University of Illinois to review case of fired Catholic professor

posted at 3:35 pm on July 14, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Not a moment too soon, either.  Professor Kenneth Howell taught religion at the University of Illinois for several years, specifically Catholicism, and well enough to earn plaudits from his students for excellence in 2008 and 2009.  When a student asked Howell in class whether he believed the Catholic teaching that homosexual sex was immoral, Howell said he did.  The university then fired him for engaging in “hate speech,” but an outcry over the case has them reconsidering in terms of Howell’ academic freedom:

A faculty group at the University of Illinois‘ flagship campus will review the decision to fire an adjunct religion professor for saying he agreed with Catholic doctrine on homosexuality.

UrbanaChampaign campus Chancellor Robert Easter said Monday he hopes to have a decision on the firing of Kenneth Howell from the Faculty Senate’s Committee on Academic Freedom and Tenure by the time fall classes start. The review is to determine whether Howell’s academic freedom was violated.

“We want to be able to reassure ourselves there was no infringement on academic freedom here,” new university President Michael Hogan told members of the Faculty Senate on Monday. “This is a very, very important, not to mention a touchy and sensitive, issue. Did this cross the line somehow?”

Only if one believes in academic freedom, free speech, and freedom of religion.  Otherwise, what’s the big deal, right?  The AP reported the details of the case over the weekend:

Howell, who taught Introduction to Catholicism and Modern Catholic Thought, says he was fired at the end of the spring semester after sending an e-mail explaining some Catholic beliefs to his students preparing for an exam.

“Natural Moral Law says that Morality must be a response to REALITY,” he wrote in the e-mail. “In other words, sexual acts are only appropriate for people who are complementary, not the same.”

An unidentified student sent an e-mail to religion department head Robert McKim on May 13, calling Howell’s e-mail “hate speech.” The student claimed to be a friend of the offended student. The writer said in the e-mail that his friend wanted to remain anonymous.

“Teaching a student about the tenets of a religion is one thing,” the student wrote. “Declaring that homosexual acts violate the natural laws of man is another.”

Howell said he was teaching his students about the Catholic understanding of natural moral law.

“My responsibility on teaching a class on Catholicism is to teach what the Catholic Church teaches,” Howell said in an interview with The News-Gazette in Champaign. “I have always made it very, very clear to my students they are never required to believe what I’m teaching and they’ll never be judged on that.”

Maybe Illinois ought to investigate the quality of its education when we hear this kind of stupidity from its students.  The tenets of Catholicism and mainstream Christianity are precisely that homosexual acts violate the natural law and order created by God, which is why they’re prohibited in doctrine.  It’s akin to saying that it’s one thing to teach math, but multiplication crosses the line.  Apparently, this student doesn’t pay much attention in class.

If the university has classes on religion — as most do — then they can’t possibly base a termination on an explanation of the tenets of the religion in question.  It’s absurd on its face, even apart from the implications on speech and academic freedom.  The explanation by Howell covers the argument from the Catholic perspective, which is what Howell is supposed to be teaching, as well as most mainline Christian denominations.

The issue of academic freedom is obvious, but perhaps less so is the damage to free speech and religious observance this case creates.  So-called “hate speech” laws can easily be bent to the purpose of silencing religious expression and other speech not in favor by the administration of a university.  In this case, the state-run school has no business silencing Howell’s expression of religious belief (which hardly amounted to “hate speech” anyway).  It also implicates government in an effort to coerce silence from dissenters on a widely-debated point of public policy.  Both violate the letter and spirit of the First Amendment.

The University of Illinois faculty deliberating on this issue had better consider exactly how this will impact them when popular opinion trumps their own academic freedom and right to speech when they dissent from the popular view on campus.  In fact, that’s exactly why academic freedom has been a cherished concept in American universities and colleges, and exactly why speech codes are anathema to real learning and discourse.


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‘Lone Wolves’, right? What about that terrorist cell they just broke up in Canada or that Saudi we just deported?

Corporal Tunnel on April 22, 2013 at 7:23 PM

“The system worked”

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Poor Wolfie sounds sad that the Islamic religion had a role. He was SO hoping it was a white southerner Tea Party patriot.

portlandon on April 22, 2013 at 7:24 PM

He could have said “Durka durka. Durka durka durka. Durka.” and we could have concluded that much.

MechanicalBill on April 22, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Lone Wolves’, right? What about that terrorist cell they just broke up in Canada or that Saudi we just deported?

Corporal Tunnel on April 22, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Looks like Canada’s system worked better.

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 7:24 PM

It must have killed the AP to report that.

Justice has been served.

nobar on April 22, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Two U.S. officials say preliminary evidence from an interrogation suggests the suspects in the Boston Marathon attack were motivated by religion

At which point the host on any of the liberal networks will stop, then start a panel discussion about the ‘large Christian population’ in Chechniya.

Liam on April 22, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Gumbo and nonpart just overflowed their depends.

Tingles is on suicide watch.

Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Maybe it was brain damage from boxing? I’m surprised that that hasn’t been floated yet.

rw on April 22, 2013 at 7:26 PM

The two ethnic Chechen brothers practiced Islam

Utter nonsense, trying to smear Islam. Everyone knew the brothers were Mennonites.

rbj on April 22, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Gumby’s laughing like the insane idiot it is.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 7:27 PM

So it was the Joker, Taimur and the koran ?

burrata on April 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Leftist morons and HA trolls hardest hit.

Midas on April 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Only 100% of the evidence points to literalist Islam including an interview with one of the perpetrators.

Still too early to speculate about motive.

forest on April 22, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Wait, what?….I thought Osama was dead and Al Qaeda was on the run???? You mean dear leader lied? Oh Noes!!!!

BeachBum on April 22, 2013 at 7:32 PM

“This is why I need to be able to use Drone Strikes on American Citizens!”

-President Obamazhad

portlandon on April 22, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Of course it was the religion of peace…

OmahaConservative on April 22, 2013 at 7:35 PM

He has a lawyer now too, so let me clip this part in anticipation of the next round of moral peacocking about how they’re denying him access to counsel, etc:

I posted this morning and I mean it. Every low-life leftist lawyer would kill to have this client. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is poised to be as much of a media darling as Mumia Abu-Jamal or Bradley Manning. That there is video dropping his bomb next to an eight-year-old only adds to the excitement among the left.

If the Tsarnaev brothers were motivated by religion can we draw certain conclusions about the religion of peace?

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Gumby’s laughing like the insane idiot it is.

CW on April 22, 2013 at 7:27 PM

This idiot too:

i bet you’ll have eggs on your faces when we find out who did it – comments are bookmarked just in case i have to rub it in, which i’ll do with great glee.
sesquipedalian on April 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM

forest on April 22, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Bark said that his election would make muslims hate the U.S. less.

Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 7:36 PM

You mean dear leader lied? Oh Noes!!!!

BeachBum on April 22, 2013 at 7:32 PM

We don’t know yet, we’ll just have to wait for hollywood to do a movie about this ” incident” , then and only then will we know all the facts.
Until then, we are all islamophobes.

burrata on April 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Osama bin Laden is dead
Al Qaeda is shot thru the ‘head’
Still dear leader did lie
He said buh bye bye
Got on board his chopper and fled!

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Bark said that his election would make muslims hate the U.S. less.

Bishop on April 22, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Those weren’t ‘bombs’, they were improvised hugging devices.

Corporal Tunnel on April 22, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Maybe it was brain damage from boxing? I’m surprised that that hasn’t been floated yet.

rw on April 22, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Here you go

RickB on April 22, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Do. Tell.

Blaise on April 22, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Chechen jihadist videos on YouTube, was building up an explosive hatred of marathons.
=====================

Bipedalism Racism Racists!

canopfor on April 22, 2013 at 7:40 PM

or that Saudi we just deported?

[Corporal Tunnel on April 22, 2013 at 7:23 PM]

Who knows whether he was connected. Drudge has a link up to Todd Starnes from Townhall saying Starnes reported that the Saudi was on the terror watch list, but I guess it was on the radio because there was nothing at the link.

Maybe HotAir can pull some strings with their co-Townhaller and get some info for us.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 7:41 PM

I looooove the “acted alone” qualifier.

Maybe they committed the bombing alone, but they received some type of help from somewhere.

Training, maybe money, maybe encouragement, whatever.

Islam simply provided the motivation.

The “Lone Jihadi” is a myth.

catmman on April 22, 2013 at 7:43 PM

You see even though Terrorist blow us up when the Fed shows up they tell them the truth.

P r o p a g a n d a.

I think we have been Bengazied.

Steveangell on April 22, 2013 at 7:43 PM

All that force and all they ended up…is capturing the creep.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Not surprised. This will be pushed on us, otherwise it would make Obama look bad. The story will be that they acted totally alone and without guidance. The attack was due to them not being welcomed in America. Any talk otherwise will be dismissed as conspiracy theories. Now lets talk about amnesty!!

Jack_Burton on April 22, 2013 at 7:45 PM

religion of peace

and yet the lsm continues with what motivated them

cmsinaz on April 22, 2013 at 7:45 PM

portlandon on April 22, 2013 at 7:24 PM

indeed, as well as tingles just listening to him right now…

cmsinaz on April 22, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Liam on April 22, 2013 at 7:25 PM

ding ding ding

cmsinaz on April 22, 2013 at 7:47 PM

These guys weren’t smart enough to act alone.

kingsjester on April 22, 2013 at 7:47 PM

BeachBum on April 22, 2013 at 7:32 PM

lsm buried that clip didn’t they

cmsinaz on April 22, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Two U.S. officials: Preliminary evidence suggests bombers motivated by religion, acted alone

Greedy bast@rds..
They wanted to keep the 72 virgins to themselves..

Electrongod on April 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM

lsm still calling white hat a young brainwashed kid

cmsinaz on April 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM

I am disappointed. I was sure that we were going to find out they ran the local chapter of the Watertown tea party..

melle1228 on April 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Rovin on April 22, 2013 at 7:46 PM

ouch

and tingles defending dear leader with, why did russia let him back in? engle-paraphrase-because they like to folllow what you are doing in their country dude

cmsinaz on April 22, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Religion?

What religion might that me?

Jainism? Zoroastrianism? Tiki worship? Taoism?

profitsbeard on April 22, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Preliminary evidence suggests bombers motivated by religion, acted alone

Kinda like communists. How much diff does it make whether they were home-grown, lone wolf commies or commies from the USSR? Radical Islam, like communism, is an ideology out to defeat western civilization, and the rest matters not much in comparison.

petefrt on April 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

You notice that the media are substituting the conveniently generic “religion” for Islam.
The idea is to subtly imply that the murderous Jihadists are no worse than any other sect and that all religion is foolishly radicalizing.
Not like ,you know, the sublime ,rational, enlightened mind set of dogmatic secularism -the sanctioned philosophy of the left-media hive.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on April 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 7:41 PM

That video was pulled within moments after it was put up…

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Who knows whether he was connected. Drudge has a link up to Todd Starnes from Townhall saying Starnes reported that the Saudi was on the terror watch list, but I guess it was on the radio because there was nothing at the link.

Maybe HotAir can pull some strings with their co-Townhaller and get some info for us.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 7:41 PM

The Todd Starnes story has disappeared at both the Fox News Radio and Townhall sites. I read it this morning at Townhall and took a screenshot, as it had already disappeared at Fox News Radio by that time. I would like to know why the story was pulled. Was it in error or was there some other reason?

Lightspeed on April 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

profitsbeard on April 22, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Fracking LSM…

That’s exactly what they want the LIV’s to not know…

Someone might wake up and put 2+2 together and come up with ISLAM!

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Lightspeed on April 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

It was linked at The Blaze too this morning but by the time I got there it was gone, almost as soon as Beck said there was a link…

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 7:57 PM

religion of peace

and yet the lsm continues with what motivated them

cmsinaz on April 22, 2013 at 7:45 PM

cmsinaz:)

Yup Team Lefty are still stuck on the ,White RightWingWackoBirds
returning from Nam,er,Iraq/Afghanistan War Vtes!!
(snark)

canopfor on April 22, 2013 at 7:58 PM

What I’d like to know is what the limit is on how many people need to be acting together before people quit using the phrase “acted alone”. Apparently two people acting in concert can be said to have acted alone. Can three? Four? Five? Fifty?

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on April 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

What you said :-)

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 7:59 PM

That there is video dropping his bomb next to an eight-year-old only adds to the excitement among the left.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 7:36 PM

They were just following in the footsteps of their daddy Dr. G. What’s a retroactive abortion between friends.

chemman on April 22, 2013 at 7:59 PM

religion of peace

cmsinaz on April 22, 2013 at 7:45 PM

You know what? Until any other faith on the planet seeks to blow up innocents let’s call Islam what it is. The religion of terrorism. Not every Muslim is a terrorist but all terrorists seem to be Muslim.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 8:00 PM

What was Beck’s big announcement today?

gophergirl on April 22, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Update: Just thinking out loud: It’s possible, although improbable, that Dzhokhar might not know the full extent of Tamerlan’s training, if there was any. That’s not to exculpate him in any way — obviously, if the complaint filed today is true, he knew he was setting off bombs — but it may be that Tamerlan was in touch with people in Dagestan and then trained Dzhokhar over here with whatever expertise he picked up there.

So we can expect the Lee Boyd Malvo defense when his lawyer does the full Gingberg on next Sunday’s news shows.

jon1979 on April 22, 2013 at 8:00 PM

All that force and all they ended up…is capturing the creep.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Seriously.

jersey taxpayer on April 22, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Anybody know when and how they tested the IED’s..? Who was financially supporting the brothers..? Were they working..?
Any news outlet other than the British press leading on the coverage of this..?

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 8:01 PM

That video was pulled within moments after it was put up…

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

and

Lightspeed on April 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Thanks. If it went down that quick, I doubt it was pressure from the Feds. If there’s truth to it, it will get reported again.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Heres a PerPlexer:
(sarc)

The Associated Press ‏@AP 21 Apr

What motivated the Boston marathon bombers?

Massachusetts governor says he has no idea:

http://apne.ws/XOPEmo -BW
============================

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/governor-no-idea-terrorists-motivation

canopfor on April 22, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Rovin on April 22, 2013 at 7:46 PM

So Putin finally used the red reset button.

chemman on April 22, 2013 at 8:02 PM

What was Beck’s big announcement today?

gophergirl on April 22, 2013 at 8:00 PM

All I heard was that it wasn’t worth hearing about, which is what I kind of expected.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Fracking LSM

That’s exactly what they want the LIV’s to not know…

Someone might wake up and put 2+2 together and come up with ISLAM!

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Coincidentally, you cannot spell ISLAM without LSM.

profitsbeard on April 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM

They were just following in the footsteps of their daddy Dr. G. What’s a retroactive abortion between friends.

chemman on April 22, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Yeah, the kid was only eight-years-old. The parents couldn’t have been that attached to him. And his younger sister only lost a limb. I’m sure their mom will come to appreciate the message of Islam once she recovers from her brain being operated on.

Seriously I am pissed by conservatives lecturing us on why this bastard can’t be given the status of enemy combatant.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 8:04 PM

All I heard was that it wasn’t worth hearing about, which is what I kind of expected.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Thanks

gophergirl on April 22, 2013 at 8:04 PM

So Putin finally used the red reset button.

[chemman on April 22, 2013 at 8:02 PM]

Oh, I think there’ll be an “overcharge” coming later.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 8:04 PM

gophergirl on April 22, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Friday he said it was about a very very bad bad bad man and it would take down this administration…

I didn’t see anything worthy of that statement…

maybe at 5pm CST he gave more? Otherwise it was

Fluff…

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Jeebus! No even a stink of a link to Al Qeada? It’s Islam!? This will be as hard on the right as it is on the left. Islam? Bu duh ba duh ba duh?/^?! &!!??

You will see some snappy bi partisan politics and information dispersal now!

BL@KBIRD on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

If what Beck had to say, why isn’t it all over the news yet?

Crickets…

Scrumpy on April 22, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I’m not paying attention to GB again…

OmahaConservative on April 22, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Seriously I am pissed by conservatives lecturing us on why this bastard can’t be given the status of enemy combatant.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 8:04 PM

If they charged him with treason then I would be satisfied with it in the criminal courts otherwise I’m with you.

chemman on April 22, 2013 at 8:08 PM

So we can expect the Lee Boyd Malvo defense when his lawyer does the full Gingberg on next Sunday’s news shows.

jon1979 on April 22, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Absolutely. A dead terrorist makes a wonderful scapegoat. Especially when their is video of your client placing a bomb feet away from an eight-year-old.

Happy Nomad on April 22, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Religion eh:

For bombing suspects, question may be who led whom
By ALLEN G. BREED, ERIC TUCKER and JEFF DONN
— Apr. 20 11:07 PM EDT
**********************

(Erepts)

He said Tamerlan referred to the Bible as a “cheap copy” of the Quran, and that many of this country’s wars “are based upon the Bible — how it’s an excuse to invade other countries.”

On Nov. 29, he wrote:

“I kind of like religious debates, just hearing what other people believe is interesting and then crushing their beliefs with facts is fun.” And on Jan. 15: “I don’t argue with fools who say Islam is terrorism it’s not worth a thing, let an idiot remain an idiot.”

In March, Dzhokhar tweeted:

“Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.” A week and a half earlier, he reminded his followers, “Never underestimate the rebel with a cause.”
(More…)
=========

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/hierarchy-brothers-question-marathon-bombing

canopfor on April 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

No, Dusty, what Beck revealed was actually a very big deal and I’m very surprised other places haven’t picked it up.

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2013 at 8:13 PM

The Plot Thickens:
******************

Boston Marathon explosion

2 foreign students arrested in New Bedford, Mass., arrested on visa violations; may have known bombing suspects, Kazakhstan’s foreign ministry says – @BostonGlobe

2 mins ago by editor

https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe
===============================

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/22/students-from-kazakhstan-arrested-visa-violations/Hm1EkX5Knnr5gtbwmEotWJ/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw

canopfor on April 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM

gophergirl

GG give me a sec and ill link what Beck released this morning. I’m on my stupid tablet and I need to fire up the computer to get you the links.

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM

I keep asking this question but have yet to get an answer.

Where were these guys making these IEDs and pipe bombs? Not at Tamerlan’s house. Not in Dzhokhar’s dorm room. If these are just two happy go not-so-lucky kids making bombs, and apparently with some sophistication, where did they get the materials and where did they do the actual bomb assembly (and throw in there, storage of weapons)?

IndieDogg on April 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Thanks. If it went down that quick, I doubt it was pressure from the Feds. If there’s truth to it, it will get reported again.

Dusty on April 22, 2013 at 8:02 PM

There should be an explanation given so as not to fuel any conspiracy theories. Of course, the explanation will probably fuel conspiracy theories as well…

Lightspeed on April 22, 2013 at 8:16 PM

So,
which family of the dead/injured victim of the Boston bombing will come out forgiving the chechen jihady ? and when ?

burrata on April 22, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Motivated by religion.

Check.

Acted alone?

Really?

1.6 billion members of the religion of peace…

Some of the most un-alone people on earth.

coldwarrior on April 22, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Ok, GG and Dusty, here’s the link to what Beck’s found out.

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2013 at 8:20 PM

GG give me a sec and ill link what Beck released this morning. I’m on my stupid tablet and I need to fire up the computer to get you the links.

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Thanks – work has been so busy I can’t even look at HA during the day anymore.

gophergirl on April 22, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Rovin on April 22, 2013 at 7:46 PM
So Putin finally used the red reset button.

chemman on April 22, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I often wonder if when Putin calls, he asks for the amateur community organizer-in-chief.

Rovin on April 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Rovin on April 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Is Putin still using the Red phone?

coldwarrior on April 22, 2013 at 8:23 PM

I guess there’s no chance Tsarnaev would try to protect any co-conspirators./

mbs on April 22, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Ok, GG and Dusty, here’s the link to what Beck’s found out.

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Interesting – thanks

gophergirl on April 22, 2013 at 8:26 PM

What a hell hole of poisonous Progressive ideology Boston must be to have destroyed these two lives. There should be a federal investigation of the toxic non inclusive atmosphere these innocents had to endure.

Why aren’t people out in the streets screaming ..”WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG IN BOSTON?!!!???”

BL@KBIRD on April 22, 2013 at 8:27 PM

The main point of what Beck found out was that the Saudi was classified as a 212 3B. It seems as though the “3B” part is what’s most important. That tag is assigned to a “threat” (eg the Saudi) by the NTC with an “event file”. That tag can only be assigned to a person when all counter-terrorism agencies agree to assign it. The Saudi kid was assigned the tag 212 3B specifically in relation to the BOston bombing. Beck has a copy of that assignment and has sent it to 6 congressional members which resulted in the House intell committee to ask Janet Nap. for a classified meeting.

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2013 at 8:28 PM

I guess there’s no chance Tsarnaev would try to protect any co-conspirators./

mbs on April 22, 2013 at 8:25 PM

He’s a nice guy remember. I’m sure he’s telling the 100% truth.

(do I really need the sarc tag)

gophergirl on April 22, 2013 at 8:28 PM

The next interesting part concerning what Beck found out, is that the 212 3B tag can only be taken off by either the Director of the NTC or a high official in the State Dept. Beck doesn’t know how it was removed, but it was removed the next day. Such a short timeline between the assignment of the 3B status to the removal is highly unusual, according to Beck’s sources.

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2013 at 8:32 PM

The two lone wolves got all their bomb building information from the internet…what were the components? I heard the trigger device was too sophisticated for amateurs. When is the FBI’s next presser..?

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2013 at 8:28 PM

So Hussein is bowing to the Saudis ?
Noooooo….oooo…
Where is Fatty Moore to make a movie about it ????

burrata on April 22, 2013 at 8:35 PM

**************** Boston MosQue *******************

The Associated Press The Associated Press ‏@AP 1m

Mosque where Boston bombing suspects sometimes attended services says 1 of them had outbursts: http://apne.ws/Zh6USv-RJJ
================================================================

By GEOFF MULVIHILL
— Apr. 22 7:42 PM EDT
*********************

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/mosque-bomb-suspect-had-2-outbursts-last-year

canopfor on April 22, 2013 at 8:35 PM

I have less and less confidence that our federal law enforcement will give us straight answers. They back tracked on the Saudi National, and after asking a few questions, they can conclude that these 2 terrorists woke up one day and decided to be murderers. Who supplied them with guns and ammo? Where did the young one get his spending money. It seems like all the older one did was train in mixed martial arts.

booger71 on April 22, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Here’s what Beck said in conclusion, GG:

“Wednesday at 5:35 p.m. the file is altered,” Beck said. “This is unheard of, this is impossible in the timeline due to the severity of the charge….You don’t one day put a 212 3B charge against somebody with deportation, and then the next day take it off. It would require too much to do it.”

“There are only two people that could revoke the deportation order — the director of the NTC could do it after speaking with each department, the FBI, the ATC, etc. — which is impossible to do in such a short period of time, — or, somebody at the very highest levels of the State Department could do it. We don’t have any evidence to tell you which one did it,” Beck said.

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Any more word on the Saudi that was injured in the blast..? Has Big Sis got that tamped down..?

d1carter on April 22, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Of course it was Islam extremists. Why are you surprised, AP?

ladyingray on April 22, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Maybe it was brain damage from boxing? I’m surprised that that hasn’t been floated yet.

rw on April 22, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I’ve heard it discussed. I’m not buying it. If that’s true, then retired football players should be setting off bombs every day. The folks who sustain these kinds of severe head injuries tend to kill themselves, not construct and execute elaborate mass-murder plots. Ok, maybe O.J…..

joejm65 on April 22, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Acted alone.
Right.
What do you think they would say? Betray a fellow Jihadist?
We need to stop being so damn gullible.

Mimzey on April 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Congressman Duncan has detailed information about the Saudi national in his possession, and he and other members of the House Homeland Security Committee have sent a formal letter of request (which we have a copy of) to Napolitano for a classified briefing on the Saudi national and the deportation order.

I said house intell committee, I meant Homeland Sec. comm.

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Oops,thats Exerpts,not…(Erepts).

canopfor on April 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM

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