The Independent Question

posted at 1:46 pm on July 23, 2010 by Doctor Zero

We’re getting close to a major congressional election, and the early maneuvers of the 2012 presidential race are under way.  That means it’s time to worry about independent voters again.

Independents are the battleground where national elections are fought.  The winning formula involves some combination of motivating the party base, suppressing the other party’s base, and gaining support from independent voters.  The tactics necessary to succeed at any one of these things makes the others more difficult.  Appeal to the “middle” too much and your base grows restless, and eventually disgusted enough to stay home on Election Day.  Play to your base and you make independents nervous, along with firing up the other side’s core supporters.

Insufficient appeal to independent voters is often cited as the fatal flaw in candidates beloved by the conservative base.  (It never seems to be a problem for liberal candidates from the Democrat Party, who are never described in the media as “extremists” who “frighten away moderates.”)  No brand of conventional wisdom is received as eagerly as the diagnosis of conservative extremism.

The great challenge for conservatives, when appealing to independent voters in the next few elections, is that moderate measures cannot effectively combat extremism.  How can we respond to the massive leftward swing of the past few years without proposing some “extreme” courses of action?  The statist Obama economy is a massive dead weight crushing the American chest.  It cannot be removed with gentle pressure.

Successful appeals to independent voters must begin with the understanding that, contrary to common media portrayals, they’re not all the same.  The composition of the independent voter pool changes over time – it’s not the same today as it was in 2008.

A fair number of “independents” are better described as ignorant. They don’t follow the issues closely.  They describe themselves as moderate or independent because they think it makes them sound intelligent and open-minded.  Those who really would consider voting for either party’s candidate tend to make up their minds late in the election cycle.

This assessment might sound dismissive, but I have no contempt for these people.  In a free country, they shouldn’t have to become experts on a hundred complex topics to cast an informed vote.  A just and disciplined Republic does not punish those who express no great interest in charting its course.  No one should have to worry that a poorly researched vote will lead to the seizure of his property or business.

Conservatives will always have trouble appealing to the disengaged segment of the independent population, because we won’t be able to match the Left’s control over popular culture for the foreseeable future… and ignorant voters are heavily swayed by the opinions of television journalists and entertainers.  They’re most likely to hear messages pumped through the sub-woofers of mass media, and they view agreement with the pop-culture hive as the best way to seem informed with minimal effort.

If these people can be reached at all, it’s usually through a combination of wit and charisma.  This is the paradox of Sarah Palin’s relationship with casual independents: they respond to lazy cultural slander like the Tina Fey caricature, so they give her poor marks in opinion polls… but she’s also one of the few prominent conservatives with a decent chance of charming them.

Some independents are passive. They don’t want to get sucked into any great crusades.  They tend to vote for the candidate who seems most sensible and reliable.  They fled John Kerry in droves when the “reporting for duty” glow of the 2004 Democratic convention faded, and he started looking downright creepy.  An intelligent, committed conservative candidate should be able to do well with these people in 2012, by pointing out that the carnivorous government created by the Democrats will not leave them alone. The only choices at this point are active resistance, or submission.  Independent voters in search of stability should be reminded there’s no sense in maintaining a straight and true course that leads right off the edge of a cliff.

There is danger in pursuing the votes of these people too aggressively.  They become alarmed at the prospect of significant changes to the status quo… and the status quo is killing us.  If Obama hadn’t come along, it would have ruined us in twenty years, instead of ten.  If the Republicans go frumming off on a doomed quest to land this relatively small portion of the electorate, they risk alienating their base… and then losing the passive vote to a Democrat establishment that will always be ready to promise them more, at absolutely no cost, of course.

On the other hand, the passive vote is becoming profoundly disenchanted with the Democrats, precisely because they are beginning to pay a painful cost for those wonderful benefits and entitlements.  They’re willing to respect the moral imperative of the welfare state when they believe faceless rich people will pick up the tab.  Double-digit unemployment, frightening economic news, and the looming shadow of massive middle-class tax hikes make the embrace of the maternal State feel suffocating.  Practical arguments are most effective with them.  The aura of incompetence congealing around the Obama Administration worries them.  They might not know much about the Constitution, but they’d really like to know why their retirement plans are crumbling to dust.

At the moment, I think the largest component of the independent electorate consists of confused moderates.  These are people who sincerely wish to remain open to all points of view… entertaining both appeals to liberty, and the idea that only a powerful government can address certain issues.  The party in power naturally tends to bleed voters into this group, particularly when things are not going well.  That means the current independent pool includes a good number of folks who normally lean Democrat, and have no strong philosophical objection to immense, maternal government, but are uneasy about the evidence of its failure littering the evening news.  They know something is wrong, and they’re grudgingly prepared to hear the other side’s explanation… but they recoil from angry partisanship.  They want to hear solutions, not insults, and explanations instead of accusations.

This makes appealing to them in 2012 difficult, because what has been happening to this country makes a lot of us angry.  It’s hard not to be outraged by outrages.

I think the key is found through explanation, as mentioned above.  Big Government is sold to moderates as a series of solutions, when in fact it’s a regime of imperatives. These programs may be subject to some future modification, but it’s virtually impossible to eliminate them… without becoming precisely the type of fiery extremist moderates run away from.  In this way, “moderation” is made to serve the interests of aggressive government.  Each expansion of its power is sold as a reasonable solution to an intractable problem, only to evolve into a permanent feature of public life.  Once these programs calcify, their continued survival becomes the accepted “moderate” position forever.

The radical expansion of the State has left no room for thoughtful moderates.  If they wish to have any meaningful choices in the future at all, the reckless bloat of the Obama years must be forcefully cut away.  In a few years, there will be no “middle of the road” positions on socialized medicine – only meek compliance, or savage combat against a system that will fight to the death to protect itself.  There will be no room for polite questions about automatic tax increases to pay for the gold bricks piled on the government’s accelerator pedal.  The State will have increasingly less patience for any questions at all.

It will be the task of the next Republican presidential candidate to explain that, before anyone can honestly claim to be a “centrist,” this country has to journey quite a distance to the Right.  No one who truly desires to be independent can be a passive accomplice to a system that must eliminate theconcept of independence to survive.  It’s an explanation that must be delivered with a winning combination of humor, logic, and determination… plus a strong dose of optimism, because we can make that journey.

We should also embrace the importance of being honest with independent voters.  A mandate which lasts beyond the next election is needed.  Democrats often celebrate elections as great victories, because they know an activist President and willing Congress can easily nourish new growth from a hungry State.  Conservatives must understand that electoral victory is thebeginning of a great undertaking, not an end in itself.  Great challenges lie ahead, stretching across years to come, and we owe all Americans the respect of speaking clearly about them.

Let moderate voters understand that the Democrats have built a government which has no further use for them, except as dupes.  The Left claims the power to write their destiny, while the Right believes the future belongs to citizens, not the ruling class.  That shouldn’t be a tough choice for any sort of independent person to make.

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I suspect I’m now the quintensential Independent voter. I was a long-time Democrat. I’m definitely a Clinton admirer and don’t like the Dem party today, which to me, was taken over by Kennedy types in Congress. My basic opinion is that Obama isn’t evil. He’s a puppet, of Congress and of that arm of the Democrats. He was the “perfect storm.”

People really didn’t want Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. I get that, really. Obama spotted the opportunity and went for it. I get that, too.

He’s unprepared, and campaign staffs have a much smaller job than governing staffs. He’s incompetent on governing so far, but I’m honestly amazed it hasn’t been worse.

So I think I’m sort of a good Independent voice.

I wouldn’t support every teaparty candidate, for sure. I would support some, but I think politics is local mostly.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 1:54 PM

quintessential….whew, that’s better.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Well said, Doc. The ruling elite position will resonate with folks tired of bailout stacked on bailout. With the current position that throwing money is the ONLY solution, showing WHERE the money comes from (todays children) may help. The National debt is a ponzi as is Social Security. Todays debt is yesterdays expenditure much as current SS taxes pay yesterdays workers.

Jeff2161 on July 23, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Democrats have been robbing Peter to pay Paul for years, and if there are more Pauls than Peters, they win elections.

This election is going to be about jobs and money–it’s the economy, stupid! Republicans have to tell the Peters of this country that Democrats took trillions of their money for very few jobs with Porkulus, and jammed down their throats a huge expensive new mandate to fix a health care system that wasn’t really broken for most of them.

Most Independent voters want to get what they paid for. We need to tell them that they paid dearly for very little, and we want them to keep their money.

Steve Z on July 23, 2010 at 2:02 PM

Independents are not independent at all. They should change their name.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2010 at 2:03 PM

A fair number of “independents” are better described as ignorant.

You’ve just described all 6 or 7 of my “independent” friends–all of whom drank the stinkin’ kool-aid. I kick them in the a$$ every time I see them.

Gang-of-One on July 23, 2010 at 2:03 PM

If this current regime isn’t enough to convinse even the most ignorant of the independent voters to become engaged and educated into the politics of our nation nothing will.

fourdeucer on July 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM

I think if you want Independents to join your partisanship club, you’ll be disappointed.

They won’t, because it’s too much pretzel thinking, on both sides.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 2:06 PM

If this current regime isn’t enough to convinse even the most ignorant of the independent voters to become engaged and educated into the politics of our nation nothing will.

fourdeucer on July 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Then, better buckle up for disappointment.

Some hard-core people here are defending Breitbart. To me?

Indefensible excuse for “journalism.”

I’m sure I won’t budge an inch on that one. Neither on the other side, with the attacks on Palin.

So you’re never going to get me into either far camp.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 2:08 PM

But there are soft independents and hard independents. I presume that elections are won by persuading “soft” independents.

There are more of them.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 2:09 PM

Many of my conservative friends bolted from the Republican party and became independents. They are by no means moderate.

I don’t think there’s anything “extreme” about wanting to cut taxes, cut spending and scale back excessive regulation. Sounds like common sense to me.

John the Libertarian on July 23, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Conservatives will always have trouble appealing to the disengaged segment of the independent population, because we won’t be able to match the Left’s control over popular culture for the foreseeable future

That’s one reason. The other reason that conservatives don’t appeal to independents as well as liberals is because liberals promise them ‘free’ stuff — like ‘free’ healthcare and other ‘free’ government services.

What do conservatives offer? Self-reliance. Less government. Fewer services. Less — or no — ‘free’ stuff.

It’s tough to compete with ‘free.’ It’s even harder when your favorite Hollywood glam stars are telling you who to vote for.

Paul_in_NJ on July 23, 2010 at 2:12 PM

I guess I’m a Republican that hates the Republican party. Does that make sense? I won’t vote for any candidate that doesn’t understand that the USA is broke and needs to be fixed. That means less government and a friendlier environment for the private sector.

halfastro on July 23, 2010 at 2:13 PM

So you’re never going to get me into either far camp.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 2:08 PM

You are not the ignorant independent that either side is going to sway, I don’t mean that you are ignorant either, you always come down on one side or the other (usually the wrong side) so those who choose to be illinformed are still impacted negatively whether they elect to inform themselves or not. As far as being disapointed that comes with the territory.

fourdeucer on July 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM

“Independents” are the biggest buyer of the “Obama/Biden Bumper Sticker Removal Kit

Do you have yours yet?

faraway on July 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM

I suspect I’m now the quintensential Independent voter.
AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 1:54 PM

A fair number of “independents” are better described as ignorant.

Agreed

Inanemergencydial on July 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Unfortunately I suspect conservatives are not going to win.

Facing up to the financial and political disaster on the way requires thinking about what went wrong. Those who emote rather than think will always find the right to be entirely too mean, and all the cool people will be on the leftist side.

When the wheels come off the financial engine they will run to the safety that the leftists will offer. State programs even if cut back and poorly managed will be guaranteed government cheese.

Even Reagan couldn’t break through the media wall that has grown in the last 20 years and I don’t think Sarah Palin can either. That is if the GOP doesn’t hand the nomination to their ‘Prince Elect’ as they did last time.

sharrukin on July 23, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Paul_in_NJ on July 23, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. We will never ever win the “I want free stuff from the government” people. All we can do is hope they are too concerned with getting their gubmint handout on election day and don’t vote.

search4truth on July 23, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Great post. Couple of nits.

I have no contempt for these people. In a free country, they shouldn’t have to become experts on a hundred complex topics to cast an informed vote. A just and disciplined Republic does not punish those who express no great interest in charting its course. No one should have to worry that a poorly researched vote will lead to the seizure of his property or business.

I do have contempt for these people. As Jefferson said best:

“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”

. . . whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that, whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them right.”

It is incumbent on citizens to be informed. If you cannot be bothered to be remotely informed on the issues or the candidates you really have no business voting *cough* Alvin Greene *cough*

while the Right believes the future belongs to citizens, not the ruling class.

If that were really true, we would not be where we are now.

Firefly_76 on July 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM

I’m a registered Independent and I’m as Conservative as you come. I will never vote for a Democrat.Changed my registration because I didn’t care for the Republican party hierarchy.Confuses the heck out of both parties come voting time. I get literature and calls from both.

sandee on July 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM

John the Libertarian on July 23, 2010 at 2:12 PM

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Interesting. I relate to them, but from the other side.

I’m just not interested in partisanship at all anymore.

I’ve watched, and both sides are totally nuts to me. They make a mockery of ethics, faireness, etc.

I don’t like EITHER side. And I don’t even blame them, either. We all play a part.

My own thinking is to really figure out what will help all of us, and me, get back on track.

Sometimes, those answers are conservative. Sometimes, they are more liberal.

But as long as I keep my eye on what helps real people, to the best of my ability, I think that’s a fair deal as a single voter.

After all, that’s all I really am. One vote.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Here’s a valid “Independent” thought.

Fox needs to get rid of Meghan Kelley.

That woman is way out there.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Agreed

Inanemergencydial on July 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM

So? That’s precisely what KO and RM do nightly.

You better wake up and realize that Independents are fed up with both far left and far right thinking everyone who isn’t as partisan as they are is “stupid.”

You, like the far left, are guilty of demeaning voters. You, like te far left, will suffer the natural consquences of your arrogance.

We don’t like ANY of you.

You are BOTH obnoxious.

And both partisan sides need to be blasted out of politics.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Once, long ago, sometime between 1976 and 1980, I read an article by Ronald Reagan in which he gave his point of view on what might be done to restore the Republican party.

In it, he pointed out that most people identified themselves as “conservatives” so the party ought to “go where the ducks are” and become more conservative.

Now in that time, you might just be surprised how close media coverage of Reagan was to media coverage of Palin today–he was a simpleton and a semi-literate cowboy–and at the time, as I was transforming from McCovern liberal in ’68 to Reagan conservative in ’80, I remember kind of dismissing that advice as self serving.

But I don’t think it was. I think it was actually right on the money.

Reagan’s greatness was that he understood two things: He understood the country is basically conservative, but he also understood that a conservative sets himself–or herself–up for a fall if they ever let the media get a chance to portray them as mean, petty, or small.

Reagan was one of a kind and his like will never come again, but when someone comes on the scene who remembers those two simple things, then maybe we can roll back a little of the Obama tide.

Typhoon on July 23, 2010 at 2:30 PM

And both partisan sides need to be blasted out of politics.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Most modern moderates and Democrats wouldn’t vote for John F Kennedy much less Truman because they see him as too partisan and jingoistic.

You have no idea how far things have drifted. They will not last and you will be the one to pay the piper.

This has nothing to do with political parties. I despise the GOP, but you are a fool if you think their failure at the ballot box will somehow vindicate you.

sharrukin on July 23, 2010 at 2:34 PM

A lot of people will get a wake up call in late October when they receive their benefits enrollment forms for the coming year. The Republicans should really take advantage of the timing to educate the independent voters who are worried about their own bottom line.

RedRedRice on July 23, 2010 at 2:34 PM

There is no Conservative party. Conservatives have tied their political destiny to the Republicans; which in my mind, isn’t a perfect fit. Conservatives and Republicans are continuously at cross purposes and continuously feast on one another with equal famish. Democrats are no longer democrats; but have been taken over, by political force and otherwise by liberal progressives. Conservatism will save our nation, but not in my lifetime.

midlander on July 23, 2010 at 2:36 PM

We have all been wondering what this administration would do to thwart the upcoming midterm election…

Well….here is the likely answer

http://emergingcorruption.com/?p=87

We have work to do people!!

stacy on July 23, 2010 at 2:36 PM

There are two big issues here with the independent voters. 1. The what have you got for me today crowd will never vote for a Republican because the R will never promise what a lying Demorat will. 2. To woo the I’s R’s need to stick to the basics of jobs and the huge deficit. Stay away from any social issue and especially immigration. Social Security and Medicare are two more no-win areas. Obamacare is a wining topic as long as the R knows the true facts and figures concerning this obimination. The R’s will be called out on these issues by the journolists and need to come up with a benign answer. The Demorats do not need to worry about any of these issues because the journolists will never ask the a serious question ala Obama and his campaign. Moderates will listen to any who can articulate a position to help get the nation out from under the massive debt.

inspectorudy on July 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Get rid of Meghan Kelly? Are you serious?

sandee on July 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM

frumming off

Love it!
(Don’t like the rest of the article, though. Yet another “let’s psychoanalyze the voters!” article for the pile. You usually do better, doc!

joe_doufu on July 23, 2010 at 2:42 PM

sandee on July 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Don’t feed the troll!!

ladyingray on July 23, 2010 at 2:45 PM

I’m just not interested in partisanship at all anymore.
AnninCA on July 23, 2010

That partisanship offends you doesn’t make you reasonable, it makes you weak and incapable of committing to any idea other than “helping people”. What the hell is that? What does that mean? Faux-compassionate meaningless pap that might make you feel superior but accomplishes exactly nothing.

Extrafishy on July 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM

While independents make up far less of an electorate in off years than they do in mid-terms, because of their don’t care attitudes, many will not participate in this mid-term either. Those that are caring more, are those that are affected by the economy, and I think that works out well for the challenging party.

paulsur on July 23, 2010 at 2:54 PM

sandee on July 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM
Don’t feed the troll!!

ladyingray on July 23, 2010 at 2:45 PM

what does this kind of thing accomplish?

paulsur on July 23, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Doctor Zero, this effort is a departure from your usually good work. It is insulting and condescending to independent voters.

Independents are none of the above. You have really missed the mark. And done it without much grace.

eaglesdontflock on July 23, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Actually, any conservative running could ask the fair question of any reporter; ” Who did you vote for last time ? “

Jeff2161 on July 23, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Doctor Zero, this effort is a departure from your usually good work. It is insulting and condescending to independent voters.

Independents are none of the above. You have really missed the mark. And done it without much grace.

eaglesdontflock on July 23, 2010 at 2:59 PM

While it may not be indicative of all independents, it was certainly indicative of the indepedents that elected B.O.

paulsur on July 23, 2010 at 3:01 PM

We’re getting close to a major congressional election, and the early maneuvers of the 2012 presidential race are under way. That means it’s time to worry about independent voters again.

Why We Need A 3rd Party In 2012

I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news. There are no easy solutions. There are only painful, more painful, and really really painful solutions. Both mainstream corrupted political parties have had the chance to put the country back on a prudent fiscal path. They have both failed miserably. One party will spend the country into oblivion and the other country will try to democratize the world with their military machine. There are no fresh ideas from either party. There are the same old stale ideas and rhetoric.

I’ve been waiting for someone to distinguish themselves as a straightforward leader who will level with the American people and tell them the TRUTH. There is only one totally truthful politician in Washington DC. His name is Ron Paul. He is trapped in a Republican Party run by neo-con warmongers. Chris Christie, the governor of NJ, has the guts and demeanor to satisfy the requirements of a new leader, but the hacks who run the party will not allow him to become the face of the party. Paul Ryan, Congressman from Wisconsin, has the brains and ideas to help save the country. The party hacks will pretend to adopt his ideas to get elected in 2012 and then go back to the same old policies.

Both parties are captured by corporate lobbyists, the military industrial complex and Wall Street. Lobbyists spend $40 billion per year “convincing” politicians that their ideas should be implemented. Politicians DO NOT represent the people. They represent those who give them the most money. Radical earth shattering change is needed to save this country. Incremental steps won’t work. We need a leader wielding a sledgehammer…

The 545 People Responsible For All of America’s Woes

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don’t write the tax code. Congress does. You and I don’t set fiscal policy. Congress does. You and I don’t control monetary policy. The Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme Court justices – 545 human beings out of the 235 million – are directly, legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
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Don’t you see how the con game that is played on the people by the politicians? Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

Rae on July 23, 2010 at 3:06 PM

If the Republicans go frumming off on a doomed quest to land this relatively small portion of the electorate

Worth reading for this one word. I think we need to work hard to inform the uninformed portion of our electorate.

In addition to the categories that Doc describes, I think we should add the “pox on all their houses” independents. These are folks who, with good cause, believe that most if not all polititicans are slimy, greedy, power-hungry egomaniacs. They tend to vote for the least bad option. The Dems got a lot of those voters in the last couple elections, thanks to some help from the media. How will GOP candidates fight the smear campaigns this time around?

hawksruleva on July 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM

By and large independents are people who are afraid to make a decision, they vote the way they feel the majority will vote…although some will vote some strange way just to be different.
I have found them to be the least informed about issues. They want to argue, but their arguments are often disjointed since they don’t have any real foundation or belief.
They will switch sides in an instant, so any type of debate is worthless, since their train of thought is not cohesive.
They hang on the word “independent” because they think it means they are open minded, but it really means is they don’t have the intellect, the grasp, the ability to sort through information and make a decision.
I consider them the lower end of the IQ of political discussions.

right2bright on July 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Independents are like agnostics. They believe, or want to believe, but they just can’t bring themselves to admit it. It also allows them to believe they’re smarter and more open minded than everybody else.

Need proof? Watch Fox News Channel at 8PM.

Jaynie59 on July 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM

So? That’s precisely what KO and RM do nightly.

You better wake up and realize that Independents are fed up with both far left and far right thinking everyone who isn’t as partisan as they are is “stupid.”

You, like the far left, are guilty of demeaning voters. You, like te far left, will suffer the natural consquences of your arrogance.

We don’t like ANY of you.

You are BOTH obnoxious.

And both partisan sides need to be blasted out of politics.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 2:28 PM

You have no idea what you are talking about. Good lord you are an insufferable idiot. Just because you can hulk your frame up to a keyboard and pound out endless inanities doesn’t make you intelligent, smart, informed, or relevant.

You have a 100% success rate of making an ass out of yourself and trying to indict commenters here whom you know nothing about.

Your comments are absolute rubbish.

Inanemergencydial on July 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM

The misnomer is that independents are objective or middle of the roaders.
Those are separate groups, independents are labeled because they don’t have any real standards or ideals…they are very ill equipped to make a decision.
Hence the decision by them to elect Obama, no middle of the roader voted for him. The independents who voted for him were ill informed, and many just not intellectually able to grasp simple concepts, so they get swept away with the hysteria.

right2bright on July 23, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Your comments are absolute rubbish.

Inanemergencydial on July 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM

You are too easy on her…she is a perfect example of an “independent” that can’t think in an organized or intellectual manner…she is why we have Obama as a leader.
She thinks being independent is not being partisan…no it’s not being able to put cohesive thoughts together to form an opinion.

right2bright on July 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Here’s the thing about independents…

You better wake up and realize that Independents are fed up with both far left and far right thinking everyone who isn’t as partisan as they are is “stupid.”

You, like the far left, are guilty of demeaning voters. You, like te far left, will suffer the natural consquences of your arrogance.

We don’t like ANY of you.

You are BOTH obnoxious.

And both partisan sides need to be blasted out of politics.

AnninCA on July 23, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Whoops, looks like somebody already said it. Never mind.

RightOFLeft on July 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM

In the next Republican administration Megyn Kelly would make a fine Attorney-General. She makes Eric Holder look like Alvin Greene.

slickwillie2001 on July 23, 2010 at 3:50 PM

The simple problem: 49% of adults eligible to vote don’t vote.

They are not swept up by ANY party or ANY idea that is presented to them. Any party that could get a mere 5% of that population would start winning elections consistently. That no party, no movement, nothing over the last 30 years has stemmed the tide from merely 30% not voting in 1964 to 49% in 2008 tells us much of modern politics and the extreme danger representative democracy is in.

Not voting is not being ‘interested’ it is not finding appeal in ANYTHING that is put out by ANY party. This is losing the republic faster than anything you can think of as these people see no value in voting: the parties no longer represent them enough to cause them to actually get off their butts and vote. The first thing that changes the direction of that trend, the first party to actually motivate the non-voting population, will swing electoral politics like nothing seen in over a century. But then we set districts to a permanent number a century ago to make our representative democracy more ‘efficient’. Now it is so ‘efficient’ no one bothers with it any more.

That is a huge problem. It gets you tyranny, not liberty.

So if you are into the game of dividing an ever smaller pie, expect a lovely despotic government at its end. Figure out how to grow the pie, how to make government more representative and make individual votes actually count, then you will get liberty as people start realizing that government represents them and that they can hold representatives accountable.

Of course neither party is willing to do this.

Thus we will get tyranny.

It was a nice republic while we had voter participation. Thanks to the lovely two party, set House seat system the Progressives voted into being we are about to lose it. Thanks alot for shrinking pie politics via huge districts that are gerrymandered. Thanks alot for continuing that outlook. For tyranny is your aim and it is what you shall get… and that is less than nothing.

ajacksonian on July 23, 2010 at 3:56 PM

I am certainly not ignorant or moderate. I do follow politics and candidates. I am not wishy washy either. I’m not confused. I’m not passive.

My husband and I took the time and trouble to chance our party affiliation this year because both the Democrat and Republican parties disgust us. Michael Steel is a joke and I certainly don’t want to be in a party that allows him in a leadership position so he can spend money willy nilly. Isn’t that why we aren’t democrats?

McCain did not represent my views yet I was told to once again suck it up and vote for him as the lesser of two evils. I decided I also didn’t want to be in a party that kept offering that up as an excuse for RINOs in leadership.

I am sick of Congress with all the ethics violations, sex scandals, fraud charges, drunk driving, etc. I don’t care which party it is – this simply should not be tolerated! We won’t allow a school principal to continue under these types of violations; why on earth would we allow and representative of the American people to?

katablog.com on July 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM

Dr. Zero: “It’s an explanation that must be delivered with a winning combination of humor, logic, and determination… plus a strong dose of optimism, because we can make that journey.

We should also embrace the importance of being honest with independent voters.”

This is a nice way to describe both why I find

A) Palin to have so much potential for 2012, AND
B) Romney to fail on each count mentioned.

Intuition suggests she says what her conclusions are based on her principles.
Intuition suggests he says what his pollsters tell him his voters want to hear.

Lockstein13 on July 23, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Well …

Independents may not pay much attention to what’s going on but …

UNEMPLOYED INDEPENDENTS … DO.

And … there’s a lot of them right now.

HondaV65 on July 23, 2010 at 6:58 PM

Much as I generally dismiss AnninCa, she has made a valid point this time. Independents are disgusted. More so than the mainstream party members.

Independents are very bright folks, well read, busy in their communities with non-political stuff. They dislike the extremes of both parties, feel the party system itself is a problem, don’t like the constant no progress on issues of importance and blame the parties for the extreme divide in this country.

Every independent I know is well aware of the issues, and knows that the current system is a failure. They are the ones sending messages of reform, not the parties. They are the ones working against the status quo, year after year. This discussion is an insult to them.

eaglesdontflock on July 23, 2010 at 7:10 PM

Last thought – independents sent the shockwaves in 94 and 2006. Disgust personified.

The two-party system is being gamed, particularly by the Soros minions. You have no idea who these candidates are. You have no idea who votes in your primaries. They are very good at gaming the system. The Republicans are not.

eaglesdontflock on July 23, 2010 at 7:31 PM

Wow. That is a great article.

Is it Ross Perot time again?

Theophile on July 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Many Union member Democrats I know let alone independents do not support card check . They don’t much follow politics but they know that show-of-hands votes tend to be unanimous for a reason. Many Democrats I know do not support cap and trade because it raises the price of energy; nor do they support stopping offshore drilling when the alternatives are not yet available. You see, I know working class Democrats whose factories have to survive for them to have a job. If the far left keeps leading the Democratic party, the new Independents will not be the disgusted fiscal conservatives but blue collar factory workers.

KW64 on July 23, 2010 at 11:46 PM