Biden: Failed stimulus all GOP’s fault; Update: Obama, 2/5/09: “I think we’re in range” Update: 2/9/09, “the right size, the right scope”

posted at 10:57 am on July 18, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Jake Tapper interviewed Vice President Joe Biden and challenged him on the administration’s new Recovery Summer public-relations sloganeering, with economic indicators retreating and consumer confidence falling. Biden implicitly acknowledged the failure of the Porkulus bill, but had a ready villain to blame — the dastardly Republicans who wouldn’t let the administration spend as much as they wanted:

“There’s a lot of people at the time argued it was too small,” he said. “A lot of people in our administration…even some Republican economists and some Nobel laureates like Paul Krugman, who continues to argue it was too small.”

“But, you know,” Biden told Tapper, “there was a reality. In order to get what we got passed, we had to find Republican votes. And we found three. And we finally got it passed,” Biden said.

But if it wasn’t for the legislative reality, Biden explained, “I think it would have been bigger. I think it would have been bigger. In fact, what we offered was slightly bigger than that. But the truth of the matter is that the recovery package, everybody’s talking about it [like] it’s over. The truth is now, we’re spending more now this summer than we — I’m calling this…the summer of recovery,” the Vice President said.

Really? The Obama administration wanted to spend more than $862 billion, and it was the GOP that forced them into a supposed Pic-n-Save Porkulus instead? That is an easy allegation to fact-check. All we need to do is re-read the stimulus proposal that came from Christine Romer and the rest of Barack Obama’s economic advisers in January 2009, before Obama took office and delivered a stimulus proposal to Congress. This proposal formed the basis for the claim that Porkulus would keep unemployment below 8% and restart the economy. How much did Romer propose spending to have that effect? Let’s look at page 4, emphasis mine:

A. Aggregate Jobs Effects

Estimating the aggregate employment effects of the proposed American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan involves several steps. The first is to specify a prototypical package. We have assumed a package just slightly over the $775 billion currently under discussion. It includes a range of measures, all of which have been discussed publicly.

The only other figure mentioned for the total expenditure on a stimulus package in this proposal is $600 billion, in a quote from Mark Zandi on the potential breakout of efforts from government stimulus on page 9. Using the “slightly over the $775 billion” model (Democrats got $862 billion from Congress), these were the projections made by Romer and the incoming Obama administration for impact on the unemployment rate — and the actual results, from Innocent Bystanders:

Joe Biden offered a flat-out, horse-crap lie to Tapper in this interview.  The Obama White House got exactly the amount of stimulus they wanted, and more.  The stimulus didn’t fail because Congress didn’t spend enough money.  It failed because Barack Obama and Joe Biden have no idea what they’re doing, and they’re proving that much every day they’re in office.

Update: From the comments, here’s a quote from Barack Obama on February 5th, 2009, about the size of the stimulus package:

While efforts have been under way in the Senate to whittle the plan back to $800 billion or less, Mr. Hoyer said he believed it should be higher, at like $880 billion. Earlier on Air Force One, Mr. Obama was asked by pool reporters traveling with him about the size of the proposal …

Asked if the figure shoud be $800 billion and not more, Mr. Obama said: “Well, I gave you a range. I think we’re in range.”

It ended up being $862 billion.

Update II: Via HA reader John A, here’s what Obama said four days later:

“It is the right size, it is the right scope. Broadly speaking it has the right priorities to create jobs that will jump-start our economy and transform it for the 21st century,” Obama said of the more than $800 billion bill at a rally in Elkhart, Indiana.


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These people have no shame. And people with no shame will do whatever it is they want to do.

Inanemergencydial on July 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM

I thought it was Greece’s fault.

IlikedAUH2O on July 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Maybe Biden can ask the FEC to redirect the $219,000 fine he has to pay to make the stimulus bigger.

James on July 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Obama malaise …

Styrofoam temples in the trash … think how stupid this looks in the rear-view mirror.

tarpon on July 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Yeah, Joe, take that into the midterms.

“We wanted to spend more, and explode our debt even more forcefully, but those Republicans held us back. Vote Democrat!”

Bwahaha.

cs89 on July 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Aren’t they holding a large portion of it back to use in 2012 election period?

OldEnglish on July 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM

I hate obama. With a passion.
But I really hate this guy.

LtE126 on July 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM

What stuns me the most about Biden’s continual tirade of lies on top of even more lies is that the man has to know that people realize he is completely full of it when it comes to his lame excuses and playing of the Blame Game on why Porkulus crashed and burned, but he still continues to lie and attempt to pass the buck regardless!

I mean, do these Democrats on Capital Hill actually believe people are that stupid as to not see what is really happening here? Are they that arrogant?

pilamaye on July 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM

OMG When is somebody going to come back at these liars and ask them what the R’s had to do with it? The D’s are in the majority for goodness sake. Nothing like demonstrating responsibility for one’s actions. Own it Ds.

red131 on July 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM

It failed because Barack Obama and Joe Biden have no idea what they’re doing, and they’re proving that much every day they’re in office.

You’re too nice a guy Ed! I think Obama, Greasy Joe, and the rest of the scum in his administration know EXACTLY what they are doing, but hide behind stupidity to get people to dismiss it. If they admitted they knew what the disastrous effects porkulus would have, the Tea Party movement would include not just the indies and the conservatives, but would include the RINO’s and the moderate left. As it is, they just dismiss it as a mistake, or some other unintended consequences.

No….they WANT to destroy the fundamentals of our society. If it weren’t true, Obama would exchange his current rhetoric in favor of rhetoric that fits what he claims are his current goals.

csdeven on July 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM

We have always been at war with Eastasia. And that’s the fault of Bush, the GOP, and racist Tea Party activists.

BobMbx on July 18, 2010 at 11:07 AM

The mainstream media owns this disaster as much as the idiots perpetrating it in the halls of power. They need to be brought down.

Inanemergencydial on July 18, 2010 at 11:07 AM

So the defense is “We havent spent enough” ?

Over a trillion dollars and employment is falling great logic there.

William Amos on July 18, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Maybe Joe’s talking about the reconciliation process between the massively huge Senate version and massively huger House version, but whatever the case, the Porkulus was even bigger than they initially proposed, and it failed. And we haven’t even begun to see the more serious consequences of waste and debt on that scale.

forest on July 18, 2010 at 11:08 AM

It failed because Barack Obama and Joe Biden have no idea what they’re doing, and they’re proving that much every day they’re in office.

Joe is used to that feeling. he was placed on earth to entertain.

a capella on July 18, 2010 at 11:08 AM

I am so sick of their constant lying without anyone calling them out. geez

becki51758 on July 18, 2010 at 11:08 AM

The unemployment numbers are still being tweaked and “adjusted”. With people who have been on the unemployment check rolls for nearly 2 years coming off from expiration, you don’t get a good picture of true unemployment. I also wonder how Geithner’s chart will hold up after this new economic bill that just passed starts affecting businesses.

Tuari on July 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM

And really, were the Maine Twins and Arlen Specter really so difficult for the Democrats to haggle with?

myrenovations on July 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM

They will never admit that they are or were wrong. Why, that would make them look like doofuses or something. Can’t be having that.

Nice lie catch, Ed.

GnuBreed on July 18, 2010 at 11:11 AM

“But, you know,” Biden told Tapper, “there was a reality. In order to get what we got passed, we had to find Republican votes. And we found three. And we finally got it passed,” Biden said.

Why did they need Republican votes? Didn’t they have a auper majority in the Senate?

You lie Vice President Joe “plugs” Bite me.

I wonder what it feels like to be Vice President in the most corrupt, anti-American, pro-Communist administration EVAH!

darwin on July 18, 2010 at 11:12 AM

So what Bite Me is saying is we should be thanking Snowe, Collins, and then-GOP Senator S.P.E.C.T.R.E. for saving us from p-ssing away another trillion dollars?

Please, please let this be the Dems strategery for 2010 and 2012. It was the GOP’s fault despite the fact that we controlled everything with filibuster-proof majorities. They’ll be out of power for a generation with such a condescending message.

Doughboy on July 18, 2010 at 11:12 AM

The wave of the future

Patriotic citizens have long been able to donate money to help pay down America’s debt. Now they can use their credit cards.

Got a few extra bucks for Uncle Sam? Since 1961, the U.S. government has accepted donations in cash or check from private citizens who wish to help pay down the national debt, currently at $13 trillion.

Now the U.S. Treasury has made it easier to donate—via credit card. In January, the department’s Bureau of the Public Debt began to accept payments via Visa, MasterCard, American Express, or Discover at

https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454.

When asked whether encouraging Americans to use credit—taking on personal debt to pay national debt—sent the wrong message, a Treasury spokesperson tells NEWSWEEK, “We make it as easy as possible to donate.” She adds, “There are many people who pay their credit cards off every month,” but had no further comment.

William Amos on July 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM

I’m kind of wondering how they’re going to spin “re-elect us we saved or created millions of jobs, unemployment is at 8%” while back in reality it’s near or over 20%. Will people buy it?

Tuari on July 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM

OMG When is somebody going to come back at these liars and ask them what the R’s had to do with it? The D’s are in the majority for goodness sake. Nothing like demonstrating responsibility for one’s actions. Own it Ds.

red131 on July 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM

I think Arlen Spectre helped get is passed just before switching to Democrat, therefore, it’s all the Republicans’ fault.

forest on July 18, 2010 at 11:13 AM

I’m so disappointed. Biden can usually be counted on to say only wise & prudent things.

itsnotaboutme on July 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM

“at least unemployment isn’t 12, 13 or 15%” – POS
Is this the GOPs fault too?
I mean, come on! you can’t go blaming that the GOP is the reason the Stimulus didn’t work and then have Kickass go out and say that the Stimulus worked last week! Did it work or not?!! How many jobs were saved and how many where created?!!

Electrongod on July 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Dumbest man in the senate now dumbest vice-pres. in history – Mark Levin nailed it!

50sGuy on July 18, 2010 at 11:15 AM

His discussion of Afghanastan really is bizarre. No, the troops aren’t there, but the July ’11 date is firm.

Whatever.

AnninCA on July 18, 2010 at 11:15 AM

The democrats in power are like the machines in the Matrix. They use the people as batteries to power their own personal endeavors. And when a citizen steps out of line, there is an IRS Agent or and EPA Agent there to destroy that person’s life.

Inanemergencydial on July 18, 2010 at 11:15 AM

First Biden says the Republicans didn’t give him as much money as he wanted, then he says “we’re spending more this summer”.

Pretty hard to complain that you didn’t get enough money when you’re admitting that you didn’t even use all of the funds yet, when your talking about the stimulus’ failure.

OxyCon on July 18, 2010 at 11:16 AM

This lie is impressive even by democrat standards.

Lying liars, the lies they lie, and the voters who believe them.

Mojave Mark on July 18, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Did Biden forgot to mention that all Republicans are racists?

albill on July 18, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Why did they need Republican votes? Didn’t they have a auper majority in the Senate?

darwin on July 18, 2010 at 11:12 AM

At the time that Porkulus was passed, Franken hadn’t yet stolen….errrr, been declared the winner in Minnesota. And I believe they also needed to make up Byrd and Kennedy’s votes because they were both sick(I could be wrong about this). Either way, they had to get anywhere from 1-3 Republican votes in the Senate.

And if I recall correctly, one of the Maine sisters did in fact demand that Porkulus cost less than a trillion dollars. So Bite Me isn’t necessarily lying in that clip. The problem is the Dems still ended up with $862 billion and it’s done nothing for the private sector in nearly a year and a half. And for him to even insinuate that the GOP is at fault here is both childish and condescending.

Doughboy on July 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM

I suppose we could look on Biden’s answer as he thinks there needs to be some adult supervision in DC. He must have a guilty conscience. Or he understands that the Dems are in great trouble and he is crying in he beer about it. Either choice shows what children Democrats are about spending other people’s money. It is an addiction and these people must be stopped. Apparently they have no way to help themselves. Well, we do. Vote every one of them out.

BetseyRoss on July 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM

And for him to even insinuate that the GOP is at fault here is both childish and condescending.

Doughboy on July 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM

I tend to think it’s more Alinskyish.

darwin on July 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM

And really, were the Maine Twins and Arlen Specter really so difficult for the Democrats to haggle with?

myrenovations on July 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Specter got a multi-million dollar grant for cancer research. Collins got a seat on the Armed Services Committee. Don’t know what Snowe got but her vote was extra, anyway. When one Maine Twin caves in, the other usually does, too, even though her vote might not be critical.

Wethal on July 18, 2010 at 11:21 AM

The point of Porkulus was to pay back supporters, including public service unions by propping up state budgets, let the Dems fund their favorite pork projects (Nancy got millions to preserve the habitat of a California field mouse), and to ramp up the deficit to set the stage for tax increases, such as a VAT.

Wethal on July 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM

The mainstream media owns this disaster as much as the idiots perpetrating it in the halls of power…

Inanemergencydial on July 18, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Some of the mainstream media is catching on to that fact and that is why some of the mainstream media is now beginning to feature critical looks at Obama and his administration.

Basil Fawlty on July 18, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Hey Joe speak to your boss he is confused !

Debt-ridden Americans can no longer ‘borrow and buy’ the world’s way toward prosperity, US President Barack Obama says.

‘After years of taking on too much debt, Americans cannot – and will not – borrow and buy the world’s way to lasting prosperity,’ Obama said at the end of G20 talks focused on ending the lingering effects of the economic crisis.

William Amos on July 18, 2010 at 11:26 AM

The point of Porkulus was to pay back supporters, including public service unions by propping up state budgets, let the Dems fund their favorite pork projects (Nancy got millions to preserve the habitat of a California field mouse), and to ramp up the deficit to set the stage for tax increases, such as a VAT.

Wethal on July 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM

The problem is they’re not gonna get a VAT passed. And the state budgets are right back at square one with massive deficits that need to be closed, only this time there are no more bailouts coming.

So even if we evaluate Porkulus from the standpoint of what it was really designed to do, it’s still a failure.

Doughboy on July 18, 2010 at 11:26 AM

This is the beginning of the CYA attempts for the “Recovery Summer” meme they’ve been pushing for the last few months.

Techie on July 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM

When will we begin to punish politicians who lie through their teeth?

notagool on July 18, 2010 at 11:28 AM

The stimulus didn’t fail because Congress didn’t spend enough money. It failed because Barack Obama and Joe Biden have no idea what they’re doing, and they’re proving that much every day they’re in office.

Money quote of the decade.

ladyingray on July 18, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Mr. Morrissey, did that require a lot of research after the fact? Could Mr. Tapper have studied the history of that legislation and done any push back or to be nicer “follow up”? At this point if the press is going to let the administration fib I have to assume that the networks are just filling air time.

Cindy Munford on July 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM

How can anybody take this administration seriously anymore.

“But, you know,” Biden told Tapper, “there was a reality. In order to get what we got passed, we had to find Republican votes. And we found three. And we finally got it passed,” Biden said.

……democrats had filibuster proof majorities in the House,Senate and they had the White House.

…..democrats did not need one single Republican vote.

….They just did not want to take full responsibility for their policies.

Joe “Bite Me” has the typical selective amnesia that inflicts all liberals:

The 7 stimulus lessons for the Dems

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18869.html

1. House Republicans are furniture

Over and over, Nancy Pelosi and her allies privately delivered the same message to Barack Obama: Mr. President, you can have bipartisanship or you can have a stimulus bill, but you can’t have both.

He seems to have gotten the message. House Republicans, badly outnumbered and shorn of let’s-make-a-deal moderates by their losses in the two elections, have proven remarkably immune to crossover appeals, as have most GOP senators.

…..Republicans were told they were finished…..banned to the wilderness….to stupid to matter.

As usual, the democrats have to resort to blatant lies to try and cover for their policy failures.

“Yes We Can!!!”

Baxter Greene on July 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Wish one of these media types would pull a Joe Wilson here soon.

They don’t even care about the truth anymore – lies all lies.

gophergirl on July 18, 2010 at 11:32 AM

It’s not what you spend, you ignorant popinjay, it’s what you spend it on.

This was not a realistic stimulus bill. It was political payoff to special interests the 0bama Administration felt it would need to get on board to get the rest of the agenda passed. This is a large part of why it failed.

Sekhmet on July 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

pilamaye on July 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM

52% voted for them.

chemman on July 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Who saw Brit Hume crack up at Bill Clinton being brought in to save the day: “They’re reaching out to save the Congress from flipping Republican to the one guy who’s been there and done that.”

Marcus on July 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

President = D, Senate was majority + filibuster proof = D, House of Reps = D

GOP had NO power to do anything!!!

Caper29 on July 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM

The problem is they’re not gonna get a VAT passed. And the state budgets are right back at square one with massive deficits that need to be closed, only this time there are no more bailouts coming.

So even if we evaluate Porkulus from the standpoint of what it was really designed to do, it’s still a failure.

Doughboy on July 18, 2010 at 11:26 AM

You’re right. Just wait until October of this year. That is usually when most municipalities begin their fiscal year. There will be massive layoffs in the public sector and no way around it. Just in time for the elections.

Key West Reader on July 18, 2010 at 11:34 AM

“There’s a lot of people..”

Huh?

ladyingray on July 18, 2010 at 11:38 AM

You’re right. Just wait until October of this year. That is usually when most municipalities begin their fiscal year. There will be massive layoffs in the public sector and no way around it. Just in time for the elections.

Key West Reader on July 18, 2010 at 11:34 AM

And won’t the muni-bond market begin caving in soon after?

BuckeyeSam on July 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM

In relation to his power, this guy is the greasiest liar in American politics. He’s the perfect complement to Barack Obama – the hot, slick liar to the cool, dry one.

But given what we know and what we’ve seen — that there is no lie they won’t tell, no lie they won’t double-down on, no extent they won’t go to avoid reckoning with their idiocy and mendacity — how hard is it to predict the future?

In the next two-plus years I think we’re going to see (and not see exactly, as much of it will be hidden from public sight) some of the most brazen perversions and traducements of our constitutional rights ever recorded (or not recorded, as the MSM won’t record it) in our history. Aside from the garden variety fascist stuff — sweeping abuses by the IRS for both preemptive political attack, more selective prosecutions from the DOJ, more SEIU thuggishness — I predict rolling blackouts of the internet and other attacks on the 1st Amendment leading up to 2010 and 2012 elections. There is simply no way — NO WAY — a fascist cannot attempt to strangle free speech. We’ve seen now that there is nothing whatsoever imaginative about Barack Obama EXCEPT his capacity to imagine ways to undermine the constitution to get what he wants, and to act on that imagination. His only true talents are shamelessness and audacity. So figure it out. What is his greatest fear and threat, the fear of every fascist since civilization? Free speech. Can you imagine if we didn’t have the internet? He can. Yes he can.

rrpjr on July 18, 2010 at 11:43 AM

This is a big F’ing Deal. Bite me.

Dingbat63 on July 18, 2010 at 11:45 AM

I blame Bush.

/libs

NoFanofLibs on July 18, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Biden is a POS

J_Crater on July 18, 2010 at 11:47 AM

All these media conglomerations with their budgets and staff couldn’t send one reporter to ask a few questions or open a file. They are complicit with this administration in destroying so much private wealth and opportunity.

Inanemergencydial on July 18, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Biden in a boldfaced lie to Tapper, and now Obama proven to have boldface lied to Stephenopolous regarding obamacare not being a new tax. Wonder if they’re going to alienate Big Media.

These guys actually make Clinton look a tiny bit honest.

paul1149 on July 18, 2010 at 11:50 AM

According to Obama…his 800 billion stimulus was the right amount needed to “jumpstart job recovery”:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/obama-rallies-democrats-on-stimulus-package/

While efforts have been under way in the Senate to whittle the plan back to $800 billion or less, Mr. Hoyer said he believed it should be higher, at like $880 billion. Earlier on Air Force One, Mr. Obama was asked by pool reporters traveling with him about the size of the proposal:

And, you know, our original figure was roughly in the 800 range – there have been some changes to our framework both in the House and in the Senate – but that’s I think the scale that we need to deliver for the American people.”

Asked if the figure shoud be $800 billion and not more, Mr. Obama said: “Well, I gave you a range. I think we’re in range.”

…..Biden having no idea what his own administrations stance on this issue was is not surprising coming from someone who thinks “jobs” is a three letter word.

Baxter Greene on July 18, 2010 at 11:52 AM

When will we begin to punish politicians who lie through their teeth?

notagool on July 18, 2010 at 11:28 AM

11/2/2010.

massrighty on July 18, 2010 at 11:54 AM

I smell desperation…and it smells good!

Honestly folks this is AWESOME! So now they are admitting that Porkulus is a failure! What an albatross that is going to be around their necks this fall!!

Porkulus = failure
Obamacare passed, but people HATE it = failure
Dodd/Frank Financial Reform passed, but people are afraid of it, therefore HATE it = failure

All of these that he is going to tout as successes are seen as absolute failures by Americans. Good luck w/that Bammy!

JAM on July 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Joe Biden offered a flat-out, horse-crap lie to Tapper in this interview.

And Tapper did what about it? If a Republican had lied like that, he’d have been all over them like white on rice. Don’t trust this guy. He seems tough on Dems, but it’s an act. He’s an Obama fluffer with a dental dam.

Extrafishy on July 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM

If the Dems don’t slip the VAT into law on their way out the door after the elections and before the next Congress starts, Obama has already revealed his plan to try and foist the debt caused by his spending on a new Republican congress that won’t pass the tax increases he’ll claim are necessary to bring down the debt and cut the deficits as the people are demanding. He’s given us a head’s up by telling the opposition that he’s “calling their bluff”, as he put it, next year when, suddenly, it will be imperative to cut deficits and debt . . . anything but spending and entitlements. Will the sheeple remember who squandered the money, and set us up for more entitlements when we can’t pay for the ones we already have?

tpitman on July 18, 2010 at 12:00 PM

All right ED. Bringing out the brass knuckles.

Hummer53 on July 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Biden is so full of it his plugs are turning brown but I think he is so stupid that he doesn’t realize bo is a marxist, he just thinks he’s a bleeding heart. Joe you are clueless.

tim c on July 18, 2010 at 12:03 PM

I blame Bush.

/libs

NoFanofLibs on July 18, 2010 at 11:46 AM

This is the campaign strategery.

ladyingray on July 18, 2010 at 12:06 PM

And Tapper did what about it?
Extrafishy on July 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Exactly. He calls himself a reporter? He either didn’t have the information, didn’t do his research, or chose to say nothing. The idea of challenging these liars should be the first instinct of a good reporter. But it’s the last. Somewhere in his beltway consciousness Tapper understands the consequences of challenging a democrat leader. What would people say? The thought is simply too scandalizing.

rrpjr on July 18, 2010 at 12:06 PM

He’s an Obama fluffer with a dental dam.

Extrafishy on July 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Ewwww!

massrighty on July 18, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Joe Biden is a perfect example of what happens when a politician with no argument tries to argue.

ChrisM on July 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Ill never understand how Democrats can get away with calling Palin dumb, yet support this idiot. He is just not a smart man, and a compulsive liar. He is the worst kind of politician…..condescending, dishonest, and clueless…..

A perfect compliment to Obama’s incompetence and arrogance.

Shame on you America for electing this man for any office…..ever.

alecj on July 18, 2010 at 12:18 PM

We’ve never had such pathological liars in the WH before. Own it Barry and Joe!

AUINSC on July 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Gird your loins (and your wallets).

SouthernGent on July 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM

The buck stops, um, somewhere way over there.

Cicero43 on July 18, 2010 at 12:24 PM

“There’s a lot of people at the time argued it was too small,” he said.

Damn these people. The largest spending bill in the history of America and,yet, it’s not enough. It’s never enough with these people. Ever.

JohnInCA on July 18, 2010 at 12:25 PM

It doesn’t matter. The lie is out there and it can’t be taken back.

People who want to believe are the same people who won’t put forth the effort to find out the truth.

Democrats depend upon the stupid and ill-informed to keep their party alive. This is nothing new.

ButterflyDragon on July 18, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Thanks, Sheriff Slow Joe. Thanks for adding more fuel to the Tea Party fire!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 18, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Can we please fast forward to 2012 and lose these guys and get someone sane to run our country? This is getting painful, it’s beyond the pale. I feel like if the Russians wanted to invade these bumbling idiots in charge wouldn’t have the slightest clue what to do, they’d head for a bunker in the Hamptons.

scalleywag on July 18, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Nobel laureates like Paul Krugman

Bwahahaha – not that these clowns have any credibility anyway, but a statement like that is priceless.

Hey Dems, if you guys can’t seem to get anything done while controlling almost every-friggin’-thing, maybe it’s time for a new team.

reaganaut on July 18, 2010 at 12:32 PM

They’re going to ram another stimulus through, I can just feel it.

scalleywag on July 18, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Conversely, had the stimulus plan worked, would he give the Repulicans credit?

rjoco1 on July 18, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Why didn’t Tapper ask Biden why half the stimulus hasn’t been spent yet ? And what are they saving it for ? Oh, forgot. Gotta pay for those DEM TV ads come november. What a disgrace. I’m one of the 48% who pay taxes, and I resent my money being used to elect candidates I despise. BE SURE TO VOTE ! Election fraud will reach new heights this Fall.

teacherman on July 18, 2010 at 12:37 PM

It is the right size, it is the right scope. Broadly speaking it has the right priorities to create jobs that will jump-start our economy and transform it for the 21st century,” Obama said of the more than $800 billion bill at a rally in Elkhart, Indiana.

Ed, don’t forget this quote from Obama from Feb, 2009. He actually said it was the right size.

JohnInCA on July 18, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Well, I don’t know if they’re spending more now or not, but I (among many, many others) suspected that spending would increase during the campaign season to prop up their Dem colleagues falling behind in the polls. No surprise there.

BKeyser on July 18, 2010 at 12:42 PM

The bastards can’t even LIE on the same page.

GarandFan on July 18, 2010 at 12:45 PM

“I Won”

J_Crater on July 18, 2010 at 12:46 PM

I remember when this passed with no Republicans in the house and only three in the senate everybody said “well, Obama and the Democrats now own this stimulus bill”. And here we are a year and a half later and the Derms are trying their damndest to deny ownership.

JohnInCA on July 18, 2010 at 12:46 PM

If only we had that 18 billion more that Hoyer wanted everything would be fine now! Damn you GOP, damn you all to hell!!

Caper29 on July 18, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Don’t stay depressed

J_Crater on July 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM

FOX News is currently airing a segment on the Funemployed. Why is this post even important? This recession is so awesome! /

Johnson on July 18, 2010 at 12:55 PM

J_Crater on July 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM

LOL

ladyingray on July 18, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Spend, spend, spend, lie, lie, lie. Despicable. How can anyone like this administration?

scalleywag on July 18, 2010 at 1:02 PM

horsecrap lie

That’s good Ed but elephant crap is a better metaphor. Much larger pile and smells worse too!

wepeople on July 18, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Joe could have said something like this:

“Hey … give me a f…ing break! Copying other’s work is much ado about nothing. That said, I wouldn’t go anywhere in confined places right now – because if one person sneezes!

And, as I said before about the stimulus, if we do everything, if we do it with absolute certainty, there’s still a 30% chance we’re going to get it wrong.

So, just recall that I had my choice of being V.P or Sec’y of State, okay? Even though Hillary might have been a better pick than me.

People should support or President, Barack America, because he is the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean, and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man. And, he actually did finish in the top half of his law school class … heh!

Seriously, though, we need to fundamentally alter the course of history, and not restore anything. Just remember, Franklin Roosevelt got on T.V. in 1929 and solved the Depression. And Judge Sotomeyer has your back. And so did the another one that’s leaving …one of the great justices who swore me in, Justice Stewart … uh, so, okay, we probably should have sent Iran a $200 million check right after 9/11, and partitioned Iraq, but the Republicans wouldn’t give us any votes, because we are right on the cusp of understanding that non-action is action, unlike most generations.

This is all about a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs.

Oh. And while you’re at it, you can check that all out on our website number.’

Trochilus on July 18, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Biden reminds me of Frank Burns from MASH.

CWforFreedom on July 18, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Typical Democrat tactic- lie about the facts and then blame it on Republicans knowing that their lie will be repeated by the media with little to no fact checking. Same thing they’ve been doing for years now.

Come November the accepted wisdom will be that evil Republicans forced the Democrats not to spend the precise amount needed to save the economy (you know, from the crisis Democrat legislators had no part in creating).

These people make me sick.

Jay Mac on July 18, 2010 at 1:26 PM

The shock, and contempt is not at Bidens lies. We all know he does this as often as he can when he thinks it benefits Democrats politically.

For me, the even bigger issue is….just how many idiots will see this, and believe it!

capejasmine on July 18, 2010 at 1:26 PM

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