he gave a good speech, but didn’t get the impression that he could be our next GOP president…
cmsinaz on July 27, 2010 at 10:28 AM
Piff,I’m gonna await,the cordinated collusional
Journolist’s to tell,which candidate,has thee most
emotionalism in relationship to who the right needs
to vote for!!(snark).
canopfor on July 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM
I would like Pawlenty except for one thing: McCain really loves the guy. That worries me. The only person that would take my support from Palin at this point would be Jindal.
nazarioj001 on July 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM
dear GOSH.
blatantblue on July 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM
I’m not getting why emotion really needs to be a factor here.
I’d prefer a dry, dull candidate with some brass over someone who meets my “felt-needs” but doesn’t govern conservatively.
Want Fred!
*sulks*
Bee on July 27, 2010 at 10:35 AM
Ramping up the private sector and creating JOBS will be a winner in 2012 after Pinnochio increases Gov’t, raises taxes and strangles job creation.
Best to be done by unleashing the power and innovation of American industry to truely tackle our energy needs. Oil, Coal and Nuclear.
If these things were handled properly they could drag this economy out of the dumps and return the U.S. to job creation and prosperity!
Also there is a huge right leaning populist setiment out there that is sick and tired of corruptocrat business as usual, so a governor with a track record running as a reformer should have a great shot at winning hearts and minds of right and middle America. The left is lost and needs to be religated to the dust bin of tried and failed, history!
dhunter on July 27, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Love Palin, not so Pawlenty, but I have to be brutally honest. I don’t think Palin can win this go around. Too much,undeserved, negative baggage. She’s young and a few more years won’t hurt her.I will tell you right now I have no clue who I think will be the nominee.That being said I will vote for anyone, and I mean anyone, the Republicans put up. Obama has to go!
sandee on July 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM
ANATHEMA!
Bee on July 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Jayrae on July 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM
Ouch, I agree. No squishes need apply.
This undertaking is gonna demand more balls than the NBA and an ability to communicate above, over and around the Dinosaur, Leftist, Mouth Pieces of the Demrat Socialist Party!
Palin got it! The rest wish they did!
dhunter on July 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Pre-emptive Palin Martyrs. Thats something new.
portlandon on July 27, 2010 at 10:43 AM
What I want to know is why is anyone ruling out any candidate on 7.27.10? Holy cow, folks! We have a long way to go before November 2012. Lots can happen.
I WILL vote for whomever is the GOP nominee. I’m sure there are candidates that aren’t even on anyone’s radar screen at this point. I am keeping my mind WIDE open and realizes that not all GOP voters will 100% agree on whomever is the nominee. We just need to keep our eyes on the ball and resist the temptation we have to cut off our noses to spite our collective face.
Oink on July 27, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Unfortunately both quotes imply a willingness to pander to Independents in spite of their complete fickleness – and at the cost of the GOP base. It sort of sounds like the GOP should do anything it takes to get in office and worry about disappointing the voters later – isn’t that what Obama did and what RINOs do?
Why does the GOP think it can win with a bland bureucrat who tries to offend no one? Do we really want to elect pencil pushers vice leaders? Not saying an ideologue would be our best choice but some seem to want a middle-management techno-grunt.
katiejane on July 27, 2010 at 10:44 AM
dear GOSH.
blatantblue on July 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM
blatantblue:
Get
OUT of
Sarah’s Way While She’s
Hammering!!!(I kid):)
canopfor on July 27, 2010 at 10:44 AM
I know that I’m looking for sincerity, trustworthiness, honesty, good character and dependability for my next vote for President,and..not just words, actions and record, both past and present. Above all I want someone who puts the good of the People and the Country ahead of Party and votes even if I don’t always like his/her decisions. Hope this country has learned it’s lesson about being duped by words and grandstanding. Wouldn’t it be nice if the MSM learned too?
jeanie on July 27, 2010 at 10:45 AM
OOOPPPPSSS
Palins’ got it! The rest wish they did!
dhunter on July 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM
dhunter on July 27, 2010 at 10:45 AM
I always think Walter Bagehot described it best in his book “The English Constitution.”
Describing the people of a nation as barbarous, he writes that there are two forms of government: the dignified parts of government, and the efficient parts of government. Now, while these two forms are not related to elections, we can see that they are certainly applicable.
For most people, in Bagehot’s opinion, the dignified parts of government (inspiration, emotionalism, high-brow rhetoric [see: Hope, Changey stuff]) are necessary to aggregate support for future endeavors of the “efficient” (not in the form of word as we know it) parts of government (see: Healthcare bomb). According to him, people, generally, are uninterested in the efficient parts (because of their barbarous nature), and are definitely more easily stirred by the dignified parts.
So, in a sense, with the common, “barbarous” electorate, the high-brow language and rhetoric, and everything like that, are much more effective than the boring, dry details of deficits, debts, etc.
It’s unfortunate, but I find it to be very truthful and accurate. With elections, emotionalism is a very large, overpowering factor. People fall for it.
blatantblue on July 27, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Looks like the anybody-but-Palin faction has begun to jockey for position already.
He hit Romney hardest here, and Newt has been making noises lately too, although I think Newt is on the Presidential Tease International Book Tour II. Could be wrong this time, but he did do that last time.
I don’t see Tim getting ahead of the middle class cred with Palin though. That “credibility” is the beginning, ever so softly, of Tim trying to horn in on Sarah’s turf.
I bet she does not respond at all, but continues hitting Obama, Reid and Pelosi instead.
Brian1972 on July 27, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Perhaps we could genetically engineer some sort of Super RINO candidate in time for 2012. With advanced DNA cloning techniques, we could recombine the best traits from Bush Sr, Dole, McCain, and Mittens and zap the results with some sort of super fast ageing laser and slap an ivy league degree on that puppy. We would win for certain!
bitsy on July 27, 2010 at 10:46 AM
No Ivy League candidates please….
ted c on July 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM
Pawlenty has just as much right as any to be included in a future ’12 candidate slot. Pawlenty is hammering away at Obama, so he is okay in my book. Save the heavy hammering for Romney or Huckabee.
portlandon on July 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM
One of the signs of acute Palinoia.
powerpro on July 27, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Pawlenty has been running for president for a year now. Numerous TV appearances, visits to Iowa, NH, etc.
And what does he have to show for it? 1% support in the latest primary poll. Within the margin of getting 0%.
Sorry, but I doubt he has what it takes. And his past love for Cap & Tax schemes makes his conservative credentials suspect.
Norwegian on July 27, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Yes.
You may use that to write him off, but Obarfy came out of NOWHERE and destroyed Hilldog.
blatantblue on July 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM
This is bad news for a lot of people.
Anyway, when I go to the polls in the primaries, I don’t calculate who I think is going to have the greatest success wooing people who aren’t Republican. I vote for the person who best represents my views, and then let the chips fall where they may. I don’t think I’m unique in this respect.
NoLeftTurn on July 27, 2010 at 10:53 AM
If Pawlenty is talking about…
…you know he is not talking about Palin. Or even Huckabee for that matter. The shot was at Mitt (with possibly a semi-zing at Daniels due to his ties to the Bush economic team).
My guess is Pawlenty is setting himself up (as is Daniels) as one of the “new face” options on the GOP side for 2012 — i.e., if you don’t want any of the faces from the 2008 presidential election to be the face of the 2012 race, or if your candidate who was around in 2008 doesn’t do as well as hoped for in the early going in the 2012 primaries, and you’re looking for another candidate who’s not in that group. The ‘all CEOs’ remark also means he sees Romney as one of the front-runners right now, but at the same time one with the weakest level of widespread support.
So expect few if any shots by Pawlenty at Palin for a while, but some more not-very-subtile hits on Romney (Tim going after government-run health care at the national and state level is probably next on the agenda).
jon1979 on July 27, 2010 at 10:53 AM
I agree. Comparatively speaking, he is a lot better than Mitch Daniels, Romney or Huckabee.
Like I said, he is not my cup of tea, but I welcome him in the primary race.
Norwegian on July 27, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Great book recommendation…I’ll definitely check that out!
I think I’m still reeling from the last election. So utterly vacuous, hence my resistance to call anyone the defacto frontrunner or presumptive nominee without careful evaluation. I get nervous when I see that on the right, know what I mean?
Bee on July 27, 2010 at 10:54 AM
It is simply too early to start picking who’s going to come out on top. A lot can change in the time left.
blatantblue on July 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Rightfully so.
I don’t like it either. The amount of time left between the present day, and the real beginning of the horse race on the right is a LIFETIME in politics.
Too much can go wrong, while too much can go right to make a judgement call now.
blatantblue on July 27, 2010 at 10:56 AM
bitsy on July 27, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Outstanding!
Ya forgot the Sarc/ tag though.
That right there is a sure fire loss.
People want the usurpers GONE and their policies Destroyed, not a reach across the isle, scratch my back and I’ll share power with you whimp.
A FIGHTER IS WHAT IS NEEDED AND WHERE BUSH FAILED!
A FIGHTER WHO CARRIES THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE OVER THE MEDIA PRESSTITUTES!
We need a leader with big brass ones to tell the clowns in DC town to sit down, shut up and let the adults correct their miserable, experimental, socialist screwups!
Call the corruotocrats a bunch of disfunctional, unaccomplished, leeches and losers and tell them reform is comin to D.C.
That right there is a winner for whomever has the balls to run with it!
dhunter on July 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Yes Tim, so one with charisma and who really connects, so you are backing Sarah, good. Journolist has been so kind to remove the excess baggage they mistakenly put in Sarahs name and debates will show who is tougher and most knowledgeable on all the topics of survival of the nation.NO one else will stand as strong for us. PALIN 2012
tim c on July 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Why don’t we just nominate Coddington Van Vorhees VII.
Brian1972 on July 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM
So, style over substance for you then? Count me out. Give me a competent, thoughtful leader, one willing to leave the ridiculous sloganeering for the child-like among us. The task of leading the nation is much more than marketing. I can understand that some of the more fearful, or incapable among us require the reassuring words of a politician, but we must know that slogans and image are without any real value. Time for the country to grow up.
ernesto on July 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM
But many people want to connect with a candidate, esp. those vaunted moderates who vote less based on where the person stands on the issues or what experience they have, and more on what “feels” good.
NoLeftTurn on July 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM
I have serious doubts about the repeal of Obamacare in a Republican take over of Congress. Besides the obvious chance of veto, I will need to be convinced that they won’t hang onto this power grab but just tinker around the edges.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Bingo. There is no need to write anyone off yet.
Except Huckachuck.
Abby Adams on July 27, 2010 at 11:00 AM
I am okay with supporting a former high school hockey player in Tim Pawlenty. I can relate to him at that level. He does have executive experience as govenor. He just needs to put on his pads, lace up his skates, and go to work on his national image.
I would support his campaign.
jbh45 on July 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Complain about it all you want, but that’s the America you live in. Obama got elected because he was slickly marketed. Reagan had good marketing as well; so did Clinton. I don’t think the ability to package yourself well necessarily precludes having good ideas or being able to do the job, do you? I would say all elements are necessary to a successful candidacy.
NoLeftTurn on July 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Sorry… I already played the aggreived Palinista. Beat you to it.
Abby Adams on July 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM
I’m not getting why emotion really needs to be a factor here.
I’d prefer a dry, dull candidate with some brass over someone who meets my “felt-needs” but doesn’t govern conservatively.
Want Fred!
*sulks*
Bee on July 27, 2010 at 10:35 AM
Me too-or Bobby, or Chris…
I like Gov. Palin and I’d vote for her-but…she’s not my first choice.
T-Paw’s okay.
No Newt, Mitt, or Rudy please.
annoyinglittletwerp on July 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM
How is suggesting that a leader that believes in the American form of government and the resourcefulness of her people “style over substance”?
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Oh, I can think of one likely candidate who may look somewhat different…
Anyway, I’ll vote for Pawlenty if he gets the nomination. However, my impression (that he kind of stood aside & let Franken steal a Senate seat) of him is not generally positive.
YMMV.
cs89 on July 27, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Oh I’m with ya’, baby
See ya, Huckaduck
blatantblue on July 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM
That’s rich, coming from an Obama supporter. TPaw is substance over style, unlike the current president who all he has is style since all his substance is incredibly unpopular.
I have to say I found the interview to be somewhat disappointing. TPaw is in my top 3, but he has to have a clear vision for repealing the heathcare monstrosity, and entitlement reform that puts us on a path to fiscal sanity and hopefully a more constitutionalist direction.
lizzie beth on July 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM
I voted Pawlenty into office when I lived in the cities. You are right, Pawlenty is tough as nails. He just needs to step it up on the national level and bare some teeth.
jbh45 on July 27, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Hmmm, where are the Paul-bots?
I guess summer-school hasn’t let out for the day.
annoyinglittletwerp on July 27, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Gender will be a big difference, TPaw.
Kissmygrits on July 27, 2010 at 11:07 AM
It’s not a question of Palin’s being the only one who’s able to keep America from going off the rails. All the potential candidates can do that, and frankly in terms of qualifications of that sort she’s behind most of the prospective field. It’s a question of which candidate is most likely to take it to Obama, which will be absolutely necessary. And Palin’s the ONLY prospect who’ll be able to do that. Pawlenty? Romney? Huckabee? Gingrich? Laughable in that regard. They’ll spend most of their time apologizing for any subsequent attack on such an historically significant president. Palin would’t have any such qualms.
And no, Mr Morrissey, it won’t be a question of “executive competence”. I don’t think people carry copies of resumes into the voting booth. It will be a question of which candidate provides the starkest contrast to Obama’s ideology.
ddrintn on July 27, 2010 at 11:08 AM
I would vote for Pawlenty, I will contribute to and work for Sarah!
As for Newt, Mitt, Huckster, Ron Paul?
I made that mistake with McCain and never got my $50.00 back after he failed to fight, fight, fight!
I’ll hang my head secure in the knowledge we’ll lose and dutifully slump on down, hands and money in my pocket to cast my vote for Anybody
But Barrack, knowing full well if we do somehow win we’re still screwed, blued and tattooed!
dhunter on July 27, 2010 at 11:08 AM
What? Me? Sarcastic? Never.
bitsy on July 27, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Obama had been talked up as a potential presidential candidate since 2004. He didn’t come out of nowhere.
ddrintn on July 27, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Gender will be a big difference, TPaw.
Kissmygrits on July 27, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Though I’m female-I was last time I checked anyway-I hope that the GOP doesn’t nominate an ‘affirmative action’ pick
NO!I’m not saying that Gov. Palin is unqualified but what I am saying that gender should have ZERO part in the decision -making process. I want the most qualified nominee. I don’t care what they look like!
annoyinglittletwerp on July 27, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Of course it has, the Palinbots are here.
Dark-Star on July 27, 2010 at 11:14 AM
HillDog was the favored candidate everywhere. Everyone assumed she was going to just walk in and take it. Obama came out from behind her and stole it all from her. He was not expected to do that.
blatantblue on July 27, 2010 at 11:15 AM
I think insisting upon such platitudes in every speech and statement is ridiculous. Should a President actually believe that, whether or not he gushes about it sufficiently is the furthest issue from my mind. The Economist’s Lexington column has a great piece on just how empty that sort of grandstanding is, and how it may actually steer presidents towards folly:
http://www.economist.com/node/16591267/print
ernesto on July 27, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Plus he had the Dinosaur Kneepads-On Media and head thumpers in the caucuses behind him.
he only took the caucus states because his thugs intimidated and stole them. It still has not been reported OR REPAIRED.
As the Republican early open primaries have not been.
Steele should be closing our primaries else we will get a DemLite again and LOSE!
dhunter on July 27, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Okay…I just commented…and it disappeared.
I didn’t even use the ‘R’ word.
annoyinglittletwerp on July 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM
I wasn’t saying Pawlenty is a style over subtance guy; he’s not, and I prefer him to most of the other GOP potential because of this. What I was referring to was the infantile need of many to have a papa bear president that bathes the country in reassurances and expounds our divine greatness at every turn. That stuff is for kids.
ernesto on July 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Style over substance is important only after elected. But in trying to garner the support of millions, charm and charisma are everything. But we also can not nominate someone who only charms the right but alienates the independents. The independents decide who wins elections. The GOP needs neither a country club republican, nor a radioactive bomb thrower. Either one will fail to win the independents. We need a right winger, for sure, but a right winger who knows how to deviously charm the middle, a right winger who the independents will say, how charming. That means no winking.
keep the change on July 27, 2010 at 11:19 AM
No, we won’t. The anal-retentives in the GOP will never allow such folly again.
Hardly the same as “coming out of nowhere”.
And I can see this is going to be another round of “Palin’s stoooopid and unelectable! Why can’t you idiots see that??” “No, she isn’t!!!”
I’ll take a pass on that this time around. I have work to do.
ddrintn on July 27, 2010 at 11:20 AM
Of course it has, the Palinbots are here.
Dark-Star on July 27, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Dark-Star: I can not believe,that you left out the
SarahCudians!!!!!!!
canopfor on July 27, 2010 at 11:21 AM
ernesto on July 27, 2010 at 11:16 AM
I agree completely.
Talking about American exceptionalism and smaller government is double plus ungood. Thought criminals should be arrested and recieve mental health therapies at the Bill Ayers Academy for Capitalist Rehabilitation.
bitsy on July 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM
ernesto on July 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Of course.
Washington, Madison, Jefferson, through Lincoln, FDR, etc. would never use such infantile language…
/s
cs89 on July 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Thank Gaia for O’Carter purging American politics of “nationalism”
MeatHeadinCA on July 27, 2010 at 11:36 AM
Teh Fled is a little busy now, doing commercials for reverse mortgages.
(Hey, Fred Thompson’s gotta eat too!)
JohnGalt23 on July 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM
Henceforth, we prefer to be called “Grizzlies”
Grrrrrr! *handclaw motion*
:D
bitsy on July 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Maybe we can reverse mortgage California and New York?
bitsy on July 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM
Hopefully you will work on your objectivity. Surprised you didn’t chime in with some relevant comment about Pawlenty such as “his weight” – Christie, or “his religion” – Jindal.
Thin skinned Palinbots are so…. needy!
Bradky on July 27, 2010 at 11:46 AM
what the heck, its fun to speculate…some interesting tickets: I believe you must have a gov and a member of congress…not two of the same.
Palin/Thune
Thune/Jindal
Jindal/Ryan
Gingrich/Pawlenty
Daniels/Thune
Daniels/Ryan
Thune/McDonnell
Jindal/Thune
Barbour/Ryan
joepub on July 27, 2010 at 11:48 AM
bitsy on July 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Hehe.
My mind flashed to “Liar Liar;” Does Pawlenty remind anyone else of the guy trying to take Carrey’s ex?
(him talking to kid) “It’s the claw! You’re afraid of the claw!” And the lady tells him to “put it away…”
cs89 on July 27, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Bradky on July 27, 2010 at 11:46 AM
The fact you keep intentionally taking ddrintin’s comment in that other thread out of context…after repeatedly being corrected on that issue I might add…says a lot more about you than you think it does about him.
powerpro on July 27, 2010 at 11:52 AM
Out of context? Either he was being disingenuous and a “concern troll” or the things he mentioned are objections he has. In either case it reflects his agenda of Palin uber alles and the facts be damned.
Bradky on July 27, 2010 at 11:54 AM
People ever ready at the attack should check the mirror.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Yeah well, “black” trumps “female” in politically correct Independentsville. I don’t see what unique characteristic is going to make T-Paw come out of nowhere. Being a white guy? Million dollar smile? Will he bribe moderates with amnesty or something?
But I like him in interviews. It would be interesting to see him run.
Dongemaharu on July 27, 2010 at 11:56 AM
No Bradky. Again…you’re twisting things to fit your “Palin supporters are nut jobs!” theme and it’s not going to work.
I remember what that was all about, you see. The comment was about how Palin detractors bring up various nebulous reasons why Palin is too damaged (supposedly) to win in the general. The response was that any candidate for the GOP will be equally damaged because they’ll all get the Palin treatment…and any perceived weakness or hitch will be highlighted and made an issue by the press so stop pretending like we’ll pick a candidate the media and the left (BIRM) won’t savage.
That was the point and it’s a valid one.
powerpro on July 27, 2010 at 11:58 AM
Unlike the constant petting and grooming Bradky needs to give his life purpose? Please.
portlandon on July 27, 2010 at 11:58 AM
I try to avoid the mirror. When ddrintn looks in the mirror he sees me and when I look in the mirror I see him…..
Bradky on July 27, 2010 at 11:59 AM
Not all people who like Palin are nutjobs. Not all nutjobs like Palin.
But in his case legitimate questions regarding readiness to lead, position on cap and trade, resigning, and past performance are considered trollish and hateful remarks. His recourse is to mock other candidates based on religion, looks, and family issues (ala Newt).
It appears that you have gone to the James Carville school of spin….
Bradky on July 27, 2010 at 12:03 PM
When people show up at Palin threads or turn threads into Palin threads just to repeat well known views, I think most of us have it figured out.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2010 at 12:08 PM
No… I just remember the context. Which you pretend doesn’t exist in order to make your case. He wasn’t saying what you said he said for the reasons you say.
And there’s nothing trollish about an honest discourse. But I don’t see that in your comments. I see baiting. I see you hoping you’ll push the right triggers so you can have and later showcase your proof!!!! that Palin supporters don’t care about the facts…they’re just mindless cultists…etc.
As far as any candidate goes…when the time comes that we actually have candidates…all issues such as readiness to lead, cap and tax, Obamacare, and past performance…plus in Palin’s case, her resignation are all legitimate issues.
But I reject the notion that we must decide these things now and I reject categorical pronouncements regarding Palin’s ability to win a contest that ends more than two years from now and that she hasn’t even entered yet.
powerpro on July 27, 2010 at 12:10 PM
QFT.
powerpro on July 27, 2010 at 12:10 PM
I’m not surprised you couldn’t come up with instances in the past where I’ve done any such thing. What a liar.
ddrintn on July 27, 2010 at 12:21 PM
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