Portland paper: Gore’s accuser said she failed lie-detector test, had no physical evidence

posted at 10:09 pm on July 15, 2010 by Allahpundit

We’ve had some fun with those freaky deaky Taiwanese animations of the Goracle’s supposed escapade so I want to make sure you see the case for the defense too. Note well: The paper has no actual proof that she failed a polygraph or that the alleged DNA evidence on her slacks doesn’t exist, but that’s what she told them back in 2008 and, er, why would she lie about it when she was trying to get them to cover it? Assuming what she said is correct, I don’t know how the D.A. could possibly build a case against Gore at this point. Although for what it’s worth, there are elements of her story that seem credible:

Five months after first calling the Tribune, Hagerty finally revealed the full extent of her evidence and allegations. In August 2008, she and a female friend came to the Tribune offices to meet with Budnick [the reporter] and the Tribune’s then-managing editor, myself. For the first time, she gave her full account of what happened in the hotel room that night — reading from a lengthy document she had written. The statement was very similar to the written statement she would read to Portland police five months later — in January 2009 — when she told them she wanted to give them the statement she never provided in 2006…

Hagerty said she said nothing to the hotel staff about the alleged assault as she left the hotel that night, but did call a friend in Texas, Greg Boatman, shortly after she got home at 2 a.m. to tell him what had happened. (She later produced cell phone records that indicated she made a call to Texas that night.) She also said she had called the sexual assault hotline with the Portland Women’s Crisis Line within 72 hours of that night. Her cell phone records verified a 13-minute call on Oct. 28, 2006. She provided a document she obtained from the crisis line summarizing their conversation. It does not name Gore, but it does state: “She does not want to involve the police. She says that they won’t do anything because of who he is.”

So her statements were consistent over time. And, as we only recently learned from the Enquirer, Boatman does indeed claim to have received a call from Hagerty after the incident describing what happened. That’s consistent too. As for the polygraph:

After ending her association with Vogt, Hagerty tried to get three other Portland lawyers interested in taking her case — all of whom declined.

Before declining, one of them gave her a polygraph test, which she failed, she said. That fact alone would not have dissuaded the Tribune from publishing the story; polygraph machines detect physiological changes, not lies. Their findings are inadmissible in most courts. And, according to three polygraphers the Tribune contacted, the machines are least reliable when administered to sexual assault victims.

So why didn’t they publish her story? You can watch the video summary below but you’re better off spending five minutes on the Tribune’s article, which lays it out in detail. Not only were they worried about the lie-detector test and lack of physical evidence, but when they called around to people who knew her, some “raised questions about the accuracy of her perceptions.” Then, allegedly, she started trying to limit the paper’s access to them and ended up accusing the reporter, one of her lawyers, and even the polygrapher of variously screaming at her or “bullying” her. She supposedly ended up insisting to the paper that they’d made promises to her about what would be in the story, which, they claim, they never made. That’s when they pulled the plug. Exit question: Between this and the news this morning about the first half of 2010 being the hottest on record, is today total vindication for the Goracle? Click the image to watch.


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The Algore rehab begins….

d1carter on July 15, 2010 at 10:12 PM

TROLL!

YYZ on July 15, 2010 at 10:15 PM

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man, I was looking forward to next Taiwanese Animation video.

Lance Murdock on July 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Between this and the news this morning about the first half of 2010 being the hottest on record,

You’ll take BSDNC’s word for that it was the “hottest on record?”
Dude.
They are the “Green” Channel and GE’s heavily invested in Green/AGW companies.

I don’t know about NYC, but in Dallas, we had over a foot of snow in February–a new record!

Jenfidel on July 15, 2010 at 10:17 PM

TROLL!

YYZ on July 15, 2010 at 10:15 PM

That’s no way to talk about our Ex VP!

Electrongod on July 15, 2010 at 10:19 PM

His boss stained a dress, he stains a pair of slacks. What’s up with that duo? Talk about the gang that can’t shoot straight.

keep the change on July 15, 2010 at 10:19 PM

I don’t know about NYC, but in Dallas, we had over a foot of snow in February–a new record!

Jenfidel on July 15, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Last week LA was in the midst of record cool temps.

thomasaur on July 15, 2010 at 10:20 PM

Al Gore is still a ManBearPig to me.

Conservalicious on July 15, 2010 at 10:21 PM

sooooo, will tipper take him back?

ted c on July 15, 2010 at 10:23 PM

Al Gore made a bizarre statement that if the trial moves forward that he remains hopeful the Florida Supreme Court will step in and rule in his favor.

viking01 on July 15, 2010 at 10:24 PM

Exit answer: no

Brass on July 15, 2010 at 10:24 PM

Al gore need to keep his “junk science” in his pants.

Electrongod on July 15, 2010 at 10:24 PM

He’d better call that genius lawyer he had last time. The one that didn’t change his clothes all week and then lost the case, too. That genius.

SurferDoc on July 15, 2010 at 10:30 PM

Al Gore doesn’t need a guilty verdict on this to still be a total dou#$#bag. Cheating on wife, claiming a global warming crisis while profligately swinging a big carbon footprint, screwing with the data, the Florida nonsense – this guy is a capital L loser.

Between this and the news this morning about the first half of 2010 being the hottest on record,

Excuse me, it is called summer, you know. Additionally, there is this little thing called causality. It could be sun spots or lack thereof causing the heat, which is more likely given that other planets also are showing temperature increases. Just because it is hot, doesn’t mean it is manmade. And given that Co2 is such an insignificant part of the atmosphere, and that the largest part, water vapor, was excluded from all the modeling that Algore quotes, you are contributing to the FUD that is that trademark of the Dems and of Algore.

With or without sexual assault, Algore is a jerk.

skeeter on July 15, 2010 at 10:30 PM

His boss stained a dress, he stains a pair of slacks. What’s up with that duo? Talk about the gang that can’t shoot straight.

keep the change on July 15, 2010 at 10:19 PM

Read the linked article. The DNA test on the slacks came back negative.

Jimbo3 on July 15, 2010 at 10:32 PM

I don’t know about NYC, but in Dallas, we had over a foot of snow in February–a new record!

Jenfidel on July 15, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Last week LA was in the midst of record cool temps.

thomasaur on July 15, 2010 at 10:20 PM

It helps to have climate stations like these if you’re mission is to prove CAGW.

Dusty on July 15, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Read the linked article. The DNA test on the slacks came back negative.

Jimbo3 on July 15, 2010 at 10:32 PM

It also said the she had the DNA tested. Is she an expert on keeping DNA from deteriorating? how much time passed from 2006 to the time she had it tested?
The article isn’t very informative.

Electrongod on July 15, 2010 at 10:39 PM

It also said the she had the DNA tested. Is she an expert on keeping DNA from deteriorating? how much time passed from 2006 to the time she had it tested?
The article isn’t very informative.

Electrongod on July 15, 2010 at 10:39 PM

But as quickly as that stain seemed like it could become damning and world-changing evidence against Gore, it faded away. After mentioning the stain, the massage therapist acknowledged she had it tested for semen, and the results came back negative.

Jimbo3 on July 15, 2010 at 10:43 PM

when they called around to people who knew her, some “raised questions about the accuracy of her perceptions.”

Heard that before, the “they’re nutz&sluts” attacks. But AP is too young to know about Linda Tripp.

whatcat on July 15, 2010 at 10:44 PM

It sounds like the Gore pimp’s current defense is that if Monica hadn’t saved the dress Clintoon would be innocent.

viking01 on July 15, 2010 at 10:46 PM

Thoughts from Iowahawk
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2010/07/the-two-randy-vicars.html

a capella on July 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM

But as quickly as that stain seemed like it could become damning and world-changing evidence against Gore, it faded away. After mentioning the stain, the massage therapist acknowledged she had it tested for semen, and the results came back negative.

Jimbo3 on July 15, 2010 at 10:43 PM

You forgot the quotes.
So was it semen? Was it from Gore? What was it?
I haven’t been following the story but from this article, I don’t know anything other then it wasn’t semen and that she had it tested but don’t know the time frame.

Electrongod on July 15, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Whew!

I really hope she is a liar, but if she isn’t, that violent misogynist Mel Gibson Al Gore should pay the piper.

Aquateen Hungerforce on July 15, 2010 at 11:01 PM

Did anyone really think this year would not be the hottest? After the beating the liars took the year previous?

CWforFreedom on July 15, 2010 at 11:13 PM

You have to remember that the Portland Tribune is an ‘alternative’ weekly that leans to the left.

On the other hand they are more likely to do solid reporting than the ‘mainstream’ Oregonian.

schmuck281 on July 15, 2010 at 11:38 PM

We’ve had some fun with those freaky deaky Taiwanese animations of the Goracle’s supposed escapade so I want to make sure you see the case for the defense too.

Why?

Kensington on July 15, 2010 at 11:49 PM

We haven’t heard from Tipper yet.

viking01 on July 16, 2010 at 12:00 AM

I’ll wait for the one of the last real investigative news outlets, The Enquirer, to come out before making my mind up.

I never imagined myself typing those words but I stand by them since 2007.

jukin on July 16, 2010 at 12:01 AM

Hmmmmm.

Anybody getting that Gennifer Flowers deja vu vibe?

How about Paula Jones?

Because to me it certainly looks like quite repeating pattern: discredit the victim, deny there is evidence, represent her as a kook, etc etc etc.

memomachine on July 16, 2010 at 12:05 AM

Hmmmm.

“I’ll wait for the one of the last real investigative news outlets, The Enquirer, to come out before making my mind up. I never imagined myself typing those words but I stand by them since 2007.”

Yeah ain’t it a crazy world?

memomachine on July 16, 2010 at 12:06 AM

Let’s start with the main FACT. If anyone lacks credibility, it’s Alpha Male Al Gore.

GarandFan on July 16, 2010 at 12:17 AM

Speaking of crime, did I miss the post on Lynne Stewart being sentenced to 10 years? She should have gotten at least 15 years. What a jerk! In a couple of months she will have some doctor claim she is dying and some idiot NY judge will release her. If it happens, let her at least have the decency of taking her fat ass to Libya.

Blake on July 16, 2010 at 12:53 AM

So, imagine taking a “lie detector” test when you’re asked this question.

“Have you to a small child?”

You protest, “What? No, I’d never do that!” However, due to the anxiety you’re feeling at being asked something so awful, the lie detectometer is going nuts!

“Ah ha, see how fast the needle is moving? That means you’re lying!”

R. Waher on July 16, 2010 at 2:08 AM

the news this morning about the first half of 2010 being the hottest on record,

Yes, going all the way back to 1971!!!

DrMagnolias on July 16, 2010 at 2:45 AM

AP you are either ignorant or dishonest by calling a polygraph a “lie detector”. A polygraph measures biometric responses during an interview, nothing more. When asking a person questions concerning a deep trauma or something that they feel betrayed over, it is extremely unreliable, as the response is similar to deception.

If you have even a small speck of integrity, you will dump the term “lie detector” when speaking of polygraphs and correct your post title to reflect such.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on July 16, 2010 at 3:17 AM

If you have even a small speck of integrity, you will dump the term “lie detector” when speaking of polygraphs and correct your post title to reflect such.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on July 16, 2010 at 3:17 AM

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

pol·y·graph (pŏlē-grăf′)
n.
An instrument that simultaneously records changes in physiological processes such as heartbeat, blood pressure, and respiration, often used as a lie detector.

It would appear that AP’s usage is common and is not incorrect in definition. Numerous other dictionaries of the English language also support this usage.

Yoop on July 16, 2010 at 3:27 AM

Yoop on July 16, 2010 at 3:27 AM

The fact that it is a commonly used falsehood does not make it right to use it.
A polygraph is not and never has been a lie detector and the fact that this lie has been made a common meme is not something to be perpetuated by any honest person.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on July 16, 2010 at 3:39 AM

The fact that it is a commonly used falsehood does not make it right to use it.
A polygraph is not and never has been a lie detector and the fact that this lie has been made a common meme is not something to be perpetuated by any honest person.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on July 16, 2010 at 3:39 AM

Your contention that a polygraph is not always accurate in determining lies is not to be denied. On the other hand the fact is that the polygraph was designed to be a lie detector, and that it is the intended usage is a fact.

From Wikipedia:

“A polygraph (popularly referred to as a lie detector) is an instrument that measures and records several physiological indices such as blood pressure, pulse, respiration, breathing rhythms/ratios, and skin conductivity while the subject is asked and answers a series of questions, in the belief that deceptive answers will produce physiological responses that can be differentiated from those associated with non-deceptive answers.”

Even in the face of the controversy regarding the accuracy of polygraphs as lie detectors many agencies use them in such an application.

US federal government agencies such as the FBI and the CIA and many police departments such as the LAPD use polygraph examinations to interrogate suspects and screen new employees. Within the US federal government, a polygraph examination is also referred to as a psychophysiological detection of deception (PDD) examination.”

It does appear that the polygraph is used to attempt to detect deception at rather high levels and it would follow that it would not be incorrect to refer to it as a “lie detector” in such an application.

Yoop on July 16, 2010 at 4:24 AM

He’s still a crazed sex poodle if for no other reason than that the term will never fit anyone else so well for the remainder of human history.

Cylor on July 16, 2010 at 6:14 AM

Last week LA was in the midst of record cool temps.

thomasaur on July 15, 2010 at 10:20 PM

We’ve had a cooler than average summer here so far, too. So “hottest year ever” really depends on where you are.

AZCoyote on July 16, 2010 at 6:48 AM

We’ve had a cooler than average summer here so far, too. So “hottest year ever” really depends on where you are

Apparently, you are in the minority. Global average temperatures seem to be on the rise.

oakland on July 16, 2010 at 7:03 AM

An environmental prophet charlatan that happily takes the guilt money of idiotic liberals who listen to him.

albill on July 16, 2010 at 7:22 AM

Apparently, you are in the minority. Global average temperatures seem to be on the rise.

oakland on July 16, 2010 at 7:03 AM

Hey, I thought weather doesn’t equal climate! I need more coffee!

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on July 16, 2010 at 7:26 AM

Between this and the news this morning about the first half of 2010 being the hottest on record,

I guess they left out January 2010 from “the 1st half of 2010″ when it was in the teens as far south as Florida.

angryed on July 16, 2010 at 7:29 AM

Jimbo3 on July 15, 2010 at 10:43 PM

Look, the cherrypicking troll is back…

fossten on July 16, 2010 at 7:30 AM

Some headlines from the “Hottest 2010 Ever”

January: Britain on course for coldest January for 37 years

April: New Australian continent wide low temperature record set for April

June: Boise’s high temperature today may be low enough to set record

July: Record Low Temperature for Charlotte

July: What summer? Record cold at LAX as July gloom continues

The same people who are counting the 3.5M new Obama jobs must also be keeping track of the hot temperatures.

angryed on July 16, 2010 at 7:39 AM

I guess they left out January 2010 from “the 1st half of 2010″ when it was in the teens as far south as Florida.

To put this in perspective, the land area of the entire USA is only about two percent of the earth’s surface. Temperatures from across the earth’s surface are used in generating the averages that are published by the various reporting agencies. A cold couple of weeks in part of the USA has a small, but significant influence on the global temperature average.

oakland on July 16, 2010 at 7:54 AM

So with his widespread carbon footprint, he can be registered sex offender is several states.

seven on July 16, 2010 at 7:56 AM

Hottest on record? This comes from satellite records and only 30 years. When you ask for records gathered the same way 100 years ago, they give the stupid look. In experiments 30 years of thousands of years is an inferior sample size. We also have extra warming from many of these thermometer stations being sited near hot black asophalt runways.

seven on July 16, 2010 at 8:01 AM

I can picture the good old days. Algore, Kagan and Bill Clinton trying to pick up chicks.

seven on July 16, 2010 at 8:05 AM

If it’s been so warm this year, why does my furnace keep coming on in July? This has been the coolest summer so far.

Kissmygrits on July 16, 2010 at 9:37 AM

Jimbo3 on July 15, 2010 at 10:43 PM

Reflexively prostrates himself at the alter of democrats.

That is really pathetic.

Inanemergencydial on July 16, 2010 at 10:15 AM

So with his widespread carbon footprint, he can be registered sex offender is several states.

seven on July 16, 2010 at 7:56 AM

Al Gore so fat, he got his own gravity!

Mary in LA on July 16, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Jimbo3 on July 15, 2010 at 10:43 PM
Reflexively prostrates himself at the alter of democrats.

That is really pathetic.

Inanemergencydial on July 16, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Read the freaking article. The DNA tests didn’t show it was Gore’s semen.

Jimbo3 on July 16, 2010 at 11:54 AM

I can picture the good old days. Algore, Kagan and Bill Clinton trying to pick up chicks.

seven on July 16, 2010 at 8:05 AM

“…going, going, GONE, a grand slam!”

Sweet_Thang on July 16, 2010 at 12:00 PM

The only test on the pants that I am aware of is one that the victim had done on her own for which she paid $35. For that price all she could possibly get is a UV-light scan for suspicious stains.

Even a real DNA test done by law enforcement would need a sample from Al to be possibly conclusive.

slickwillie2001 on July 16, 2010 at 1:54 PM