Rubio vs Maddow: Who’s more mainstream?

posted at 3:45 pm on July 17, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Marco Rubio offered a detailed plan this week for restoring the nation to financial health as well as another focused on rescuing the Gulf area economy.  Rachel Maddow offered … ad hominem criticism in response.  Rubio offers a simple test for those unsure which side they should take in this debate.  Those who support extending the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, reforming the AMT, blocking passage of a value-added tax (VAT), protect the right of workers to cast secret ballots in union organizing elections, stopping cap-and-trade, and repealing ObamaCare, welcome to the Rubio campaign.  Those who oppose it should be sure to tune into MSNBC at 9 ET:

Rachel Maddow has slightly under a million viewers across the country, losing just a few thousand viewers from her Keith Olbermann lead-in, which is, er, less than half of Sean Hannity’s audience on Fox.  I’d guess that Marco Rubio will get at least three times as many votes in Florida alone in November as there are total people watching Maddow’s show.  If there’s a test, the winner should be fairly clear.


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Rachel Maddcow is not worth listening to. I will go to Marcos’ website to read his plan.

hawkman on July 17, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Maddow is a good person to use as a foe or foil for Rubio. Well known enough, but definitely not in the mainstream. I know these MSNBC types like to think they are in the majority because Obama won, but they are badly mistaken.

forest on July 17, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Hahaha. I love this. When I read the write up, I thought this was your take, but I really love that Marco put this idea into an ad. More please!

El_Terrible on July 17, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Maddow ,Kathy Griffin,Sheila Jackson Lee, Garofalo.

Whats the difference .

Texyank on July 17, 2010 at 3:59 PM

All you need to know about Mad Cow is that she was born on April Fool’s Day. Fitting, doncha think?

Of course, she has absolutely no formal journalistic training, and in fact got her first job in “media’ by entering and then winning a contest.

Only in America!

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2010 at 4:06 PM

If the Congress extends cut taxes then they better be ready to cut spending, otherwise tax cuts are meaningless.

I would also suggest treating ethically challenged white collar criminals (CEO’s)who game the system like drug dealers and sentencing them to hard time.

Republicans should be for minimal but firmly enforced business regulations.

rickyricardo on July 17, 2010 at 4:07 PM

Rubio is spending good time bickering with Maddow. It’s productive.

lorien1973 on July 17, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Come on FL, please vote for Marco over crist. Thank you.
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letget on July 17, 2010 at 4:11 PM

Butch Maddow isn’t qualified to shine Rubio’s shoes. But I bet she’d want to.

platypus on July 17, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Rachel Maddow tries to come across as a cross between Tingles Matthews and Olby, but she always ends up looking like a blathering refugee from a Dykes On Bikes convention.

pilamaye on July 17, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Of course, she has absolutely no formal journalistic training, and in fact got her first job in “media’ by entering and then winning a contest.

Only in America!

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2010 at 4:06 PM

The list of people on cable news that lack any formal journalistic training is a very, very, very long one.

SnarkVader on July 17, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Well known enough, but definitely not in the mainstream.

forest on July 17, 2010 at 3:54 PM


Well known enough?
You’re kidding right? You mean by all three of his viewers?

rightside on July 17, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Rubio’s proposals are solid. HE actually has a policy proposal unlike his opponent Charlie Crist.

Charlie Crist cant even decide which baseball team to root for.

Maddow is just a pimple on the backside of a fading MSM.

Nelsa on July 17, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Madcow is unwatchable. And it has nothing to do with the fact that the dude looks like Fred Savage. The show is full of lies, halftruths, DNC talking points, and a host who thinks she’s way funnier and intelligent than she really is.

Doughboy on July 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM

hawkman — Agree, why would anybody do it unless forced to listen.

tarpon on July 17, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Doughboy on July 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Fred Savage? That is priceless.

platypus on July 17, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Of course, she has absolutely no formal journalistic training, and in fact got her first job in “media’ by entering and then winning a contest.

Only in America!

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Point taken. But considering the a**hats that do have formal journalistic training I’m unconvinced as to it’s overall value.

chemman on July 17, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Thanks for filling my Maddow-watching quota for the year, don’t get why she’s so popular. There’s something about the way she speaks, I don’t know if it’s the cadence or the “filling you in on the inside joke” under her breath thing, it’s like someone trying to muffle the sound of their farting with a couch cushion…

Kind of sounds like the teacher in the Peanuts cartoons too.

Mike in GB on July 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM

considering the a**hats that do have formal journalistic training I’m unconvinced as to it’s overall value.

chemman on July 17, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Saw a great article by Steve McCann at American Thinker about this very issue this morning. Excerpt:

The other major enabler of President Obama is the mainstream media. When will they collectively come to their senses and begin to realize that this new and transformed America as envisioned by this President and his radical cohorts will be one that they too will have to live in? That they and their progeny will not be exempt from confiscatory taxes, onerous regulations, stagnant job creation, and a dramatically eroded and rationed health care system.

This march to the media’s present role of being in league with the Obama administration is the culmination of the good versus evil bias of modern journalism. The contemporary process of determining who were the righteous and who the villains were began over 45 years ago.

In the 1960′s a social revolution took place against historical and societal norms. An era of peace and prosperity unprecedented in the history of mankind was underway in the United States, allowing a new generation, who had never experienced hardship on a massive scale, to focus on hedonistic pursuits, self-aggrandizement and a search for meaning in their lives.

This movement was promptly seized by the true-believers of the Left as a recruiting tool; Leftists proclaimed to the gullible that the United States was an unjust, repressive tool of capitalism. The siren song of a classless society wherein all are treated fairly and there are no absolutes found eager ears. The protests against the Vietnam War and then the very necessary civil rights movement, which achieved so much, were hijacked by many of the post-depression generation into a call to overthrow all of society’s foundational standards.

The protests surrounding the Vietnam War and then Watergate, that most infamous of scandals, not only gave rise to the resignation of a President but accelerated the virulent polarization of politics and the beginning of the end of the impartial mainstream media.

As a consequence of the media’s perception of their role in ending the Vietnam War and Watergate, the press began to look upon themselves not as neutral reporters of the news but rather as a crusaders out to right the wrongs, as they perceived them, of the United States. Journalism, as taught in university and promoted by those who had been active in the 1960′s, came to be viewed not as an independent watchdog of government regardless of who was in charge but rather as a vehicle for social and economic change.

As further incentive, the journalists who successfully assumed the role of “societal avenger” were feted by their fellow scribes, became celebrities and coincidently achieved great wealth. This, in addition to any so-called noble calling to transform the United States, became a vital part of the metamorphoses of journalism from news gathering to news manipulation and the naïve promotion of a radical leftist ideology.

Over the intervening years and into the present, the far-Left effectively promoted: 1) the false and unfounded libel of a desire by conservatives to turn the United States into a theocracy and, 2) guilt for the nation’s past and one’s success. These tactics became the basis for many of the gullible in the media to promote the policies of the Progressives without understanding what in fact the end game was.

It became more important and fashionable for a majority in the media to protect their lifestyles against the “right-wing horde” descending upon them and to assuage their guilt rather than comprehend what was happening around them, or the controlling agenda they unwittingly supported.

Thus the coverage of news stories concerning conservative issues or politicians became notable for vitriol and deliberate slanting or omission of facts. Polls, commissioned by the media and easily manipulated, were substituted for news and real reporting. Every personal failure of a Republican politician was amplified into a national outcry. All civility and traditional objectivity was rejected when discussing the (predeterminedly) evil conservatives.

By comparison those politicians who said the right things relative to morals and lifestyles and used the magic phrase of “social justice” were treated in an opposite fashion — except when a story, thanks to the alternate media, became too big to ignore.

This 45 year evolution of the mainstream media culminated in the election of Barack Obama, who on the surface fulfilled all the requirements of an ideal presidential candidate for the chattering class. He was one of them — Ivy League educated, well spoken, attractive, and capable of saying all the right things designed to appeal to the myopic worldview of the New York-Washington media axis. But above all he was African-American, an opportunity to wash away the collective guilt so embedded in the psyche of the press.

Barack Obama also knew that he had those tangible and intangible factors and he used them to manipulate the press. The mainstream media willingly became, in phrase often attributed to Lenin, useful idiots. Obama’s background and radicalism were ignored and all effort was exerted to tamp down negative stories to make certain he was elected.

Yet after a year and a half of the Obama administration, the very members of the media that so prostituted themselves are being treated with outright disdain by their Idol, and they will be among those to suffer the most under his policies.

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2010 at 4:54 PM

The Messed Up People Show

MSNBC should fund research to discover what screwed up their prime time hosts. I know a shrink with some theories. I don’t agree with him but I am not an expert.

They could make a reality show for the weekends.

That may get some viewers.

IlikedAUH2O on July 17, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Speaking of ad hominem, Maddow looks like a teen-age boy.

WasatchMan on July 17, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Kind of sounds like the teacher in the Peanuts cartoons too.

Mike in GB on July 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Mike has said all that needs to be said.

abobo on July 17, 2010 at 5:03 PM

I call him Rachel Manhands.

mrt721 on July 17, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Thanks for filling my Maddow-watching quota for the year, don’t get why she’s so popular.

I hear that it’s only to see if they are wearing the same plaid flannel shirt that she is and then high-fiving the TV.

ericdijon on July 17, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Maddow ,Kathy Griffin,Sheila Jackson Lee, Garofalo.

Whats the difference .

Texyank on July 17, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Certain vowels, consenants and their sequence.

CC

CapedConservative on July 17, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Why is Rubio wasting time debating a lesbian on a tv show that 50 people watch while Crist is making him look like an emptyheaded do-nothing?

Speedwagon82 on July 17, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Maddow ,Kathy Griffin,Sheila Jackson Lee, Garofalo.

Whats the difference .

Texyank on July 17, 2010 at 3:59 PM

For one thing, we pay the salary and benefits of that worthless Sheila Jackson.

BuckeyeSam on July 17, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Speaking of ad hominem, Maddow looks like a teen-age boy Fred Savage (Wonder Years, Working).

WasatchMan on July 17, 2010 at 5:02 PM

FIFY.

BuckeyeSam on July 17, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Speaking of ad hominem, Maddow looks like a teen-age boy.

WasatchMan on July 17, 2010 at 5:02 PM

LOL

ladyingray on July 17, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Who is this Maddow person and why should I care about her?

trapeze on July 17, 2010 at 6:55 PM

Strange but true:
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Higher tax rates result in less tax revenue.
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esblowfeld on July 17, 2010 at 8:36 PM

The two shouldn’t be mentioned in the same paragraph, the same breath, or the same day for that matter; much less in the same sentence.

That lady* has some issues.

*artistic license

hillbillyjim on July 17, 2010 at 8:44 PM

Speaking of ad hominem, Naturoboy is a twit.

hillbillyjim on July 17, 2010 at 8:46 PM

hillbillyjim on July 17, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Oops. I forgot my self-imposed moratorium on that one. Never again.

Ignore is the word of the day, hillbilly.

hillbillyjim on July 17, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Maddow ,Kathy Griffin,Sheila Jackson Lee, Garofalo.

Whats the difference .

Texyank on July 17, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Don’t forget Joyless from The Left’s View!

itsnotaboutme on July 17, 2010 at 9:39 PM

All you need to know about Mad Cow is that she was born on April Fool’s Day. Fitting, doncha think?

Of course, she has absolutely no formal journalistic training, and in fact got her first job in “media’ by entering and then winning a contest.

Only in America!

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Heeey-my son was born on April Fools Day(he’s definitely got fools for parents) and he’s looking forward to casting his first vote in 2012…against Obama!

annoyinglittletwerp on July 18, 2010 at 1:31 AM

Who is this Maddow guy everbody’s talking about?…

And why do they keep calling him “Rachel”?

SalHansen on July 18, 2010 at 3:30 AM

You don’t get mainstream by looking like a 14 year old boy with a bad haircut unless you dance a lot…like Ellen.

TheBlueSite on July 18, 2010 at 5:28 AM

Maddow ,Kathy Griffin,Sheila Jackson Lee, Garofalo.
Whats the difference .
Texyank on July 17, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Wait………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..Naw, nothing, drawing a blank here.

DSchoen on July 18, 2010 at 5:50 AM

I was forced to watch Maddow on sometimes as many as 3 tvs at once while I did Cardio at my local LA Fitness. I complained to the staff – but they claimed that programming changes had to come from the ‘corporate office’ whatever that meant.

The facilities at this place were great and the price was cheap. Still Cardio is hard enough to do on a regular basis w/out having MSNBC forced down your throat.

So I terminated my membership – and not work out at the local Ballys – further, not as nice, a little more dough, but at least I the staff will put on the White Sox while I run on the treadmill.

moc23 on July 18, 2010 at 9:39 AM

So that’s what became of Wil Wheaton.

50sGuy on July 18, 2010 at 11:45 AM

I was forced to watch Maddow on sometimes as many as 3 tvs at once while I did Cardio at my local LA Fitness. I complained to the staff – but they claimed that programming changes had to come from the ‘corporate office’ whatever that meant.

The facilities at this place were great and the price was cheap. Still Cardio is hard enough to do on a regular basis w/out having MSNBC forced down your throat.

So I terminated my membership – and not work out at the local Ballys – further, not as nice, a little more dough, but at least I the staff will put on the White Sox while I run on the treadmill.

moc23 on July 18, 2010 at 9:39 AM

I work at the park district gym on the elliptical. If I’m the only one there I turn all the TV’s off.
White Sox?
Boo.
Go Cubbies!

annoyinglittletwerp on July 18, 2010 at 12:14 PM

So people here think it’s funny to refer to a lesbian as a man….? So childish.

RufusW on July 18, 2010 at 11:27 PM

I’d guess that Marco Rubio will get at least three times as many votes in Florida alone in November as there are total people watching Maddow’s show. If there’s a test, the winner should be fairly clear.

Weak logic. I mean, unless you’re willing to say that the American people are far more aligned with Barack Obama than Rush Limbaugh. Obama got 5 times as many people to vote for him on one day than Limbaugh gets in a week.

orange on July 19, 2010 at 12:54 PM