Is Arizona’s law working already?
posted at 2:55 pm on July 26, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
If the intent of the Arizona legislature was to get hundreds of thousands of people arrested for immigration violations, then their SB1070 bill for immigration enforcement may never quite deliver. If the intent was to encourage illegal immigrants to leave Arizona, they may claim success even before the first law-enforcement records check takes place. Reuters reports that many “undocumented workers” are preparing to leave:
Nicaraguan mother Lorena Aguilar hawks a television set and a few clothes on the baking sidewalk outside her west Phoenix apartment block.
A few paces up the street, her undocumented Mexican neighbor WendiVillasenor touts a kitchen table, some chairs and a few dishes as her family scrambles to get out of Arizona ahead of a looming crackdown on illegal immigrants.
“Everyone is selling up the little they have and leaving,” said Villasenor, 31, who is headed for Pennsylvania. “We have no alternative. They have us cornered.”
The two women are among scores of illegal immigrant families across Phoenix hauling the contents of their homes into the yard this weekend as they rush to sell up and get out before the state law takes effect on Thursday.
There are a couple of lessons to be drawn from this. First, it doesn’t take much to see some self-enforcement on immigration law. In this case, it doesn’t even require a single act of actual enforcement. All that is needed is government taking its law-enforcement responsibilities seriously, a lesson that we learned in another context when Rudy Giuliani became mayor of New York City.
Next, it reveals the disingenuous response from Washington DC. The federal government keeps saying that it lacks the resources to enforce the laws it has, but quite obviously, Arizona has much fewer resources than the Obama administration, and all they had to do was pass a law and make it stick. If the federal government took its job seriously rather than look to pander to Hispanic voters with its deliberate incompetence on immigration enforcement, the issue would mostly resolve itself with little effort — and the resources remaining would be more than sufficient to deal with those left.
Many of those packing in Arizona are heading back across the border, but some intend to move elsewhere in the US. Expect more states to start getting tough on immigration enforcement as Arizona’s success becomes more apparent.
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Oh, the horror!
Oil Can on July 26, 2010 at 2:59 PM
States have two choices:
1. adopt similar laws
2. roll out the welcome mat because they’re going somewhere.
Q: how is YOUR state and local budget doing?
artist on July 26, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Might I suggest some lovely sanctuary cities nearby?
DrAllecon on July 26, 2010 at 3:00 PM
I love it when a plan comes together…
RationalIcthus on July 26, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Great analysis Ed.
ted c on July 26, 2010 at 3:00 PM
The intent was to get rid of the illegal invasion – the second option is a much easier proposition.
Chip on July 26, 2010 at 3:01 PM
Wish Perry would come out as strong as AZ’s governor did…you know they’re headed here…
Ltlgeneral64 on July 26, 2010 at 3:01 PM
Time to go home and come back legally.
seven on July 26, 2010 at 3:02 PM
San Francisco, Los Angeles and others are really having some issues with their deep pockets and they are just looking to shower some love on some illegal aliens….
Now, Mexico, OTOH, would “send back them” if they were illegal.
jus sayin.
ted c on July 26, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Uhm. Yeah you have an alternative; go back to your home country of origin!
Oh wait, that makes me a racist!
Neo on July 26, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Given this and the fact that AZ is making the requirement to check immigration status when getting a job is anyone studying the effect on local school budgets and emergency room expenses? It will be interesting to see if this actually does help AZ’s economy.
nerdbert on July 26, 2010 at 3:03 PM
I wish this could have begun before Mr. Robert Krentz was murdered. I hope the DOJ are embarrassed in court.
kingsjester on July 26, 2010 at 3:05 PM
How little respect do these illegal immigrants have for our laws and our ability to enforce them– they not only give their full names to a reporter, but tell him where they’re planning to move next.
So much for ‘living in the shadows.’
LASue on July 26, 2010 at 3:05 PM
SELF-DEPORTATION
It’s whats for dinner.
pseudonominus on July 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM
illegals like all rats head for the hills
Self-deportation works everytime it’s tried.
tarpon on July 26, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Its a Mexican thing.
pseudonominus on July 26, 2010 at 3:07 PM
sanctuary city: come on down!
cmsinaz on July 26, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Don’t O and companies deserve some credit here? I mean, the law’s effect would have been much smaller without the Left’s fear-mongering.
year_of_the_dingo on July 26, 2010 at 3:09 PM
I thought I was reading the concession speech by Pelosi next January.
fossten on July 26, 2010 at 3:10 PM
Like what part of Illegal immigrant don’t they understand, either in Mexico or Washington, D.C.?
georgeofthedesert on July 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM
With violence increasing in northern Mexico, why risk going back? I bet they’ll be migrating to other states. I wonder whether the roads leading out of AZ to other states will look like something out of The Grapes of Wrath.
BuckeyeSam on July 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM
My corrupt Governor, Rick Perry, needs all the votes he can manufacture, so we will be choosing door #2 Monty!
paulsur on July 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM
For every 1 that leaves, 2 come across the border or overstay their visa. Attrition is most effective with a secured border, visa tracking and employment status checks. Just revisiting the obvious.
midlander on July 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM
apparently there is going to be a big protest on the 29th, protesters are asked not to bring IDs and do other non-violent acts of civil disobedience….we shall see…
cmsinaz on July 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM
Ed, you don’t understand. The law should only be scaring away people who plan on getting arrested. The regular, otherwise law abiding illegal aliens are being scared off by liberal rhetoric that they will be rounded up at night at gunpoint as if they were a Cuban boy visiting their father.
pedestrian on July 26, 2010 at 3:15 PM
The other 49 states, are you watching? Hello?
Oil Can on July 26, 2010 at 3:15 PM
Surely, there are jobs lost and votes lost there, eh Dems?
ted c on July 26, 2010 at 3:17 PM
Proof positive that laws written and meant to be enforced can influence behavior. Imagine that.
ted c on July 26, 2010 at 3:17 PM
Something to think about.
Approximately 5 million on waiting list to legally immigrate to the US and approximately 226,000 allowed annually.
Estimated number of people residing in the United States in violation of immigration regulations, 2000 census data by state. This number is assumed/estimated to grow by approximately 500,000 each year.
Skandia Recluse on July 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM
That Reuters article by Tim Gaynor kept using the phrase “sell up” instead of “sell off”. Weird wording.
Also, he and the illegal alien woman he spoke to fail to note that the lack of yard sale response is due to the economy, of which the migrating illegal aliens are only a part.
maverick muse on July 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM
That is a very good point.
conservnut on July 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM
deterrence. It’s a GOP thing.
hawksruleva on July 26, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Come on up to Minnesota, the libs up here would love to open their (actually MY) wallets a little wider to take care of those poor downtrodden illegals.
Bishop on July 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM
There’s Just No Way that we could ever ship millions of illegals out of the country.
But, amazingly, with some talk about a strict immigration law, illegals are shipping themselves out.
Turns out that trying produces better results than not trying.
hawksruleva on July 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM
A law that does what it is intended to do without taking away anyone’s rights! Does.Not.Compute. Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate!
/off administration Dalek
29Victor on July 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Hooda thunk?
29Victor on July 26, 2010 at 3:22 PM
The other
4957 states, are you watching? Hello?Oil Can on July 26, 2010 at 3:15 PM
You’re missing a few. /Captain Kickass
txag92 on July 26, 2010 at 3:22 PM
I noticed one person said they were going to be moving to PA.
I no longer live in PA, but I used to live in that idiot Kanjorski’s district. Lou Barletta is one of my heros–he’s the former mayor of Hazleton who tried to make it illegal for landlords to rent to illegals within the city.
I think Barletta lost to Kanjorski last time because of the Dem run of the table last election. I hope he can swing it this time–PA’s a swing state and his election would send a huge message.
Of all the upcoming congressional races, this one is near and dear to me. I bought balloons and a cake when Patches Kennedy announced his resignation–this now-Rhode-Islander wants to party big-time when Barletta sends Kanjorski packing.
Niere on July 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Why don’t the illegals just combine all of their stuff in one place and call it a FLEE Market…???
PatriotRider on July 26, 2010 at 3:25 PM
Given the MSM rhetoric of illegal aliens “fleeing” Arizona before the law takes effect leaves doubting Thomas wondering if it is really happening, or just stories to sell for sympathy.
Who else saw Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s invitation for illegal aliens to the tent prison? Bologna sandwiches, water and a cot.
The border MUST be secured. Otherwise, the persistent expense is squandered with the revolving door state policy given the federal policy to release.
maverick muse on July 26, 2010 at 3:25 PM
So, they self-deport, for this and economic reasons, Obama claims that he’s tougher on illegals and that it’s all GWB’s fault, depending what he needs, politically.
The child eats the cake and wants it too, liar that he is.
Schadenfreude on July 26, 2010 at 3:27 PM
good one :)
cmsinaz on July 26, 2010 at 3:27 PM
good, like rule of law
maverick muse on July 26, 2010 at 3:27 PM
They already have those lining all the dry creek beds from Mexico into Arizona. Impossible garbage.
maverick muse on July 26, 2010 at 3:28 PM
These self-deportations are preventing the race-biased and discriminatory behavior by the police that has already been characterized by the leftist MSM and White House. I’d say that’s a net plus and completely sustainable…..
ted c on July 26, 2010 at 3:29 PM
The next thing I want to see is whether the undue burden on local hospitals and health facilities is eased as a result of these “Draconian measures”… Dun Dun DUUUUUUUH!
princetrumpet on July 26, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Amazing what the threat of just 1,200 additional border control agents can do…
right2bright on July 26, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Does Hawaii have an illegal problem? I guess moats work!
tim c on July 26, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Shocka…enforce the law and the problem gets solved. Who knew?
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And let’s be honest; the Left went berserk when AZ passed the law because they were scared it would actually work and even more voters would tell them to take their amnesty and stick it. If they really believed the law was akin to Nazis rousting people for their papers, the smart play would have been to let it go into effect and then parade the victims – we all know that Lefties LOVE them some children as human shields – in front of the cameras 24/7.
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The fact that instead they did everything they could to stop the law from going into effect speaks volumes about what they really thought would happen, which was something like this wonderful story of voluntary departures with no heavy handed police tactics or scenes of swollen jails and broken families. The ultimate lefty buzzkill…
rcpjr on July 26, 2010 at 3:31 PM
Great point, I also hear that ice cream sales on pedestrian malls are wayyy down in Tucson in the wake of this issue.//
ted c on July 26, 2010 at 3:31 PM
FTFY, amigo.
ted c on July 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM
What a foolish, corny, mean spirited post…as I laughed out loud.
right2bright on July 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Yes, you do. Go home, organize, teach others what freedom is and toss out the bums that make your country the cesspool of the planet. Now that you know what is possible to achieve, go do it.
We did. Over 200 hundred years ago.
BobMbx on July 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Good news, good news indeed.
But there is a larger point to take a lesson from, the states need to start proactively asserting on a variety of issues, all of them, and now!
Let us call it the double edged sword of the Cloward/Piven strategy. The states need to deluge the Federal courts with suits on multiple issues where the Feds have overstepped their “enuerated powers”, and it needs to come from all sides, all at once. Overwhelm the system.
The multitude of cases where constitutional issues are brought to the forefront is how we steal back the narrative from the Progressives who constantly try to deflect the national conversation from the intellectual discourse from self governence to emotional issues of fairness & social justice. They appeal to the heartstrings of America with the plight of broken families of illegals and their rights. They do these without addressing the self evident facts that illegals have no rights except those granted them in their country of origin. Their rights are their’s, our rights are our’s, we pay taxes for them and they do not.
This is also whats behind the Progressive’s obsession with race, it is a catch-all they can, and do, employ on mmost every front. Right along side the canard of “it’s for the children”, it deflects from the issues, whatever they may be at the time, of limited government and all its attendant benefits for individual prospreity and freedom which all can thrive under, and instead expound upon the need of government expansion to provide programs to protect the victim de jour from the ravages of liberty. It need not be said that per usual, the program usually only enhances said plight, or creates yet another. Which of course calls for yet another program, and on and on and on, ad infinitum!
The national debate needs to be brought round to the soundness of thinking and wisdom of the founding documents, as Barack likes to say the policies that brought us here. You know the policies that made us the greatest, the most prosperous, the most Liberal (in the classical sense) nation on the planet.
Demaogues and tyrants appeal to emotin, intellectuals and free-men (& women) appeal to the mind.
Archimedes on July 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Schadenfreude on July 26, 2010 at 3:27 PM
Actually, I wouldn’t doubt that IF Obama conducted any raids, he certainly would have already done more than GWBush did. CLINTON did a lot more than Bush who wouldn’t lift a finger to secure the border with Mexico. Remember that Bush (and Rick Perry) are all for open trade with no border transport inspections from Mexico through Canada. And Bush called the volunteer US citizens providing real-time communiques to Border Patrol ‘vigilantes”.
maverick muse on July 26, 2010 at 3:33 PM
The good news, more parking spaces at Home Depot….
right2bright on July 26, 2010 at 3:34 PM
This is exactly what my former next door neighbor did two years ago here in Georgia. They self deported back to Guatemala after our drought here and his lawn service went under. They started having yard sales and the next thing you know, poof they were gone. They left so fast they didn’t even lock the door behind them. So, I locked it for them. Then the bank came and took the house/mortgage over and three other homes followed.
moonsbreath on July 26, 2010 at 3:34 PM
Spread from the Pacific to the Gulf coast, that’s 1200 troops, not more Border Patrol agents. And of course, there are rules of engagement inhibiting the troops from actually engaging illegal aliens as they make entry.
Do recall that Clinton sent troops to the border, rather than hiring more Border Patrol officers. And there was the incident of the Mexican goat herder boy being shot dead by a guardsman (in New Mexico?) which of course scuttled the Clinton effort (much like his retreat from Somalia after pushing for action without providing proper support there).
maverick muse on July 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM
I more worried about seeing a doctor in the emergency room while, I’m lying on the floor bleeding.
Oil Can on July 26, 2010 at 3:40 PM
Obama hired Border Patrol agents. The federal government ad stated that applicants must be willing to attend the southern border at least “temporarily”. Whoever got hired got transferred to the Canadian border some time ago.
maverick muse on July 26, 2010 at 3:41 PM
Isn’t there some law that can send the ILLEGAL ALIEN, Pinnochio, the Dear Reader, in the White House packing?
dhunter on July 26, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Imagine a life where you can be seen by an emergency doctor, in an emergency…where you fill out a form in English…where you are not harassed as you pull out of Home Depot…whee you children won’t know four letter words in two languages…where they won’t learn gang signs…if you are hit by a car, the odds are that they will have insurance…a world long past…but hopefully will soon return.
right2bright on July 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM
While they should all return to Mexico if they are here illegally and try LEGAL immigration if they want to be in the US, in the alternative, I believe the city of Los Angeles needs to start opening their coffers to REALLY support the illegal immigrants they claim to support.
And no whining about the California economy. Put your lack of money where you big liberal mouths are.
ace tomato on July 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM
Damned typos and omissions, i get so caught up in the passions (yes, emotional I know, the irony does not escape me!) of my beleif’s, that my wholly inadaquate typing skills are quickly overwhelmed. I can only hope the logic of my position is not undermined by my clerical limitations.
Archimedes on July 26, 2010 at 3:49 PM
“Adios!”
Really? Nobody posted that yet?!?
RedNewEnglander on July 26, 2010 at 3:51 PM
I hereby declare this a Crowning Moment of Awesome.
The Lone Platypus on July 26, 2010 at 3:52 PM
Or a world that I can work at any job site and not have to learn another language.
Oil Can on July 26, 2010 at 3:53 PM
Brilliant, give it 6 months and they will say it is a flop because they have not arrested anyone. Just like they keep saying that crime has dropped in AZ so it proves things are OK. What is a “good” murder rate by illegals?
Sort of like a parent who means what they say.
barnone on July 26, 2010 at 3:55 PM
Be gone.
saiga on July 26, 2010 at 4:00 PM
Im
Day-dream believer…..
BobMbx on July 26, 2010 at 4:02 PM
Oh yeah. It’s called the Law of Un-intended Consequences. Everything, and I mean everything this dude has involved himself with has done nothing but cause harm to the US.
Just wondering…did the WH file an Environmental Impact Statement before putting in the garden or the basketball goal? Or is that just something the “little people” have to do?
Wouldn’t it have been great if they had found Hoffa buried there?
BobMbx on July 26, 2010 at 4:07 PM
There is no doubt that the “south of the border” culture is inferior to the culture north of the border. I belive most people that are charged as racists are really culturalists. I think a lot has to do with the lack of responsibility in the Spanish language, and learning English is very important.
In Spanish you can’t say “I dropped the glass”; you say “the glass slipped out of my hand”. You can’t say”I missed the plane”, you say “the plane left without me”. This deep rooted theme of the Spanish language cascades into personal responsibility problems that clash with the American culture.
saiga on July 26, 2010 at 4:09 PM
Si!
cmsinaz on July 26, 2010 at 4:11 PM
This puts lie to the claim that “we can’t deport 20 million illegals”. Once you start enforcing existing laws and keep new illegals from entering, the 20 million will be drastically reduced. Most will self-deport because they will be unable to find work and/or handouts.
texabama on July 26, 2010 at 4:12 PM
Imagine. All of this activity and angst over the prospect of laws actually being enforced.
Now who’s Ojesus going to apologize to over this fine mess?
hillbillyjim on July 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM
this is what ABC is touting via NB
cmsinaz on July 26, 2010 at 4:17 PM
The part that really gets me on this is that the Census counts illegals as part of its population count. So when that women said she was running to PA, I really wish they had run BEFORE the census. At least that way, PA would have had a chance at the extra rep in congress.
OBQuiet on July 26, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Can’t help but admire the brazen arrogance in that statement – the criminal alien Villasenor is fleeing Arizona for the safety of Pennsylvania.
We are such chumps.
As to the comments that we can’t expell 12 million illegals, hell yes, we can. We walked on the moon, we can by heaven make them wade the Rio Grande.
Cricket624 on July 26, 2010 at 4:21 PM
The real reason why cities & states boycotted AZ….they knew ahead of time that illegals would flee AZ to other cities and states.
tommer74 on July 26, 2010 at 4:22 PM
BTW, did the Reuters reporter ask for their Papers?
How did they know they were illegals? Did they look “Mexican”?
Were they RACIAL PROFILING?
barnone on July 26, 2010 at 4:30 PM
Not true in the technical sense. You can say “I dropped the glass,” but in Mexico they don’t. Speaking in the first person like that is seen as something that the arrogant gringos do.
gryphon202 on July 26, 2010 at 4:32 PM
And, depending on who you are saying that to, a birther?
CC
CapedConservative on July 26, 2010 at 4:34 PM
That’s a loser mentality if ever there was one.
Akzed on July 26, 2010 at 4:36 PM
Looks to me like the illegals are listening to the lefty media that portray this using the liberal BS like “getting ice cream with your kid when…” The reality is, very little changes in Arizona when this law goes into effect.
I wonder if the liberals feel any sense of guilt for uprooting the lives of these illegals?
slickwillie2001 on July 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM
What would happen if the Government took the same attitude of ‘hands off, see no evil’ as far as Mexican beer and Tequila were concerned? When it comes across the border, don’t look. Don’t count it, don’t look for it, and don’t bother to see if any taxes are owed.
Oh, wait, , ,
Wander on July 26, 2010 at 4:46 PM
Hey Rollie, thats what you get for renting to illegal immigrants. Dumbass. Poor Rollie. Gonna have to tear down the slum he’s been renting out. Darn.
BobMbx on July 26, 2010 at 4:46 PM
Great. Just what we need up here, more illegal immigrants. They’re already forming gangs in rural and suburban areas of PA, terrorizing the rest of us.
Good thing I have a carry permit.
UltimateBob on July 26, 2010 at 4:50 PM
We see the law working. The Demrats see voters leaving!
VIVA ARIZONA!
Dump McCain!
dhunter on July 26, 2010 at 4:51 PM
The real solution:
1. Set up a guest worker program with employment offices outside the US in places that make sense.
2. Make it illegal to rent housing to illegal aliens. The penalty: You have to refund all their rent. (If the land lord exercised due diligence they are held harmless.)
3. Offer a large reward to anyone, including illegal aliens for turning in employers who employ illegal aliens. The employer would have to pay a fine large enough to cover expenses. (Also held harmless if they exercised due diligence.)
4. Simply explain that the children of illegal aliens, and children of guest workers born here, are not citizens.
5. Guest workers must return to their home country in 3 to 5 years. They can take their children with them if and only if they renounce the child’s citizenship. Otherwise the child stays in the states and is put up for adoption.
The Rock on July 26, 2010 at 4:55 PM
A couple of years ago the feds started training a few officers to help enforce immigration law for communities which volunteered to join the feds’ program. Illegals exited those communitees at that time.
burt on July 26, 2010 at 5:00 PM
What you call “arrogant gringo” speak is simply the difference between American culture that values invididuality over the collective values we see in other cultures. The collective is also associated with socialism and communism. You don’t fail or succeed individually in a collective just like you don’t personally miss the plane or drop a glass. It is bad luck or external forces at fault (External locus of control). The previous poster was correct that the language betrays a culture alien to American rugged individualism (internal focus of control). It doesn’t belong here and I and say accept our culture or LEAVE! America isn’t here to become a Latin American S***hole at your pleasure. GO BACK AND FIX YOUR UNSUCCESSFUL COUNTRY DON’T BRING MISERY HERE!
Conan on July 26, 2010 at 5:00 PM
I like what you did there!
jackal40 on July 26, 2010 at 5:05 PM
I bet you could ram-rod that bill through the House in about 5 minutes.
BobMbx on July 26, 2010 at 5:08 PM
I don’t believe a thing that Reuters publishes…I would have to see it to believe it.
d1carter on July 26, 2010 at 5:12 PM
Citizenship Question?
Suppose a illegal alien moves back to Mexico and takes their legal kids (US citizenship) born in the US back to Mexico. And those kids grow up, stay in Mexico have more kides. Are those kids (generation 3) also US citizens? Because over many generations most of Mexico and come here.
Oil Can on July 26, 2010 at 5:16 PM
Now the administration is going to claim that this law unfairly burdens other states by forcing illegal immigrants to move there.
JamesB on July 26, 2010 at 5:30 PM
A partial list of California “sanctuary cities”. Most are just a short drive from Arizona. As the song says, “Open up your Golden Gate”.
Bell Gardens, CA
City of Industry, CA
City of Commerce, CA
Cypress, CA
Davis CA
Downey, CA
Fresno, CA
Lakewood, CA
Los Angeles, CA
Long Beach, CA
Lynwood, CA
Maywood, CA
Montebello, CA
National City, CA
Norwalk, CA
Oakland, CA
Paramount, CA
Pico Rivera, CA
Richmond, CA
South Gate, CA
San Bernardino, Ca.
San Diego, CA
Santa Cruz, CA
San Francisco, CA
San Jose, CA
Santa Maria, CA
Sonoma County, CA
Vernon, CA
Watsonville, CA
Wilmington, CA
Mason on July 26, 2010 at 5:31 PM
Yep, they are coming to Cali. The 10 is jam-packed with late model ford pickups and toyota corollas…..
jbh45 on July 26, 2010 at 5:33 PM
Ed,
A mostly good analysis, except for your statement that the lack of enforcement is the federal government pandering to hispanic voters. That’s half of the problem – Democratic and Rino republicans who want hispanic votes. The other reason for the government’s lack of response is allegedly conservative republicans who will not do anything on immigrations either because they are beholden to businesses who want cheap labor.
This is an issue that cuts across party lines. Rank and file republicans and democrats oppose illegal immigration by huge numbers while their elected representatives put self-interest over their constituents and country. Bush was just as bad as Obama on enforcement, and “conservative” republicans need to own up to it in order to get credibility on the issue.
Phildorex on July 26, 2010 at 5:38 PM
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