Wow: Republican member claims Civil Rights Commission is out to get Holder on Black Panthers case
posted at 6:54 pm on July 16, 2010 by Allahpundit
It’s Abigail Thernstrom, who, as far as I know, is a well-respected scholar and sufficiently credible to be worthy of publication by the Manhattan Institute and National Review, among others. In fact, her last piece for NR warned conservatives that the Black Panthers case that Fox has been obsessing over is a silly bit of one-off nonsense with no larger significance for how the DOJ is prosecuting voting rights cases. (That’s not what J. Christian Adams says, of course.) What she didn’t claim in that piece is that the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, which has been investigating Adams’s allegations and of which she’s the vice chair, might have a political agenda of its own in pushing this inquiry.
But she’s claiming it now.
“This doesn’t have to do with the Black Panthers, this has to do with their fantasies about how they could use this issue to topple the [Obama] administration,” said Thernstrom, who said members of the commission voiced their political aims “in the initial discussions” of the Panther case last year.
“My fellow conservatives on the commission had this wild notion they could bring Eric Holder down and really damage the president,” Thernstrom said in an interview with POLITICO.
There’s nothing here to suggest that they don’t believe Adams’s claims on the merits, but any investigation that begins with a particular outcome in mind is obviously suspect. Pushback from her fellow committee members:
“Millions of people saw the clip on Fox News and YouTube,” said Todd Gaziano, a commissioner who has been the driving force behind the commission’s investigation. “Any reasonable American knows this is voter intimidation. And so the dismissal itself of an infamous case where there’s footage is more damaging to people’s perception of the rule of law than a dismissal when nobody’s paying attention.”
The commission chairman, Gerald Reynolds, said Thernstrom is attacking the commission out of pique dating back to a dispute about organizing a conference scheduled for this fall. “The allegation that there’s any interest in bringing down the Obama Administration is false – and it’s a lot more, it’s personal and petty.”
Really? Thernstrom cooked up a bombshell allegation about bias on the Commission (which, according to Politico, is nothing new under either Republican or Democratic administrations) out of simple pique about a conference? Given the scrutiny she’s going to get for making this accusation, I’m skeptical about that.
Exit question: How do we resolve this going forward? The DOJ’s civil-rights division and the Commission on Civil Rights now each have their integrity being questioned by people employed there currently or formerly. Time for a special prosecutor to resolve the facts, perhaps?
Update: At the very least, since Fox now owns this story, will Megyn Kelly have Thernstrom on next week?









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Gerald Reynolds is obviously racist.
amerpundit on July 16, 2010 at 6:58 PM
It’s weird. A lot of good conservatives wrote a letter vouching for Holder when he was nominated for AG. Victoria Toensing was one of them. So he obviously has some fans/friends, and maybe she’s one of them.
I wonder what’s really going on.
MayBee on July 16, 2010 at 7:00 PM
By the way, Abigail Thernstrom also has a book recently out.
Voting Rights—and Wrongs: The Elusive Quest for Racially Fair Elections with a foreward by Juan Williams.
amerpundit on July 16, 2010 at 7:00 PM
So she’s saying this to make a buck? If that were true, wouldn’t the smarter strategy be to beat up on the Panthers so that she can get interviewed on Fox News?
Allahpundit on July 16, 2010 at 7:01 PM
Well I’m suspect of her.Why would she do this? Background please.
sandee on July 16, 2010 at 7:01 PM
“All in favor say I.”
I
CTSherman on July 16, 2010 at 7:01 PM
So does that mean that all along they knew that Mr. Holder wouldn’t pursue the case? Her grudge sounds more realistic then believe that the commission was positive that the DOJ would continue to dig in their heels given heat from the public.
Cindy Munford on July 16, 2010 at 7:01 PM
Her Wikipedia says this: President Bill Clinton chose her as one of three authors to participate in his first “town meeting” on race in Akron, Ohio, on December 3, 1997, and she was part of a small group that met with the President again in the Oval Office on December 19.
I don’t know. Does she have a personal allegiance to the Clintons and/or Holder?
Maybe she’s just giving her opinion.
MayBee on July 16, 2010 at 7:02 PM
Is she a conservative ala Peggy Noonan?
sandee on July 16, 2010 at 7:02 PM
Uhhh… yeah…
MeatHeadinCA on July 16, 2010 at 7:03 PM
Not saying she’s doing this specifically for the money, but which do you think gets more attention?
A) Being the 926th conservative to beat up on the Black Panthers on Fox News.
or
B) Being the conservative on the panel to drop a bombshell allegation that will be picked up by every media outlet looking to cover for The One.
amerpundit on July 16, 2010 at 7:03 PM
Not if her book suggests enormous voter intimidation against minorities. You’d have to know what the book states.
Cindy Munford on July 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM
Yeap… bring in the special prosecutor…
ninjapirate on July 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM
Thank you for that bit of information.
The mask drops?
portlandon on July 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM
Can’t tell if it’s naivete or deliberate snark, through all the layers of your head-up-the-rear RINO-ness.
The Attorney General appoints any Special Prosecutors. Get it? This will NOT be fixed by an already broken / degenerate / marxist-infested government.
rayra on July 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM
Are we sure she’s a conservative? The more I’m hearing about this lady the more I think she’s a frummy.
MeatHeadinCA on July 16, 2010 at 7:05 PM
The David Frum fame and business model.
the_nile on July 16, 2010 at 7:05 PM
Perhaps Peggy West.
MeatHeadinCA on July 16, 2010 at 7:05 PM
Well you guys had fun while it lasted.
crr6 on July 16, 2010 at 7:05 PM
Boy, “conservatives” sure speak with one voice….lol.
Republicans are rank amateurs at the game politics and the Democrats, win or lose elections, are sweeping the field.
rickyricardo on July 16, 2010 at 7:06 PM
Beat up on FoxNew, She books ABC,NBC,CBS,MSNBC,CNN,TELEMUNDO,Letterman,Leno,Larry King.Etc.
Beat up on Panthers and get FOXNEWS.
portlandon on July 16, 2010 at 7:07 PM
It just started. People are pissed off at useless organizations for collective thought like the ACLU. Eric Holder makes Alberto Gonzales look great. No, this is just the beginning of this whole thing.
MeatHeadinCA on July 16, 2010 at 7:07 PM
Look at it this way. How often does an issue like voter intimidation come up prominently enough to sell books?
Suddenly the issue is getting national attention, she has a relatively recent book, and she’s in a position to get national attention to herself by dropping a bombshell allegation that will be taken seriously by the media.
amerpundit on July 16, 2010 at 7:07 PM
Well I wouldn’t worry about the media picking this up and running with it. The media doesn’t recognize there is any civil rights hearing happening. black panthers what black panthers?
sandee on July 16, 2010 at 7:07 PM
Yes, because if what she says is true then the intimidation didn’t happen.
Cindy Munford on July 16, 2010 at 7:08 PM
fixed.
the_nile on July 16, 2010 at 7:08 PM
It’s plausible. She could follow in the footsteps of Joe Scarborough or David Frum – they wouldn’t stand a chance in mainstream right of center forums.
MeatHeadinCA on July 16, 2010 at 7:08 PM
Another RINO has been exposed!
Dire Straits on July 16, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Why, when the Civil Rights commission is run by vicious partisan Democrats like Mary Francis Berry, it’s word is unassailable?
rickyricardo on July 16, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Why is this a Wow? Is it really plausible that someone thought this incident could be used to bring down Holder or the president? That’s just silly. So is Mr. Adams in on it?
Cindy Munford on July 16, 2010 at 7:11 PM
Allah this RINO does NOT want no part of Meghan Kelly..that would be worse than the B!tch Slapping Kristen Powers took.
Dire Straits on July 16, 2010 at 7:12 PM
Oh, now you done did it! If we don’t hear from you… I’ll assume you’ve been banned ;-)
MeatHeadinCA on July 16, 2010 at 7:13 PM
Interesting how she says it isn’t, yet others who are conservative and have seen the video say it is on the same commission.
Is she doing this due to something that was done and no one knows what the hidden tendencies lie? Or is this a ruse for publication of her book?
upinak on July 16, 2010 at 7:13 PM
There’s nothing either side loves more than an apostate. But only conservatives apostates get that ‘strange new respect’.
There is a simple test here…what if, instead of the Black Panthers, it had been Tea Partiers standing out front of a polling place with night sticks and black uniforms. Then it would be a slam dunk and these folks would be facing jail time. 24/7 media circus guaranteed. I think that’s the point.
AUINSC on July 16, 2010 at 7:14 PM
who said members of the commission voiced their political aims “in the initial discussions” of the Panther case last year.
“My fellow conservatives on the commission had this wild notion they could bring Eric Holder down and really damage the president,”
I guess it’s kind of plausible her fellow conservatives on the Civil Rights Commission might have voiced out loud that they hoped to take Eric Holder down.
It seems more plausible that’s her impression of their motives.
MayBee on July 16, 2010 at 7:15 PM
You don’t think congress will have something to say about it come January?
CTSherman on July 16, 2010 at 7:16 PM
Did voter intimidation occur, or no? Were laws broken, or no? If the evidence indicates in the affirmative, the case should be prosecuted. Period. It makes no difference what color the alleged perps’ skin is, or how isolated the occurrence may be.
tgharris on July 16, 2010 at 7:16 PM
Thats one reason
She can get on Fox news by supporting Holder and Black Panthers. Heck even Zulululu Sh!tazz himself got on Fox news. Fox news will put anyone on. The more provocative the better.
macncheez on July 16, 2010 at 7:16 PM
Hopefully. Hopefully all of those Republicans that voted for Holder are now realizing the folly of their ways.
MeatHeadinCA on July 16, 2010 at 7:17 PM
Somehow, being a “well respected scholar” worthy of publication doesn’t make her more credible to me.
But what sounds kinda kooky in about her story is the “topple the administration” part. Really? Topple the administration? I thought this story was worthy of the some media coverage, but I don’t see how it could ever come close to toppling the administration, and I don’t see how even the most strident Obama haters could thing that either. Sounds kinda paranoid on Thernstrom’s part.
forest on July 16, 2010 at 7:17 PM
what are you smoking? puff puff pass
upinak on July 16, 2010 at 7:19 PM
Yeah, wishful thinking, but seriously, if only the GOP had had the stones to block Holder or at least try…
MeatHeadinCA on July 16, 2010 at 7:20 PM
In reality if you were truly a Conservative wouldn’t you want to take Holder down?Anyone who cares about the welfare of this Country should want to do that. She is no Conservative. I think she is probably trying to sell her book. This could work out for the better though because the MSM may now pay attention to this hearing. Of course only to show how right Holder was to drop this case.
sandee on July 16, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Corrected headline:
Clinton/Juan Williams-associated conservative pretty much stands alone excusing dismissal of grotesquely obvious voter intimidation case.
Series of articles by her at this link, get a feel for her background:
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/thernstrom__a.htm
Merovign on July 16, 2010 at 7:21 PM
testicular fortitude is gone. Where it went too is the question.
upinak on July 16, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Whats wrong with that ???
Why is she propping them up ?
Let the investigation go where the facts lead …
macncheez on July 16, 2010 at 7:21 PM
That’s quite an allegation.
Proof?
tru2tx on July 16, 2010 at 7:22 PM
Which scrutiny would that be? MSM are not playing even the overarching story. Why do you suppose they will now get into the weeds?
No, really. Why exactly do you suppose that?
Stephen M on July 16, 2010 at 7:22 PM
I know Allah’s affection for KP and I like her too (I don’t agreee with her) but that was ugly.. Hopefully I will survive :)
Dire Straits on July 16, 2010 at 7:23 PM
Big Sis sucked it all up and is hording it in her basement…
MeatHeadinCA on July 16, 2010 at 7:24 PM
The DOJ brought this upon themselves. If they’d treated the case seriously w/o interference, we wouldn’t be talking about it.
Connie on July 16, 2010 at 7:25 PM
It was really, really ugly. I lost a lot of respect for KP, there… she just wasn’t very professional at all.
Here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBR2G-iI3-I
MeatHeadinCA on July 16, 2010 at 7:25 PM
The race card is the last thing they have to play in their deck. Let’s Jiffy Pop our way through this latest boondoggle. I have 2 cases of Diet Coke. The Obama’s are in “Maine”….. read “Cape Cod, Martha’s Vinyard” for the weekend.
As a brown, partly white, partly mexican, partly puerto rican, partly german, partly english, party irish, partly polish blue eyed mutt dog of a girl… Let’s end the debate.
Racism is dead. The race hustlers will be sooo pissed. Awwwwe. I hope they invested well, because nobody.. NOBODY is buying that sh*t bag anymore.
Key West Reader on July 16, 2010 at 7:27 PM
So if some KKK freaks changed places with the Black Panthers, Thernstrom would have no problem with that?
Right?
Yeah, sure. And I’m the tooth fairy.
GarandFan on July 16, 2010 at 7:27 PM
If I recall correctly, she said in her first article that the Black Panther story was getting in the way of the larger concerns about widespread voter fraud. Maybe this is a Hail Mary to get that story our there, but I don’t see how it accomplishes that. How does questioning the motives of the Conservative members help in any way?
rlyle on July 16, 2010 at 7:27 PM
Beers in the White House garden with Obama, Holder and the Black Panther dudes….
albill on July 16, 2010 at 7:27 PM
She don’t need to prove nothing.
She is a scholar, she knows better than all of us
She writes books like these
macncheez on July 16, 2010 at 7:27 PM
Quick scan of some articles, nothing really stands out (yet). But this announcement just seems to be “fact-challenged” and I wonder what the motivation is.
It sounds from the side quote and from what the other commission member said in the MK interview a while back, there’s some serious history on the commission between Thernstrom and the other members, more than a scheduling conflict.
The Juan Williams intro suggests perhaps an ideological shift in the last couple of years since these articles were written.
I would be interested to see more recent writings (the last on that list is 2008).
Merovign on July 16, 2010 at 7:28 PM
Basic psychology: You worry about the health of the administration if that is a priority for you. Should we be surprised a so-called “conservative” with an interest in human rights has an emotional connection to the success of the first “post-racial” president. Man this woman’s whole MO for being on the rights commission smells of dreams of a post-racial world and now something comes along that PROVES this is the most racist presidency since Jim Crow and she strikes a blow against “fellow” conservatives? Is it surprising to you Allahpundit? Not to me. You don’t seek that seat without a soft spot for the Obama narrative. Please she is another Obot.
Conan on July 16, 2010 at 7:29 PM
That’s “Aye”, not “I”.
bugsy on July 16, 2010 at 7:30 PM
Well, ap’s obviously chosen a side.
BKeyser on July 16, 2010 at 7:30 PM
Is that a Glamour Shot photo is this lady?
portlandon on July 16, 2010 at 7:31 PM
Yeah.
Racist charges are only legit when libs make them. Not when they come from conservatives.
Obama sits in a racist church for 20 years but he wasn’t really sitting there. Obama starts his political campaign out of a known unrepentant terrorist’s homes but it really doesn’t mean anything. Democrats were once the party that supported slavery and had a KKK member serving in congress, who used the “N” word just a few years ago during an interview, but so what. Republicans were the party that fought for the freedom of slaves and the first blacks elected in congress were Republicans but we all know what was really going on there.
Black men in paramilitary uniforms stand out in front of polling places holding a weapon (all filmed on camera) but we know they weren’t really doing anything wrong. That same black man is filmed on camera calling for the killing of white babies but we all know Tea Parties are really racist. The DOJ is suing Arizona for upholding law while other so called sanctuary cities openly ignore the law but we all know Arizona deserves what it’s getting. The Democrats and Obama ignore the law, break laws, make their own edicts, don’t pay their taxes and raise ours to the sky all while we see the IRS ramping up audits by 100%. Yep. Nothing wrong with the Democrats or this administration at all. It’s all the Republicans and those evil conservatives.
But, like I said, we all know it’s the Republicans and conservatives who are really evil and Obama and his Democrats are all just innocent victims working hard to save America.
JellyToast on July 16, 2010 at 7:31 PM
I thought you were going to replay that dance by the folks in Auschwitz..Thank You for sparing me that. :)
Dire Straits on July 16, 2010 at 7:31 PM
No problem…
MeatHeadinCA on July 16, 2010 at 7:32 PM
I thought is was a projection of what Harry Potter will look like when he gets older. :)
Dire Straits on July 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM
Sorry.
Dire Straits on July 16, 2010 at 7:34 PM
Lets put aside for a moment the Black Panther thing. What about Christian Adams testimony regarding the treatment of civil rights and voting questions. He is under oath. Are we to assume he perjured himself regarding the rules set down for enforcement .I believe him before I believe her. He quit his job and stuck his neck out to get this information out. I am highly suspicious of this womans motives.
sandee on July 16, 2010 at 7:34 PM
…Adams testimony has been largely dismissed by democrats because he is a “Conservative”……
…..It will be interesting to watch democrats glorify this “Conservative” with all levels of credibility because her statements support their agenda.
Baxter Greene on July 16, 2010 at 7:37 PM
This broad is full of SH*T. Even one of the libs involved who worked with RFK said is was the worst case of voter intimidation he had ever seen. Do we not believe our own lying eyes. THE PANTHERS HAVE ADMITTED IT FOR F*CKS SAKE!!!
echosyst on July 16, 2010 at 7:38 PM
IF THAT WASN’T VOTER INTIMIDATION THEY MIGHT AS WELL REPEAL THE LAWS, BECAUSE NOTHING WOULD BE.
echosyst on July 16, 2010 at 7:39 PM
I think the answer here is clear.
Full disclosure. Let the attorneys testify and either confirm or deny Christian’s claims. Have a truly independent review of the Commission.
Until then, it’ll just be an endless back and forth…all sound and fury, signifying nothing.
powerpro on July 16, 2010 at 7:40 PM
A silly bit of one off nonsense that has been going on for some time with these NBPP`s. Adams has testified under oath to these people, right? Other lawyers that have served in the DOJ civil rights division have backed up some of his assertions. So, she is saying he has committed perjury along with the other eye witnesses who have testified? Or does the commission not have that kind of legal power?
bluemarlin on July 16, 2010 at 7:41 PM
Politics. No wonder people are disgusted with Ds and Rs. It would be wonderful if those chosen to lead would right or wrong simply want to do the right thing. News like this depresses this racist homophobe.
exdeadhead on July 16, 2010 at 7:42 PM
This woman has been spiritually seduced by the “Old Spice” commercial man. Done lost her senses.
FireBlogger on July 16, 2010 at 7:42 PM
Go ahead question their motives and besmirch their characters but the reality is that this issue is WORTH PURSUING.
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Crr -it is far from over–enjoy.
CWforFreedom on July 16, 2010 at 7:42 PM
You would be correct. Thank you.
I failed to pay much attention during English Composition classes. Sorry, my bad.
CTSherman on July 16, 2010 at 7:42 PM
Adams has credible witnesses to corroborate his allegations.
Former DOJ Colleagues Confirm Whistleblower Adams’ Accusations
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/affidavit-of-former-fec-commissioner-hans-von-spakovsky/?print=1
…..We will see if Abigail Thernstrom can validate her claims.
Baxter Greene on July 16, 2010 at 7:44 PM
I think Thernstrom will be on all Sunday shows this week
( except Fox). She will avoid Megyn Kelly. She might show up with Juan Williams on Bill0′s zone but she will definitely avoid Megyn Kelly.
macncheez on July 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM
I think she wants us to believe that if the Holder and Obama will reach into the toilet to pull out turds like the NBPP we can rest assured that in the really important matters we can trust that they are race neutral and not running a reverse discrinination justice system. Are you buying it? because I am not. This complete airhead seems to think this isn’t evidence that they are running a RADICAL DOJ to bother with these no name scumbags in fact she is pointing out the fact they are no name scumbags to make us feel better. I say stuff it Agigail, this is scary for DOJ to pull a stunt like this.
Conan on July 16, 2010 at 7:47 PM
You are correct..As I said earlier that would not end good! :)
Dire Straits on July 16, 2010 at 7:49 PM
Admitted it? They’ve bragged about it.
The people excusing and minimizing this are bigots and political fanatics, plain and simple. The problem with Thernstrom is I don’t know which, and against whom, yet.
Merovign on July 16, 2010 at 7:49 PM
Riiight. That’s why the principled liberal Democrat, Bartle Bull, who witnessed the thuggery filed a complaint, said he always thought Obama was a hustler, and that he believes this is about protecting ACORN. Clearly he’s an agent for the G.O.P./
Bottom line: This case/issue/situation has merit no matter what the alleged or real political aims of the commission are.
Buy Danish on July 16, 2010 at 7:49 PM
Would the Cons on the board not be human if they were not ready to roll with such information. God knows the left is giddy with such accusations founded or unfounded.
CWforFreedom on July 16, 2010 at 7:50 PM
I guess wanting “Equal Justice Under The Law” is now known as “bringing them down”…
Seven Percent Solution on July 16, 2010 at 7:51 PM
Megyn Kelly has specifically invited her to be on, actually, during the interview of the other CRC member.
After the “Speaking Truth to Powers” incident, I don’t really expect Thernstrom to take the risk, unless she’s blindly confident in her own intellectual superiority.
It would be an entertaining segment, however.
Merovign on July 16, 2010 at 7:52 PM
No, I am not buying it either. I just wish I was not living in bizarro world, I am perpetually dizzy!
bluemarlin on July 16, 2010 at 7:54 PM
Appears that is deserved.
Already been done. Makes some sense to go against the grain. She will be far more loved on ABC CBS NBC MSNBC etc etc.
CWforFreedom on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 PM
Scrutiny from who? frank, dodd, schumer, cuomo, gorelick, etc. etc. are all criminals and have gotten rich off their crimes. Where is the scrutiny? She only ran her mouth. This woman is playing the liberal “make an accusation and see if it sticks” game. It doesn’t matter if it is true, it will tarnish the commission from here on out. Just as idiots will be saying the Bush administration was scandal plagued because the left keeps repeating it over and over. It will be a foregone conclusion.
peacenprosperity on July 16, 2010 at 8:00 PM
Let me know where her book is on Amazon tomorrow. I’ve never been able to find that list.
Cindy Munford on July 16, 2010 at 8:01 PM
I don’t believe that ‘conservatives’ and Fox News is using the black pampers case to ‘topple’ Barry or ‘bring down’ Eric Holder….it is just another brick being laid to expose this towering pile of dogsh*t known as the obama administration.
Maybe next time, people will pull their heads out of their ‘collective’ asses before they vote.
HornetSting on July 16, 2010 at 8:03 PM
….You owe me 20 bucks.
Baxter Greene on July 16, 2010 at 8:11 PM
..and you can bet this accusation will get wall to wall coverage from the same MSM that refuses to show these racists yelling about killing white babies and intimidating voters at polling stations.
Baxter Greene on July 16, 2010 at 8:14 PM
What are there like 7 of these New Black Panthers? And we all know how intelligent they sound…O’Reilly said talking to the Leader, was like talking to an empty parking lot…so they are a threat or are they are a joke?
Dr Evil on July 16, 2010 at 8:18 PM
Men standing in military garb with sticks in front of a voting station is of the utmost importance… whether it be one place or 50… voter intimidation is stealing people’s votes.
Kaptain Amerika on July 16, 2010 at 8:19 PM
…We really need to see exact quotes and context.
Someone could easily take….”Holder is corrupt, he has to be stopped”……
…….to……..
…”They are trying to bring Holder/Obama down”…..
……let’s see the quotes and determine whether Thernstrom
interpretation is at fault.
Baxter Greene on July 16, 2010 at 8:21 PM
The Obama administration and the Democrats have gone full retard. Nothing short of voting them out of office will mean anything to them. They have no shame or concern of blatant violations of the law. The interfered with a Bankruptcy to favor a union, no one even lifted a finger to stop them, because no one can.
Africanus on July 16, 2010 at 8:23 PM
Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #506,632 in Books
Dr Evil on July 16, 2010 at 8:23 PM
If this old hag is a conservative then I’m Batman.
thomasaur on July 16, 2010 at 8:24 PM
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