Captain America now just in like with USA

posted at 10:12 am on July 22, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The new motion-picture treatment of the comic book hero Captain America has received quite a bit of buzz, thanks to the, er, brave new take of attempting to disconnect the Captain from America.  Next year’s presumed blockbuster will downplay the “flagwaving,” as director Joe Johnston puts it, in favor of a more nuanced worldview.  Allahpundit wrote about this last night, but it’s worth another look:

The director of “Captain America: The First Avenger,” the 2011 summer blockbuster that will coincide with the character’s 70th anniversary, says the screen version of the hero will be true to his roots — up to a certain point.

“We’re sort of putting a slightly different spin on Steve Rogers,” said Joe Johnston, whose past directing credits include Jurassic Park III and Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.” He’s a guy that wants to serve his country, but he’s not a flag-waver. We’re reinterpreting, sort of, what the comic book version of Steve Rogers was.” …

Johnston has been hard at work on the London set of the film but Saturday he’ll be making a whirlwind visit toComic-Con International in San Diego to promote the film. He’ll be joined by cast members too, including his charismatic, young title star, Chris Evans, who has shown a sly, wiseguy wit in many of his previous roles. Does that make him an odd fit to play the earnest and somewhat square superhero with the Betsy Ross fashion sensibility? Johnston answered that in his film — which is set in World War II – the character will fight the enemies of America but he won’t be a stiff, slogan-spouting guy.

“He wants to serve his country, but he’s not this sort of jingoistic American flag-waver,” Johnston said. “He’s just a good person. We make a point of that in the script: Don’t change who you are once you go from Steve Rogers to this super-soldier; you have to stay who you are inside, that’s really what’s important more than your strength and everything. It’ll be interesting and fun to put a different spin on the character and one that the fans are really going to appreciate.”

These days, I might settle for that, although I find the constant stream of comic-book movies tiresome.  The only one with real intellectual merit was The Dark Knight, but even if the glut of superhero films initially made for good popcorn movies, they’ve become dull, repetitive, and the CGI makes them look silly.  The presumed part of “presumed blockbuster” is probably unnecessary, although it’s been a long time since anyone heard from Captain America or cared if they did.

Of course, the mild controversy over Captain America dumping the flag has people talking about him now, and some people figure it’s just hard-Left Hollywood downplaying and denigrating patriotism in favor of a one-world view.  That’s certainly a possibility, but it could also come from a less ideological and more mercenary motive.  In order to get big-budget films made, studios have to raise money — and increasingly, that money comes from advances on overseas sales, where people thirst for Hollywood’s high production values, but not so much for American flags and patriotism.

Bill Whittle explains this point very clearly in the introductory video for his new effort, Declaration Entertainment:

He who pays the piper calls the tune … and in this case, it’s probably not going to be The Star-Spangled Banner.  If anyone wonders why the American brand gets short shrift in American movies these days, it’s because fewer movies are American, at least in the sense of funding, which is the only sense that matters.

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They would make so much money of they made movies with a slightly different perspective.

rob verdi on July 22, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Iron Man 2 is pretty pro-American, Ed.

JKahn913 on July 22, 2010 at 10:18 AM

This is worth another look? Really? Must be a slow news day, though Drudge, Gateway, and others are chock full of tasty and troubling bits of news.

Bishop on July 22, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Hollywood is so far out of ideas that they really have to go down the list of every comic book hero that has been drawn. This looks terrible. No wonder they have to push 3D…why bother about a story, let’s just try and make it look pretty.

search4truth on July 22, 2010 at 10:19 AM

So the guy with a costume based on the flag isn’t a flag waiver? I think I’ll be passing on this movie.

Rip Ford on July 22, 2010 at 10:19 AM

As I said yesterday -

Why is it that the left castrigates us for being jingoistic for our country. But the left is allowed to be rabidly patriotic and jingoistic for the New World Order? There’s no flag for it (yet) but it’s the same thing.

Skywise on July 22, 2010 at 10:19 AM

So why not just call him Captain United Nations and dress him in light blue?

scrubjay on July 22, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Well said Bishop.

Marcus on July 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM

No love for the Iron Man series, Ed? Libertarian goodness!

MadisonConservative on July 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Once again, even I, as someone who tends to disdain flag-waving, think that the idea of Captain America not waving an American flag is stupid.

JohnGalt23 on July 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM

The first Iron Man with Robert Downey Jr. was probably the best. The Dark Knight (except Heath Ledger) was a bit tedious.

Illinidiva on July 22, 2010 at 10:24 AM

They screwed up GI Joe, now Captain America, and if it ever gets the money to hit the theaters, Red Dawn. Libs screw up everything. That’s why the anti-American military movies they put out about Iraq all bombed. Well, they can’t change Steve Rogers’ name to Captain KickAss. It’s taken.

kingsjester on July 22, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Interesting concept by this Declaration Entertainment (and good lesson on how movies and Hollywood’s gone to hell).

I’m sure the left will try to find a way to sabotage this venture – wouldn’t want to go back to real American values after we’ve gone this far off the cliff.

tru2tx on July 22, 2010 at 10:24 AM

So why not just call him Captain United Nations and dress him in light blue?

scrubjay on July 22, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Because he doesn’t abuse 3rd world native children.

Perhaps in the sequel.

Shy Guy on July 22, 2010 at 10:24 AM

And another one bites the dust!

OldEnglish on July 22, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Liberals hate America, sorry

blatantblue on July 22, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Maybe Captain America should be wearing pink in this movie, since they’re turning him into some kind of a pinko commie fairy.

UltimateBob on July 22, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Sigh. Being loud and proud about your patriotism does not mean you’re an insensitive jerk to foreigners or ready to do the fascist goosestep.

Here progressive lack of understanding is gonna ruin a good character for nothing.

RAB on July 22, 2010 at 10:27 AM

The only one with real intellectual merit was The Dark Knight

Intellectual merit?

Uh. Okay.

UltimateBob on July 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM

The only one with real intellectual merit was The Dark Knight

False; both Ironman movies were excellent.

ReformedAndDangerous on July 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM

There are other marvel heroes they could have chose. As has been said, having a guy dress up in a star spangled costume but say he’s not a flag waver is just lame. Why use him at all?
But I think it’s just a case of Hollywood wanting it both ways. They want to lure in as many people as possible with the promise of a pro-america hero but whisk it away. Pathetic. Let the internet streamers fight over it. I pass.

austinnelly on July 22, 2010 at 10:29 AM

I know nothing of Capt. America, what are his super powers? It’s seems a little lame that he can’t embrace the country but we have mortal soldiers who put everything on the line every day.

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Everyone here is missing the point. Captain America is part of a larger movie that will be released sometime in 2012, which will bring together Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, The Hulk, and at least three other Marvel Comics characters into the superhero group known as The Avengers.

pilamaye on July 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM

I seem to remember a “Superman” movie from a few years ago that strayed from the patriotic theme. It didn’t do as well at the box office as the producers had hoped. Can’t imagine why, must have been the illegitimate kid Clark Kent had that he abandoned; twice. At least we know the values that Hollywood hold dear. Give me an Alex Kendrick movie any day. You just can’t get a better movie than “Flywheel”.

Tommy_G on July 22, 2010 at 10:31 AM

Real heroes don’t wear costumes; they wear uniforms. Forget the comics. Thank a soldier today.

publiuspen on July 22, 2010 at 10:32 AM

I think it is time to forget flag waving warriors killing bad guys with guns.

Like the Roman Empire, you can have six inches of armor plate up front but collapse from corruption, decadence and toxic invaders within the walls.

I will not hold my breath for those issues to be noticed by the liberal creative elites.

IlikedAUH2O on July 22, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Cindy Munford

Captain America was originally a sickly young man who joined a supersoldier program to aid the American war effort during WWII. Upon taking the supersoldier serum he gained enhanced reflexes, strength, and stamina. His main ‘weapon’ was his shield made of a super strong alloy that he could use to deflect bullets or throw like a frisbee with enough force to injure or incapacitate opponents.

RAB on July 22, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Considering that one of Cap’s top enemies (and the one who aspires to be his Lex Luthor) is Flag-Smasher, an explicit One-Worlder:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag-Smasher

…the jack@ssery of this movie is even more apparent.

If you respect the nature of the story that you are telling (like Brian Singer [X-Men only, NOT Superman Detourns, which had a similar anti-American attitude], Christopher Nolan, and the Iron Man franchise), you can make excellent superhero movies. If not, you get garbage.

ebrown2 on July 22, 2010 at 10:34 AM

And yet so many foreigners do aspire to come to America (both legally and illegally) or at least believe in our ideals.

The Statue of Liberty holds a torch high not just as a beacon to come here, but to show the rest of the world our founding ideas.

The rest of the world does like America (especially when we’re giving handouts.) It is only the fascist/socialist/communist/marxist-of-any-stripe/neo-feudalists who do not. Why is America-as-the-rescuer no longer a good theme to play here at home as well as abroad? Is America as champion of the downtrodden no longer viable?

rbj on July 22, 2010 at 10:34 AM

publiuspen on July 22, 2010 at 10:32 AM

+ One Trillion.

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Steve Rogers was a 98lb weakling, who was made a superhero through science.

Tommy_G on July 22, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Anybody ever read any Captain America comics?
I remember as a kid buying lots and lots of comics…checked out the Captain America comics (actually if I remember correctly he was just part of team of superheroes), but I don’t think I ever bought one. Can’t remember why.
And I don’t remember him or the story lines being patriotic…I remember us kids thinking somebody is trying to use the Captain America thing to get on the gravy train of Batman or Superman type comics. A Mavel vs. DC comics thing.
In the 1940s when Captain America was first introduced he was fighting Nazis and Japanese in WWII, but that was before my comic buying and reading time.

albill on July 22, 2010 at 10:36 AM

At least here’s Captain America versus the U.N. climate change panel.

Mervis Winter on July 22, 2010 at 10:36 AM

I know nothing of Capt. America, what are his super powers? It’s seems a little lame that he can’t embrace the country but we have mortal soldiers who put everything on the line every day.

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Captain America was a deliberate homage to those mortal soldiers. He was a highly patriotic physical weakling who was enhanced to maximum -normal human- ability and who was proud to fight for his country.

This take is like turning Batman into a thumb-sucking bed-wetter who hides in Wayne Manor while the Joker destroys Gotham.

ebrown2 on July 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM

RAB on July 22, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Thanks. The new incarnation doesn’t seem to be an improvement to me.

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM

ebrown2 on July 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM

“New and improved” seldom is when it comes to heroes.

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2010 at 10:38 AM

He who pays the piper calls the tune … and in this case, it’s probably not going to be The Star-Spangled Banner. If anyone wonders why the American brand gets short shrift in American movies these days, it’s because fewer movies are American, at least in the sense of funding, which is the only sense that matters.

Maybe if hollywood was not so far left and quit trying to shove their political ideology down peoples throats….they could attract more viewers and not need international funding.

Baxter Greene on July 22, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Real heroes don’t wear costumes; they wear uniforms. Forget the comics. Thank a soldier today.

publiuspen on July 22, 2010 at 10:32 AM

I agree. Ironically, that’s the point of the original Captain America stories. Steve Rogers didn’t want to be a lame-o “superhero,” he wanted to be a U.S. SOLDIER. The actual intent was to celebrate the average American fighting man, which is what the makers of this film are spitting on.

ebrown2 on July 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM

I know nothing of Capt. America, what are his super powers? It’s seems a little lame that he can’t embrace the country but we have mortal soldiers who put everything on the line every day.

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2010 at 10:29 AM

The origin story on Cap and his powers is that Cap was a weak and sickly, but patriotic, guy judged inferior for military service in the 1930s / 1940s but who still wanted to serve his country. He was given the experimental “Super Soldier Serum” as part of an attempt to see if science could be used to enhance the abilities of the average GI.

He a prototype because the inventor of the serum was assassinated by a Nazi spy shortly after the process was tested on him, meaning that the US didn’t have all the pieces to replicate the process.

It made him what would be considered “peak human”, as in “it turned him into a world-class athlete overnight”, though they’ve fudged stuff over the years to give him additional powers, such as the ability to be revived after spending 20 years frozen in an ice floe, by virtue of the serum’s effects.

teke184 on July 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Johnston answered that in his film — which is set in World War II – the character will fight the enemies of America but he won’t be a stiff, slogan-spouting guy.

What will Captain Post-America’s mission be? I know, he will help the Nazi’s feel better about themselves.

Disturb the Universe on July 22, 2010 at 10:41 AM

I don’t know anything about Captain America, but see by the movies trailers he was a serious Nazi slayer.

I wonder who the new Nazis are.

Gang-of-One on July 22, 2010 at 10:50 AM

So why not just call him Captain United Nations and dress him in light blue?

scrubjay on July 22, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Because he doesn’t abuse 3rd world native children.

Perhaps in the sequel.

Shy Guy on July 22, 2010 at 10:24 AM

I know what gets my nomination for Post of the Day.

JohnGalt23 on July 22, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Last I heard about Captain America, he was killed by a sniper. Now he’s revived how? Just by the movie, or was he brought back “to life” in the comic world?

Someone fill me in, please. I do follow this stuff, loosely. If this happens for real, all there is to check are the hardcore comic fan forums. When Wonder Woman had her makeover, lots of extremely talented people designed their own alternate version to send to DC. Pretty impressive stuff.

If there’s gonna be another type of makeover with Captain America’s uniform to reflect some weird form of “world view” or to change any attitude or personality that enraptures Captain America, they’ve got a big wave up rage coming to them. “Twilight” is nothing compared to how these folks love the comic world.

Trust me, I’ve seen it. Serious collectors, artists, all of it. I suggest to get more info on this, go to the forums these couple of days. You will read tons of pretty upset comments. Captain America fighting in a war, and he is gonna do what-get a medal for non-retaliation with his shield? Deflect the bullets away from those who try to kill him? Wow, that war in a movie like that will be one with ZERO casualties.

Perhaps the Golden Halo of The Won around the shield as a CGI effect, and a pegassus with a unicorn right in the middle instead of the star.

ProudPalinFan on July 22, 2010 at 11:04 AM

“He wants to serve his country, but he’s not this sort of jingoistic American flag-waver,” Johnston said. “He’s just a good person.”

Patriotism = Jingoistic = Bad American

I don’t know if he could have made his message any simpler.

An American Flag across Captain American’s chest with a slash through it?

Dr Evil on July 22, 2010 at 11:04 AM

1: If you want a movie with a superhero who isn’t “a flag waver” then maybe Captain America isn’t such a good fit. There are plenty of other super heroes out there to use.

2: This is set during WWII. Captain America will be fighting Nazis. I thought movies about WWII was the one place left where it was completely acceptable to be a flag waving, proudly pro-American guy. I mean… nuance? How? Is he going to be nuanced about how evil the Nazis were and how it’s really a matter of opinion if America was right in stopping them?

Sackett on July 22, 2010 at 11:11 AM

If anyone wonders why the American brand gets short shrift in American movies these days, it’s because fewer movies are American, at least in the sense of funding, which is the only sense that matters.

that is what is call a cop-out. Are you trying to tell me American ideas do not sell overseas? the fact is that liberals do not want to export American ideals. there has been no polls, studies, or actual evidence to suggest that a movie with american ideals sells less thasn a movie without them. None.

unseen on July 22, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Between a third and a half of Hollywood’s revenue has always come from overseas distribution. Of course most American films before the blockbuster era were primarily intended for families rather than middle school boys or other niche audiences so the ideological orientation of comic book characters was not a major concern, the WW2 years excepted. John Ford’s Westerns, although more iconically American than any other films, were for the most part not overtly political. Frank Capra’s movies were more emphatically patriotic but also decidedly populist. Nobody thinks of the actor James Dean as having been anything but American but his characters were recognizable American cultural types, not explicit political advertisements. I doubt you have to wave the flag in a foreign audience’s face to make a mature, essentially pro-American film.

Seth Halpern on July 22, 2010 at 11:17 AM

He’s more like a Facebook friend of America.

BDavis on July 22, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Last I heard about Captain America, he was killed by a sniper. Now he’s revived how? Just by the movie, or was he brought back “to life” in the comic world?

He has been brought back to life, although in the comics he currently is not Captain America – he’s been succeeded by his old sidekick, Bucky Barnes…..was also dead, in the comic books, for decades. “He got better.”. No one in comics stays dead; the afterlife is like a revolving door. They’ll probably put original Cap back in the suit by the time this movie opens, anyway.

But the film is set in WW2, so whether Cap was dead in the modern-day comics is immaterial.

Vyce on July 22, 2010 at 11:20 AM

“We’re sort of putting a slightly different spin on Steve Rogers,” said Joe Johnston, whose past directing credits include “Jurassic Park III“ and “Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.” He’s a guy that wants to serve his country, but he’s not a flag-waver”

Well, with Directing chops like that… I’m sure the movie will be a HUGE success.
/s

Jeff2161 on July 22, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Let’s not get our star-spangled panties in a bunch about a movie that *hasn’t been made yet* by a director who gave us a great American film already (The Rocketeer much, anyone? That was a Joe Johnston film about the Nazis trying to steal a Howard Hughes jet pack, and an American pilot fighting Hollywood spies).

This is a manufactured outrage about something that HASN’T HAPPENED. Aren’t there enough REAL things to be bothered by without resorting to the fainting couch? See what the movie ACTUALLY is before deciding you hate a film you haven’t seen.

DarthBrooks on July 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Screw you Joe Johnston. Captain America was muy favorite comic book hero as a kid, and any attempt to dilute his patriotism will result in an abysmal failure of a movie. I hope you fail.

Where has all of the creativity in Hollywood gone?

cannonball on July 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM

But the film is set in WW2, so whether Cap was dead in the modern-day comics is immaterial.

Vyce on July 22, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Watching a trailer for this movie it seems to me that CA’s WWII Nazi slaying days are used as a series of flash backs.

I think it’s a modern tale.

Gang-of-One on July 22, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Darth honey, sometimes people are responsible for what they say. Sometimes. Johnson said the following:

“He’s a guy that wants to serve his country, but he’s not a flag-waver. We’re reinterpreting, sort of, what the comic book version of Steve Rogers was.”

He is saying that he is going to change the character. Sort of like Obama telling us he was going to “fundamentally transform America.”

cannonball on July 22, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Having read Captain America when I was a boy, I have to say this is very disappointing. A real shame.

jaschenb74 on July 22, 2010 at 11:38 AM

but even if the glut of superhero films initially made for good popcorn movies, they’ve become dull, repetitive, and the CGI makes them look silly.

Hey, you can take that elitist BS snobbery and shove it up Roger Ebert’s review-hole. They’re generally well-produced and a lot of fun — and for the record CGI has made comic-book movies fucking awesome.

TallDave on July 22, 2010 at 11:38 AM

By removing the patriotism inherent in the Captain America storyline, you remove the soul of the entire premise of Captain America.

What is this? Captain UnitedNations?

I’ll not give them one red cent of my money. I *may* watch it if someone I know gets a torrent of it. Just to see how bad it is.

G.I. Joe wasn’t terrible, but it still felt hollow without them being Real American Heroes. Truth, Justice, and All That Other Stuff, you know?

NavyspyII on July 22, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Well, with Directing chops like that… I’m sure the movie will be a HUGE success.
/s

Jeff2161 on July 22, 2010 at 11:30 AM

LOL, no kidding. If that’s the best highlights of his resume, well…

And honestly, if the ‘foreign money/financing’ angle had a lot of weight behind the downplaying of the ‘America’ part of Captain America, don’t we think that you couldn’t downplay it *enough* with “Captain America” as the frickin title?

Midas on July 22, 2010 at 11:41 AM

So, in others words … leftist Hollywood greed determines the plot and characters, not the writers or director.

Greedy Hollywood leftists selling out.

darwin on July 22, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Captain Dhimi

darwin on July 22, 2010 at 11:46 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCR83LxGKkg

Says it all.

faol on July 22, 2010 at 11:46 AM

In order to get big-budget films made, studios have to raise money — and increasingly, that money comes from advances on overseas sales, where people thirst for Hollywood’s high production values, but not so much for American flags and patriotism

Gee and I thought the money comes from people who want to make money on an worthwhile investment.

LibTired on July 22, 2010 at 11:59 AM

C’mon Ed, it’s not about the money, it’s about liberal Hollywood being more left wing than anything. But don’t worry about Captain America in this movie. The liberals have no trouble supporting Captain America as long as he is fighting those evil, right-wing, racist, fascist Nazis – you know, the inspiration for the Tea party. Fighting the Japanese? Never. Fight the communists? Are you kidding? Fight islamic terrorists? Verbotten.

keep the change on July 22, 2010 at 11:59 AM

This movie is dead before it gets off the ground. Next!

Edouard on July 22, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Wow! Chris Evans, the human torch and now Captain America??? Don’t think kids won’t notice that. There wasn’t a different actor to play this part?

Sorry, but if these bozo’s want to strip away what made these super heroes…then I have no use to see them. I enjoy them myself, even at my age, but I’m not going to support a Hollywood that wants socialism, and communism. They can get their money elsewhere. It won’t come from me.

capejasmine on July 22, 2010 at 12:07 PM

The entire premise of Captain America was that he loved America. So much so that he subjected himself to a science experiment in the hope of overcoming his physical limitations and thus being able to enlist to defend her.

Anything else is just co-opting the cannon for the equivalent of something as meaningless as interpretive dance.


I know this to be true
.

juanito on July 22, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Watching a trailer for this movie it seems to me that CA’s WWII Nazi slaying days are used as a series of flash backs.

I’ve seen several people mention a trailer for this movie but there is one, besides fan made trailers, I can’t find it.

They’ve already said this is going to be a WWII period piece with Cap as a USO performer because as the only super-soldier he’s too valuable to risk in combat. Because, you know, when you have an incredible fighting machine available it makes much more sense to put him on a stage doing song and dance numbers instead of sending him into actual combat.

Rip Ford on July 22, 2010 at 12:23 PM

“money comes from advances on overseas sales, where people thirst for Hollywood’s high production values, but not so much for American flags and patriotism”

I get your point Ed, but that begs the question, why even make “Captain America” then?

brennan251 on July 22, 2010 at 12:23 PM

G.I. Joe wasn’t terrible, but it still felt hollow without them being Real American Heroes. Truth, Justice, and All That Other Stuff, you know?

NavyspyII on July 22, 2010 at 11:40 AM

What, G.I. didn’t stand for ‘Gratuitously International?’

James on July 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM

I get your point Ed, but that begs the question, why even make “Captain America” then?

brennan251 on July 22, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Because they really do want to poke thumbs into some eyes. Otherwise they’d go with someone they didn’t have to ‘reinterpret’ such as Green Arrow.

James on July 22, 2010 at 12:33 PM

I get your point Ed, but that begs the question, why even make “Captain America” then?

Because they want to make an Avengers film and Cap is considered one of the founding members along with Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Ant Man, and Wasp even though he didn’t join the team until issue #4.

Rip Ford on July 22, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Captain America is an anti-american jerk in the modern comics, so this is no surprise.

darii on July 22, 2010 at 12:39 PM

My favorite hero as a kid. Sad to see that he wants to direct a movie about Captain America, but not make him really patriotic. There’s not a lot of nuance to work with if your uniform is essentially an American flag in itself, unless he’s going for irony.

Displeased to hear of the plans for this film. Let’s hope someone comes to their senses.

Heralder on July 22, 2010 at 12:56 PM

Last I heard about Captain America, he was killed by a sniper. Now he’s revived how? Just by the movie, or was he brought back “to life” in the comic world?

Someone fill me in, please.

What I know comes from Marvel’s new line of comics called The Heroic Age, which re-starts several titles, including the Avengers. In a nutshell, Steve Rogers is alive and currently re-assembling the Avengers into various teams, but he’s doing so as Steve Rogers, not Captain America. Bucky is currently wearing the CA uniform. One Avengers team is working out of Stark Tower, and another is working out of the Avengers’ mansion. In fact, Tony Stark sold the mansion to Luke Cage for a dollar, and Cage seems to be the de facto leader of his team. Amusingly, Wolverine is a member of both Avengers teams and the X-men. He even quips that “multi-tasking” is his mutant power.

/nerd mode off

Bill Ramey on July 22, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Don’t go to see this movie. Don’t reward this stuff.

Oil Can on July 22, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Perhaps the Golden Halo of The Won around the shield as a CGI effect, and a pegassus with a unicorn right in the middle instead of the star.

ProudPalinFan on July 22, 2010 at 11:04 AM

I wonder if Captain “I hate Amerikka” will take his daughters to see this? Or maybe go see this with the wifey as one of those Government-paid Date-Nights?

dmh0667 on July 22, 2010 at 1:00 PM

I’m not incredibly familiar with the comic book, though I know the character somewhat. Does most of its narratives take place in Europe? Just wondering why they’re producing Captain “America” in London.

Scranton on July 22, 2010 at 1:02 PM

It appears Ed has fallen for another liberal narrative made out of thin air. the narrative is that maerican ideas and ideals will not sell overseas. there ar eno facts, no figures, no evidence to suggest that. Liberal hollywood made it up to be able to explain their liberal views. And instead of Ed researching the narrative insteads just blindly reproduces it.

unseen on July 22, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Just wondering why they’re producing Captain “America” in London.

Because there wasn’t a lot of WWII combat going on in the US? Steve Rogers was the proverbial 90 lb weakling pronounced physically unfit for duty when he tried to enlist to fight the Nazis during WWII so he volunteered to be the subject in a medical experiment designed to create super-soldiers. The experiment was a success but a Nazi spy killed the lead scientist and much of the equipment and lab notes leading to Rogers being the only super-soldier. He was sent to the European front where he saw plenty of combat as Captain America.

Rip Ford on July 22, 2010 at 1:13 PM

It’s been my experience that men who sign up for secret and/or dangerous missions in the service of our country tend to be “jingoistic American flag-waver[s].”

It will be interesting to see what motivation they use to get the character to take this dangerous, life-changing risk if they take out good ol’ American patriotism (or, as the left likes to call it, “jingoism”).

29Victor on July 22, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Captain America will never make Major if he bends to this sort of tripe.

coldwarrior on July 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM

So the guy who wears an American flag isn’t a flag waver? Hollywood, are you really that dumb? Wait don’t answer that.

Honestly, though, if any superhero should be an arch-conservative, it should be Captain America, shouldn’t it? So why can’t anyone write him like one rather than turning him into an over-emotional windbag who cries about everything? At least, that’s the impression I had of comic Captain America, last time I read one of his comics.

R. Waher on July 22, 2010 at 2:33 PM

Comic Books were ruined in the 90s and have never recovered. The “new breed” of production and management staff explicitly wanted to ruin the moral sense of the comics because, frankly, they were a bunch of art school nihilists.

Comic book movies have been jokes for a long time, there were a few exceptions and Iron Man gave me some hope, but I think it will turn out to be an exception.

It’s sad, because with all the trashing that’s going on now, we could probably use a few good heroes.

Merovign on July 22, 2010 at 2:35 PM

He wants to serve his country, but he’s not this sort of jingoistic American flag-waver

Right, because if you are serving this great nation in some capacity, it’s not because you really like America. (/sarc)

Rightwingguy on July 22, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Real heroes don’t wear costumes; they wear uniforms. Forget the comics. Thank a soldier today. – publiuspen

Damn right! I do everytime I see one!

Tony737 on July 22, 2010 at 2:37 PM

coldwarrior on July 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM

LOL. He’s been an O-3 for the last 50 years.

Rightwingguy on July 22, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Scranton on July 22, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Rip Ford hit most of it.

Captain America ruins the Fascist’s day by being awesome and kicking serious butt.

Rightwingguy on July 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Speaking as someone who was inspired by Captain America growing up, I think Capt. America (as has been earlier pointed out)a tribute to the great men and women who defeat bad guys everyday.

Rightwingguy on July 22, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Sorry, Ed, but I’m calling BS: where they get their funding from is no excuse. If they want to make a movie about a superhero who fights for what’s right but has no particular allegiance to any one country, fine, just DON’T CALL HIM CAPTAIN AMERICA. The problem with this is that they’re quite literally destroying the appeal of the character himself (and the REASON he exists) by removing his most defining trait: his unabashed patriotism. Furthermore, Cap has indeed opposed the government or political movements before, but he’s always done so out of a position of love for his country. That’s not how he’s presented here: it’s suggested that he’s for the world, and not for America.

I AM pissed off by this, and saying “it’s just a comic book movie” doesn’t make me any less so. Spew your political drivel in independent comics if you must, like Art Spiegelman (the creator of the excellent “Maus” and not-so-excellent Bush-bashing/911-Truther comics), but leave mainstream classics like Captain America alone.

Animator Girl on July 22, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Rightwingguy on July 22, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Do you think the changes written about here are overblown? Will you go to see this movie?

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2010 at 3:27 PM

And instead of Ed researching the narrative insteads just blindly reproduces it.

unseen on July 22, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Rambo movies never had trouble overseas, and they made the 40′s Captain America look like a nuanced, thoughtful pipe-smoking academic.

Ed’s fallen for hooey again.

ebrown2 on July 22, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Ehh. Since I’m a slavish comic book nerd, probably.

It could be that what Joe Johnston is trying to say Captain America won’t be a Brownshirt about his patriotism. That’s fine, you don’t have to wave the flag every few seconds to be considered a patriot or patriotic. Our soldiers/sailors/Marines/airmen/Coast Guardmen (sp?) come in all shapes, sizes, and political stripes and they are as patriotic as they come.

It could just mean that Steve Rogers will be much more nuanced. Granted, this is only my interpretation of what he said.

Rightwingguy on July 22, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Rip Ford on July 22, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Perhaps the trailer I viewed by googling was fan made. I don’t have a clue.

But USO song and dance man? Sounds like some serious PC emasculation.

PS: Looks like a good website you have. I’ll be checking it out soon.

Gang-of-One on July 22, 2010 at 5:48 PM

So why not just call him Captain United Nations and dress him in light blue?

scrubjay on July 22, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Because he doesn’t abuse 3rd world native children.

Shy Guy on July 22, 2010 at 10:24 AM

A little imagination in casting Bucky can solve that problem.

malclave on July 22, 2010 at 5:59 PM

I find the constant stream of comic-book movies tiresome.  The only one with real intellectual merit was The Dark Knight

Watchmen, (the ultimate cut, 215 mins), regulates TDN into B-movie status. TDN was fun the first time around but was tiresome on second viewing. Even though Watchmen is an hour longer then TDN, I still look forward to seeing it again for the 5th time.

Bill Blizzard on July 22, 2010 at 6:06 PM

I don’t care what Holywood does to Captain America. I know the hero I grew up with, his love of this country, his indomitable spirit and the principles for which he stood.

Besides, Holywood hasn’t made a good movie since Errol Flynn passed away. Drunk or not, that guy could fence against Basil Rathbone all day and not get tired.

SeniorD on July 22, 2010 at 8:35 PM

Screw this. What I’m stoked for is The Walking Dead TV show coming out this fall on AMC. Based on the comic series of the same name.
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/comic-con-interview-frank-darabont-on-amc-s-the-walking-dead

Can’t wait!!

rollthedice on July 22, 2010 at 9:49 PM