Obama on Wikileaks docs: This is old news

posted at 4:14 pm on July 27, 2010 by Allahpundit

True enough, and thank goodness he decided to sound off about it today instead of waiting until tomorrow. The thought of him giving a national security exclusive to Joy Behar was simply … too much. Two quibbles with his point, though. One, like I said last night, while it’s old news to everyone who follows this subject that Pakistani intelligence is treacherous and filthy with jihad sympathizers, not everyone follows this subject. There’s bound to be more public pressure now on The One to do something about it. Which … may be a good thing:

Three administration officials separately expressed hope that they might be able to use the documents to gain leverage in efforts to get more help from Pakistan. Two of them raised the possibility of warning the Pakistanis that Congressional anger might threaten American aid.

“This is now out in the open,” a senior administration official said. “It’s reality now. In some ways, it makes it easier for us to tell the Pakistanis that they have to help us.”

Two, Wikileaks is still sitting on 15,000 documents so there may yet be a bombshell set to burst. In fact, I wonder if new media/liberal rock star Julian Assange purposely rolled out the weaker material to build buzz — for both himself and his “scoop” — with an eye to dropping the big one at just the right moment politically to maximize damage to the war effort. After all, this isn’t journalism, writes Andrew Exum, it’s activism:

Mr. Assange says he is a journalist, but he is not. He is an activist, and to what end it is not clear. This week — as when he released a video in April showing American helicopter gunships killing Iraqi civilians in 2007 — he has been throwing around the term “war crimes,” but offers no context for the events he is judging. It seems that the death of any civilian in war, an unavoidable occurrence, is a “crime.”

If his desire is to promote peace, Mr. Assange and his brand of activism are not as helpful as he imagines. By muddying the waters between journalism and activism, and by throwing his organization into the debate on Afghanistan with little apparent regard for the hard moral choices and dearth of good policy options facing decision-makers, he is being as reckless and destructive as the contemptible soldier or soldiers who leaked the documents in the first place.

Speaking of the leaker, Assange has taken to calling Bradley Manning, the prime suspect, a “political prisoner,” leading even some lefties to roll their eyes. Assuming Manning’s the guilty party, it’ll be fun watching him become the new progressive cause celebre even while people like Democrat Chris Carney are demanding that he be tried for treason. Exit question: If a Republican were president, this would officially be the biggest story evah, right? Just checking.

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“I’ve already pardoned Manning and offered him a job as national security adviser, so don’t even bother investigating him.”

-PBHO

Bishop on July 27, 2010 at 4:17 PM

By muddying the waters between journalism and activism, and by throwing his organization into the debate on Afghanistan with little apparent regard for the hard moral choices and dearth of good policy options facing decision-makers, he is being as reckless and destructive as the contemptible soldier or soldiers who leaked the documents in the first place

1LT Exum is right on this one. It’ll be interesting to see how the members of the JournoList will weigh in on this issue.

ted c on July 27, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Let’s all check in over at Jlist to see if this is going to be a big F’ing Deal…

d1carter on July 27, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Obobo sounds like a petulant child whose limelight has been stolen – however briefly that may be.

AubieJon on July 27, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Slightly OT: Obama to attend fundraiser instead of attending the 100th year Boys Scouts jamboree. He will be the first prez to skip one

ConservativePartyNow on July 27, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Old News we know nothing about….

CynicalOptimist on July 27, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Bradley Manning, the prime suspect

Who is 22 years old. This means that as a kid his “role model” as President, from the time he was 5 years old until he was a horny young teen, was Bill Clinton, who gave al Qaeda a pass.

Del Dolemonte on July 27, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Speaking of the leaker, Assange has taken to calling Bradley Manning, the prime suspect, a “political prisoner,” leading even some lefties to roll their eyes.

Gotta love those lefties. First they compare private citizens (the tea parties, Glenn Beck) to Hitler, then they claim to be political prisoners.

Big eyeroll from me, too.

UltimateBob on July 27, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Downplaying it seems like the right move.

rob verdi on July 27, 2010 at 4:24 PM

BHO is above it all…he is the most detached POTUS of my lifetime.

d1carter on July 27, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Slightly OT: Obama to attend fundraiser instead of attending the 100th year Boys Scouts jamboree. He will be the first prez to skip one
ConservativePartyNow on July 27, 2010 at 4:22 PM

In fairness to PBHO, his fundraiser is being sponsored by a visiting troupe of Young Pioneers from North Korea.

Bishop on July 27, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Hey Obama, You know what’s old news???? You Suck.

search4truth on July 27, 2010 at 4:24 PM

“Ladies and Jellyspoons,
I come before you to
stand behind you
to tell you something
That I know nothing about….”

CynicalOptimist on July 27, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Slightly OT: Obama to attend fundraiser instead of attending the 100th year Boys Scouts jamboree. He will be the first prez to skip one

ConservativePartyNow on July 27, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Shirley, you’re not surprised by this.

UltimateBob on July 27, 2010 at 4:25 PM

That clip was nearly unbearable.

forest on July 27, 2010 at 4:25 PM

““These documents don’t reveal any issues that haven’t already informed our public debate on Afghanistan.”

Sooo…

…spending Billions on a corrupt Pakistani intelligence that supports, trains, and arms the actual people who are killing American soldiers in Afghanistan, while your “Rules of Engagement” keep us from victory is well known in our public debate…?

… You could have fooled me.

Seven Percent Solution on July 27, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Exit question: If a Republican were president, this would officially be the biggest story evah, right? Just checking.

:)

cmsinaz on July 27, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Hang on, since when do conservatives have a problem with activism by non-journalists? That’s Breitbart’s whole gimmick.

Incidentally, shouldn’t we all be grateful to this Assange character for attempting to expose the flaws and unintended consequences of a massive government program? Maybe he’s a libertarian…

Enrique on July 27, 2010 at 4:26 PM

If a Republican were president, this would officially be the biggest story evah, right? Just checking.

If a Republican were president, I’d have no doubt Obama would be assailing Manning as some kind of hero, for bringing such atrocities to the light of day!

capejasmine on July 27, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Downplaying it seems like the right move.

rob verdi on July 27, 2010 at 4:24 PM

There’s downplaying and then there’s being non-chalant about the internal leak of military secrets. His speech comes off as being about as concerned as he’s going to be about the leaks and a “wink wink, nudge nudge” to leftists… wonder why…

Skywise on July 27, 2010 at 4:26 PM

In fairness to PBHO, his fundraiser is being sponsored by a visiting troupe of Young Pioneers from North Korea.

Bishop on July 27, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Well, I guess it’s nice to know that Obumble gets to hang with his heroes every now, and then. *SIGH*

capejasmine on July 27, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Goodness, who could’ve ever guessed he’d be a pompous airbag with shades of racial resentment?

rogerb on July 27, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Oops, wrong thread. How’d that happen?

rogerb on July 27, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Hang on, since when do conservatives have a problem with activism by non-journalists? That’s Breitbart’s whole gimmick.

Incidentally, shouldn’t we all be grateful to this Assange character for attempting to expose the flaws and unintended consequences of a massive government program? Maybe he’s a libertarian…

Enrique on July 27, 2010 at 4:26 PM

unlike exposing a massive fraud like ACORN, exposing military secrets can potentially put peoples lives at risk. Exposing ACORN shuts down a lefty slush fund that pays out for whorehouses and sex rings. While I do not disagree that the DoD wastes an extraordinary amount of money, leaking information that both exposes fraud and helps the enemy is much more difficult to stomach than defunding someone’s prostitution ring.

ted c on July 27, 2010 at 4:30 PM

it is hard to dismiss them as unimportant. Even for those of us with an extremely dour view of the Afghan War (and I took such a view in my May 2010 First Things essay, “The Morality of Self-Interest”), the contents are eye-popping. Certainly they reinforce my view that the nation-building strategy of the past Republican administration was a delusion. Social engineering doesn’t work, whether attempted by the right or the left.
[..]
But to continue to sacrifice American lives in Afghanistan under the circumstances seems stupid and immoral. It may be true that Afghanistan will be a breeding ground for terrorism when American troops leave, but Pakistan already is a breeding ground for terrorism. But there are other, cheaper ways to deal with the problem.
[...]
At some point the charade must come to an end, and it would be a novelty in world affairs if the reluctance of American commanders to feed the charade with American blood were the proximate cause of its termination.

Rae on July 27, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Yes, much of this Af-Pak stuff has been known, in dribs and drabs, over the past several years, but the remarkable thing about having so much documentation together in one package (with a promised 15,000 more on the way) is that it makes it quite easy to build several matrices, and, through these, discover methodologies, weaknesses, intentions, and establish countermeasures either through direct action or through agiprop activities. And if one or two bits of the right info is married up to this package perhaps even sources, units, activities and the like, with potential for lethal countermeasures as well.

And, those Pak military officers, to include the present Chief of Staff of the Pak military, General Ashfaq Kayani, an American-trained professional officer, and several very senior members of Pak intel who have indeed been working closely with us, and are not in favor of supporting the Taliban, now or ever, may have second thoughts about further cooperation…as they’d rightfully expect at anytime more sensitive information to somehow be leaked to Wikileaks or any other outfit by a disgruntled or fame-seeking junior US enlistedman.

Given time, perhaps a little as a few weeks, maybe even within hours of this stuff being published, this could be a strategic boon to an enemy in the field. It certainly is already proving its worth to the Left. Just as the Pentagon Papers never really revealed any “Secret” secrets, we all knew what was goping on over the years, anyway, these “low-level” classified documents [SECRET - not at all a low-level of classification] are fodder for the Left and food for an enemy possessing even a modicum of analytic capability.

Just yesterday, the White House was condemning these leaks.

Today, the White House is saying it is all “old news” and we can use this to our advantage?

Damage has been done. Damage will be done.

coldwarrior on July 27, 2010 at 4:36 PM

The Guardian had a column where Obama is quoted as saying (more or less) that these leaks show the failure of the previous administration and that he sent additional troops to Afghanistan and instigated a new policy to fix the errors of the previous administration.

Since the NYTimes is claiming that this leak might give Obama leverage over Pakistan you might suspect that this leak came from the Obama administration.

Skandia Recluse on July 27, 2010 at 4:36 PM

FWIW, Stratfor says basically the same thing.

greggriffith on July 27, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Hang on, since when do conservatives have a problem with activism by non-journalists? That’s Breitbart’s whole gimmick.

It’s not a problem with activism, it’s a problem with activism passing itself off as journalism. Assange is a “new media” hero now.

Allahpundit on July 27, 2010 at 4:38 PM

it makes it quite easy to build several matrices, and, through these, discover methodologies, weaknesses, intentions, and establish countermeasures either through direct action or through agiprop activities

Does it, though? Wouldn’t we need a complete archive of documents to know which incidents are outliers and which not?

Allahpundit on July 27, 2010 at 4:39 PM

For a sitting President & commander & Chief to treat such a treasonous act minor is a terrible thing.

I am calling for President Obama’s Resignation.

portlandon on July 27, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Allah,
“New Media”?
Didn’t “Old Media” giant NYT carry the water on this one?

mjbrooks3 on July 27, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Allahpundit on July 27, 2010 at 4:39 PM

This is not simple statistics, though some of the methodology is similar, but going through the incident reports and intel reports, trying to determine who [Afghan} was talking to whom [American] and what locations were not generally secure or less secure than others, can be gleaned from a mere handful of reports. Thus some regional leaders may be targetted further, others may be allowed to hang around awhile, some may be prone to Taliban admonishments, others to Taliban retribution.

The nature of the reporting, the subject matter, may indicate where on our operational directives lists certain activities are high and others fairly low. Thus, one can marshall limited resources toward those which are of more importance than others. Economy of Force is still a valid principle of war..for us, and for an enemy.

Now, as for our “using” these bits of leaked material and being somehow able to browbeat, or embarrass, senior Pak officials to get in line….whomever thinks that is an idea with more than 30 seconds of shelf-life is whistling past the graveyard.

No Pakistani military or intelligence professional with whom I have ever worked would for one moment accept being browbeaten or “embarrassed” into acting at our behest. Quite the opposite. What galls many of these professional officers is when confidences are printed in the American and European media and there were only one or two Americans present. If we cannot keep “secrets” from the hands of unauthorized US military personnel, if this Bradley Manning is the culprit, how can they believe we can keep confidences from some other more nefarious outfit? The Russian SVR? The Chinese? The Taliban? Opposing members of the Pak parliament?

Reluctance on their part to “assist” or even be known to be talking to American officials off the record is to be expected perhaps even more. In many parts of the world such activities on the part of senior foreign officials still carries prison time, or a death sentence.

coldwarrior on July 27, 2010 at 4:54 PM

I just wish someone else was in charge of our country. The speech did not ring true. The only reason to be this blase is to pull Assange’s chain. Personally, I’d like to see him dangling on the end of a chain with his feet off the ground. Hope his ego causes him to make numerous mistakes and get caught by our clandestine ops folks.

We don’t know how bad this leak is. I suspect it’s much worse than they’re letting on.

Any US citizen who does this should be executed. Hear that Mr. Manning?

eaglesdontflock on July 27, 2010 at 5:03 PM

Aiding and abetting the enemy. Tell me how it isn’t?

WitchDoctor on July 27, 2010 at 5:07 PM

You can tell he means business, because he didn’t use his Grecian formula today…

jana on July 27, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Speaking of the leaker, Assange has taken to calling Bradley Manning, the prime suspect, a “political prisoner,” leading

He took an Oath to defend the country and knowingly broke the rules. Just like most lefties they want to argue the rules dont apply when it effects them.

William Amos on July 27, 2010 at 5:36 PM

On the subject of wikileaks and the leaking leaker
http://cbs5.com/video/?id=67219@kpix.dayport.com

macncheez on July 27, 2010 at 5:45 PM

America plays the fool in Pakistan’s double game

The treasure trove of 91,000 classified AfPak documents posted by WikiLeaks suggests that our government’s been deceiving us about Pakistan’s murderous behavior.

But the situation’s even worse than that: Our government’s been lying to itself.

The documents in question aren’t superclassified. They’re largely low-level field reports at the “confidential” level, bottom-rung stuff, with some secret documents mixed in. Their value lies in their unfiltered quality. This is what the guys on the ground with the guns have been seeing, hearing and sensing.

It ain’t good. Reports covering the five years from 2004 to 2009 cite routine Pakistani support for the Afghan Taliban — as the terrorists kill our troops. Pakistan’s infamous Inter Services Intelligence, or ISI, also has been working with al Qaeda, according to the reports.

Our government is “shocked, shocked!” by the revelations. And the excuses for Pakistan’s lethal misconduct have already started flowing.

We’re told that these reports are unverified, that some can be traced back to anti-Pakistani Afghan intelligence operatives, and that American eyewitness accounts are one-offs.

Folks, I’ve done plenty of intelligence analysis, and here’s how it works: A single report of a supposed ally’s wrongdoing gets your attention, but it’s regarded as an outlier until another source confirms it. After that, you actively search for further corroboration — before you get blindsided big time.

One report might be hearsay. But hundreds of reports of Pakistani collaboration with our Taliban and al Qaeda enemies amount to a pattern. And intelligence is about patterns.

Our government’s response to Pakistani complicity in the death of hundreds of our troops and the wounding of thousands? Send additional aid — on top of the $6 billion recently committed — and bills in Congress to grant special trade privileges to Pakistanis in Taliban-infested territories.

Tav on July 27, 2010 at 5:55 PM

No Pakistani military or intelligence professional with whom I have ever worked would for one moment accept being browbeaten or “embarrassed” into acting at our behest.

coldwarrior on July 27, 2010 at 4:54 PM

What is needed is a club. If that doesn’t work then you are not using a big enough club. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

Tav on July 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM

As nothing as this information is (so far) I think an example needs to be made to put an end to this.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2010 at 6:21 PM

PSYOPS

This wikileaks guy is showing up on Larry King CNN. Who thinks if the powers that be wanted to reach out and touch this guy, they wouldn’t have done it already, and rolled up his website? We have people in our government that’s only mission is cyber security.

This is serving someones purpose…..

Dr Evil on July 27, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Tav on July 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM

This is going to be long. I’m a bit peeved…not at you, but how badly we screwed the pooch on this one.

To respond to your comments:

Other than actually cutting Pakistan off at the knees…allowing pro-Taliban elements within Pakistan and home-grown Islamofascists within Pakistan to take power…what sort of bigger club had you in mind?

In the HUMINT world, one size does not fit all.

On the military side sometimes a bigger club can be used against you in the long run.

On the diplomatic side, however, IF we wanted to get serious (which we should have several decades ago) then we have to be willing to play high-stakes poker, and well, and do a bit of bare knuckles street fighting when necessary.

Unfortunately, the foreign policy wonks have no stomach for such.

The fact of the matter is that Benazir Bhutto, the darling of the East Coast lib set, and now considered a martyr by the same folks, was very much responsible for rescuing the Taliban from early extinction. She is also responsible for the growth and power of the ISI as a check aimed at the Pak military.

Imagine, a liberated female in the Moslem world. No one in Washington wanted to ruffle her feathers. But the Pak military did. So did anyone who actually knew her and wasn’t made to fear her.

After Bhutto was ousted in the early 90′s there were a large number of senior Pak military folks who wanted to get a lot closer to the US (and the West in general) as that whole non-aligned thing never got them anywhere.

It was anathema to us to back a military regime over an ousted darling of Radcliffe. And we really didn’t “need” the Pak military anymore after the Russians bailed out of Afghanistan. Didn’t need much of the ISI, for that matter…we terminated contacts with a huge number of assets out there in the early-to-mid 90′s.

Keep in mind that both Gandhi and Ali Jinnah knew that Pakistan it would not work well at all.]

Bhutto adored Mugabe and Kim Il-Sung, among others, as much as she adored accumulating wealth on the backs of the average Pakistani, made billions, and established a deep-rooted lucrative power-broker class among Pakistan that survives well after her death. She also made high-level corruption in Pakistan a requirement for advancement.

We had a chance with Musharraf, but blew that one along the line too, by once again attacking the Pak military in public and in private.

The ISI came out of this smelling like a rose…being able to say to both the Pak civil government and the military that the US was no ally, perhaps even worse, couldn’t be trusted at all, and Pakistan was on her own…against India, against China, against an Afghanistan that descended into chaos after we decided that the Cold War was over, the Russians were no longer a down-range target, so who needed Afghanistan anyway?

In this millieux, the “students” who survived the Russo-Afghan war in madrasses in the Northwest and in Waziristan headed for Kandahar, and eventually got to Kabul…becoming the Taliban…and the Pakistanis (especially the ISI) liked the idea that they were able to keep these lawless thugs out of Pakistan’s affairs, and prevented at the same time Afghanistan from even considering relations with India or China…but there was reluctance on the part of the professional military class.

Over the past few years, as we vacillated in our commitment against Islamofacism and global terrorism, the ISI is able at key moments of discussion in Islamabad to remind the players that the US is no ally to be trusted.

Against the ISI is a diminishing number of professional military officers who are not interested in politics, but are interested in preserving Pakistan. Face it, the Pak armed forces are the only damn thing holding that country together. And how do we, in public and in private, treat them? As successive US officials tell Pakistan that a military in charge in Pakistan is contrary to American principles…sure lets them know where they stand.

Nothing happens in Pakistan anymore without the ISI knowing about it, and Zardari approving it.

And we welcomed Karzai with open arms, a man with a lifetime of close ties to key regional corrupt warlords and more recently Taliban leaders in Afghanistan? So, the Taliban are bad…unless they are friends with Karzai? Or only Taliban in Pakistan are bad…but that leaves Taliban in Afghanistan to triangulate with Iran and others against secular government in Pakistan.

There are no simple solutions…a heavier club or not.

But at some point we need an Administration and a Congress to understand a lot more than they appear to.

Instead, out in Af-Pak key players learn quickly that when things go wrong we will be the first to blame them. And the ISI is able to say…”we told you so.”

We ousted Musharaf, and Benazir’s super-corrupt husband took over after her death…and he has a track record of duplicity and raw theft that goes back decades. Fully documented. But so long as he is not military, by our standards, he is perfectly OK. He has us where he wants us. Compliant. Almost afraid. We readily go to him hat in hand asking for more help. Current SecState has certainly made enormous inroads into the Zardari circle, right? Zardari demands more money…and we give it to him, willingly, and the Pak professional officer corps sees this and takes it as an article of faith that the US government is as corrupt as Azif Ali Zadari…and the ISI steps up and explains once again, “We told you so.”

And the ISI is deeply entrenched in the Zadari regime. The ISI did not like Musharaf. They like Zardari. He knows they can toss him out in a heartbeat.

Yes, these documents of which we speak do lay out a lot of screw-ups on the US side, too…a lot of them. No argument there.

Their revelation has hazarded our ability to gain confidences and clandestine relationships with those within Pakistan, and in Afghanistan, who view Islamic fundamentalism, jihadi terror and the power of the ISI, as bad.

They also see that they have a draconian decision to make.

Try to make a pact with a weak horse, an unreliable horse, a fading horse….us…and hope for the best?

Or back the apparent current strong horse and hope for the best?

Knowing as they do that every two years the complexion of Congress changes, and every four years the complexion of the Executive branch changes…doesn’t give them a whole lot of wiggle room for long-term planning.

Right now, the best good option for us is to get out…and fast.

Or, finding bailing-out repugnant, reduce Taliban portions of Afghanistan and the Pak Northwest and Waziristan to rubble, destroy the ISI, oust the current government, enable the Pakistani professional officer corps broad leeway…and let the rest of the folks out there start rebuilding after the smoke and dust clears, with the clear message that is they step out of line…

And nobody in Washington, St. Louis, Toledo, Duluth, Atlanta and any point in between is going to support that sort of thing. And, I am certain no one in New Delhi or Beijing is going to allow that to happen without “consequences” either.

Unless we end the summer with mere tiny remnants of the Taliban clinging to shattered hillsides all across Af-Pak…rendered into dust…perhaps we really do need to bring our men and women home. And deciding to bring them home, do it quickly. We owe them at least that much.

coldwarrior on July 27, 2010 at 7:58 PM

And this…from today’s Financial Times.

General Hamid Gul responds.

Sure, he may be over the top in his reaction, but when we “lose” Hamid Gul, even well after his retirement, we’ve lost.

A lot of Pak officers will be having reservations about any sort of cooperation or even low-level contacts with Americans now.

And the release of this “old news” stuff, according to Obama, does no harm?

coldwarrior on July 27, 2010 at 8:11 PM

This is going to be long.

Whoa Nelly, is it ever!

Other than actually cutting Pakistan off at the knees…allowing pro-Taliban elements within Pakistan and home-grown Islamofascists within Pakistan to take power…what sort of bigger club had you in mind?

coldwarrior on July 27, 2010 at 7:58 PM

How big do they make them?

We are in a very sad state of affairs if we either have to keep putting up with the Paks stabbing us in the back, and us paying them for the privilege, or accept a complete Taliban and/or Islamofascist take over. I doubt that these double-dealing Paks would want to lose their power to Taliban and/or Islamofascists, or some would say other/competing Taliban and/or Islamofascists, anyway. In any case this kind of either/or is blackmail and we should not just roll over and accept it. We have been doing to much of that lately.

Tav on July 27, 2010 at 8:42 PM

“The wonder of the dancing bear is not how well it dances, but that it dances at all.”

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It’s not about this being “old news” or not, but about the fact it was leaked at all.

mrt721 on July 27, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Slightly OT: Obama to attend fundraiser instead of attending the 100th year Boys Scouts jamboree. He will be the first prez to skip one

ConservativePartyNow on July 27, 2010 at 4:22 PM

I can’t help it. I’ve got to ask, how often do they have these 100th year Boys Scout jamboree?

Vince on July 27, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Tav on July 27, 2010 at 8:42 PM

To take a line from the movie classic
Princess Bride… We fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia.”

I’ve known and worked alongside a number of senior Pakistanis over the years, military and intel alike. Many are now here in the States these days…immigrated…some preferring to be shop keepers rather than be brigade commanders or division chiefs, or even fighter pilots, anymore. Pakistan has a lot of housecleaning to do, according to them, if Pakistan wishes to have a house at all. Unfortunately, this whole Talib and ISI thing, as well as the corruption of the Islamabad civilian government, pretty much insures that back in Islamabad they’ll burn down their house long before they’ll give a thought to cleaning house.

Islamofascist in Lahore or just plain carpet dealer in Karachi, makes no difference, in all parts of the world, save for Washington, DC, if they know they are dealing with a rube….hells bells, they’ll run with it until it stops running. Therein lies one of our fatal errors. Our own SecState and SecDef are more than willing to let Zardari call the shots as we apologize for taking his time. Our President? Presidents in the recent past? Same thing. With any ally the first rule is there are no friendly services…act accordingly. With any potential foe…Sun Tzu was correct…know thy enemy.

Whether Zia al-Huq, or Benazir Bhutto, or Zardari….
seems our national leadership is more impressed that they can speak English like they do in Cambridge than any other given attribute.

Didn’t have to be this way. And long long before GW Bush arrived on the scene, too.

coldwarrior on July 27, 2010 at 10:16 PM

With any potential foe…Sun Tzu was correct…know thy enemy.

coldwarrior on July 27, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder and then crush him.

Of course, I’m not exactly sure how that particular nugget of Sun Tzu advice would apply as we are doing a lot more than just feigning disorder.

Tav on July 27, 2010 at 11:03 PM

Barack Obama may act like an idiot, he may sound like an idiot and he may even look like an idiot, but don’t let that fool you, he really is an idiot.

Tav on July 27, 2010 at 11:06 PM

In just two hours of searching the WikiLeaks archive, The Times of London found the names of dozens of Afghans credited with providing detailed intelligence to U.S. forces. Their villages are given for identification and also, in many cases, their fathers’ names.

From Fox News, Times of London.

Mr Leaks has some explaining to do before he is charged with any reprisals that happen against these informants because of Mr Wikileaks arrogance of making himself king and deciding what information gets leaked.

journeyintothewhirlwind on July 28, 2010 at 12:01 AM