JournoList, Day 3: Debate moves to the media

posted at 8:48 am on July 22, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

On the first day of JournoList, Daily Caller gave to me … a plot to spike the Wright stuff.  On the second day of JournoList, Daily Caller gave to me … demands for government intervention with Fox News, and a plateful of irony from accusations of fascism.  On the third day, however, Daily Caller catches mainly opinion journalists offering and soliciting opinions about John McCain’s choice of running mate, Sarah Palin, in exactly the terms that people discussed in public as well:

In the hours after Sen. John McCain announced his choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate in the last presidential race, members of an online forum called Journolist struggled to make sense of the pick. Many of them were liberal reporters, and in some cases their comments reflected a journalist’s instinct to figure out the meaning of a story.

But in many other exchanges, the Journolisters clearly had another, more partisan goal in mind: to formulate the most effective talking points in order to defeat Palin and McCain and help elect Barack Obama president. The tone was more campaign headquarters than newsroom.

That is true, but the Journolisters involved were mainly (and publicly) political activists, bloggers, and opinion journalists, with a few arguable exceptions.  Jeffrey Toobin of  The New Yorker and CNN contributor called Palin “a joke,” which was hardly a reaction the Left kept private.  Ryan Donmoyer of Bloomberg, who we discovered yesterday badly needs a remedial history course on Nazi Germany, noted that her story of keeping her baby even after being informed of his Down’s Syndrome was a “heartwarming story” that “appeals to a vast swath of America.”  Ben Adler, then at Politico and now at Newsweek, responded that “leaving sad [sic] baby without its mother” would negate that appeal if Palin’s opponents weren’t “too afraid to make that point.”

Mostly, though, the conversation went much like a barroom bull session at the end of the day.  The participants were certainly critical of Palin, as they were in public, but the bigger revelation may have been how much they worried that Palin might do real damage to Barack Obama’s chances.  Interestingly, many of them thought an attack on Palin’s lack of experience would backfire by forcing the media to focus on Obama’s thin resumé.  There are no big, splashy revelations of smear campaigns in these exchanges, but instead a conversation where the group clearly wanted to find its footing after getting surprised by the choice of Palin.

Jonathan Strong saves the real story for last, however:

Time’s Joe Klein then linked to his own piece, parts of which he acknowledged came from strategy sessions on Journolist. “Here’s my attempt to incorporate the accumulated wisdom of this august list-serve community,” he wrote. And indeed Klein’s article contained arguments developed by his fellow Journolisters. Klein praised Palin personally, calling her “fresh” and “delightful,” but questioned her “militant” ideology. He noted Palin had endorsed parts of Obama’s energy proposal.

This piece makes the argument that JournoListers attempted to shape coverage through their debates.  Klein wrote this article in the first person, attributing these ideas to himself. He could just as easily have written, “Political activists are wondering about the following” in his list of issues in this first reaction to the Palin announcement.  Instead, Klein wrote, “I wonder about the following,” which misleads readers into believing that these points sprang from his own forehead as Athena from Zeus.  While Klein is very clearly an opinion journalist at Time, he represented those opinions as his own — and one has to wonder how many other talking points from JournoList Klein passed off as his own over the years at Time.  The magazine needs to address that issue immediately.

Update: Added a [sic] after “sad” in the above quote; that’s how the article quotes Adler, although the context is clearly “said”.  Also, to respond to some in the comments protesting that I’m downplaying this, it’s because there’s nothing wrong or unethical for journalists to converse with each other about current events and politics.  There’s certainly nothing wrong with opinion journalists having opinions, either.  Nothing said in this exchange was particularly noteworthy, and all of it was considerably milder than what some of the participants said publicly about Palin.  It’s pretty clear, after all, that no one took Ezra Klein’s advice to ignore Palin and focus on McCain, or multiple suggestions not to attack her lack of experience.  The one exception is Klein’s regurgitation of the suggested points of attack from Journolisters as his own thoughts and his reporting back to Journolist of having done so.

Update II: Jim Geraghty also focuses on Klein.

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Breitbart just showed the media for what it is.

lonestar1 on July 22, 2010 at 10:36 AM
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Well it seems that Brietbart was correct according to Elrushbo ,a few minutes ago.

ohiobabe on July 22, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Chris Hayes of the Nation wrote in with words of encouragement, and to ask for more talking points. “Keep the ideas coming! Have to go on TV to talk about this in a few min and need all the help I can get,” Hayes wrote.

Suzanne Nossel, chief of operations for Human Rights Watch, added a novel take: “I think it is and can be spun as a profoundly sexist pick. Women should feel umbrage at the idea that their votes can be attracted just by putting a woman, any woman, on the ticket no matter her qualifications or views.”

Mother Jones’s Stein loved the idea. “That’s excellent! If enough people – people on this list? – write that the pick is sexist, you’ll have the networks debating it for days. And that negates the SINGLE thing Palin brings to the ticket,” he wrote.

And suddenly all the women I knew were talking about how sexist the pick was, and how insulting that mcCain thought he could get their votes just by picking a woman–any woman! Yeah, I’m sure the coordinated tone of media coverage had nothing to do with it.

alwaysfiredup on July 22, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Rush just called the MSM the “Ministry of Truth”…..

+1984

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 12:39 PM

Rush is on a tear …..holy smokes…he’s going off on Obama voters.

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Fred Barnes goes after Journolist today in the WSJ

John the Libertarian on July 22, 2010 at 12:41 PM

Maybe someone made this point, but I will make it anyway. To those who say this is “no big deal” and so what if power players in the media and academia coordinate talking points and political stratgies in order to defeat their opponents — Imagine for just one moment if an enterprising lefty reporter uncovered a listserv site where heads of big business and prominent conservative pundits were wishing death and destruction on Democrats (nevermind the electioneering). It would be Watergate to the millionth power. I cannot get past the sheer hypocrisy.

shannonkelly on July 22, 2010 at 12:55 PM

Maybe the problem is that Ed is looking at it from a limited, legalistic standpoint whereas most of us are looking at this as a huge smoking crater that is sinking the “objective journalism” meme. This should be front page news all over the country as real journalists everywhere repudiate this practices and purge these people and anybody else found to have engaged in similar activities from their ranks, all in an effort to keep their ship afloat.

And if they can’t save the ship called Journalism then they should be heading for the life boats, turning whistle blower. Have a journalistic renascence.

FloatingRock on July 22, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Facebook has mysteriously disappeared Sarah Palin’s post on the planned Ground Zero Mosque.
I guess opposition to one particular religion’s trophy is considered hate speech.
We are doomed.

lonestar1 on July 22, 2010 at 1:00 PM

all in an effort to keep their ship afloat.

…and regain their lost credibility.

And that’s true regardless of any legal matters that may or may not arise due to JournoGate.

FloatingRock on July 22, 2010 at 1:01 PM

By the way, I expect that any tv interview on this topic should begin with disclosure; -”have you ever been subscribed to Journolist”?

Let’s start with Shemp, Juan Williams, Cece Connolly, Mara Liasson, Mort Kondracke, Greg Jarrett, Kirsten Powers, Bob Beckel, etc. Since Fox News is my chosen outlet that’s where I start.

slickwillie2001 on July 22, 2010 at 1:01 PM

Facebook has mysteriously disappeared Sarah Palin’s post on the planned Ground Zero Mosque.
I guess opposition to one particular religion’s trophy is considered hate speech.
We are doomed.

lonestar1 on July 22, 2010 at 1:00 PM

If Facebook is censoring Palin’s political commentary it sounds like news to me. Every conservative should be made aware so they can let Facebook know how they feel about it.

FloatingRock on July 22, 2010 at 1:06 PM

That’s what’s wrong with this particular conversation about Palin. They’re not interested in the truth. They’re interested in finding ways to damage her, and they’re doing it in concert via this list.

Daggett on July 22, 2010 at 11:20 AM

agree somewhat. but take rush and hannity for instance. they do their own research they search thru stacks of stories etc. true they might take ideas form each other if one or the other happens to make a good point. they in essence work independent of each other. They do not sit around amongst themselves and say well what should be the talking points today.

what this story is saying is that these “journalists” did not work independently to come up with their own take on the news, did not work to discover the news. what they did was sit around and make up what the news was going to be out of thin air and then that made up crap was accepted as fact because of peer presure and peer review. In no instance did any of these reporters do any work besides talking amongst themselves. This is what creates a bubble. It is the problem with washington with the MSM and any and all professions that and insular and do not seek out other opinions from other professions or walks of life.

the fact that this is a profession journalism that is built on the concept of seeking out facts and opinions from outside their professions makes it that much worse.

unseen on July 22, 2010 at 1:06 PM

Vyce on July 22, 2010 at 12:03 PM

“far right” talking points? you sound like daily kos.

unseen on July 22, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Also, to respond to some in the comments protesting that I’m downplaying this, it’s because there’s nothing wrong or unethical for journalists to converse with each other about current events and politics. There’s certainly nothing wrong with opinion journalists having opinions, either. Nothing said in this exchange was particularly noteworthy, and all of it was considerably milder than what some of the participants said publicly about Palin. It’s pretty clear, after all, that no one took Ezra Klein’s advice to ignore Palin and focus on McCain, or multiple suggestions not to attack her lack of experience.

Ed, I must say I’ve lost a lot of respect for you on this one. The “move on …. nothing to see here” attitude is rather beneath you and your normally good work.

The fact these losers on Journolist coordinated, period, to take down a candidate, any candidate, should chill you to your very core.

These “people” shouldn’t be defended in any way. Yes, I know, some are “opinion journalists” but some are supposed “straight” reporters as well.

Look, I know I’m a partisan hack, and a strong Palin supporter, but the fact the media can come together and do this to her, means they can do this to anyone, including GOP show ponies like Mitt Romney.

This sort of stuff simply cannot be excused.

Past that, there is so much more to this story. Though she doesn’t seem to be on the list, let’s talk about Katie Couric.

Not only did she edit down hours and hours of tape, in order to paint Sarah in the worst light, before the interview she received extensive coaching from Sam Nunn, who was reportedly on Obama’s short list for VP, and ended up working on his transition team.

http://patterico.com/2008/11/12/couric-took-advice-on-how-to-interview-palin-from-obama-supporter-sam-nunn/

As Joe Biden would say, that’s a pretty big deal. I mean you have someone from Team Obama actually sitting with a reporter and working on strategery to take their opponent down! Where’s the outrage over that??

Couple this with the coordinated attacks from the White House on Palin, and you have a serious story here. There is plenty of there there on this one:

http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/sarah-palin-barack-obama-and-the-cost-of-fighting-chicago-thug-politics/

Very disappointed Ed …. very disappointed.

gary4205 on July 22, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Politico is attempting to kill this by conflating Carlson and Breitbart.

VidOmnia on July 22, 2010 at 1:14 PM

The bottom line here is…we all knew this was going on. Now it’s just the proof laid out on the table for all to see.

There are bigger fish to fry. Our country is systematically being taken over, and we need to work together to stop it, and preserve America for what she’s always been. A beacon of freedom, and liberty. We need to stay focused on the more important issues, and stop giving Obama, and the NAACP what they want. For us to be diverted with this lame issue.

capejasmine on July 22, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Rush is on a tear …..holy smokes…he’s going off on Obama voters.

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 12:40 PM
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He is as tired as we are of this,it is unreal he is even dealing with it. He is pissed as I am.

ohiobabe on July 22, 2010 at 1:23 PM

There are bigger fish to fry.

capejasmine on July 22, 2010 at 1:21 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_multitasking

FloatingRock on July 22, 2010 at 1:25 PM

I think it bothers Rush too that there are still so called conservatives who are running from these race baiters.

ohiobabe on July 22, 2010 at 1:25 PM

Well from Palin’s comments today about this story she gets it even if Ed is clueless.

sick puppies, threat to democracy. Palin understands. Ed wants to whitewash it.

unseen on July 22, 2010 at 1:28 PM

There are bigger fish to fry. Our country is systematically being taken over, and we need to work together to stop it, and preserve America for what she’s always been. A beacon of freedom, and liberty. We need to stay focused on the more important issues, and stop giving Obama, and the NAACP what they want. For us to be diverted with this lame issue.

capejasmine on July 22, 2010 at 1:21 PM

until we take back the media there is no bigger fish to fry. The socialists get it we don’t. You want to concentrate on the big ticket items. The socialistsconcentrate on the clogs that make the wheeel turn. Like the media, the school teachers, etc.

unseen on July 22, 2010 at 1:32 PM

This admin. and it’s buddies the media are hoping to pit us against each other unfortunately there are still clueless people who are falling for it…..If someone were to call me rascist I would have to ask”is that all you have”,that all you can do is resort to name-calling”? I feel sorry for these people who spend their time being so angry.

ohiobabe on July 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM

By the way, I expect that any tv interview on this topic should begin with disclosure; -”have you ever been subscribed to Journolist”?

slickwillie2001 on July 22, 2010 at 1:01 PM

I thought the same:

“Are you now or have you ever been a member of Journolist?” asked of every reporter who opines on cable upon their introduction.

ChrisB on July 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Why hasn’t this post/thread been bumped up to the LH column???

conservative pilgrim on July 22, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Jonathan Strong from the DC said it best on Fox & Friends this morning: Even as an opinion journalist, the public places a trust in you to say what you believe, not say what you believe needs to be said to help your political side. It’s too bad that some on the conservative side cannot or are unwilling to grasp this basic premise.

RedRedRice on July 22, 2010 at 1:40 PM

There are bigger fish to fry.

capejasmine on July 22, 2010 at 1:21 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flanking_maneuver

FloatingRock on July 22, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Ed – I think the point is that there is a near hegemony by the left of ink and broadcast space in what I would call 1st line information providers. All due respect to blogs and cable, many of those who mindlessly adhere to the Obama propaganda, and also hate Republicans, do so because 1st providers of news deliver all they have heard or read.

So – if the left controls the vast majority of public pronouncement real estate – and the journalistic/opinion left is coordinating their message – it is a very dangerous thing.

If there was some semblance of equanimity between left and right, it might be less important. There is not equanimity, and the journolist confabs are very important for that reason – despite the “banter” level of discourse.

maninthemiddle on July 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM

EM:

There’s certainly nothing wrong with opinion journalists having opinions, either.

Disagree, Ed. This wasn’t just having an opinion. They were colluding to create a collective narrative that they could use to a) widen a biased attack, an attack they felt compelled to keep behind a “firewall” and away from public evaluation, and to b) carry this message through their respective domains and business institutions to accelerate an essentially astroturfed message.

This is way beyond unethical. This was/is propaganda. There is no sugarcoating this dishonest, malevolent behavior.

AnonymousDrivel on July 22, 2010 at 1:57 PM

In exclusive remarks to The Daily Caller, Palin described “hordes of Obama’s opposition researchers-slash ‘reporters’” descending upon Alaska in the days after she was picked by McCain.

She said the media became a key reason she decided not to finish out her term as governor and faults, in part, the McCain campaign for failing to vigorously defend her.

Palin chose to be a public figure at the highest level, as a candidate in a presidential campaign, arguably inviting the most intense scrutiny imaginable.

Yet TheDC revealed posts from Jounolist that show liberal journalists coordinating attack lines against Palin from the moment McCain picked her, suggesting she may have had the deck stacked against her.

Palin said she sensed the vitriol coming from campaign reporters at the time.

“It was too obvious to me, my family, my administration and anyone else who knew me (and my record) that we were in a defenseless position the minute I gave my acceptance speech and the hordes of Obama’s opposition researchers-slash ‘reporters’ had descended upon Alaska,” Palin told The DC.

Palin, whose conflicts with key McCain campaign staffers are infamous, said the campaign could have stood by her more firmly.

“To not have had the McCain campaign staff defend my record was an insurmountable challenge, because once a bell is rung, it’s impossible to un-ring,” Palin said.

Regarding a television interview with Katie Couric widely seen at the time as a turning point in the public’s perception of Palin, which critics argued illustrated Palin’s inexperience, Palin said the interview was selectively edited.

“It didn’t help, either, that the hours and hours of interviews with the likes of Katie Couric resulted in a few minutes here and there of selected snippets of my annoyed answers. (I naively had not believed at the time of some of the badgering questions [for example, questioning my pro-life position] that the editing process would fulfill their biased purpose),” Palin said.

Palin says the feeding frenzy culture of the media galvanized her political opponents in Alaska. “The media incentivized political opponents to file false ethics charges and expensive, wasteful, frivolous lawsuits against me, my family and my staff, in an obvious attempt to destroy us,” Palin said.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/22/sarah-palin-strikes-back-at-journolists-sick-puppies/print/#ixzz0uR3D3yms

unseen on July 22, 2010 at 1:59 PM

…Daily Caller catches mainly opinion journalists offering and soliciting opinions about John McCain’s choice of running mate, Sarah Palin, in exactly the terms that people discussed in public as well:

Wrong. Journolisters were contemplating how to bring her down and what the narrative will be. The public was not.

joshlbetts on July 22, 2010 at 2:00 PM

AnonymousDrivel on July 22, 2010 at 1:57 PM

+10000

joshlbetts on July 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Ed I think you give the Journolist conspiritors too much slack….they actively conspired to put Barack Obama into office and they did a lot of unethical and dishonest coordinating when they should have been impartial and fair…or not have represented themselves as non partisan… Everything they said and wrote shoud ahve been prefaced with I support Barck Obama nd am working for his unofficail campaign… Their only reason not to state that is to maniipulate and to lie and to gain an unfair adbantage fromn an ignorant populace they deceive…

The pain and hurt they have caused Sarah Palin in their quest to elect Obama is immoral…to smear her and to lie about her and to harass her in order to elect Barack Obama is unforgiveable… To continue to mock her and coordinate media attacks against her to protect Barack Obama is not going to go unanswered… We should all know who these people are…they shoud all be exposed…

CCRWM on July 22, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Their only reason not to state that is to manipulate and to lie and to gain an unfair advantage from an ignorant populace they deceive

CCRWM on July 22, 2010 at 2:06 PM

For us to be diverted with this lame issue.

capejasmine on July 22, 2010 at 1:21 PM

Oh, so the gatekeepers preventing the public from being well-informed by coordinating to hide information, and ganging together in secret to strip choices from voters by lying, hiding information, trying to discredit good information, and coordinating repetetive attacks to give them credibility through numbers – this is a “lame issue?”

You could not be more wrong.

This is THE issue, because you simply cannot inform the majority of the public while they’re being lied to en masse by the MSM and they don’t know it.

You’re home alone. The water is boiling, the paint is peeling, the alarm is going off. Which do you deal with first? NONE! Because the house is on fire!

The MSM’s control of the narrative has been diminished, first by talk radio and the internet, then by Fox news – but we’re far from done with this, and we have a long way to go. The JournoList archives can be a big step in that process if we keep at it and don’t let our ADD drag us off in every other direction.

There just plain isn’t a bigger fish right now.

Merovign on July 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Wasn’t it these guys who were so fraught with anxiety about “cigar filled backroom deals”?
All the while having their own “internet backroom deals”…it isn’t what they say, of course birds of a feather and all that stuff, but it is the hypocrisy…btw, they did discuss how under Obama, Haliburton has made record proftis, didn’t they?

right2bright on July 22, 2010 at 2:08 PM

How many like-minded lurkers were there?

joshlbetts on July 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM

OMG! Even Palin hater Sully said it was a big deal…

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/07/the-line-on-palin.html

LurkerDood on July 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM

I lost friends because of Palin and I’d lose them again, happily. They spouted all of this crap sucked right out of HuffPo, Time and others. Morons.

BrideOfRove on July 22, 2010 at 2:22 PM

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/07/the-line-on-palin.html

Wow…they’ve begun feeding on themselves.

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM

I wonder if Palin has the grounds to sue for ?libel? ?slander? I mean, she shelled out $$ coinage to protect herself against this “line”….

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 2:26 PM

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/07/the-line-on-palin.html

Wow…they’ve begun feeding on themselves.

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM

I am amazed!
Journolist even has Andrew Sullivan OB/Gyn, mad at them!
We do live in interesting times…

Jenfidel on July 22, 2010 at 2:27 PM

I am very interested for someone to take this “line on palin” then outline the subsequent media reactions, columns, blogs, posts, reports —-and fully lay out the effects of this JournoList crap.

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Very disappointed Ed …. very disappointed.

gary4205 on July 22, 2010 at 1:14 PM

I don’t know what has happened to HotAir.

Ed has made excuses for liberals non-stop lately.
And then there is Candyass RINO Allah.

I doubt Michelle Malkin would approve if she was still running the show.

Comes to prove that in the conservative blogoshere, just as in GOP politics, only the women have balls.

Norwegian on July 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Between this, yesterday’s completely unnecessary knee-jerk apology and the perpetual audience-chiding qualifications of criticism being directed at the left, it’s beyond clear that some people simply do not have the stomach to fight this battle the only way it can be effectively fought.

Cylor on July 22, 2010 at 2:54 PM

The fact that some people failed to sell their talking points to the others doesn’t negate the fact that this was a forum where people shopped talking points and lobbied other journalists to coordinate their messages. Some may have failed, but others obviously succeeded. Consider:

Chris Hayes of the Nation wrote in with words of encouragement, and to ask for more talking points. “Keep the ideas coming! Have to go on TV to talk about this in a few min and need all the help I can get,” Hayes wrote.

And:

Mother Jones’s Stein loved the idea. “That’s excellent! If enough people – people on this list? – write that the pick is sexist, you’ll have the networks debating it for days. And that negates the SINGLE thing Palin brings to the ticket,” he wrote.

This isn’t locker-room talk that sports reporters hanging around can hear. This is a team meeting where you go over the playbook. It should be noted that reporters were at the meeting.

Heywood U. Reedmore on July 22, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Also, to respond to some in the comments protesting that I’m downplaying this, it’s because there’s nothing wrong or unethical for journalists to converse with each other about current events and politics. There’s certainly nothing wrong with opinion journalists having opinions, either.
Dear Ruling Class,

May I join your ranks?

Yours,

Ed Morrissey

fossten on July 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM

lonestar1 on July 22, 2010 at 1:00 PM
FloatingRock on July 22, 2010 at 1:06 PM

If you’re referencing the “Intolorable Mistake on Hallowed Ground” post on Facebook, I’m still able to see it.

JadeNYU on July 22, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Between this, yesterday’s completely unnecessary knee-jerk apology and the perpetual audience-chiding qualifications of criticism being directed at the left, it’s beyond clear that some people simply do not have the stomach to fight this battle the only way it can be effectively fought.

Cylor on July 22, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Not to mention the “Dave Weigel is a nice guy” idiocy…sigh…

CCRWM on July 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Isn’t the real story here that newspapers (who, last time I checked, were struggling to pay the bills) are paying their opinion columnists WAAAAAAY too much?

Instead of paying good old Joe Klein $$$ to write a compilation of what the folks on Journolist have decided should be the opinion du jour, why not just pay an intern $ to do the same thing?

They save lots of money. The same story still gets written.

It’s win-win.

JadeNYU on July 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM

JadeNYU on July 22, 2010 at 3:10 PM

It was tweeted as a “repost,” not sure why.

It’s on my account (at least the version posted around noon today).

cs89 on July 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM

People have a right to associate with like-minded people and to join with like-minded people to convey a coordinated message. However, opinion writers, reporters and bloggers have an ethical obligation to disclose their interests. I evaluate the messages of advertising agencies, PR firms and campaign staffs (official and unofficial) differently than I do those of editorialists. If Ed, AP, Krauthammer, Barnes or other conservative pundits are part of secret associations of activists and coordinate their messages, they likewise have obligations of disclosure.

We know what the political activities of Karl Rove, Erick Erickson or Markos Moulitsas are. We understand the values and priorities of members of MoveOn or the Tea Party and we can judge their statements accordingly. We expect political activists to engage in coordinated efforts to advance their agendas.

Most recently, Wa-Po already has had problems with Weigel and McGinniss, an unpaid advisor to the Obama administration, despite its own code of ethics.

“This newspaper is pledged to avoid conflict of interest or the appearance of conflict of interest, wherever and whenever possible. We have adopted stringent policies on these issues, conscious that they may be more restrictive than is customary in the world of private business…

…In addition, we will be reaching out to all of our panelists to request they update their bios and disclose any potential conflicts.”

What are the codes of ethics for Time, Bloomberg, The New Yorker, Newsweek, Mother Jones, et al? Are their employees permitted to engage in outside activities and conduct work for political campaigns that create a real or apparent conflict of interest? Are their pundits expected or permitted to conspire with other outlets to suppress news or create coordinated political messages?

obladioblada on July 22, 2010 at 3:17 PM

why not just pay an intern $ to do the same thing?

They save lots of money. The same story still gets written.

It’s win-win.

JadeNYU on July 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Does the “same story gets written” mean the same biased Palin-hating hit piece?
Because that’s not a story; it’s prObama propaganda.

Jenfidel on July 22, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Facebook has mysteriously disappeared Sarah Palin’s post on the planned Ground Zero Mosque.
I guess opposition to one particular religion’s trophy is considered hate speech.
We are doomed.

lonestar1 on July 22, 2010 at 1:00 PM

If Facebook is censoring Palin’s political commentary it sounds like news to me. Every conservative should be made aware so they can let Facebook know how they feel about it.

FloatingRock on July 22, 2010 at 1:06 PM

No … it’s still there:

http://www.facebook.com/notes.php?id=24718773587

gary4205 on July 22, 2010 at 3:23 PM

cs89 on July 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Yep….just noticed that myself and came back to correct my post.

Jenfidel on July 22, 2010 at 3:17 PM

My post was mostly tongue in cheek and was just pointing out that if these guys are all writing the same ‘story’ they don’t really need to pay the big name guys $$$ to do it.

I also think it’s pretty clear from what has been released from Journolist so far that they don’t just hate Palin. They seem to have a strong dislike of anyone that’s not the squishiest of Republicans.

If I were one of the folks listed by name in the post that said to just choose a Republican and smear them as racist, I wouldn’t be feeling the love. If I were Rush and someone was fantasizing about watching me die in front of them while they did nothing to save me, I wouldn’t be warm and fuzzy.

JadeNYU on July 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM

gary4205 on July 22, 2010 at 3:23 PM

JadeNYU on July 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM

cs89 on July 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Someone did “disappear” it.

obladioblada on July 22, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Very disappointed Ed …. very disappointed.

gary4205 on July 22, 2010 at 1:14 PM

I don’t know what has happened to HotAir.

Ed has made excuses for liberals non-stop lately.
And then there is Candyass RINO Allah.

I doubt Michelle Malkin would approve if she was still running the show.

Comes to prove that in the conservative blogoshere, just as in GOP politics, only the women have balls.

Norwegian on July 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM

+ 10,000,000,000,000

gary4205 on July 22, 2010 at 3:33 PM

gary4205 on July 22, 2010 at 3:23 PM

JadeNYU on July 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM

cs89 on July 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Someone did “disappear” it.

obladioblada on July 22, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Many apologies. Missed that story.

These are some scary times we live in. Dangerously scary times.

I’ll be honest, it really scares me to see Ed’s such nonchalant treatment of all of this. This is one of the biggest scandals in history, and pretty much questions the integrity of every news organization, and yet it gets treated as no big deal.

This is a direct threat to the United States.

gary4205 on July 22, 2010 at 3:41 PM

The media is working feverishly to continue the Breitbart is a racist story. The more journolist info is revealed, the harder they push the Sherrod as victim, Breitbart/Fox as evil oppressor line.

lonestar1 on July 22, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Yet TheDC revealed posts from Jounolist that show liberal journalists coordinating attack lines against Palin from the moment McCain picked her, suggesting she may have had the deck stacked against her.

This is the real issue, IMO. We all bounce ideas off of our colleagues and sometimes incorporate what we glean in our own work; I don’t think it’s necessarily unethical not to attribute every single thought or position. The greater concern is that these people colluded to devise a larger strategy to take Palin down.

The good part about all of this is that it vindicates Palin and confirms everything she has said about the unfair way she’s been treated by the media and other leftist operatives. Their words are now out there for all to see. Obviously she wasn’t just whining when she complained they were trying to undermine her, both during and after the campaign. It’s also interesting to note how much they feared her from the get go. That kind of puts the kibosh on all the scoffing that she is “not a serious human being,” doesn’t it?

Mama Grizzly is coming, lefties. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

NoLeftTurn on July 22, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Almost all people have political opinions. What do you want to do? Require reporters, bloggers, editors and TV news types not to have any political opinions?

My suggestion is to require a short disclosure of political views.

Jimbo3 on July 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Back some 35 years ago when I was taking journalism classes at the university level, one of the first things we were taught was to check all of our personal opinions at the newsroom door. Especially when it came to writing news. And this applied to print news and broadcast news.

Obviously I was in one of the last classes to teach that.

Del Dolemonte on July 22, 2010 at 4:13 PM

“and one has to wonder how many other talking points from JournoList Klein passed off as his own over the years at Time.

“One has to wonder”.

Not really, if he did it once we have to assume he did it all the time.

“The magazine needs to address that issue immediately.”

I guess “Time” could include a “disclaimer” in his By line.

Warning: this article may or may not be the product of a political Borg.
Mr. Klein is a known parrot, (simpleton really) lackey of leftwing propaganda machine JournoList. As best we can tell Mr. Klein hasn’t had an original thought in the last 30 years.

DSchoen on July 22, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Jeb Bush needs to show some signs, grab Palin and go for it. He’s so quiet though, he’d take a long time to throttle up.

johnnyU on July 22, 2010 at 4:17 PM

and the climbdown, walkback, nuance and “out of context” pieces begin rolling in…..someone probably already posted it but, enjoy fellas…..everybody does it..(I mean, conspire to throw peoples faces through plate glass windows and watch Rush Limbaugh die while you withhold Obamacare from him)

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/07/journolist-daily-caller-sarah-palin

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 4:22 PM

The opportunity has arisen to take down the biased MSM, something we’ve all been hoping for. Here’s hoping we can take advantage of it and drive a stake through it’s heart and kill it once and for all. How can that happen if only Fox News and conservative blogs are all that report on it? Is it being reported on other channels?

silvernana on July 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Remember, Ed is a Minnesota Republican (CINO), the type that gets queasy and starts looking for cover when the going gets tough. Besides, he doesn’t want to get his JournoList buddies too mad at him.

Sarah Palin would have been one of the last ones standing at the Alamo, prepared to shoot it out until she ran out of ammo or was mortally wounded.

It’s important to realize that the only names we know are 65 out of several hundred JournoList members. Look for Sarah to really make hay out of this and watch her Facebook numbers really take off (she is within days of reaching the two million mark).

bw222 on July 22, 2010 at 4:32 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/22/letter-from-editor-in-chief-tucker-carlson-on-the-daily-callers-journolist-coverage/

Tucker, AP’s clubbing buddy, weighs in and turns the knife slowly….pass the popcorn folks, this is really really getting good.

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Also, to respond to some in the comments protesting that I’m downplaying this, it’s because there’s nothing wrong or unethical for journalists to converse with each other about current events and politics.

Did these journalists disclose that their opinion is the result of collaboration with 400 like-minded “journalists” in an effort to control the debate with the goal of getting Obama elected?

If yes, then you are correct, nothing wrong or unethical about it.

If no, then this is a serious problem.

The 400 like-minded “journalists” were not all in the “opinion area” of the news.
Some were regular reporters. I have to believe that their reports were tainted by this collaboration.

With the absence of “full disclosure” by these “journalists” we must assume the worse of them and their employers.

Unethical? Yes.

DSchoen on July 22, 2010 at 4:35 PM

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 4:34 PM

I always knew a Schadenfreude sundae with hot fudge, extra whipped cream and a cherry on top would be super delicious and Tucker doesn’t disappoint!

Jenfidel on July 22, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Staying rational and writing for this audience is a very, very tough job, I imagine.

Tom_Shipley on July 22, 2010 at 9:27 AM

Unlike the rational herd you run with that sings odes to Dear Leader and fantasizes about throwing conservative pundits through plate-glass windows. Gotcha.

ddrintn on July 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Remember, Ed is a Minnesota Republican (CINO), the type that gets queasy and starts looking for cover when the going gets tough. Besides, he doesn’t want to get his JournoList buddies too mad at him.

bw222 on July 22, 2010 at 4:32 PM

This is just ridiculous.

You guys are pounding on Ed for no good reason, he is a good conservative, and a good guy.

As far as the Minnesota thing, I have two words for you.

Michele Bachmann.

Brian1972 on July 22, 2010 at 4:41 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38367462/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

**breaking**
Charlie Rangel charged with “multiple ethics violations”….
dayyumn.

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 4:50 PM

headlinin on drudgereport

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 4:50 PM

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 4:50 PM

Most Ethical Congress EVAHHHHH

Cylor on July 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Rush just called the MSM the “Ministry of Truth”…..

+1984

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 12:39 PM

Such charges are strictly Verboten. There is no such thing. For your false charges you will both be sent to Room 101. If Ed Morrissey does not immediately delete your slanderous lies, he will also be sent to Room 101.

DasObamaReich on July 22, 2010 at 5:17 PM

If this was not an organized media campaign in the service of a political candidate, what would be?

Andrew Sullivan once again proves that old adage “Even a broken clock is right 2 times a day”

DSchoen on July 22, 2010 at 5:19 PM

This is just ridiculous.

You guys are pounding on Ed for no good reason, he is a good conservative, and a good guy.

As far as the Minnesota thing, I have two words for you.

Michele Bachmann.

Brian1972 on July 22, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Agreed. Lay off, this is ridiculous. Y’all should be able to tolerate differing opinions. Purity tests are the realm of “progressives.”

obladioblada on July 22, 2010 at 5:26 PM

Jenfidel

It like opening the fridge to a stink and not being able to find the source, until you open the crisper and find somebody
stuck a doggy bag in the crisper and forgot about it.

How about the anti monopoly, oligarchy laws, and/or consumer fraud?

Slowburn on July 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM

So basically it’s just being confirmed what we knew all along which is that the MSM are corrupt, unfairly biased, are unfair and will lie to advance their agenda.

Yakko77 on July 22, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Yakko77 on July 22, 2010 at 6:01 PM

As I just finished telling someone on my own discussion forum, knowing something all along is one thing, having concrete, irrefutable evidence of it is something else.

Cylor on July 22, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Nothing to see here…move along. Yes the MFM colludes to shape voter perceptions…NOT report news…what’s the big deal Oh…and there just “opinion” peeps…really no influence on anybody.
What’s that… we just elected a buffoon who is intent on destroying the country…oh yeah that….

winston on July 22, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Who ever would have dreamed Tucker Carlson had the balls to pull this off?

bw222 on July 22, 2010 at 6:21 PM

And a writer at The Daily Beast orchestrated the Palin Facebook takedown earlier today. Called her a racist.
Facebook has since apologized and Palin re-posted.

lonestar1 on July 22, 2010 at 6:34 PM

So when is Jon Stewart going to try to chastise Tucker Carlson for this? You know he will… I would not be shocked to learn that Jon “Stewart” was active on Journolist as well.

Sharr on July 22, 2010 at 6:44 PM

I couldn’t wait for this day where I knew in my heart that Journo was targeting Sarah, amongst other nutwhacks. I am very pleased on one end, and I can’t wait for Megyn Kelly to see if Sarah has a case.

After all, a group/conglomeration of people conspired to hurt her financially, emotionally and overall, hit a US State with claims these scums should pay back to Alaska, and pay HER back.

ProudPalinFan on July 22, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Who ever would have dreamed Tucker Carlson had the balls to pull this off?

bw222 on July 22, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Maybe Treacher has had an effect on him.

Disturb the Universe on July 22, 2010 at 7:00 PM

I posted this and the comment above on the other thread dedicated to Sarah.

This, for the gentlemen.
============================================================
Allahpundit, for the sake of the male base here plus 200+ hits guaranteed, please post this one. Drool factor extra, bibs for the gentlemen. This was a classic.

http://afww.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/sarah-palin-with-rifle.jpg

ProudPalinFan on July 22, 2010 at 6:56 PM

ProudPalinFan on July 22, 2010 at 7:01 PM

I had an eeeeeevil thought:

I think Andrew Breitbart knew he had a marker on him when he made his offer for the JournoList archives. Given the committed liberals on the list, he had to know he was very likely only to receive the archives as bait on a credibility-destroying trap. A trap was likely coming his way on general principles, just to blunt the impact, should someone earnestly sell out the rest of the JournoList.

So what if he intended all along, upon receipt and verification of the JournoList archives, to hand it over to someone trusted, but unaffiliated with Breitbart and his websites? Perhaps he even jumped into the Sherrod Brown trap, knowing the story will survive, not now having the name Breitbart associated with it.

Just a thought.

Sekhmet on July 22, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Yes, Ed, there is certainly something wrong with 300 plus journalists colluding in secret about how to advance a narrative that will sway the voting public toward one political party over another, toward one politician over another. That you don’t understand that this was a violation of trust on a grand conspiratorial scale is a sobering thought. Perhaps you need to reassess your reasoning and motives.

Godzilla on July 22, 2010 at 7:31 PM

As far as the Minnesota thing, I have two words for you.

Michele Bachmann.

Brian1972 on July 22, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Counter volley: Al Franken
Minnesota owes us ALL, BIG TIME, for that FUBAR “Senator”…

Khun Joe on July 22, 2010 at 7:34 PM

It doesn’t matter whether I am or not.

BTW, this would fall under federal law, not state.
And it has all the hallmarks of a criminal conspiracy.

Jenfidel on July 22, 2010 at 10:41 AM

I think she has a case. After all, Alaska suffered financially because of their meandering/ethics/so yeah, that and personal finances plus pain and suffering. That’s off the top of my head.

ProudPalinFan on July 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM

ProudPalinFan on July 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM

No, it’s not slander/libel, and she’s a public person so that eliminates the privacy torts. Intentional infliction of emotional distress maybe, but she put herself out there for VP so the bar is going to have to be pretty high. Shame is better for these “crimes” than the law.

alwaysfiredup on July 22, 2010 at 8:26 PM

You really don’t know who owns the media do you? Why is it a wonder that the target is a Christian woman? A white Christian woman?

Kenites.

True_King on July 22, 2010 at 9:28 PM

More evidence of media influence on the Jeremiah Wright story that never was…..wow.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/22/i-witnessed-obama-worshiping-at-jeremiah-wrights-church/4/

ted c on July 22, 2010 at 10:20 PM

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