Netroots Nation straw poll: Lefties overwhelmingly want to face Palin in 2012
posted at 4:21 pm on July 26, 2010 by Allahpundit
Did someone here order the red meat?
In a straw poll of attendees at the Netroots Nation conference in Las Vegas over the weekend, 48 percent of respondents said they’d like to see Palin as the Republican Party’s 2012 nominee. Rep. Ron Paul came in a distant second, at 11 percent. Ten percent voted for Rick Santorum, 9 percent for Mitt Romney and 8 percent for Newt Gingrich. Seven percent chose Tim Pawlenty, while 5 percent said Mike Huckabee, and 1 percent said Rep. Mike Pence.
One name not on the list was Sen. John Thune of South Dakota. While he may not be on everyone’s radar for 2012, DNC executive director Jennifer O’Malley Dillon said at the Netroots conference this weekend that Thune was the potential 2012 GOP presidential candidate who scares her the most. “John Thune is somebody that I have nightmares about,” O’Malley Dillon said. “He has his head down and is doing some policy stuff.”
Thune would give them fits because they wouldn’t know how to define him. Same with Mitch Daniels, albeit to a lesser extent thanks to his Bush pedigree. With Palin, the DNC narrative is already set and, equally importantly, her name recognition is such that they could frame the election as a choice between two mega-stars, not a referendum on The One’s first term. That’s their strategy in November too, of course: If they run on their record they’re dead on arrival, no matter what the voices in Harry Reid’s head might be telling him, so they’re forced to push a “GOP is worse!” message that deflects attention onto their opponents. Hence the constant agonizing among the Republican House leadership about whether to endorse a specific conservative agenda for the midterms, which gives the Dems something concrete to attack, or whether to sell themselves more vaguely as candidates of, er, hope and change vis-a-vis Pelosi’s Democratic majority. If Sarahcuda’s the nominee, we get a real “A vs. B” choice election, not an “A vs. Not A” referendum as typically happens with incumbent presidents. That would be tons of fun to write about under any circumstance, but with two larger-than-life candidates like her and The One, it’d be blog paradise; it’d also have the party establishment, which is eager for a straightforward “anyone but Obama” campaign, breathing into paper bags. No wonder lefty bloggers are gung ho. And hey — just think how much fresh new Trig Truther material they must have saved up by now.
Further to the point, see PPP’s new poll on what’s happened to Kelly Ayotte in New Hampshire since Palin endorsed her. The bounce among Republican primary voters has coincided with a downturn among moderates, precisely the dynamic lefties are counting on to capture the center in an Obama/Palin race. We’ll see what happens with Fiorina, another Palin endorsee, in deep-blue California. At the moment, she’s still right in the thick of things.
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If I was a libtard socialist wanting to see Barackus Caesar win a 2nd term, I’d want Sarah Palin on the GOP ticket too.
Can you blame them?
She’d virtually guarantee a 2nd term for Barackus.
If she were to even run for POTUS on the Independent ticket, she’d practically guarantee a 2nd term for Barackus then too. She’d steal enough votes from the GOP candidate via the pipe-dreamers who would otherwise likely vote for the GOP candidate.
Sarah Palin needs to get her talk show or whatever it is she wants to do as long as she just steps off politics. Unless she’s seeking a position anywhere beneath VPOTUS. Then she should go for it.
Dhurka Dhurka on July 26, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Don’t worry she will. And I’ll enjoy the sight of them cursing and foaming at the mouth when she wins.
xax on July 26, 2010 at 6:08 PM
Oh, if Obama gets primaried, even if he wins, he’s toast.
I have no doubt Obama will be challenged in the primaries. He will probably prevail in the end, but will be considerably weaker afterwards.
2012 is looking more & more like 1980 redux.
Norwegian on July 26, 2010 at 6:09 PM
Heard the new Saints slogan the other day.
TWO-DAT!!!
Works for me!
Del Dolemonte on July 26, 2010 at 6:12 PM
OK, so what Superman do you have in mind? Thune? LOL
ddrintn on July 26, 2010 at 6:15 PM
I sure hope you’re correct. The only hope now is for the right wing to win a massive victory, and then steamroll their opposition for the next 4 years at least, without going off the rails. The people with their heads halfway screwed on straight are going to have to trounce the people with their heads on backwards…and do the “physician, heal thyself” bit at the same time.
It’s a darn slim hope, but it will be either that or some form of national disintegration within our lifetimes.
Dark-Star on July 26, 2010 at 6:17 PM
Not so much. You don’t spend nearly two years trying to undermine a person who you want to setup as an easy horse. If this were true… and its not – they would be building her up. Instead they make ever thing she does an “issue”, and blow it up to ridiculous proportions which adds layer and layer of teflon. They fear Sarah Palin and rightly so.
Oh I have little doubt they want to run against the caricature they’ve created, but the caricature is not the reality. Buying their own press will lead them to tears.
Sharr on July 26, 2010 at 6:17 PM
Why would she run on an independent ticket? She’s a Republican.
darwin on July 26, 2010 at 6:17 PM
If Jenfidel is looking to win people over to the Palin camp, her obnoxious and condescending posts ain’t gonna get the job done.
Will some independents vote for Palin? Sure. But not nearly enough. She’s just the other extreme of Obama. Moderates are called that for a reason. They HATE extremes.
Add in the fact that Palin has a soap-opera family life and is viewed as unqualified, even a dolt, by a heckuva lot of voters who are not going to change their minds, and it’s no wonder the lefties are salivating at the prospect of her being the nominee.
Thanks for nothing, Palin nuts. Four more years of Obama and this country is done.
Meredith on July 26, 2010 at 6:19 PM
You know what, guys, I’ve had a change of heart. We should listen to the netroots. Palin is un-electable.
The only one who can save us now is Super RINO!
Yes… unemployment, failure in Afghanistan, $13 brazilian in debt, taxes out the wazoo… the only way we can beat Obama is with rinoiest of RINOs. Snowe/Specter 2012!
bitsy on July 26, 2010 at 6:19 PM
Yeah I’m pretty sure Sarah Palin squished any such notion of such a move when Beck asked her about.
Sharr on July 26, 2010 at 6:20 PM
So why did they vote for Obama in ’08? They either DO like extremes, or they’re pretty damn ignorant.
ddrintn on July 26, 2010 at 6:23 PM
We call them bimbos (male and female both) around here. Just sit in the middle and you don’t have to actually think about the issues, and the best part is you get to make a pretense of how dispassionate and reserved you are.
sharrukin on July 26, 2010 at 6:24 PM
I’m sorry–were you just casually trolling or do you have an actual thought process behind your pronouncements that you’d care to share with the rest of us?
Jenfidel on July 26, 2010 at 6:24 PM
You couldn’t name anything Palin has done or supports that’s “extreme” if your life depended on it.
There is no such thing as a “moderate”. “Moderate” is a term coined by the press. People branded moderates are usually indecisive due to being poorly informed.
darwin on July 26, 2010 at 6:26 PM
Thanks!
Your posts are neat-beat, too.
I’m only obnoxious and condescending to the obvious trolls, like you.
Frankly, I’m getting tired of the same tired memes.
I hope I can take it for another 2 and 1/2 years.
You mean she loves our country, God, our military and people of all colors, including white people?
And you and your compadres on Axelrod’s payroll and Journolist are going to make sure.
Jenfidel on July 26, 2010 at 6:27 PM
Yeah, that’s a good point. One group of PDS hermit crabs here say she’s “extreme right wing”, without ever producing an example of such far-right-wingism, while another little flock of hermit crabs says she “socialist” for sticking it to oil companies in Alaska. Gosh it’s hard to keep up.
ddrintn on July 26, 2010 at 6:28 PM
You’re forgetting the third option – they voted AGAINST someone instead of FOR someone.
That (and sadly the ‘ignorant’ part) pretty much accounts for the ’08 elections.
Dark-Star on July 26, 2010 at 6:28 PM
He’s actually working on his allahpundit impression. An impression, to be successful, has to over-emphasize quirks and mannerisms. OTOH, betas by definition do not have clearly defined quirks and mannerisms. They are into warm fuzzies, which is why charcoal drawings are hanging in most beta homes.
Face it – allahpundit is unique, and by definition is therefore irreplaceable. Not even by lorien.
platypus on July 26, 2010 at 6:29 PM
And poorly informed because they are too lazy to study the issues.
Disturb the Universe on July 26, 2010 at 6:29 PM
Can we also rid ourselves of the notion that there exists a mythical candidate who the media will not go out of its way to Bork?
If someone labors on the notion that there exists some “safe, likable” Right leaning politician the media won’t go out of its way to turn into dumb/evil or variants there of I have a bridge I’d like you to buy.
None exists, and who knows they might double down on the next person since we caved already. Why would they not?
Sharr on July 26, 2010 at 6:29 PM
Still amounts to the same thing. They voted AGAINST a fairly moderate McCain and actually a fairly moderate Bush, at least in domestic policy.
ddrintn on July 26, 2010 at 6:30 PM
Ooooh, bitsy – you are one mean mutha. I bet you juggle with running chainsaws.
platypus on July 26, 2010 at 6:32 PM
If your brushes were any broader, you could paint the sides of my grandfather’s barn in a dozen strokes.
Dark-Star on July 26, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Yeah, or Scott Brown. Wasn’t he supposed to be the moderate savior?
ddrintn on July 26, 2010 at 6:33 PM
What? The so-called “moderate” is usually non-committal and indecisive mainly because of ignorance of the issues. They tend to be easily swayed by catch phrases like “pro-choice”.
darwin on July 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM
Somebody feeling a little sensitive?
Disturb the Universe on July 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM
You’re not correct about 2008.
They voted FOR Obama because they wanted to elect “the first black Precedent” to assuage their white guilt.
That, plus McCain never gave anyone a real reason to vote FOR him.
Sarah tried to carry the campaign all by herself as the VP candidate, but it couldn’t be done.
Jenfidel on July 26, 2010 at 6:36 PM
The McCain campaign hog tied her and wouldn’t let her campaign … hence “going rogue”. It’s my opinion they were either the worst campaign team ever, or did it intentionally.
darwin on July 26, 2010 at 6:39 PM
carter supporters wanted Reagan on the ticket instead of Bush. How did that work out for them?
unseen on July 26, 2010 at 6:39 PM
As I recall they wanted to run against Reagan too! being a dumb actor and all.
Lonetown on July 26, 2010 at 6:39 PM
Yes, but who did Carter’s Politburo advisors want?
darwin on July 26, 2010 at 6:40 PM
Posts like this are getting really old.
Please stop speaking with such authority about something that has not happened yet.
You don’t know what will happen. No one does.
But to decide in 2010 that Palin won’t get enough Independent votes…before she even announces, much less actually campaigns and promotes herself…is insane.
Yes… you heard me right. INSANE.
The entire purpose of a campaign is to make the case for yourself that you are the right person with the right ideas.
IF Palin runs, that will be her task.
She’ll either succeed and make the case for herself, or she won’t and we’ll have some other candidate.
At the risk of repeating myself deciding or declaring in 2010 that she won’t win enough Independents is nutty.
So what’s the deal?
powerpro on July 26, 2010 at 6:42 PM
I quite agree.
That was disgusting…and I hope I never have to live through a campaign like that again.
Hearing McCain say “Fight with me!” still makes me crazy!
Jenfidel on July 26, 2010 at 6:44 PM
And lefties wanted to face Reagan in 1980 and W. in 2000, because they thought they were easy marks.
Their predictive ability is not great.
All I have to say to them is, “Be careful what you wish for — you may get it.”
Don’t know whether Sarah would faceplant — but my guess is no. Unlike President Obama, who relied on knocking out his opponents with oppo or with legalistic tricks before the 2008 campaign, all of Palin’s campaigns have involved running from behind.
I don’t know whether she’d be the strongest candidate in terms of electability, but she has a fan base that will crawl over broken glass for her (as you see here) and she has run underdog campaigns before, for mayor and for governor.
Don’t underestimate her.
And just think how great would it be to watch liberals’ heads explode if she actually won?
tigerinexile on July 26, 2010 at 6:45 PM
May I suggest a Thune/Daniels ticket?
Thune (Pro TARP, bailouts, ethanol subsidies, etc) & Daniels (Truce/Surrender to Democrats on all social issues) would be the ultimate RINO ticket, covering both fiscal and social issues.
Of course, that would guarantee a third party run and Obama’s 2nd term as well, but at least the GOP wouldn’t have to worry about offending those crucial moderate voters.
Norwegian on July 26, 2010 at 6:45 PM
That reminds me, I read an article about Karl Rove being barred from speaking at a college in Illinois recently. In the article it was noted that Ralph Nader had been there only a couple weeks earlier and that in fact Ralph’s speaking engagement was also a fundraiser.
Run Ralphie, Run!!!
slickwillie2001 on July 26, 2010 at 6:46 PM
That’s because like pretty much every other charge levied against her, it’s not whether or not it’s true that’s important, it’s that someone thinks it might be true. Or the squishies fear that this is what the independents think. Or it’s the fact that someone’s raising that point that proves she’s “polarizing” and “extreme.”
People (the LSM and squishy Establishment GOP_ say she’s extreme and polarizing, thus she is.
Evidence schmevidence.
powerpro on July 26, 2010 at 6:47 PM
AP digging for worms again…
callingallcomets on July 26, 2010 at 6:51 PM
Kucinich/Waters 2012!
Brian1972 on July 26, 2010 at 6:53 PM
Don’t forget that it is the same Journolist writers that secretly feared that the Sarah Palin message resonated with the GOP base and thatb she would draw in independents if she was not destroyed were happily snorting in public that they wanted her nominated so an easy victory would be theirs. Don’t fall for the head fakes!
jimw on July 26, 2010 at 7:01 PM
QFT.
powerpro on July 26, 2010 at 7:03 PM
In reality, moderates do not have a strong political philosophy and are the least informed of all voters. They vote for whomever in the “in” candidate. In 1980 and 1984 they voted for Reagan. In 2008 they voted for Obama. Both were the most extreme canditates.
So, which RINO do you back Meredith?
bw222 on July 26, 2010 at 7:09 PM
I partly agree. These people are the fringiest of the fringe. They suffer from a collective raging case of PDS, and they are convinced in their feverish state that they’ve already destroyed her so she will be easy pickings. They don’t exactly have a tight grasp on reality. I like the odds so I say “Bring it.”
I do think Allah makes a salient point as well when he notes an Obama/Palin matchup would be blogger paradise. These moonbats are mostly bloggers themselves so I imagine they relish that prospect of that kind of traffic bonanza.
NoLeftTurn on July 26, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Yes, but who did Carter’s Politburo advisors want?
darwin on July 26, 2010 at 6:40 PM
Reagan. The entire left wanted Reagan to go up against. because you see they believed their own lies by that point. sure they started up making fun of reagan to lower his approval among the masses but a funny thing happened along the way. this same thing happens to all PR people sooner or later they started to believe their own PR. they believed the lies and thought them the truth. when Reagan like Palin shows the masses what lies they are the PR people can not see the truth any longer and blindly cling to their narrative.
for instance journal list shows that the left made up the narrative about Palin from whole cloth. Yet even after the scandal has been exposed mostof the MSM still believes the made up narrative that she is a ditz, diva, theological nutcase etc.
unseen on July 26, 2010 at 7:10 PM
I don’t think it is a head fake. They really believe this.
When the caricature is destroyed by the reality and it is obvious to everyone but them, they will lose their freaking minds.
It will be a joy to behold.
Brian1972 on July 26, 2010 at 7:11 PM
I wonder when Palin wins the nomination if allah will vote for Obama vs Palin.
He seems like the type that would.
unseen on July 26, 2010 at 7:12 PM
The left has miscalculated everything so far and thrown certain victory to defeat.
LET’S GIVE ‘EM WHAT THEY WANT!
BOO-YAH! MAMA GRIZZLY!!
HondaV65 on July 26, 2010 at 7:15 PM
A totally self deluded people. Libs are a shameful example of existentialist abandonment.
obleo on July 26, 2010 at 7:15 PM
they will lose their freaking minds.
It will be a joy to behold.
Brian1972 on July 26, 2010 at 7:11 PM
not sure. the mind’s attempt to save itself is strong. Look most dems still think reagan was a dunce, destroyed the economy and very nearly lead us into WW3 if not for Gorby saving him from himself. The liberals minds tends to twist facts and figures in any way it can to aviod dealing with truth and reality. Just look at the “created or saved” crap they put out about the destructive economic plans of Obama.
unseen on July 26, 2010 at 7:16 PM
I would say no. He’s holding out as long as he can, but he won’t be able to forever. If it is Palin in 2012, he will be obligated to give her his vote in return for all the bloggy goodness that will follow from her run.
He knows where his bread is buttered. :)
Brian1972 on July 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM
Their miserable contortions and tears of despair are not only tasty, but good for your health.
Enjoy!
Brian1972 on July 26, 2010 at 7:19 PM
Let me get on my soapbox …
Don’t try to “game” the “game”.
The GOP – is, or was, a DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Democracy means trusting the people’s choice. Now – if ya wanna trust the GOP Establishment – then just ask ole Ayatollah John Cornyn who you should vote for. Afterall – he’s got a great track record … Arlen Specter, Charlie Crist, KBH …
And you’ll get a wishy washy, non-charasmatic nominee who might win and will certainly cross the isle to spend more of your money with the Democrats if he does win.
Or you can let the GOP voters at the grassroots decide who to nominate. If you’re against that democratic process – why in the hell do you live in the greatest Democracy the world has ever seen? There are better places for you – really.
Let the GOP voters decide.
HondaV65 on July 26, 2010 at 7:20 PM
+100
ted c on July 26, 2010 at 7:21 PM
10 reasons why Sarah Palin will lead the greater majority of her endorsees across the finish line in November and be highly instrument in using her influence, leverage and political power to take back a house of Congress from the Democrats:
1)Her mama grizzlies will all get the vote of folks who favor repealing Obamacare. Rasmussen today claims that 58% of Americans want it repealed; only 37% oppose repeal currently. The #1 mama grizzly will hang Obama and all the Dems out to dry with Obamacare.
2)She will be able to maximize WHITE turnout to perhaps as 79% of the electorate as was the case in 2006 according to Chris Cillizza of WAPO while traditional minorities tend to stay home during the midterms. Pollsters are in agreement that the GOP has a huge advantage of enthusiasm right now over the Dems; it will even be heightened further by Palin.
3)In addition Obama will not be on the ballot to draw as many Blacks to the polls. In addition with Obama polling in the mid or high 50′s in job approval with Hispanics, this is not a good sign that they are coming out to vote in numbers like 2008 or may even go over to the Republicans because of the economy.
4)When not talking Obamacare, Palin will talking about the irresponsibility of Pelosi-Reid-Obama in running up the debt and putting America closer to insolvency and emphasize that the breaks must be put on and the only way to do that is to elect Republicans to Congress; unlike 2008 Republicans and conservatives will not be sitting this election out regardless how inept the GOP leadership is. Palin will be able to reign in many independents with this argument.
5)Her strong immigration stand supporting the Arizona illegal immigration law imho will help the GOP win close seats held by the Dems in the West because of the anger at Obama for taking Arizona to court.
6)She will talk Gulf oil spill and how ridiculous the moratorium of offshore drilling is and relate that to the cost of a gallon of gasoline or how much home heating oil will cost without more drilling
7)Sarah Palin will carry more prestige and gravitas during the campaign because quite simply she will be doing better in the polls in the fall than she is doing now and thus people will tend to listen to what she says more seriously
8)She will earn the vote of the vast middle class by talking the language of small business, entrepreurial ability and capital investment and take the Dems to the woodshed over their failed economic policies emphasizing again the fault of the Dems in Congress who passed stimulus and spent like drunken sailors
9)Seniors always vote in higher numbers to their population that any other age category, but with Obama now polling at 38% with those over 65, Palin will exploit this fact to bring them out to the polls even in higher numbers than usual
10) Some Jewish voters will defect to the GOP because of the web site Jews for Sarah and Sarah’s unapologetic stand in defending Israel
11)And finally Palin will be able to talk the language of evangelicals to convince them that they must get out and vote, which will impact races in the South and the midwest.
Don’t let the Netroots fool you. There are puppetmasters behind the scene telling the nutroots they want to create the impression that they want Obama to face Sarah Palin in 2012, so that we on our side begin to think that Palin is damaged goods and would be slaughtered by Obama. In football terms this is called “a head fake”.
Look in the most recent PPP poll Palin drew even with Obama at 46-46 and was also leading him by 19 points among WHITE voters (55-36), ahead of him with independents 47-42 and even beating him among female voters 47-44. Ask yourself objectively, are these the numbers of a “loser” or someone who is unelectable? Don’t fall for this trick. It’s the oldest trick in the book.
technopeasant on July 26, 2010 at 7:25 PM
Amen. Enough with these pathetic “she shouldn’t run” cries from supporters of other candidates. And most of these clowns won’t even admit who they support. Why? Afraid that we might critisize them? Then perhaps their “candidate” doesn’t have the balls to face Obama in the first place.
Let the GOP Primary voters decide. I welcome anyone to join in the upcoming primary battle. I would never tell a candidate not to run. The more the merrier. And may the best woman win.
Norwegian on July 26, 2010 at 7:28 PM
The Nutroots rank-and-file are so in their tank that they actually believe it. This is unsurprising to me.
All of the Nutroots’ anger is directed at Palin and they think it would be glorious to make her “BUUUUUSH~!” in 2012. But just like in 2004, “Bush” would win. This is why they “want” her to run — because they are so in the tank they believe their own ridiculous anti-Palin rancor.
TPTB know better. They know they’ve drained the Palin Aquifer in 2008 and are hoping for an ~anyone else~ they can “Palinize” in 2012. They have tons of stuff to “teach” (report?) to Americans about varied “unknown” Republicans, and especially Romney.
Conversely, people will have had 3-4 years to reflect on the Palin meme-du-jours by a 2012 run and acknowledge that something was rotten in the State of
DenmarkDC, and what happened in 2008 to the Republican ticket (much less old Hillary wounds).lansing quaker on July 26, 2010 at 7:31 PM
But are they putting their money with their mouths are?
CWforFreedom on July 26, 2010 at 7:31 PM
technopeasant on July 26, 2010 at 7:25 PM
Love the way you think!
txmomof6 on July 26, 2010 at 7:31 PM
Two things:
1.
I don’t think it is a head fake, I think these idiots honestly believe all the spin they have been eating the last two years. Maybe some in the Democrat machine are smarter, but these guys are the nutroots lunatics. True believers.
2.
Please, don’t insult drunken sailors.
They are serving America in the world’s greatest Navy, and at least it is their own money they are spending.
Brian1972 on July 26, 2010 at 7:34 PM
Sarah…
… Don’t believe them. You’re still my girl!
Seven Percent Solution on July 26, 2010 at 7:39 PM
I believe she did win. The popular vote, anyway, it you take away all the thuggery and vote-stealing and outrageous complicity in the sexist MSM. After hearing from some Arkansas Travelers the sort of shenanigans that were going on during the primary, and then seeing it corroborated in that “We Will Not Be Silenced” film, and of course witnessing for myself the obscene bias in the media and their attempts to browbeat her into conceding the race, I’m fairly certain she was the presumptive nominee.
NoLeftTurn on July 26, 2010 at 7:44 PM
Translation: He’ll cave but “look smart” while caving. Oh and safely dull as dish water so Barack, even will his flaws will be able to hold the interest of America with his staged – teleprompter-speeches.
Makes me chuckle.
Sharr on July 26, 2010 at 7:47 PM
I like both Allahpundit and lorien. Does that make me a moderate?
bitsy on July 26, 2010 at 7:49 PM
I don’t think it would have made much difference if Hillary had won.
She might have talked a little tougher on foreign policy, but everything would still be contingent on the UN approval, so nothing would get done anyway.
Domestically, she wouldn’t be much different than Obama has been policy wise.
National Health Care, stimulus, kissing up to unions, the whole nine yards.
Remember she is from Chicago, and was an Alinskyite also.
Brian1972 on July 26, 2010 at 7:49 PM
The reality is that regardless of who wins the GOP nomination in 2012, Obama and his goons on the left and in the MSM are going to throw everything they’ve got (including the kitchen sink) at their opponent in order to win Obama a second term. So who ever wins the GOP nomination has to be prepared for that and have thick enough skin to not only survive it but work through it and take the fight directly to Obama.
Hellrider on July 26, 2010 at 7:50 PM
I was thinking about taking that up, actually.
:D
bitsy on July 26, 2010 at 7:57 PM
It’s an establishment job, though, and Palin isn’t exactly the darling of the establishment. She would drive the whole party right which is liable to terrify this white-shoe types even more than running for president. I don’t know if they would want her there. Also, if she’s polarizing as a candidate, she’d be polarizing as RNC chair as well. She’s a huge personality and, while RNC chair is not a coffee-making job, it is a somewhat behind-the-scenes sort of thing. We hear from Dean and Steele occasionally, but neither one of them is such a huge personality that they divert media attention away from the candidates. Inevitably, Palin would do that.
NoLeftTurn on July 26, 2010 at 7:59 PM
And the only person who has been standing up to Obama, the media, and changing/re-framing debates (“Death Panels” “Mama Grizzlies”) is…?
Why don’t we play a game of hangman for the answer? I’ll even fill in the vowels~!
_A_A_
_A_I_
lansing quaker on July 26, 2010 at 8:00 PM
Well, since I care so much about what they think I certainly wouldn’t want to disappoint them.
ncborn on July 26, 2010 at 8:01 PM
That would be the case if any GOP candidate ran as an Independent.
NoLeftTurn on July 26, 2010 at 8:02 PM
The Netroots remind of the string of golfers over the last 13 years who had to play a round of golf with Tiger Woods during the last round of a tournament and boasting to golf scribes and TV on course commentators, “There would be no one I’d rather be playing with. He’ll bring out the best in me.”
Sure, sure. And Tiger shoots 68 and they shoot 75.
technopeasant on July 26, 2010 at 8:08 PM
Not really. Not at all.
How many people here actually ARE independents?
Cause I am (though I obviously lean conservative on a great many issues, otherwise I wouldn’t read this site). And I think that the Palin fans here are always far, FAR too dismissive of this notion that independents won’t vote for her. You seem to think that they haven’t made up their minds, really, that they can be persuaded to her side.
Well, yeah, some of them can. But really, not enough.
I’ve discussed this subject a lot with moderates and independents, and her reputation among them is, for the most part, not repairable. Ace over at the Ace of Spades blog has written some really good pieces before about how there’s a huge section of the voting public that are independents because they just don’t care enough about politics to really come down hard one way or another, and these people, who are the swing voters who really decide elections, don’t pay attention that closely to the issues. They don’t CARE about Palin’s policies. They probably never will.
Because I don’t think you-all realize how damaging that whole Tina Fey crap from two years ago has stuck in the minds of these independent voters. THAT is how they view her: not as a serious politician, but as a joke. As the butt of a late-night show punchline.
And at the end of the day, maybe she’ll win some of them over, but for most of them, MOST of them – that’s how she’s going to remain. No matter how many good speeches she gives. They don’t take her seriously. Which is why lefties ARE hoping that Palin is the nominee, because they did a damn fine job of destroying her reputation these past couple years, and there aren’t enough hearts and minds willing to change their opinion of her from that.
Vyce on July 26, 2010 at 8:10 PM
If Palin runs, I will vote for her until she’s no longer on the ballot. I know that makes the RNC’s collective head explode and it makes you margin betters nuts. See your problem is that you watch too much of the journolist media that we all despise. You do it so we don’t have to, and we appreciate it, but it damages you. For some, they’ll need to be replaced in a few years. For others, they are already starting to smell.
Immolate on July 26, 2010 at 8:11 PM
I don’t think Hillary would have made much difference either, but my intention was to dispute the assertion that she was so polarizing that she couldn’t even earn the nomination. I believe she did, and I believe it’s well-within Palin’s grasp to do the same.
NoLeftTurn on July 26, 2010 at 8:19 PM
Off topic: I hope that Ross Douthat piece on “The Right and Climate Change” is Quote of the Day. Its got one of the dumbest lines in it ever: “But the evidence that carbon emissions are altering the planet’s ecology is too convincing to ignore.”
Umm excuse me NO, if anything the inverse is true. And what evidence does exist is forever tainted thanks to the hoaxers pushing the fraud.
Back to your regular Palin thread…
Sharr on July 26, 2010 at 8:20 PM
Vyce on July 26, 2010 at 8:10 PM
PPP July poll Palin vs Obama among INDEPENDENT voters:
47/42
Recent Gallup poll of Palin favorables/unfavorables among independents (courtesy of Greg Sargent at the PLUM)
44/44
Recent Obama’s job approval/disapproval with Independents with Quinnpiac:
38/52
Assessment of Obama’s handling of the economy by Independent voters by Quinnpiac:
34/61
It is not Palin who is having trouble with Independent voters but the Messiah.
technopeasant on July 26, 2010 at 8:20 PM
Hmmm lets see…choice between Obama the socialist who hates America and someone who is the butt of late night comedy jokes (like Ronald Reagan) but no doubt loves this country. No Contest.
txmomof6 on July 26, 2010 at 8:26 PM
You’re right.
They’ll take Obama.
You’re making two mistakes. One, you’re assuming that these people will view Obama the same way YOU do, as a socialist who hates America (the whole premise is that these people are not partisan enough to frame such an opinion).
And two, there are other factors to consider, namely experience. Believe it or not, four years of even doing a bad job in office is more impressive to them than Palin, who quit before her first term as governor was even up.
Vyce on July 26, 2010 at 8:37 PM
Well then a nation of idiots will get the government it deserves, and everyone else gets to go along for the ride.
I don’t see any way to make them smarter than they are.
sharrukin on July 26, 2010 at 8:40 PM
Vyce, here’s why you’re wrong.
People don’t vote based on what happened in the last election. They vote on the price of hogs in St. Louis. Harry Truman figured that out. The next election will be a referendum on Obama, whether the D’s like it or not. If the economy is still in the crapper, and unemployment is still north of 9%, then Obama is toast.
Downfall Hitler will be able to beat Obama. That is why you are now hearing rumblings out of Hillaryland.
Palin will be able to beat him if she runs the way she did in Alaska in 2006, as a center-right conservative Reformer.
That’s exactly what Reagan did in 1980. People said Reagan couldn’t do it, either.
Political obsessives always assume that people like Tina Fey have more impact than they actually do. But they do not. People will not willingly vote for more economic pain if someone like Palin comes along and makes a persuasive case for economic relief.
I’ve read Ace’s stuff. It simply doesn’t coincide with what has happened historically in American elections.
If the economy is on the mend, Obama wins. If it is stagnant or on the decline, Obama gets tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail. I don’t care if we run Josef Mengele, that’s what happens.
Period.
That’s how Palin wins. And those Independents who you spoke to who soured on Palin after they watched Tina Fey moke her will be the first to run out and vote for Palin.
victor82 on July 26, 2010 at 8:42 PM
Remember silly people (you know who you are Allah …. trolls)
The left was begging to run against Renaldus Magnus too.
Remind me how that worked out again.
gary4205 on July 26, 2010 at 8:44 PM
One way to really mess with these people’s minds is to make sure Herman Cain is somewhere on the ballot as well, as in either Cain/Palin 2012 or Palin/Cain 2012. That would really make their heads explode.
theotherone on July 26, 2010 at 8:49 PM
In other words they want the candidate they can get away with lying the most about.
I’m not suprised.
aikidoka on July 26, 2010 at 8:54 PM
I say to the NUTTYROOTS people……
…..you want it you lying jackals?
…..BRING IT!!!!
PappyD61 on July 26, 2010 at 8:54 PM
I am married to someone who rolls his eyes at the mention of Palin because she “quit”, however he would crawl over broken glass to vote for her over Obama and what that lying Chicago thug is doing to our country. The independent voter was fooled once by Obama, and shame on Obama, but if he is fooled again, then shame on the independent voter. Not gonna happen. Americans have a survival instinct that the Democrats cannot overcome if everything is out in the open.
txmomof6 on July 26, 2010 at 8:59 PM
The Dems may think they’re Br’er Rabbit, but they’re more like Daffy “Duck Season” Duck.
Palin resonates and strike a nerve.
If she can balance that she has a chance.
profitsbeard on July 26, 2010 at 9:04 PM
My best friend is an unaffiliated voter and she feels the same way as your husband about Palin. She doesn’t think she’s electable, but if she were on the ballot vs. Obama, it would be a no-brainer. My brother, an Independent, has such blind, raging hatred for Obama that I believe even he would set his media-fueled disdain for Palin aside in order to get Obama out of office.
Wait and see what happens, folks. The polls are likely to shift radically once the primary is over.
NoLeftTurn on July 26, 2010 at 9:05 PM
BTW, anyone notice that all the kids are wearing 80′s clothes and listening to 80′s music all over again? Viva la Reagan revolucion!
bitsy on July 26, 2010 at 9:07 PM
Mama Grizzlies love Netroots. They taste like salmon. Mmmmmmm. Salmon.
bitsy on July 26, 2010 at 9:11 PM
Bring it on liberal cowards.
lavell12 on July 26, 2010 at 9:16 PM
bitsy
lol
txmomof6 on July 26, 2010 at 9:17 PM
my father who once voted for Jesse Jackson for POTUS is saying he would vote for Palin over Obama. Obama is losing everyone.
lavell12 on July 26, 2010 at 9:18 PM
“Netroots Nation straw poll: Lefties overwhelmingly want to face Palin in 2012″
Oh I don’t think so. Can you say “Reverse Psychology?
GFW on July 26, 2010 at 9:20 PM
I actually think this is a phenomenon unique to New England. They have the worst opinion of Sarah because they’re snobs, not to put too fine a point on it. Since the MSM mostly lives in New England and so do most of their friends, they think the whole country will reject Palin for being too gauche. They will be very, very wrong. The GOP path to victory does not pass through Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island or New York.
alwaysfiredup on July 26, 2010 at 9:20 PM
I’m fairly sure that even people who are developmentally challenged have been able to figure out that NObama hates this country.
It’s obvious in everything he says.
He has this look on his face when he talks to the nation like he smells a bad fart.
Oh, yeah.
We will have had 4 years of the Obama “Experience.”
It’s already a year and a half too long now.
The pretty “quitter” lady who loves God, America, our military and Americans is going to be looking real good.
Jenfidel on July 26, 2010 at 9:22 PM
Palin is Obama’s secret weapon for 2012. She is the only candidate with high enough negatives to cause the independents to hold their nose and pull the lever for obama. She is radioactive. Nominate her and the Left gets their dreams fulfilled.
keep the change on July 26, 2010 at 9:25 PM
Virgins get excited about such things…
mjbrooks3 on July 26, 2010 at 9:32 PM
Are you kidding?
Right now, I’d vote for Lindsay Lohan over Obama.
Sarah offers much more.
Those high “negatives” won’t hold up forever–you can’t help loving Sarah once you listen to what she has to say.
Even the Journolist traitors said that she was “golden.”
Jenfidel on July 26, 2010 at 9:34 PM
Guess the Mayan calendar will end sooner than they think ;) I cannot believe-wait-I take that back-that after their skeleton’s out of the closet, they’re still asking to be bit.
As a good fisherwoman, lure’s set and they’re just about to get caught in her net. Awesome.
ProudPalinFan on July 26, 2010 at 9:39 PM
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