Americans Prefer Conflict to Consensus

posted at 3:35 pm on July 21, 2010 by Mike Antonucci

The Center for American Progress is a labor-friendly organization, and wants to know “Why Is the Public Suddenly Down on Unions?” Authors David Madland and Karla Walter examine this question at great length and, through the historical study of opinion surveys about unions, they find that the public likes unions when economic times are good and dislikes them when economic times are bad. They then conclude that support for unions will recover when the economy does.

This analysis is helpful, but buried inside is a point that is profound in its simplicity.

Despite their skepticism of power, however, the American public realizes that the competing interests of government, labor, and business create a system of checks and balances between these actors that prevents too much power from being concentrated in these institutions. Consequently, Americans approve of conflict within and among their major institutions. The institutionalized tension between labor and business is seen as checking the power of both institutions.

So it turns out that even after 220 years, Americans still like checks and balances. Madland and Walter find that although government, labor and business have competing interests, public opinion of them rises and falls together. The authors mosey alongside the reason for this without stating it outright when they discuss the unpopularity of the GM and Chrysler bailouts.

If government, labor and business have nothing else in common, they all do pine for what’s in the taxpayer’s wallet. So when the average American sees the car companies and autoworkers unions successfully lobby the federal government for a bailout, he or she sees collusion among all three and concludes “This can’t be good for me.”

This wariness of consensus supports the position of hardline unionists, who oppose collaboration with management on principle. The public generally doesn’t want labor and management on the same side because it distrusts their combined power. At the same time, this outlook is problematic for public sector unions, because their members are government workers, and their interests coincide with those of government. It also explains why the public dislikes corporate tax breaks. It seems to indicate a too cozy relationship between government and business.

Politicians and the press often claim that the public wants to “get things done.” What they fail to realize is the public also wants their institutions to prevent other institutions from getting things done.

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I’ve always been down on unions, maybe it’s the whining and crying they always do if you advocate taking even a tarnished nickel from their pockets.

Bishop on July 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM

People now have a low opinion of unions, & traditionally have an even lower opinion of lawyers. If we can convince/remind the public of how linked those groups are to the Democrats, they’ll be in even bigger trouble in November.

itsnotaboutme on July 21, 2010 at 3:41 PM

After watching an interview yesterday about a CA union on STRIKE, that is hiring UNEMPLOYED NON-UNION labor to walk their PICKET LINES for $8 an hour because they are too lazy to stand up for their own issues…. Uhh, yes, I would be in the “I HATE UNIONS” category. Anyone who can do a little quick research will make the connections between the early unions of the 1920′s-30′s and the communist party. Segue to 2010 – they are still here – and they need to go, save a few industries.

HomeoftheBrave on July 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM

I tend to dislike large mobs of armed men who threaten my life should I attempt to apply for employment without paying a kickback to the organized crime family who runs the business at which I’m considering going to work. But that’s just me.

Skandia Recluse on July 21, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Great title. The problem with “consensus” is that it’s the consensus of the ruling class. Only through conflict can we hope to change tide back in our favor.

FloatingRock on July 21, 2010 at 3:47 PM

This wariness of consensus supports the position of hardline unionists, who oppose collaboration with management on principle.

Like when SEIU or AFSCME make canpaign contributions to governors or mayors etc who will be stting across the

negotiating

collaboration table eventually?

Akzed on July 21, 2010 at 4:02 PM

The face of the Purple Shirted Thugs………

is the face of the Obama Administration!!

canopfor on July 21, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Blue-collar unions are a great place to find liberal-bigots and an even better place to find liberal-elites.

The Race Card on July 21, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Unions, you mean the home of communism worldwide. I have no idea why anyone would be down on them. Maybe they saw the data on the pensions they get.

tarpon on July 21, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Let’s try that again:

This wariness of consensus supports the position of hardline unionists, who oppose collaboration with management on principle.

Like when SEIU or AFSCME make canpaign contributions to governors or mayors etc who will be stting across the negotiating collaboration table eventually?

Akzed on July 21, 2010 at 4:04 PM

It also explains why the public dislikes corporate tax breaks.

Idiocy is why the public dislikes corporate tax breaks, most people don’t realize that they are the ones paying the taxes of businesses. Where do you think businesses get the money to pay the taxes? Also if you really thought about how many taxes are included in every item you purchase, you would really blow a gasket. Let’s take a pack of gum as an example.
The people who work for the factory have to be paid, taxes are taken from their pay plus the employer has to match the SS and Disability. The company makes a profit that they pay taxes on. Also the company has to pay taxes and fees on the electricity, trash, water, phones and misc supplies.
The shipping company has to pay its employees, taxes and the tax on its profit and so on down the line until you see it in the store, which also has to pay taxes on its employees and profit and water, trash, electricity, phones etc.
All of those taxes are reflected in the price of the item you are buying which you are paying for with money you have left after you have paid your taxes. And depending on what you buy you may be hit with an additional sales tax.
The tax system is worse than the damn mafia

free on July 21, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Much simpler answer–Americans believe in individualism more than collectivism.

DDT on July 21, 2010 at 4:14 PM

The tax system is worse than the damn mafia

free on July 21, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Yup. Now imagine if gov’t adds a VAT.

Daggett on July 21, 2010 at 4:15 PM

There is no economic parameters that predict the general public disposition toward unions. Most dislike unions because their job protection of union members irrespective of performance is anathema to the traditional American way that says that ones efforts and performance is directly related to ones economic status. Of course, those whose incomes are protected and even enhanced by unions love them.

docdave on July 21, 2010 at 4:34 PM

I work for a large media company here in Atlanta. No union yet, why? The majority of the people working there do not want to do that job for life. The companies where unions are entrenched, you’ll find that most workers can only get so far up the ladder. No room for promotion, unless you become a shop steward or get elected to the unions board.

Unions are useless in this day and age. That’s why Obama is trying to force them down our throats, so he can maintain his power through force instead of ingenuity or good work ethics.

Atlanta Media Guy on July 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM

This is absurd. The appreciation for unionizing increases with the economy’s prosperity? This is pro-union propaganda in sheep’s clothing. Any company, regardless of their exposure to collective bargaining coalitions, must have a perpetual goal to reduce its employee overhead by increasing employee output and installing automation. Interestingly enough, collective bargaining detests increasing employee productivity and rarely has any positive comments for automation.

The real balance between unions and Americans is probably best depicted by showing the precise amount of straw that can be loaded onto a camel’s back.

ericdijon on July 21, 2010 at 8:19 PM

Union membership has been in steady decline for decades, as seen by Kris Mahr at the WSJ.

The percentage decline in Union affiliation from the 1950′s to present has been one of continued, steady and relentless decline, not of ups and downs: it goes in one direction. What is fascinating is that this trend may go hand-in-hand with a 1999 Gallup survey on what Americans saw as the biggest threat to the country. Worries about Unions had decreased to just slightly below Union participation in the workforce (7%), big business was next (24%) and big government tops the list (64%). Even with Clinton telling us that the ‘era of big government was over’ the American people weren’t buying it.

The Leftist scare tactic of putting big government and big business together is a means to cement big labor to big government (it must have a seat at the table, donchyaknow, to counteract that bad, bad big business). Those two get you to nearly 3/4 of the threat and if you add in the Silicon Valley moguls, Soros minions and Democratic Wall Street acolytes, you get pretty close to a complete DC triumvirate.

Americans enjoy conflict, as that is what representative democracy is all about. If you want an efficient system that works according to political diktats, then you want an authoritarian, despotic and tyrannical system where no one outside an elite group is listened to and the country runs perfectly…for the elites. Our problem isn’t in pitting big institutions against each other, but in having them in the first place. The scare-mongering over monopolies, none of which outside of government sanction have ever lasted for more than a couple of decades, was the wedge to allow bigger government to ‘regulate’ business with the ‘help’ of Unions who had their own, partisan reasons to get on the money train. Now we get ‘too big to fail’ for businesses, Unions forcing their way onto the boards of companies with the help of government and other companies seeking to use the largesse of government to secure a permanent position in the economy for themselves.

I fail to see the ‘checks and balances’ there, and it is not for lack of looking.

ajacksonian on July 22, 2010 at 6:41 AM