Biden: Failed stimulus all GOP’s fault; Update: Obama, 2/5/09: “I think we’re in range” Update: 2/9/09, “the right size, the right scope”
posted at 10:57 am on July 18, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Jake Tapper interviewed Vice President Joe Biden and challenged him on the administration’s new Recovery Summer public-relations sloganeering, with economic indicators retreating and consumer confidence falling. Biden implicitly acknowledged the failure of the Porkulus bill, but had a ready villain to blame — the dastardly Republicans who wouldn’t let the administration spend as much as they wanted:
“There’s a lot of people at the time argued it was too small,” he said. “A lot of people in our administration…even some Republican economists and some Nobel laureates like Paul Krugman, who continues to argue it was too small.”
“But, you know,” Biden told Tapper, “there was a reality. In order to get what we got passed, we had to find Republican votes. And we found three. And we finally got it passed,” Biden said.
But if it wasn’t for the legislative reality, Biden explained, “I think it would have been bigger. I think it would have been bigger. In fact, what we offered was slightly bigger than that. But the truth of the matter is that the recovery package, everybody’s talking about it [like] it’s over. The truth is now, we’re spending more now this summer than we — I’m calling this…the summer of recovery,” the Vice President said.
Really? The Obama administration wanted to spend more than $862 billion, and it was the GOP that forced them into a supposed Pic-n-Save Porkulus instead? That is an easy allegation to fact-check. All we need to do is re-read the stimulus proposal that came from Christine Romer and the rest of Barack Obama’s economic advisers in January 2009, before Obama took office and delivered a stimulus proposal to Congress. This proposal formed the basis for the claim that Porkulus would keep unemployment below 8% and restart the economy. How much did Romer propose spending to have that effect? Let’s look at page 4, emphasis mine:
A. Aggregate Jobs Effects
Estimating the aggregate employment effects of the proposed American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan involves several steps. The first is to specify a prototypical package. We have assumed a package just slightly over the $775 billion currently under discussion. It includes a range of measures, all of which have been discussed publicly.
The only other figure mentioned for the total expenditure on a stimulus package in this proposal is $600 billion, in a quote from Mark Zandi on the potential breakout of efforts from government stimulus on page 9. Using the “slightly over the $775 billion” model (Democrats got $862 billion from Congress), these were the projections made by Romer and the incoming Obama administration for impact on the unemployment rate — and the actual results, from Innocent Bystanders:
Joe Biden offered a flat-out, horse-crap lie to Tapper in this interview. The Obama White House got exactly the amount of stimulus they wanted, and more. The stimulus didn’t fail because Congress didn’t spend enough money. It failed because Barack Obama and Joe Biden have no idea what they’re doing, and they’re proving that much every day they’re in office.
Update: From the comments, here’s a quote from Barack Obama on February 5th, 2009, about the size of the stimulus package:
While efforts have been under way in the Senate to whittle the plan back to $800 billion or less, Mr. Hoyer said he believed it should be higher, at like $880 billion. Earlier on Air Force One, Mr. Obama was asked by pool reporters traveling with him about the size of the proposal …
Asked if the figure shoud be $800 billion and not more, Mr. Obama said: “Well, I gave you a range. I think we’re in range.”
It ended up being $862 billion.
Update II: Via HA reader John A, here’s what Obama said four days later:
“It is the right size, it is the right scope. Broadly speaking it has the right priorities to create jobs that will jump-start our economy and transform it for the 21st century,” Obama said of the more than $800 billion bill at a rally in Elkhart, Indiana.
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Kind of like communism was good for the youth, religions, and the artists.
acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 8:45 PM
Surprised there wasn’t a “donate button” at the bottom of her webpage.
can_con on May 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Congratulations class of 2013, you managed to graduate without learning critical thinking skills. You have been programmed to be compliant to the state from which all your needs and desires will come. Don’t bother looking for meaningful employment, as we have ruined any chance of you being independent and self determined. Everything you say and do can and will be used against you if you show any signs of resistance to the state. You will not enjoy any privacy. Welcome to Amerika.
tom daschle concerned on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM
I will gladly
payrob you Tuesday for thehamburgerDeath Panels you buy for me today.—————— Joe Mengele Sebelius, Death Panels Kommandant.
viking01 on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM
Um..I just have to comment…pre-existing condition of acne?? WTF
BeachBum on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM
Great job kids, you’ll be excited to know being dependent on us is now easier than ever!
rightmind on May 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM
I’m tired of this BS meme about “robbing our childrens’ futures”. This is simple thievery, and we’re being stolen from NOW through inflation, and means nothing to most voters…they’re used to living in debt and the numbers are so staggering it simply doesn’t compute for them. Oh, and…they believe that the Wizards of Wall Street and the Gov’t surely know what they’re doing and will fix everything.
So, it doesn’t mean anything to enough people to make a difference at the polls. Besides, even if it did, how much more would the GOP get is into debt? They’ve done it before.
Dr. ZhivBlago on May 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM
There’s an old joke that goes, “I want to live long enough to be a burden to my kids.”
Obamacare is going to guarantee I am, along with a lot of other people my age and older.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Not if your parents lose their employer provided insurance and get thrown on the exchanges.
Curtiss on May 22, 2013 at 8:56 PM
Nurse Diesel was born 60 years too late. She would have made a marvelous Nazi and Associate of Dr. Mengele. Pity…
/SPARC
glcinpdx on May 22, 2013 at 8:57 PM
Nurse Diesel was born 60 years too late. She would have made a marvelous Nazi and Associate of Dr. Mengele. Pity…
/SARC
glcinpdx on May 22, 2013 at 8:58 PM
I was at a party this past weekend, a rather daper young man of 80 years told a “funny but true” joke.
He asked at Social Security how he was going to get back all that he had paid in. The lady looked up his numbers, and told him with interest, it would take 32 more years to pay him back.
He looked me straight in the eye and said
If you knew Don, you could believe that.
JusDreamin on May 22, 2013 at 9:05 PM
Of course you can get Plan B at age 15.
You can drive a car at 16.
You can vote at age 18.
You can legally drink at 21.
You can serve in the military.
But when it comes to healthcare, you can mooch off your parents until you’re old enough that you probably have a family of your own. Here’s to being a responsible adult or something.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:14 PM
Good if you are going to be a government worker.
Guess there might be some openings in the IRS soon…
ProfShadow on May 22, 2013 at 9:15 PM
I doubt any but the most serious and earnest of young Democrats are actually going to find their way to the HHS blog. I mean, how many here even knew there was one? I didn’t.
Even if they are aware of her statement, all Sebelius’ words won’t mean a thing when members of the class of 2013 can’t find work or can only find part-time work thanks to Obamacare or when they see differences in their paycheck because of Obamacare.
INC on May 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM
How many parents will subsidize their “kids” until they’re 26? I won’t.
Charlemagne on May 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM
Somehow, though, I can’t feel sorry for these college kids who, their first time voting, voted for Obama. And for those who voted for him twice. And let their liberal parents who voted Obama suffer just like the rest of us.
While I deplore this law and wish it be repealed, I’m going to enjoy seeing liberals suffer for the laws they wanted but didn’t always have to heed. Now, for the first time, liberals have to pay, too.
“Welcome to the party, pal!”
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:20 PM
I have little faith in the young. They get their news from Colbert and Stewart and couldn’t tell you where Canada is on a map let alone intelligently explain international affairs. Many of them will happily sign up for that “free” healthcare.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:21 PM
Maybe she can explain why she broke the law & why she was extorting money from organization she was ‘lover’s….it will give her some practice before she has to do it before CONGRESS!
easyt65 on May 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM
Well good for you! I knew that the financial support was cut off the minute I graduated from college. Of course, I had a job and wasn’t back in my childhood race car bed because of the lousy economy.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:24 PM
Well, remember that campaign ad. They wanted their first time to be special.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:26 PM
Well, they gave it up to a psycho, and he’ll forever be like a stalker.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM
“You vill drink zee Obamakare, und you vill enchoy it! Ja?”
slickwillie2001 on May 22, 2013 at 9:32 PM
What year did Sebelius run in the Kentucky Derby?
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM
Yeah, it’s like a Lifetime Movie Network script.
Innocent happy young people graduate from college. Before you know it they’re enrolled in Obamacare, have to trade their cool phones in for Obamaphones because they don’t have any income. They turn on the television to see Mooch lecturing them to eat their vegetables. It is as if they’ve lost their real families and been adopted by the Obamas. Or more accurately they’ve been recruited into the radical left-wing party of which Obama is the cult leader.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM
Hah! Trick question. Sebelius isn’t a mudder and got scratched before the race for fear that the track conditions would result in a broken leg. Thus eliminating any chance of stud fees.
Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 10:00 PM
Chickens coming home to roost.
.Left wing professorial nuts in colleges teach kids socialism.
.left wing indoctrinated college freaks elect Obama president.
.Obama appoints whackos like Sebelius and the IRS to propose and administer Obamacare and other lunatic government programs (government “problems” would be more apt.)–all over-funded, job-killing and cancerous.
.Left wing indoctrinated college freaks not only can’t afford Obamacare but they can’t get any jobs because of it.
.In a no-job market the only openings available for poorly trained, unqualified left wing indoctrinated college freaks is to become left wing professorial nuts themselves. Problem is-only one opening per 75,000 applicants.
MaiDee on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM
This. Only recently has it even been physically possible for me to go apartment shopping. And the state of the job market basically robs you of all career choice.
Seriously, you wanna be depressed to the core of your being? Try writing out a budget and realizing 9 hour shifts of putting up with flappy-mouthed rudesters for co’work’ers and being abused by dumb angry proles who want everything for free will BARELY provide enough money to exist on.
Would be a lot more money for me if it wasn’t being taken to feed the Democrat ‘minority’ voting blocs…
MelonCollie on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM
Exactly. Even with all manner of Federal subsidies, there are only so many ‘jobs’ for overpaid wind-up puppets. The rest of us actually have to find real employment, which is currently about like panning for gold at your local public pool.
MelonCollie on May 22, 2013 at 10:58 PM
Nah, there are plenty of jobs for them. Obama wants his domestic national police force, equipped as well as the military. 3 hots and a cot along with all the “personal defense weapons” and “weapons of war” you can want with that new authoritah.
oryguncon on May 22, 2013 at 11:24 PM
Well, except for that really, really high insurance premium – you know, that one that you’re required to purchase. Oh sure, you probably wouldn’t have purchased insurance at such a young age – but if we’re going to offset the costs associated with insuring people with preexisting conditions – we need to you to pay your fair share. See? Doesn’t that feel good?
Sure hope you find a good-paying job… you’re going to need it!
Hill60 on May 23, 2013 at 12:04 AM
I still think that in this picture she looks like Dana Carvey as The Church Lady.
bugsy on May 23, 2013 at 5:42 AM
I don’t understand why there is never any pushback from the GOP or commentators on the stupid claim that insurance companies discriminate with higher premiums based on being a woman. What they are referring to is that insurance is typically higher for a woman of child bearing age than a similarly aged man. Well, duh that’s because women can get pregnant and men can’t and so they are at a higher risk of causing higher payouts. I know my six pregnancies cost our insurance company a lot more money than my husband did at the same age. To force a single male to pay the same rates as a single female during childbearing years is redistribution for the sake of politics/feminist agenda pure and simple.
txmomof6 on May 23, 2013 at 5:52 AM
I despise this Sebelius woman.
locomotivebreath1901 on May 23, 2013 at 6:12 AM
to the class of 2013:
good luck finding a job; and don’t forget to pay your obamacare ‘taxes’ or the IRS will be coming for you.
you voted for these socialists; welcome to the real world chumps!
burserker on May 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM
In charge of your medical records.
Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 3:16 PM