Video: “It’s not a person”

posted at 10:55 am on July 20, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Live Action Films and Lila Rose return with another undercover video today, this time at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Indianapolis.  Their Rosa Acuna Project focuses on the propaganda and misleading information provided to young pregnant women at their clinics, some of which might arguably violate informed-consent regulations, but which mainly serve to rebut charges from Planned Parenthood that they provide a beacon of truth in the abortion debate.  In this incident taped last September, the undercover reporter asks about the procedure, and that prompts the nurse to struggle for euphemisms to avoid the use of the word “baby.”  When pressed whether a 10-week old fetus has the characteristics of a person, the “patient” gets a rehash of the “clump of cells” description:

When the woman, purportedly 10-weeks pregnant, asks the clinician, named “Sarah,” when her baby’s heart begins to beat, Sarah replies, “It’s around I think the 8th or the 9th week that you can hear the heartbeat.” The heart actually begins beating 3 weeks and 1 day after conception, according to Moore and Persaud’s well-known textbook The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology. The Planned Parenthood clinician also insists, “It’s not a baby, it’s a fetus,” which, she claims, is “not like a person.”

In the video, Sarah assures the woman that “having an abortion is safer than carrying to term.” The woman asks, “The abortion won’t hurt me from having more kids in the future, will it?” and the counselor replies, “Nope.” But a 2009 study from the Obstetrical and Gynecological Survey recently found that a previous abortion increased a woman’s risk of pre-term birth by 20%, and a 2003 report from the Shanghai Institute of Planned Parenthood Research notes a 55% increased risk of future miscarriages for women who have abortions.

Lila Rose, UCLA student and president of Live Action, says the new footage places Planned Parenthood well outside the medical mainstream. “Planned Parenthood’s counseling is based on its abortion-first mentality rather than the medical facts that women need,” observes Rose. “Planned Parenthood gives vulnerable women misinformation to sell them the abortion.” Indiana informed consent state law requires that women receive accurate medical information before undergoing an abortion.

Just remember, our tax dollars support these material misrepresentations. Make sure to let your Congressman and Senators aware of this.


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If you have no problem with killing children, you’ll have no problem with lying.

itsnotaboutme on July 20, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Make sure to let your Congressman and Senators aware of this.

Yes, please do. I can’t think of a bigger group of selfless champions than the heroes in congress.

Darth Executor on July 20, 2010 at 10:58 AM

I’d write to Barry about this, but he’s not a person. He’s a clump of useless cells.

Daggett on July 20, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Sad. Very sad.

JetBoy on July 20, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Edited doctored video!!

/supporters of murdering babies

CDeb on July 20, 2010 at 11:02 AM

They can do undercover videos like this every single day and it will change nothing in DC, absolutely nothing. The Democrats are the party of death and will remain so forever.

Johnnyreb on July 20, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Abortion is so awesome.

That’s why we have to lie about what it is.

CDeb on July 20, 2010 at 11:03 AM

A nation under judgment is a very sobering thing.

Inanemergencydial on July 20, 2010 at 11:05 AM

“It’s not like a person?”
 
“No.”

 
The party of no.

rogerb on July 20, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Out of curiosity… are these Planned Parenthood advisors who dispense medical advise… licensed to give said medical advise like nurses or doctors?

Why is it that I need a signed affidavit to get cold medicine but any twit off the street can provide abortion counseling?

Skywise on July 20, 2010 at 11:05 AM

It’s the only living thing that changes species based on whether someone wants it or not. If the mother wants it, it’s a baby. If they don’t, it’s a lab rat.

RBMN on July 20, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Why did it say September 11th when the video time stamp said the 10th?

Anyway, chilling video. Very, very effective. I love this girl.

Bee on July 20, 2010 at 11:09 AM

The woman asks, “The abortion won’t hurt me from having more kids in the future, will it?”

Facepalm.

Electrongod on July 20, 2010 at 11:09 AM

that they provide a beacon of truth in the abortion debate.

Funny thing about the truth, it doesn’t derive from consensus or from popular belief it is either the truth or a lie and PP is in the business of lying.

fourdeucer on July 20, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Drink booze during pregnancy=crime

smoke crack during pregnancy=crime

murder pregnant woman=charged with 2 counts of murder

walk into a government funded clinic where your unborn baby is sliced to pieces and vacuumed out of the uterus=women’s health

Inanemergencydial on July 20, 2010 at 11:10 AM

These young women are awesome. Doing the work your congress people won’t do!

Vince on July 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM

It’s so f-ing depressing, I can’t take this crap.

Vincenzo on July 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM

truthbombs are falling everywhere lately, and that’s a good thing

thebrokenrattle on July 20, 2010 at 11:13 AM

The computer does not lie … Only the abortion supporters lie.

tarpon on July 20, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Wrong on so many different levels.

CynicalOptimist on July 20, 2010 at 11:17 AM

The party of science.

CDeb on July 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM

A nation under judgment is a very sobering thing.

Inanemergencydial on July 20, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Aptly put, and indeed it is.

KinleyArdal on July 20, 2010 at 11:19 AM

Did you catch her sentence when the girl asked about carrying it to term, what it meant. She said, “When you carry the….” and then hesitated. She had said earlier “it’s not a baby” and now she decides to call it “a baby.” So, lady, when does it become a baby?

They know. They don’t care. Bottom line.

hoosiermama on July 20, 2010 at 11:20 AM

If you have no problem with murdering unborn babies, you’ll have no problem with murdering the truth.

Slightly tweaked, and oh so true. Kudos itsnotaboutme, you nailed it on the first post.

Dhurka Dhurka on July 20, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Indiana informed consent state law requires that women receive accurate medical information before undergoing an abortion.

So, who enforces the law and what are the penalties, if any?
Without enforcement and penalties, it’s not a law, it’s a suggestion.

Extrafishy on July 20, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Since I don’t see any faces, and I don’t see the whole video…it is obvious that it is doctored.
Planned Parenthood refudiates this video….

right2bright on July 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM

In latin medical books, Fetus means offspring. Born and not yet born.

seven on July 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM

The woman asks, “The abortion won’t hurt me from having more kids in the future, will it?”

Note the word “more.”

The “clinician,” by answering, acknowledges that the woman is indeed carrying a “child.”

mankai on July 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM

If you have no problem with killing children, you’ll have no problem with lying.

itsnotaboutme on July 20, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Agreed. Lying was mastered long before adopting abortion to terminate life. Once abortion becomes one’s cause to protect terminations, life is defined in matters of convenience alone.

maverick muse on July 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Drink booze during pregnancy=crime

smoke crack during pregnancy=crime

murder pregnant woman=charged with 2 counts of murder

walk into a government funded clinic where your unborn baby is sliced to pieces and vacuumed out of the uterus=women’s health FOUNDATIONAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!
Inanemergencydial on July 20, 2010 at 11:10 AM

/leftist

mankai on July 20, 2010 at 11:37 AM

Drink booze during pregnancy=crime

smoke crack during pregnancy=crime

murder pregnant woman=charged with 2 counts of murder

walk into a government funded clinic where your unborn baby is sliced to pieces and vacuumed out of the uterus=women’s health

Inanemergencydial on July 20, 2010 at 11:10 AM

And to think the people who push this lie are the ones who claim to have some moral authority on what it is to be a “feminist” as if not supporting such tragic slaughter on demand somehow makes you less a woman. Sad, so f’n sad.

Yakko77 on July 20, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Wouldn’t ‘Planning Against Parenthood’ be a more suitable name?

mudskipper on July 20, 2010 at 11:39 AM

So, lady, when does it become a baby?

hoosiermama on July 20, 2010 at 11:20 AM

When the woman wants a baby. If she’s having two and only wants one, then only one of them is a baby. We already know this, and PP isn’t even the worst offender of this mentality.

Esthier on July 20, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Planned Parenthood refudiates this video….

right2bright on July 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Planned Parenthood is a misnomer if there ever was one. You can’t be a parent if you don’t have any children which you won’t have if you consult with PP to have your future children offed. PP is simply about infanticide of the unborn in other words legalized murder. A society that has no problem killing their unborn will soon have little problems killing the sick, handicapped and elderly, the practice of selective genocide.

docdave on July 20, 2010 at 11:40 AM

- Closing the deal

“What’s it going to take to get you into an abortion today?”

“We lose money on every abortion, but we make it up in volume”

“Did I tell you about our clump of cell removal special for July?”

“If God had meant for you to have that child, he wouldn’t of created sociopathic killers like us that make a living lying to you to get to that baby and exterminate it”

Hening on July 20, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Why does the federal government subsidize Planned Parenthood? The “crazy” right contributes to churches, which generally don’t receive subsidies other than tax-exempt status. Why can’t liberals support PP with their own dollars if they’re so enamored of PP’s mission? PP enjoys federal subsidies AND tax-exempt status. What kind of public policy is that?

Ghouls.

BuckeyeSam on July 20, 2010 at 11:49 AM

God bless you for what you do, Lila.

And to think that she’s not even done with college yet. Can you imagine what she’ll be able to do when she doesn’t have to worry about studies?

turfmann on July 20, 2010 at 11:51 AM

The party of no soul.

rogerb on July 20, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Small addition.

Abby Adams on July 20, 2010 at 11:54 AM

“It’s a liberal,” which, she claims, is “not like a person.”

reaganaut on July 20, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Liberals have adopted a racially cleansed version of eugenics. Instead of deciding whose life is unworthy of life based on race, it is based on the arbitrary choice of those in power. This is another reason that any Christian who takes their seriously cannot be pro-choice or support those who are.

Blue Collar Todd on July 20, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Their argument never holds up, and no one ever responds to these people’s claims with the obvious. If what a woman is carrying in her womb isn’t “life” than it’s not alive, and there is no need to have any procedure to “kill” non life.

If it’s not alive it can’t be killed because it’s not living.

The very basic literal definition of “Life”

They want to argue it’s not Human Life. When was the last time any woman produced anything from her womb other than a Human Life?

Even if you are an atheist – secularist, you can’t argue the morality of killing your own species as an act of compassion. If something isn’t alive there is no need to take any action of any kind – for instance the abortion procedure.

Dr Evil on July 20, 2010 at 12:14 PM

A society that has no problem killing their unborn will soon have little problems killing the sick, handicapped and elderly, the practice of selective genocide.

docdave on July 20, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Perhaps, though arguably the opposite has happened in the nearly 40 years since Roe (e.g., Congress passed the ADA and increased prescription drug benefits for the elderly). The lawmakers are terrible financial managers, but they seem more likely to subsidize the the vulnerable after they are born than to do what you’ve described.

dedalus on July 20, 2010 at 12:19 PM

Another triumph for the Party of Death. Kill the babies in the morning and advocate for death panels the rest of the day.

Kensington on July 20, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Its safer to have an abortion than to carry the baby to term? For whom is it safer?

tommer74 on July 20, 2010 at 12:47 PM

I’d write to Barry about this, but he’s not a person. He’s a clump of useless cells.

Daggett on July 20, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Well said.

Roy Rogers on July 20, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Although the fetal heart begins beating as early as the 5th week after the LMP, your ability to detect it will be limited by your equipment.

An ultrasound machine usually will enable you to see a heartbeat by 5 to 6 weeks gestation if equipped with a vaginal probe. Abdominal ultrasound will usually see the heartbeat by the 7th-8th week of pregnancy.

If you use a Doppler ultrasound fetal heartbeat detector, you can, with effort, usually hear the heartbeat by 12-14 weeks gestation and routinely after that.

See brooksidepress.com

Jimbo3 on July 20, 2010 at 12:56 PM

So, lady, when does it become a baby?

hoosiermama on July 20, 2010 at 11:20 AM

When the woman wants a baby. If she’s having two and only wants one, then only one of them is a baby. We already know this, and PP isn’t even the worst offender of this mentality.

Esthier on July 20, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Arguing on the basis of “the will” is not scientific nor based on traditional moral. Hitler wanted to rule the world, and almost did arguing as much on the basis of his will being greater than all else. It didn’t grant his argument anything beyond self expression gone berserk.

maverick muse on July 20, 2010 at 12:58 PM

He’s a clump of useless cells.

Daggett on July 20, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Well said.

Roy Rogers on July 20, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Obama’s clump of cells were co-opted by users to abuse us.

maverick muse on July 20, 2010 at 1:00 PM

That’s the most pathetic argument I’ve ever heard, Jimbo.

Uh uh…I have really crappy equipment so…err…no heartbeat here!

Vera on July 20, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Very powerful. To think I believed those lies at one time in my life. I feel ashamed!

ihasurnominashun on July 20, 2010 at 1:10 PM

That’s the most pathetic argument I’ve ever heard, Jimbo.

Uh uh…I have really crappy equipment so…err…no heartbeat here!

Vera on July 20, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Go look at a bunch of other sites as well, like http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancycomplications/earlyfetaldevelopment.htm; http://www.ehow.com/facts_5752639_many-should-fetal-heartbeat-detected_.html; http://www.ivfconnections.com/qpregnancy.htm.

Heartbeats show up in ultrasound before they can be heard. What she said was technically accurate.

Jimbo3 on July 20, 2010 at 1:13 PM

Liberals have adopted a racially cleansed version of eugenics. Instead of deciding whose life is unworthy of life based on race, it is based on the arbitrary choice of those in power. This is another reason that any Christian who takes their seriously cannot be pro-choice or support those who are.

Blue Collar Todd on July 20, 2010 at 12:10 PM

I’m Christian and pro-choice. Deal with it, bigot.

Jimbo3 on July 20, 2010 at 1:18 PM

I’m Christian and pro-choice. Deal with it, bigot.

Jimbo3 on July 20, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Really? That should go over well.

Inanemergencydial on July 20, 2010 at 1:20 PM

I’m a principled and honest liberal.

Inanemergencydial on July 20, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Hey, not to get excited. They’re just warming up for the next group – those expensive (Obamacare) old folks with all the real wealth that they can tax to bail out Soc Sec and GM.

He told us what he believed in Illinois when he fought for post birth abortion under the new harvard Law School legal buzzword of “intent.” Who needs penumbras and emanations anymore?

Don L on July 20, 2010 at 1:32 PM

Black babies are aborted @ 3x the rate of White babies.
Planned Parenthood founder also spearheaded “The Negro Project.”

And the liberals call conservatives racist? I have NEVER heard a conservative support any plan to kill 3 times more Black babies than White babies. But that what Federal support for Planned Parenthood is.

barnone on July 20, 2010 at 1:34 PM

I’m Christian and pro-choice a liar. Deal with it, bigot.

Jimbo3 on July 20, 2010 at 1:18 PM

FIFY

fossten on July 20, 2010 at 1:41 PM

I’m Christian and pro-choice.
Jimbo3 on July 20, 2010 at 1:18 PM

We can call ourselves anything we want.

That doesn’t mean we fit the appellation.

CDeb on July 20, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Repeat post:

Bookmark Just The Facts

Shy Guy on July 20, 2010 at 2:28 PM

I’m Christian and pro-choiceinfanticide. Deal with it, bigot. A walking oxymoron

Jimbo3 on July 20, 2010 at 1:18 PM

cableguy615 on July 20, 2010 at 2:33 PM

I happen to agree. It’s not viable and not a person. But that’s the difference between a lot of us.

I would say that people stressing it’s a “baby” are lying.

AnninCA on July 20, 2010 at 3:11 PM

- Closing the deal

“What’s it going to take to get you into an abortion today?”

“We lose money on every abortion, but we make it up in volume”

“Did I tell you about our clump of cell removal special for July?”

“If God had meant for you to have that child, he wouldn’t of created sociopathic killers like us that make a living lying to you to get to that baby and exterminate it”

Hening on July 20, 2010 at 11:43 AM

+100

And so close to the truth that it’s hard to even satirize the situation.

Does anybody remember what Planned Parenthood offered to do to “help out” after 9/11?

You are correct if you answered, “Free abortions for every New Yorker – but hurry, this offer is limited to the three days following 9/11″.

Yeah, PP. More vicious, grisly death. Victims even more innocent and helpless. PP = Domestic Terrorists

tigerlily on July 20, 2010 at 3:14 PM

AnninCA on July 20, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Well, that is just embarrassing…

Inanemergencydial on July 20, 2010 at 3:17 PM

I would say that people stressing it’s a “baby” are lying.

AnninCA on July 20, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Sorry, the science is settled.

CDeb on July 20, 2010 at 3:23 PM

It’s not viable

AnninCA on July 20, 2010 at 3:11 PM

The patient will normally recover if you would just leave him or her alone for another few months.

Shy Guy on July 20, 2010 at 3:26 PM

AnninCA on July 20, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Well, that is just embarrassing…

Inanemergencydial on July 20, 2010 at 3:17 PM

On a very heated pro-life thread, some time ago, AnninCA, if my memory serves me correctly, and I think it does, because I was so disgusted at the post, AnninCa was goaded into admitting that she is so adamant about the “right to choose”, and her inviolate control over her body, and the unborn’s body, too, that that would include ending the the life of the fetus/preborn/baby even after birth, but she has her limits on that. The baby would have to have some kind of medical condition. Nice.

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tigerlily on July 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM

I happen to agree. It’s not viable and not a person. But that’s the difference between a lot of us.

I would say that people stressing it’s a “baby” are lying.

Then what is it? Clearly, science shows it’s not a clump of cells but a human being.

AnninCa was goaded into admitting that she is so adamant about the “right to choose”, and her inviolate control over her body,

You want control over your body? Keep your legs closed unless you’re willing to carry a pregnancy to term or get sterilized. Unless you show me how a woman can have two sets of DNA, two hearts, two sets of lungs, kidneys, two livers, it is not her body. It is the body of an UNBORN BABY.

Sorry that bothers you, but it’s the simple truth: sex causes pregnancy. Even with birth control. Don’t kill another human being because of your irresponsibility.

englishqueen01 on July 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Roeder took one life and saved an untold number. He was clearly a hero.

CC

CapedConservative on July 20, 2010 at 5:14 PM

englishqueen01 on July 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM

From my previous post – I think it’s most revealing that the AnninCa love affair with abortion includes infanticide:

On a very heated pro-life thread, some time ago, AnninCA, if my memory serves me correctly, and I think it does, because I was so disgusted at the post – AnninCa was goaded into admitting, quite brazenly as a matter of fact, that she is so adamant about the “right to choose”, and her inviolate control over her body, and the unborn’s body, too, that that would include ending the the life of the fetus/preborn/baby even after birth, but she has her limits on that. The baby would have to have some kind of medical condition. Nice.

tigerlily on July 20, 2010 at 5:20 PM

“It’s not a baby, it’s a fetus,” which, she claims, is “not like a person.”

This is a perfect illustration of the mental gymnastics one has to master in order to approve of abortion.

The individual is not human because it is not a baby. Killing the individual is not death, because the individual is not a baby.

Except, of course, the aborted individual dies, no matter what specious arguments are used to justify the death.

Abortion is a choice the unborn would not choose for themselves.

What about their choice?

rukiddingme on July 20, 2010 at 6:15 PM

AnninCA on July 20, 2010 at 3:11 PM

The pro-abortionist’s opinion comes from the safe confines of knowing the procedure will not be performed on them personally.

My suspicion is your position would change if you placed yourself in the shoes of the unborn individual.

rukiddingme on July 20, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Hey Ed,

You do the cause of conservatism no favors by introducing this topic. If you want to aid the Donkeys who are systematically impoverishing this entire nation and making us vulnerable on the world stage you couldn’t find a better way to go about it.

MJBrutus on July 20, 2010 at 7:06 PM

You do the cause of conservatism no favors by introducing this topic. If you want to aid the Donkeys who are systematically impoverishing this entire nation and making us vulnerable on the world stage you couldn’t find a better way to go about it.

That makes absolutely no sense, but thanks for trying.

englishqueen01 on July 20, 2010 at 7:35 PM

You want control over your body? Keep your legs closed unless you’re willing to carry a pregnancy to term or get sterilized. Unless you show me how a woman can have two sets of DNA, two hearts, two sets of lungs, kidneys, two livers, it is not her body. It is the body of an UNBORN BABY.

Sorry that bothers you, but it’s the simple truth: sex causes pregnancy. Even with birth control. Don’t kill another human being because of your irresponsibility.

englishqueen01 on July 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM

The same people that complicate this simple issue take another simple issue, like a balanced budget, and make it unnecessarily complex. Liberals do not live in reality.

Inanemergencydial on July 20, 2010 at 8:36 PM

You do the cause of conservatism no favors by introducing this topic. If you want to aid the Donkeys who are systematically impoverishing this entire nation and making us vulnerable on the world stage you couldn’t find a better way to go about it.

MJBrutus on July 20, 2010 at 7:06 PM

Translation: I and others like me will withhold our vote for the good of the country if you talk about your convictions. Meanwhile we will blame you for our lack of votes leading to the destruction of our country. Blackmail. Shut up, I said. We love murder so much that we will destroy this country to keep it a right. I know it may seem hypocritical to claim your speech will destroy the country when I threaten to take my ball and go home. Be silent!

AnotherOpinion on July 20, 2010 at 9:00 PM

The same people that complicate this simple issue take another simple issue, like a balanced budget, and make it unnecessarily complex. Liberals do not live in reality.

Abortion is an insidious and evil manifestation of the entitlement mentality that is destroying our economy. I am entitled to x government program, I am also entitled to consequence-free sex. It makes no sense and I will no longer pretend to be calm or mediate when it comes to abortion.

Liberals love to say, “Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one?” and now I say, “Don’t want to have kids? Keep it in your pants.”

englishqueen01 on July 20, 2010 at 10:10 PM

I’m Christian and pro-choice. Deal with it, bigot.

Jimbo3 on July 20, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Hmmmm… Jesus had strong words regarding those who claim to follow him, that we should examine the fruit of the spirit since…

18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
- Matthew 7:18-20 (Jesus)

You claim to be a Christian, and “pro-choice”, yet ignore the very clear commandment of God…

14You shall not murder.
- Exodus 20:14

Perhaps you don’t think that the baby is human, or is considered by God to be human. But to claim that is to ignore the very Word of God which describes the miracle of creation, the life in the womb…

13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.”
- Psalm 139:13-16

You may try to dismiss these as the ramblings of Old Testament scripture that are no longer relevant in the New Testament world, but even the New Testament declares…

10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
- Ephesians 2:10

As a follower of Christ, I have often had to deal with my own past sins. I have been humbled and corrected more times than I care to recount. Each time, I have struggled with whether my pride and worldview should prevail, or I should return to the Word of God and trust in His commands.

From His Word, it is clear what God recommends…

1Praise the LORD.
Blessed is the man who fears the LORD,
who finds great delight in his commands.
-Psalm 112:1

I humbly submit that you are not following God’s commands.

I will pray that you turn from evil, and follow the commands of Jesus Christ, who rebuked those who falsely claimed to be followers of God…

13 The Lord says:
“These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me
is made up only of rules taught by men.
- Isaiah 29:13 (reinforced by Jesus in Matt 15:8-9)

Shortly after I came to know Christ, I read where Jesus talks about the Final Judgement (Matt 25:31-46). What struck me was one word. In verse 44, the condemned, doomed to eternal fire, refer to Jesus as “Lord”. After all…

21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
- Matthew 7:21 (Jesus)

I will pray that you will truly follow the Word of God, and not the Men of this World… God bless.

dominigan on July 20, 2010 at 11:01 PM

You do the cause of conservatism no favors by introducing this topic. If you want to aid the Donkeys who are systematically impoverishing this entire nation and making us vulnerable on the world stage you couldn’t find a better way to go about it.

MJBrutus on July 20, 2010 at 7:06 PM

And yet you would seek to cover up and ignore a very real cause behind the impoverishing of our entire nation. Abortion is an abomination that destroys our children because we choose to prioritize self above others. It not only impoverishes our nation by destroying our future prosperity, but also by dulling our sense of morality, which contributes to the season of corruption we are living through.

You would cover up a trauma with a band-aid, ignoring the wound and hoping the patient lives.

How does your attitude benefit the cause of conservatism?

dominigan on July 20, 2010 at 11:11 PM

I happen to agree. It’s not viable and not a person. But that’s the difference between a lot of us.

I would say that people stressing it’s a “baby” are lying.

AnninCA on July 20, 2010 at 3:11 PM

While you may claim I am lying by referring to a “fetus” as a “baby”, I would claim you are ignorant of basic word meanings. Perhaps your mental faculty would improve if you learned how to look up words you don’t understand.

per·son –noun
1. a human being, whether man, woman, or child

ba·by –noun
1. an infant or very young child.
2. a newborn or very young animal.
3. the youngest member of a family, group, etc.
4. an immature or childish person.
5. a human fetus.

If you notice, “viable” is not a requirement for defining “baby”; nor is it a requirement for being human.

dominigan on July 20, 2010 at 11:25 PM

If you notice, “viable” is not a requirement for defining “baby”; nor is it a requirement for being human.

No. I have a very dear relative who cannot breath without assistance. Is she no longer “viable” and, therefore, no longer human? I never understand how liberals can claim to be champions of science when they conveniently ignore science in order to kill unborn children.

Unless, of course, I’ve missed those special pregnancies where you give birth to a teenager rather than a developing human being.

englishqueen01 on July 20, 2010 at 11:46 PM

I’m in the U.K, and i don’t really comment on U.S domestic issues.
It’s obviously up to you.
However if abortion is illegal, what will be the punishment to the women who continue to have one?

If it is murder ,which people say it is ,would the death penalty be considered?

Posters are against big/interference government. So why do you want the government to dictate what women choose to do with their bodies ?
Do people want the government to come between a doctor/patient relationship ?

mags on July 21, 2010 at 8:55 AM

However if abortion is illegal, what will be the punishment to the women who continue to have one?

If it is murder ,which people say it is ,would the death penalty be considered?

I think that outlawing abortion means that, first, the prosecutions should be on those who perform the abortions. The women should be fined. After a few years, women who continue to procure abortions should be imprisoned, too. If people are going to demand consistency of logic, then I have no qualms about saying if you procure an illegal abortion or provide one, you should go to jail.

Posters are against big/interference government. So why do you want the government to dictate what women choose to do with their bodies ?

Because the choice of what a woman can/can’t do with her body is limited to her body. An unborn baby is a separate, unique individual with his own body, DNA, and set of organs. A woman’s right to do with her body what she pleases does not include destroying a separate body.

If a woman doesn’t want to get pregnant, she has several choices of what to do: have sex with birth control, not have sex, or get sterilized. But to pretend that any adult woman doesn’t know that sex leads to pregnancy (even with birth control) is no longer an argument. If she wants to sleep around, make sure she doesn’t get pregnant or keep her legs closed. Abortion as birth control should no longer be acceptable.

The government has vested interest in seeing future generations are not killed off. Since Roe, some 60 million Americans have been killed; about half of them would – today – be over the age of 18 and working, productive citizens. We hear all the time about shortages in revenue for Social Security, Medicare, other government programs, yet we continue to slaughter people who would contribute to the tax rolls and society at large. Abortion does not happen in a vacuum; it’s impact is very-far reaching.

And we’re not talking about plastic surgery or seeing a doctor for bronchitis; we’re talking about killing another human being. Legalizing abortion also did little to make it safe, with many licensed clinics engaging in unsafe, unsanitary practices that result in women dying.

englishqueen01 on July 21, 2010 at 9:50 AM

I’m in the U.K, and i don’t really comment on U.S domestic issues.
It’s obviously up to you.
However if abortion is illegal, what will be the punishment to the women who continue to have one?

The same as any other premeditated murder of an innocent.

If it is murder ,which people say it is ,would the death penalty be considered?

Yes.

Posters are against big/interference government. So why do you want the government to dictate what women choose to do with their bodies ?

We have no problem with what they do to their own body. We care deeply about their killing their child, that is no more dependent on his caregiver for the first nine months, than the second.

Do people want the government to come between a doctor/patient relationship ?

mags on July 21, 2010 at 8:55 AM

No. But between a hired assassin, and his client yes.

Slowburn on July 21, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Advocates for limited government believe the state should perform certain, basic functions, such as protecting the people from violent acts. An example of something the state should NOT do would be to tax me to perpetrate such acts of violence.

Tres Angelas on July 21, 2010 at 2:05 PM