Oh my: Reid to drop cap-and-trade from new energy bill

posted at 1:38 pm on July 22, 2010 by Allahpundit

Supposedly it’s merely a scheduling move, aimed at pushing the C&T debate into the fall when the Senate calendar is less crowded.

Really, though? Democrats, who are already terrified of losing Congress, are going to surf into the midterms with an eleventh-hour push for a hugely expensive new bill related to … global warming? With the GOP already armed with ad-ready video of Obama talking about how it’ll make energy prices “skyrocket”? Radical prediction: Reid’s going to end up deciding in September that the schedule’s still a little too “crowded” to take this up.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will bring a limited package of oil spill response and energy measures to the floor next week, delaying action until at least this fall on a broader proposal that would impose greenhouse gas limits on power plants, senior Senate Democratic aides said.

Aides insisted Reid’s decision is a nod to the packed floor schedule the Senate faces before it leaves in two weeks for the August recess, and that he he has not abandoned plans to try and bring up a broader climate and energy plan later in the year…

For now, the limited package expected on the floor this month will likely allow Democrats to push through a response to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill — such as tougher rig safety requirements — and perhaps some energy provisions that members of both parties could support.

Lindsey Graham, the Dems’ best hope for a Republican vote on cap-and-trade, abandoned ship on the bill last month ostensibly because it’s too lenient about new offshore drilling(!). Which is funny, because he appeared to have abandoned the bill two months earlier for a completely different reason — namely, that Obama and Reid were giving priority to a new immigration bill instead. Either way, the moral of the story is that even Graham really, really doesn’t want to touch C&T right now, and if he’s not willing to do so, you can imagine how vulnerable Dems like Blanche Lincoln feel about it. No wonder John Kerry, who’s been the bill’s chief cheerleader for months in insisting that they can get it done, is now sounding awfully gloomy about its prospects. Exit question: Isn’t this the perfect item for a lame-duck Congress after election day? They’ll never pass it in the next term with a more Republican membership.


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Bait and Switch. Watch for it in a reconciliation vote, or maybe they’ll just deem it passed.

SouthernRoots on July 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Isn’t this the perfect item for a lame-duck Congress after election day?

I would like to think that this congress is already a lame-duck.

WashJeff on July 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM

I think it’s because they realized how lame the video was

tree hugging sister on July 22, 2010 at 1:44 PM

you can imagine how vulnerable Dems like Blanche Lincoln feel about it

Lincoln is a dead woman walking. From now until the end of the year she will vote the way she wants to vote without worrying about the election. So she votes for Cap N Tax and loses by 27% instead of losing by 22% if she votes against? Big deal. But if she is a good soldier and votes as she is instructed there will be a nice cushy job in the administration.

She is the most dangerous of creatures right now….a liberal Democrat with nothing left to lose. Gird yer loins.

angryed on July 22, 2010 at 1:44 PM

What’s his Angle?

fogw on July 22, 2010 at 1:44 PM

“These bills that are supposedly about X, that contain 100 pages of X that doesn’t solve the problem and another 1900 pages of pork that makes everything worse….what say we drop X out of the next one?”

cthulhu on July 22, 2010 at 1:46 PM

Exit question: Isn’t this the perfect item for a lame-duck Congress after election day?

Sure, if they never want to look their constituents in the eyes again.

Patrick Ishmael on July 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM

I can’t wait to see him dropped in the next election.

TrickyDick on July 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM

No trust.

Bishop on July 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Do it, Harry! Push Cap n Tax! I double-dog dare ya!

(OK, comparable to shouting “jump!” to someone standing on a ledge. So what?)

iurockhead on July 22, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Dingy Harry “The War Is Lost” Reid!

Bye Bye harry!

dhunter on July 22, 2010 at 1:49 PM

DEMS will be partying like it’s 1999 after 11.2.10. THAT’s when we’ll be served the Cap and Tax crapwich.

Oink on July 22, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Bait and Switch. Watch for it in a reconciliation vote, or maybe they’ll just deem it passed.

SouthernRoots on July 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Waxman has promised exactly that:
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/01/waxman-ill-use-conference-committee-to-get-cap-and-trade/

theCork on July 22, 2010 at 1:51 PM

Just like all other bills coming out of dc, we will find out what is in it when it is passed. DO not believe this. They are all slug slimes there. I don’t trust them one bit!
L

letget on July 22, 2010 at 1:51 PM

Angleing for the pivot…

Schadenfreude on July 22, 2010 at 1:52 PM

IS AGW code for rub my Chakra? LOL!

Dr Evil on July 22, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Could be poison in a lame duck session as well. Another batch of Dem senators will be 2 yrs away from re-election and Obama’s agenda is so toxic, 2 yrs ain’t enough to scrub it off.

cartooner on July 22, 2010 at 1:58 PM

Anything they pass after November as a lame duck congress can simply not be paid for – no funding. If they pass unpopular legislation after they lose their majority – they aren’t going to be helping whoever is left over want to get re elected or newly elected in the 2012 elections. The meltdown in the Democrat Party has already started.

I know the Progressives hate checks and balances but they are redundant in our system so is separation of powers, they aren’t really keen on that one either.

Dr Evil on July 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Lincoln will do what she’s told, just like Arlen, and for the same reason. She wants a post-Senate job. In her case it is supposedly Secretary of Agriculture.

Vilsack was rumored to be leaving at the end of the year, and given the Sherrod kerfuffle, is definitely on his way out. He’ll be a placeholder until Blanche has cleaned out her Senate office.

Wethal on July 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM

And if people buy this…then re-elect these persons, rest assured, this issue won’t die. They will fight for it next year.

DO NOT VOTE for anyone that supports this!!! If you think things are bad now, just wait. Obamacare is gonna kills us…and now over 100 dems in the house are bringing back the issue of single payer, saying it’ll save 60 some billion . Bah! They won’t let any of their issues go. They will fight for them, at the expense of the rest of us.

capejasmine on July 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM

IS AGW code for rub my Chakra? LOL!

Dr Evil on July 22, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Heh!

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 2:02 PM

Bait and Switch. Watch for it in a reconciliation vote, or maybe they’ll just deem it passed.

SouthernRoots on July 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM

They’d never do that. Again. At least, that’s what they’re going to tell us.

Speaking of “they”, Rush is looking for a new name for the media. Any suggestions out there? I’m thinking “fanboy” or “mark” to replace the name media for the notetakers who work at TV and newspapers that don’t check facts.

hawksruleva on July 22, 2010 at 2:03 PM

In the lame duck Congress, there still could be new senators, given that there are special elections. Senators elected that way are supposed to take their seats immediately (yes, I know how that worked out in MA).

These are the seats and the former senators:

Colorado (Salazar)
New York (Clinton)
Illinois (Obama)
Delaware (Biden)
Florida (Martinez)
West Virginia (Byrd)

Wethal on July 22, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Beware the lame duck Congress.

crosspatch on July 22, 2010 at 2:04 PM

They won’t let any of their issues go. They will fight for them, at the expense of the rest of us.

capejasmine on July 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM

It’ll be at their own expense as well. One of the lessons of Atlas Shrugged is that EVERYbody suffers from the depredations of the looters, even the elite looters.

hawksruleva on July 22, 2010 at 2:05 PM

So a week ago Politico wrote a piece including this excerpt which, if you replaced the actors with Halliburton and free-market groups — you know, groups advocating less state and more liberty, not those sainted groups advocating less freedom and more government — you’d find a scandal that the establishment press wouldn’t let go of until, oh, about November 3.

“Closed-door meetings between a select group of environmentalists and a handful of electric utility executives may determine the fate of climate change legislation in the Senate.

Several key figures met Monday night at The Caucus Room restaurant to hash out a range of issues, from the distribution of valuable emissions allocations in a utility-only climate bill to the potential retirement of aging coal-fired power plants. But the talks ran aground over the air pollution rules.

At the table for industry: Duke Energy President and CEO Jim Rogers, Exelon Chairman and CEO John Rowe, Dominion Resources President and CEO Thomas Farrell and PNM Resources Chairman and CEO Jeff Sterba. Environmental Defense Fund President Fred Krupp, Natural Resources Defense Council President Frances Beinecke and David Hawkins, director of the NRDC climate center and a former Environmental Protection Agency air pollution director from the Carter administration, represented the environmental groups.”

And, sure enough, today’s Climate Wire has a story opening:

“A core group of utility bosses and environmentalists racing to rescue the fading effort to cap carbon emissions has agreed on a number of provisions group members hope will prompt Senate leadership to pursue greenhouse gas reductions at the nation’s power plants…

‘We’re kind of giving them our ideas, suggestions and feedback, and they will take it for what it’s worth,’ another source said. ‘We’ll see where it goes.’

The working group has been meeting for more than a week, convening at Duke Energy’s Washington offices, in the Senate with key aides, and at least once over dinner last week at the Caucus Room. Members consist of high-level officials from the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Environmental Defense Fund, the Pew Center on Global Climate Change, Duke Energy, Exelon Energy and others.”

No details of the memo were released. But its timing comes as Reid considers whether he will include a provision capping utility emissions in a broader energy bill as the chamber faces an expiring work schedule before the summer recess and fall elections.

Amspec blog

Wethal on July 22, 2010 at 2:06 PM

Bait and Switch. Watch for it in a reconciliation vote, or maybe they’ll just deem it passed.

SouthernRoots

This 1000 times this!!!!

Never trust this Leadership to anything. They have lied cheated and bribed to pass their vision of AmeriEurope. Bury Cap & Tax with a wooden stake through it’s heart.

OldeSCfan on July 22, 2010 at 2:07 PM

They are all a bunch of liars …

tarpon on July 22, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Beware the lame duck Congress.

crosspatch on July 22, 2010 at 2:04 PM

No need to worry, the Dems made it very clear in November 2006 that a lame duck congress should never take up controversial bills. Russ Feingold said so.

iurockhead on July 22, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Pass no new energy bill in the Senate till after the start of FY 2011, when reconciliation is off the table.

J_Crater on July 22, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Exit question: Isn’t this the perfect item for a lame-duck Congress after election day?

Yes it is. A final F-U to the nation from lame duck, dead man Harry Reid. These guys won’t go down without taking down as many as they can with them.

jwolf on July 22, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Oops, wrong link to Russ. It’s Here.

iurockhead on July 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Anything they pass after November as a lame duck congress can simply not be paid for – no funding. If they pass unpopular legislation after they lose their majority – they aren’t going to be helping whoever is left over want to get re elected or newly elected in the 2012 elections. The meltdown in the Democrat Party has already started.

I know the Progressives hate checks and balances but they are redundant in our system so is separation of powers, they aren’t really keen on that one either.

Dr Evil on July 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM

All of this is happening despite the assists and layups provided by the MSM. They must be scratching their heads wondering where they went wrong.

How is this possible with all of the cover they have been providing? hmmmm

30 pcs of silver on July 22, 2010 at 2:17 PM

And if people buy this…then re-elect these persons, rest assured, this issue won’t die. They will fight for it next year.

DO NOT VOTE for anyone that supports this!!! If you think things are bad now, just wait. Obamacare is gonna kills us…and now over 100 dems in the house are bringing back the issue of single payer, saying it’ll save 60 some billion . Bah! They won’t let any of their issues go. They will fight for them, at the expense of the rest of us.

capejasmine on July 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM

I am always leary of spendthrifts who suddenly care about saving money. We have to spend in order to save!! Yeah, but what will it cost me?

30 pcs of silver on July 22, 2010 at 2:18 PM

The meltdown in the Democrat Party has already started.

Dr Evil on July 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Kind of reminds me of the Texas Hold’Em player whose chips are nearly gone, is drawing to a dead hand, and has gone all in. Bluff is the only resource left. Dangerous play, if someone calls, but sometimes it works if the other players lack conviction or guts.

Yoop on July 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM

I will say this again.Pay no attention to anything these guys say.Always watch what they do.

thmcbb on July 22, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Speaking of “they”, Rush is looking for a new name for the media. Any suggestions out there? I’m thinking “fanboy” or “mark” to replace the name media for the notetakers who work at TV and newspapers that don’t check facts.

hawksruleva on July 22, 2010 at 2:03 PM

Douchebags…

Jeff2161 on July 22, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Douchebags…

Jeff2161 on July 22, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Nope. Even those have a valid use.

The name should imply total uselessness and a vapid existence. What can exist in a vacuum and feed off itself?

Yoop on July 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM

There was a Politico piece 4 or 5 weeks ago that the strategy was to introduce a “harmless” stripped-down bill in the Senate and get it passed .. then after the election, use reconciliation to add in the “Cap-and Tax” provisions after the election, during a lame duck session when they could vote the way that these Senators wanted too (rather than what the folks back home wanted).

Well, that idea went down the chutes when the Democratic Leadership missed the part in the rules that says reconciliation is based on rules set forth in the “budget” as passed, but since they didn’t pass an actual budget and rather “deemed” a budget passed, there are no rules for reconciliation and therefore there is no reconciliation for FY 2011. There is no reconciliation after 9/30/2010 until the next budget is passed for FY2012, therefore any lame duck” session will be a “shock free” as they pass the appropriations bills, probably in omnibus form (which we know they won’t read).

J_Crater on July 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM

hawksruleva on July 22, 2010 at 2:03 PM

Democratic Brown nose Brigade or the DBB.

30 pcs of silver on July 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM

The likelihood of this passing in a lame duck Senate depends on how many Dems from energy producing states are reelected (if they are up this year) and how many of them want to take the beating they will get from their constituents. We know they all want it. Which of them will have the stones to go for it. Not many I hope.

Extrafishy on July 22, 2010 at 2:40 PM

Yes, lame duck is the time to pass their crap. Man oh man…it will be interesting when these programs aren’t funded. Think libs are mad now??? I’ll get much satisfaction from that – but first WE MUST WIN!

Yellowdog12 on July 22, 2010 at 2:43 PM

This greenhous gas emmission on power plants is the key. The power companies like it because it gives them an excuse to jack up prices while delivering less power.

Here in California, we have an initiative to STOP the implementation of such a measure on this years ballot. The MAJOR money against it is the largest power company, PG&E.

They see power shortages as a way to increase profits.

Harry Reid, and other Democrats like Boxer, see it as a way to get CA$H into their campaigns!

Freddy on July 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Yoop on July 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM

I don’t think Harry has anything that could be described as a “Poker Face” he’s got tells….this is lost, that is lost, all is lost. He’s some prognosticator, given how often he’s been wrong. I wouldn’t be buying into his “I’m going to be re elected” prescience. Harry’s more of a say something over and over enough it becomes true kind of guy. Harry counts on self proclamations coming true. He is from Nevada, he must no at some point his luck has run out.

Dr Evil on July 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM

They’d never do that. Again. At least, that’s what they’re going to tell us.

Speaking of “they”, Rush is looking for a new name for the media. Any suggestions out there? I’m thinking “fanboy” or “mark” to replace the name media for the notetakers who work at TV and newspapers that don’t check facts.

hawksruleva on July 22, 2010 at 2:03 PM

Goebbels? Which in true Rush fashion could be twisted into ‘Gobbles’ like Turkeys, which these people are.

I want to plant the seed in Reids head: “Don’t end up like Mussolini, don’t end up like Mussolini…” Shot, drug thru the streets, hung up by the ankle at a gas station.

orbitalair on July 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Speaking of “they”, Rush is looking for a new name for the media. Any suggestions out there? I’m thinking “fanboy” or “mark” to replace the name media for the notetakers who work at TV and newspapers that don’t check facts.

hawksruleva on July 22, 2010 at 2:03 PM

Main Stooge Media of course!

Freddy on July 22, 2010 at 2:47 PM

They are all slug slimes there. I don’t trust them one bit!

No need to get personal.

slug on July 22, 2010 at 2:50 PM

I know the Progressives hate checks and balances but they are redundant in our system so is separation of powers, they aren’t really keen on that one either.

One point that I’ve been trying to get across on the other blogs I comment at is that we need to stop falling into the trap of calling them ‘Progressives’. They have been running from the ‘liberal’ label for quite awhile and if we call them what they wish to be called, we’re letting them off the hook a bit. They’re liberals and we should continue calling them as such.

slug on July 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Cap N Tax will pass with Republican support in exchange for extending the Bush tax cuts. Which is fine I guess. For every $1 I save in taxes with the extension, I will pay right back in higher energy costs.

angryed on July 22, 2010 at 3:00 PM

slug on July 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Why do they hate the word “liberal” so much? I think progressive sounds so much worse (but what do I know…I ain’t “of them”).

Yellowdog12 on July 22, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Now that they’ve sniffed the amount of money they can garner from this, they will never — repeat, NEVER – give up on this.

MassVictim on July 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM

I would love to see Rockefeller have to vote on C&T.

humdinger on July 22, 2010 at 3:25 PM

Kerry must be crushed.

paul1149 on July 22, 2010 at 3:29 PM

Darn, I was really looking forward to watching the Democrats get creamed on that one. I even bought extra popcorn too…

Wyznowski on July 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM

slug on July 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Why do they hate the word “liberal” so much? I think progressive sounds so much worse (but what do I know…I ain’t “of them”).
Yellowdog12 on July 22, 2010 at 3:02 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

People have figured out that they don’t really support Liberty as the label implies so the new way of fooling people is that they favor Progress.
But they are a New form of Progressive, so it really should be NeoProgressive.

Colbyjack on July 22, 2010 at 3:36 PM

I’ll tell you how this is going to work. Energy legislation sans cap-and-trade before the elections and cap-and-trade in the lame duck session when the House and Senate versions need to be reconciled in committee.

The GOP better not drop the ball on this one. No deals. Period. No energy legislation no matter how dressed up to look appealing to Republicans. Don’t fall for the trap or play a role in setting the trap.

If the Dems want to try for cap-and-trade then we must force them to take it up in lame duck session without an energy bill already in place. I can just see the excuses from the GOP about the non-existence of cap-and-trade in an pre-election adjournment bill and the importance of some backroom deal energy legislation that lays the groundwork for committee reconciliation with the House bill.

Obstruct this sucker all the way. Obstruct any energy bill before and after the elections until the next Congress is seated. Anything less than this is aiding the Democrats into raiding our pockets and the Senate GOP will be complicit in allowing this. Time to remove unanimous consent again, and again, and again. Obstruction – it’s the new cool.

gmerits on July 22, 2010 at 3:41 PM

slug on July 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Slug they are they are THE NEW LEFT and they are Progressives. A Liberal doesn’t bash the country but “The Left” does…they want to remake the country, they don’t like it the way it is…they came out of the New Left Movement of the 60s and 70s and as Vann Jones was crowing to his audience they are in the third wave “Greenie” wave.

The President has stated, I am proud to be a progressive. I am sure he wishes you would prefer to call him a Liberal it’s less negative.

Dr Evil on July 22, 2010 at 3:48 PM

The Dems on the way out will have nothing to lose.

Southernblogger on July 22, 2010 at 3:51 PM

The Dems on the way out will have nothing to lose.

Southernblogger on July 22, 2010 at 3:51 PM

Except their Democrat counterparts want to be elected in 2012 there is a DNC. I don’t think they want their numbers to dwindle down too low.

Dr Evil on July 22, 2010 at 4:12 PM

As I understood it from a review a couple months ago, the Energy bill was evolving towards being little more than a fossil fuel energy VAT (coal and oil), perhaps tossing in a few other green targets such as nuclear. Natural gas & cornahol may or may not get exemptions…

drfredc on July 22, 2010 at 4:20 PM

This greenhous gas emmission on power plants is the key. The power companies like it because it gives them an excuse to jack up prices while delivering less power…

Freddy on July 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Not correct. Rather, they want to get the Feds to loosen up the red tape so they can build more nuke plants so they CAN retire the coal fired plants. Otherwise it is not cost effective to do so. In other words, they want to maneuver the Feds to give them cover against the Greens (Watermelons, that is).

Remember utilities are the most regulated of industries. Right now they are screwed — they can’t cost effectively replace the coal fired plants, and the Greens want to hammer them on the coal fired plants. The Greens won’t let them build hydro plants, and wind and solar are really too expensive and inefficient and the utilities know that (regardless of their nice “green” annual reports with wind towers on the cover).

The ONLY way out is nuke plants. And there hasn’t been a nuke plant built for 30 years in the USA. So what can the utilities do? Our civilization needs power. The cold laws of physics hold that nuclear power is in fact the only sensible way to go — and the Greens in government who are pig ignorant have prevented that. So the utilities are desperately trying any approach — including Cap ‘n Trade — to counter the Greens and increase capacity.

And that’s the real story.

SunSword on July 22, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Bait and Switch. Watch for it in a reconciliation vote, or maybe they’ll just deem it passed.

SouthernRoots on July 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Exactly. This is a Barbra Streisand fan dance.

Just like how abortions weren’t going to be covered under ObamaCare, no way, no how.

Cylor on July 22, 2010 at 4:33 PM

SunSword on July 22, 2010 at 4:26 PM

All the cover in the world won’t help to build nukes. The dirty little secret is that until a repository has been approved and opened no new nukes can be built. So unless they finally approve Yucca mountain we will be sol when it comes to Nukes.

chemman on July 22, 2010 at 5:21 PM

SouthernRoots on July 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM
Cylor on July 22, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Unless they pass an FY2011 budget that contains provisions that all use pf reconciliation for C&T first then reconciliation is off the table.

chemman on July 22, 2010 at 5:24 PM

It’s worse than that, according to an email blast from the Wall Street Journal:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) said Thursday that neither he nor the White House had persuaded 60 senators to support even a limited proposal seeking to restrict emission from electric-power companies. Mr. Reid offered no timetable for action on such a bill, but said Democrats would continue trying to build support for such legislation.

Paul_in_NJ on July 22, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Oh my: Reid to drop cap-and-trade from new energy bill

Bullpucky! Horsehockey! Balderdash! Codswallop! Poppycock!

Reid may SAY he is leaving out, but Democrats will leave in some provision that allows the president to do it all by executive order, OR they will put Cap and Trade in in reconcilliation, or something…

have you learned nothing about this congress in the last 20 months? THEY LIE! They CHEAT and they STEAL, but they do whatever it takes no matter what it takes to get what they want!

If the Senate passes this bill, Democrats will have Cap and Trade by hook or by crook.

American Elephant on July 22, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Yet another reason to DO SOMETHING:

1. Contribute to Sharron Angle

2. Pass this around: http://therealharryreid.org/

Amazing what Reid’s own 1993 Comprehensive Immigration bill did – no amnesty, no DREAM Act, just strict law enforcement and … AN END TO BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP!! Really!! You can win bar bets on this trivia!!!

http://therealharryreid.org/immigration1993.html

Harry’s 1993 press release sounds like Tom Tancredo!!

fred5678 on July 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM

If this is true, and lasting, all I can say is Hallelujah! Praise God!

Honestly, between California’s version of Cap and Trade on steroids- AB 32, and this I thought it was curtains for my business, which consults for large projects.

Hopefully the phones will start ringing again before we’re bankrupt.

NTWR on July 22, 2010 at 7:30 PM

And PLEASE join this effort, especially on facebook, to suspend AB 32. I know many hate Californians but it is a GIANT state with many who disagree with the Bayarea (pronounced like diarrhea) and the other leftist enclaves that have us held hostage. Please help us, seriously, the state is too valuable to let fall into the ocean.

NTWR on July 22, 2010 at 7:35 PM

They are going to try pass crap n’ tax somehow, anyway possible. There is too much money at stake–billions of dollars for AlGore, for Soros, for Hussein Obama’s Chicago cronies. Follow the money!

Dhuka on July 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM

The utilities are in on the Cap and Tax scam: Utilities, Greens Scheming for ‘Necessarily Skyrocketing’ Energy Prices

More fascism, disgusting.

slickwillie2001 on July 22, 2010 at 9:06 PM