New study: Many highly educated people mistakenly believe they’re left-wing
posted at 8:36 pm on July 14, 2010 by Allahpundit
Really? The only one I can think of is Mickey Kaus.
The study suggests that some people may end up voting for left of centre parties because they hold the mistaken belief that they are left wing…
“The most startling result is that the more educated tend to believe that they are more left-wing than they are measured as being,” said Dr Rockey. “That is, well-educated individuals are more likely to think that they are quite left-wing but actually believe things that compared to the rest of the population would make them comparatively right-wing.
“The analysis suggests that the cause of this is different to the effect of gender, income, or job type. Other results suggest that men and those with higher-incomes are more likely to both think that they are rightwing and to be measured as such.”
Dr Rockey said one speculative explanation is that people may hold on to their perception that they have left-wing views, but that over time as their circumstances and social network changes their actual political opinions drift rightwards.
Two things. First, the sample involves 136,000 individuals from 82 countries, which may starkly limit its application to the U.S. After all, as every American poll-watcher knows, voters here are verrrrry reluctant to describe themselves as “liberal.” In fact, since 1992, the highest number willing to call themselves that was 22 percent in 2007 and 2008; by comparison, the lowest number willing to call themselves either “conservative” or “moderate” was the 35 percent who self-described as the latter this year. Plain and simple, the average world intellectual is probably more comfortable with the idea of him/herself as a left-winger — too comfortable, in fact, per the study’s results — than the average American intellectual is. Three cheers for our center-right country!
Second, while it’s true that lots of people become more conservative as they age, does anyone doubt that a huge swath cling to their left-wing identity not out of force of youthful habit but because they had it drummed into them in school that “intelligent” necessarily means “liberal”? The basic finding of the study is actually really banal: Namely, political labels aren’t a pure function of policy choices but carry all sorts of cultural and emotional baggage with them. If an intellectual associates voting conservative with being a moron, then yeah, of course he’s going to favor liberals even as he’s pining away for tax cuts. His pride is bound up in it; no doubt there are analogs for self-identified conservatives who favor some lefty policies (a rural voter squeamish about guns, maybe?). Exit question: Er, how do we explain David Brooks?
Update: A perfect illustration.
MATTHEWS: You, you sir, strike me, as I hate to use the word, as someone who’s well-educated. I know you went to UVA Law School. Is that hurting you? Is – no I’m dead serious about this. Do you get hurt in the Republican Party now for having had a fine education? Do people think, look askance at you and say, “Oh he’s an egghead, he’s got a good degree from UVA” Is that a problem now, it’s better to be a yahoo? Well I mean to be really uneducated like Palin, to really be proud of the fact you don’t know anything?









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This is very common. The majority of people in the USA does not know the difference between right and left. You can blame it on our public school system and the unions that run it.
jdun on July 14, 2010 at 8:39 PM
Too ‘educated’ to know the difference.
Common sense….yer born with it or you vote Democrat.
BigWyo on July 14, 2010 at 8:42 PM
That is an amazing example of becoming a caricature.
Weight of Glory on July 14, 2010 at 8:42 PM
I had this issue with a relative back in 08. He was sure he was a liberal leftist. I suggested he read Obama’s books. He said “I don’t agree with this at all!” Sometimes a little education is the key.
clnurnberg on July 14, 2010 at 8:43 PM
What. A. Shock.
Ian on July 14, 2010 at 8:47 PM
A weekend vacation in Vegas circa 1960?
Weight of Glory on July 14, 2010 at 8:48 PM
Heh, 50 percent of Democrats and left-leaning independents disapprove of ObaMao’s and the federal government’s handling of the Gulf oil spill and cleanup. Don’t even ask about the anger over the moratorium.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2010/07/negative_reviews_for_obama_on.html
onlineanalyst on July 14, 2010 at 8:49 PM
Emotionally I can be very libertarian. Intellectually I understand human nature enough to realize the need for ‘rules, boundaries, limitations’, and the need for enforcing those limits in a fair and equitable manner.
Skandia Recluse on July 14, 2010 at 8:49 PM
Well when you are bombarded with left wing propaganda 24/7 by all media outlets besides FOX News and talk radio you might start to think like that after a while.
Mr Purple on July 14, 2010 at 8:50 PM
Most of the country is somewhere right of center. Hopefully we’ll get someone to remind them all of that to come along soon. It’s been too long now.
Dash on July 14, 2010 at 8:51 PM
So the more educated you are the more delusional you are?
Patrick S on July 14, 2010 at 8:51 PM
I think part of this is the fact that the left claims to believe in a completely seperate set of values and positions then it actually believes in.
For example, should a man be judged by the content of his character, not the color of his skin? This is the position of the American right, but most casual liberals would claim that it is a liberal belief.
18-1 on July 14, 2010 at 8:51 PM
No… it’s the reverse that’s true…
Many left wing people mistakenly think they’re highly educated.
“We are smart” – paklids.
Skywise on July 14, 2010 at 8:54 PM
“A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged.” Most people climb out of poverty by getting older and gaining experience in the real world. There isn’t a lot of mystery here. It gets harder to hide your head in the sand as you get older. This learning process is called ‘wisdom’.
An award winning science blogger was oh so happy to see Teh Won elected. ‘Finally, we will see the return to real science after the rabid views/policies of Bush.’ He has muted that trumpet considerably in the last several months.
“Are we learning yet?”
GnuBreed on July 14, 2010 at 8:54 PM
It’s the objectification of decent, hard working Americans.
AUINSC on July 14, 2010 at 8:56 PM
Nah. Today I had to endure yet another university staff meeting with “intellectual liberals” who always complain that they have to pay taxes. Of course, they shouldn’t pay taxes. The “rich” should pay them, instead. The pre-meeting chat was about the U.S. being the most militaristic nation in history. Might be my conservative ignorance, but I think the Roman Empire wins that prize. The intellectual liberal who started the discussion is a former Canadian. If the U.S. is so nasty, why doesn’t he go back to Canada? Oh, I forgot, it’s superior intellects like him who are going to save the U.S. from itself. Blech. I still can’t get the bad taste out of my mouth.
Kalifornia Kafir on July 14, 2010 at 8:57 PM
That’s pretty offensive even by Matthews’ standards. He’s essentially saying everyone who voted for Nikki Haley hates black people.
Doughboy on July 14, 2010 at 8:58 PM
Tru dat, playa. Go to any college campus.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 14, 2010 at 8:59 PM
90% of all Liberal voters I know are actually conservatives or at least libertarians. When you go point by point…they are all right-wingers! It’s very frustrating.
visions on July 14, 2010 at 9:00 PM
I think this describes me before I became politically aware several years ago. Growing up in Chicago, there was never any choice in the local elections – vote for the Democrat or the loser (not a characterization of the individual, but literally, the person that would lose the election). Because of this, I was agnostic about parties and not interested in politics. That changed with all the vitriol surrounding W’s election in 2000. I couldn’t believe how unhinged people became and I saw lots of BDS in Chi-town.
mdenis39 on July 14, 2010 at 9:01 PM
Chris, does it hurt to be a bigoted asshat?
CurtZHP on July 14, 2010 at 9:02 PM
My father would say that the easiest people to fool are the ones that think they are smart. I’ve yet to see that be proven untrue. IMHO, the over educated think they are smart…ergo…
jukin on July 14, 2010 at 9:04 PM
Self examination is not common. And people latch onto certain ideas as they mature and without serious self examination they never realize their true identities and rely on what they have been told.
There is a silver lining though. The less serious a person is about understanding themselves the less likely they are to vote.
NotCoach on July 14, 2010 at 9:04 PM
One receives one’s education in cloisters, and one’s wisdom in the world outside.
There is no other way.
OldEnglish on July 14, 2010 at 9:06 PM
This! We must be twins.
SouthernGent on July 14, 2010 at 9:07 PM
How do you tell the expert in the room?
He’s the one that says it will take the longest and cost the most.
jukin on July 14, 2010 at 9:09 PM
A bit more realistic I think.
Guardian on July 14, 2010 at 9:10 PM
I am one of these, and yet I will never vote for any party that embraces anti-intellectualism like the Republican Party does.
James Dahl on July 14, 2010 at 9:10 PM
Crack the eggshell…
…destroy the left.
Lockstein13 on July 14, 2010 at 9:14 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Youre-Egalitarian-How-Come-Rich/dp/0674006933
ninjapirate on July 14, 2010 at 9:14 PM
Mitt Romney’s dual Masters Degrees from Harvard didn’t seem to hurt him.
I had a Political Science professor that loved to give a survey at the beginning of the semester that “proved” everyone in my conservative state weren’t as conservative as they thought. The problem is it was a squishy 1-5 scale with no context.
These people need to be publicly embarrassed because they’ll use any type of propaganda they can get their hands on.
scotash on July 14, 2010 at 9:15 PM
A lot of people call themselves liberal but just don’t know what it means. The things that they vote for at the federal level, they’d never implement in their households. But they simply don’t trust themselves to be right about national politics.
joe_doufu on July 14, 2010 at 9:15 PM
of course Allah uses an example that says nasty stuff about Palin.
the anti-palin hate form allah is getting to be too much
unseen on July 14, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Cause dem dere climate scientists are intellectual big people.
Now, I am not a Republican, but the lesser of two evils and all that. But please enlighten us on the intellectual party that continues to pursue proven disastrous economic and social policies and hoax filled sciences.
NotCoach on July 14, 2010 at 9:16 PM
I have to admit to having a certain amount of disdain for the educated elite. Who runs the banks that are too big to fail, requiring the average Joe to keep them solvent? Who runs the industries that require bail outs or are paying both sides to keep them afloat? Who runs Congress, making laws discouraging hard work and imagination and God forbid profit? Add to this the stories of grade inflation and automatic admittance based on alumni preference and good old boy networking, it’s hard to be impressed anymore. People who are liberal are either very very stupid or have found a way to scam the system.
Cindy Munford on July 14, 2010 at 9:16 PM
I’ve seen this often. A friend will claim to be liberal or progressive. When I question them about their views on policy issues it’s often clear that they’re conservative to moderate.
Bugler on July 14, 2010 at 9:17 PM
Yes, this public school teacher strung up kitties today, indoctrinated your children, then put arsenic in the cotton candy machine at the fair.
We all went into education because we hate you, we hate your kids, and we’re all secret, evil leftists bent on destroying their minds.
Color me disgusted with the constant garbage rhetoric surrounding teachers that goes on here day in, day out. It’s weak, knee-jerk and easy, like lefties whining about “BUSH!”
Really.
Grace_is_sufficient on July 14, 2010 at 9:17 PM
Heh. Obama is a graduate of Harvard and yet he is the most ignorant “educated” person I know. He would have been better off going to Guido Sarducci’s university.
Guardian on July 14, 2010 at 9:17 PM
No, you went into education because you can’t do. And because you can’t do the system must be broken so now you are going to teach all the young ones what is wrong with this broken system.
NotCoach on July 14, 2010 at 9:20 PM
Principles are things to be laughed at. What kind of people don’t do the best they can by the customers who buy or depend on their product? Who came up with acceptable loss? I am not talking about honest mistakes, I am talking about decisions that hurt people for the bottom line.
Cindy Munford on July 14, 2010 at 9:21 PM
Now is better than ever to tell, at least it should be to tell if one is left or right are you a socialist who thinks all power comes from the Government and if they deem with that power you should die you may be on the left.
Or one who thinks that the government should be out of one wallet and one bedroom and only God can decide if and when you should die you might be on the right.
tjexcite on July 14, 2010 at 9:21 PM
But do they change their vote?
Cindy Munford on July 14, 2010 at 9:21 PM
Kind of like Woody Allen, you’d never vote for a party that would have you as a member?
Ted Torgerson on July 14, 2010 at 9:21 PM
I think in recent years, the posture of intellectualism has become more popular than the spirit of inquiry intellectualism was supposed to foster. What kind of workers pick the beans for your coffee has become more important than the hours spent drinking said coffee pursuing a theory. Tres fashionable leftism substitutes for actual thought on the issues. Watching Jon Stewart substitutes for in-depth analysis of the news. Parroting talking points from Daily Kos or some other fever swamp substitutes for reading what someone actually said.
Sekhmet on July 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM
This is the problem with Americans today. Many people believe that if they accept gays/gay marriage, abortion or providing welfare to people – that they are “Liberal”. What they don’t understand is that in the parlance of the day, Liberal means Socialist/Communist/Marxist.
Liberals have coopted the word, and have gained tremendous power through doing so, simply because so many people first of, don’t realize this, and secondly, allow the MSM to put labels on people to segregate us. By allowing the MSM to create these false divisions, communication stops, and the agenda moves forward.
This is exactly revolutionary you know? Just look at Pre WWII Germany for a precise diagram of how this all works.
KMC1 on July 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM
Ken Saladbar of the Inferior Department (not original to me) has an agenda to push. He is opposed to using our natural resources, however superior our national technology is. The commission is as skewed against developing our natural resources and pushing for econically destructive policies as is the debt commission is in pushing for a VAT tax.
onlineanalyst on July 14, 2010 at 9:25 PM
I have family members resembling this topic; fairly well educated, work hard for their families, and generally live their lives like conservatives. But when it comes to voting, they are suddenly super democrats.
I think like someone else mentioned before, they are basically libertarians, but have fallen for the constant brow beating that republicans (i.e. conservatives) just want to eat babies or something.
Gyro on July 14, 2010 at 9:25 PM
That’s a good question. In my experience, no, they don’t change their vote. I can’t understand it, but even when I can demonstrate clearly that the GOP is much closer to their views, they still vote Dem.
Bugler on July 14, 2010 at 9:25 PM
Oops, wrong thread.
onlineanalyst on July 14, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Do you have proof I “can’t do”? Or are you relying on a little phrase you heard once?
Also? The highlighted sentence is one long, abysmal run-on.
Grace_is_sufficient on July 14, 2010 at 9:26 PM
“MATTHEWS: … Well I mean to be really uneducated like Palin, to really be proud of the fact you don’t know anything?”
Pot, meet kettle.
KS Rex on July 14, 2010 at 9:27 PM
Yes. I’ve noticed that many of these people seem so closely identified with a single issue, say abortion or union support, that they ignore everything else.
Bugler on July 14, 2010 at 9:28 PM
I find it ironic that the “smart” people have gotten us into 2 wars they can’t win, $14 trillion in debt Spending more than $1.5 trillion than they take in. almost 10% unemployment. Have taken the fall of the Berlin Wall and made mush out of the chance to rule the world to export american style freedom across the world. these “smart” people have brought us two massive stock/economic bubbles in the last dacade, caused untold misery across the country and the world. These “smart” people now want to give up our nuclear shield, our ability to destory incoming missles. They have also allowed others to take our soverignity away, tied us to the UN and world court as well as the WTO. These “smart” people have also allowed the invasion of 12 million illegals destoryed are ability to defend our borders destroyed the ability to even define a border. they have depopulated entire cities like Detroit due to their smarts.
I think its time we let the “stupid” people have a chance
unseen on July 14, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Nope. Never met an educator who knew squat. Perhaps that’s why I dislike school so much. I’m a self taught controls engineer. And I am sure I write many run on sentences. I’ll take the F and continue actually doing.
NotCoach on July 14, 2010 at 9:31 PM
You must not be “highly educated”. :-)
Rod on July 14, 2010 at 9:31 PM
The definition of insanity turns up a lot lately. Coincidence I am sure.
Cindy Munford on July 14, 2010 at 9:32 PM
If you don’t know where you are going, any road will get you there.
Cheshire Cat on July 14, 2010 at 9:35 PM
How many dumb, uneducated people vote for Democrats?
Stupid knows no socio-economic boundary
blatantblue on July 14, 2010 at 9:37 PM
newsflash … and many “researchers” think their shoveled bullshite doesn’t stink.
rayra on July 14, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Is it possible the word pr0jection in a comment got it booted?
Cindy Munford on July 14, 2010 at 9:38 PM
The only “well-educated” people toward whom I have disdain are those like Matthews who presume to talk down to everyone else they deem to be inferior because of their inflated sense of self.
hillbillyjim on July 14, 2010 at 9:41 PM
In 6 days this worthless POS Chris Matthews will be the guest speaker at a dinner lecture at the Reagan LIbrary, where he will speak about the importance of civility in political debate.
rayra on July 14, 2010 at 9:41 PM
Trying to assign behavior to traits – in this case IQ, is not a new phenomena, I do think it is a waste of time.
Culturally human beings like to belong to bigger groups…it’s a hang over from our primitive past “Safety In Numbers” No need to over think some humans proclivity toward CONFORMITY. Instead of looking at “Traits” I would ask is their self image (Left Leaning Politically) is formed by Nature or Nurture.
Dr Evil on July 14, 2010 at 9:43 PM
Not likely.
semloh on July 14, 2010 at 9:44 PM
FIFMyself.
hillbillyjim on July 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM
What a deliberately ignorant moron. Such irony.
rayra on July 14, 2010 at 9:46 PM
I invite this histrionic and anyone who sneers LIKE her to come on over and read the parade of outrageous articles detailing the atrocities taking place DAILY in our education systems.
http://www.grouchyconservativepundits.com/index.php?board=13.0
rayra on July 14, 2010 at 9:49 PM
Public education, academia and the media tell these people constantly that conservatism is a jerkish philosophy for the ignorant and immature. And most people are too busy living their personal lives, or being distracted by entertainment, to examine their beliefs.
That’s why crisis – that old danger/opportunity confluence – can be so valuable. Just skating smoothly along no longer works, so people finally begin to dig for answers. Thanks to obama, we may be seeing a great move of independents toward the Right.
God redeems everything for those who continue to look to Him even in the difficulties of crisis. A lot of people are praying this very thing for our nation at this time.
paul1149 on July 14, 2010 at 9:51 PM
There is another category, between the two positions you mention – ‘libertarian socialist’. It’s real and it’s a real problem, populated by selfish young dopers for the most part, and legions of people who expect / demand other people to pay for their sins, even while they themselves demand total freedom.
rayra on July 14, 2010 at 9:53 PM
Hi, holmes spelled backwards. How are you? I guess I will try the comment again.
Cindy Munford on July 14, 2010 at 9:56 PM
Not only does it not hurt, it pays well. I believe I have heard what he does called pr0jection.
Cindy Munford on July 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM
Not only does it not hurt but it pays well.
Cindy Munford on July 14, 2010 at 9:59 PM
Not sure if it was the a$$hat in the original quote of the “unlikely” word but it didn’t like it.
Cindy Munford on July 14, 2010 at 10:01 PM
I know one who argues against the legalization of prostitution on the grounds of dilution of copyright, yet rants constantly about the legal status of pot.
It drives me nuts because he’s otherwise a sensible (if sometimes oafish and preachy) Christian conservative who despises people that live off others’ money.
Dark-Star on July 14, 2010 at 10:03 PM
Doesn’t take long for the truth to appear. YOU didn’t like school, therefore the educational system is a waste. I don’t like the hospital. Should we do away with the medical profession?
And lest you say, “But we need medical care!”…well, we need to teach our children too. We can quibble about whether parents should leave the workforce and homeschool, parents should send children to private school, etc. But somehow–whether you enjoyed school or not–children need to learn.
So what is your grand plan for this to happen? Answer carefully, now. You admitted you’re a self-taught engineer who fails at grammar. You admitted you’re not skilled at everything. Do you expect teachers should be infallible, then? Or what standard should we hold for teachers, and at what compensation level?
I’ll sit right here and await your insight.
Grace_is_sufficient on July 14, 2010 at 10:03 PM
It’s simple really… The MSM portray he left as being cool and quite the rebel side of politics… People like to be thought of as ‘cool’. Educated folks want to seem cooler than they are, so they vote ‘cool’.
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OT… Just got a promotion at work today. It should mean a real office (w/door as opposed to the cubical I have shared with someone up to now), won’t know all the details until next week.
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Just sayin… Show up every day, work hard, become very knowledgeable at the company’s business… and you too can earn a title that means more work and responsibility for pretty much the same pay.
As a big plus though… I get to be the guy who hires 12 people in this economy (4 regular and 8 temps to become regular after 90 days)… so that makes it all good no matter.
RalphyBoy on July 14, 2010 at 10:06 PM
There is nothing that bothers me more about politics in this country than the fact that the group of people who call everyone racists are, in fact, the racists.
As for this Bob Inglis. To be honest, twenty minutes ago I didn’t know a thing about him. After reading part of that transcript I know plenty. The country is better off with him soon out of office.
[quote]INGLIS: There, there is a sense out there that ignorance is strength.[/quote]
No, there isn’t. Go away. Enjoy your forced retirement.
strictnein on July 14, 2010 at 10:09 PM
Still knee-jerk, cheap and easy, rayra. Let me ask you: how much time have you spent observing teachers in your local public schools? Observing students? Do you volunteer? Tell me of your expertise, please. Other than compiling the most unusual stories, that is.
I don’t defend the teacher unions, in almost all cases. I am not a union shill. However, I’m sick of cheap and easy potshots taken at individuals in my profession. My fellow conservatives have become lazy and single-minded on this issue, always throwing darts, never offering solutions.
Grace_is_sufficient on July 14, 2010 at 10:11 PM
From Wikipedia on Inglis:
Oh, but this guy is a total “conservative”. What a joke. Increased government regulation of the internet and what adults wish to do with their own money and time, against the surge, pro climate change, against offshore drilling, etc etc. Thank you South Carolina for dumping this guy.
strictnein on July 14, 2010 at 10:17 PM
I have both worked for and volunteered in a school system. While I agree that they are a mess and that we are dumbing down our nation, some of the students these teachers have to deal with are not to be believed. Unaccountability would appear to be hereditary and environmental. The students can act out to their unbridled lengths and the parents will tell you in the same sentence that it’s not their problem and you better not try to do anything about it. I still blame the schools because they are the ones who decided to expand their mandate beyond academics and it is a no win situation.
Cindy Munford on July 14, 2010 at 10:24 PM
School is useful to a point. There are no absolutes in life. Learning to read and write and basic mathematics are a necessity in today’s world. And if I felt my doctor was a fool who I would consider him pretty worthless as well. But fortunately I can still find a different doctor if that happens to be the case. A teacher on the other hand is not very useful when one can learn whatever they need to know without one. I don’t trust myself though to self medicate accurately or to perform medical procedures on myself so doctors and hospitals remain useful.
NotCoach on July 14, 2010 at 10:26 PM
My wife is a perfect example of this. A very intelligent educated woman who knew nothing about politics, she for years voted Democratic because she mistakenly believed she was a liberal. After I explained to her that her political views were decidedly libertarian I finally put a stop to that.
eyedoc on July 14, 2010 at 10:33 PM
I believe that most of the teachers in “flyover country” are well-meaning, dedicated, motivated people whose only overarching agenda is to get kids to learn and to prepare them for adulthood.
There are many dedicated teachers who could be making significantly more money in other fields who do what they do out of selfless concern for our children, and a desire to be a positive influence.
There seem to be many teachers in the metropolitan centers who have an agenda that includes teaching children to think in a certain way, to believe what they themselves believe, and attempt to brainwash children with political rhetoric disguised as “creative” methodology. Also their are the “social justice” driven ideologues who are intent on knocking down exceptional achievement in the name of a “level playing field”.
Of course their are great, good, mediocre, bad, and horrible teachers everywhere; the main problems that lead to many others are the tenure system and union influence that don’t allow for the unqualified teachers to be weeded out of schools as they would be were the system not distorted.
My $0.02.
hillbillyjim on July 14, 2010 at 10:37 PM
Inglis is such a tool. Good riddance, d-bag…thank you SC for voting him out.
changer1701 on July 14, 2010 at 10:40 PM
We’ve got Trouble and that starts with T which rhymes with C and stands for conservative.
My well educated cousins all voted for the O. One regrets it now. They have also fallen for many of the other great scams like global warming while complaining about how cold it was in NJ and VA the last couple of years.
cobrakai99 on July 14, 2010 at 10:44 PM
I TOTALLY believe this. I know so many people who are for low taxes, pro-Israel, for a tough foreign policy, think environmentalism is a lot of hype and that the government should stay out of people’s lives, yet hated Bush and describe themselves as liberal. Usually because they hate evangelicals (yet of course have never met any).
Karol on July 14, 2010 at 10:45 PM
schooled != educated
Ronnie on July 14, 2010 at 10:53 PM
Well, this explains why disaffected McGovern pols become Republicans.
J_Crater on July 14, 2010 at 11:21 PM
What happened to all those demands that all Conservatives become moderates.
Speakup on July 14, 2010 at 11:30 PM
Do we look for things to make us go?
Lanceman on July 14, 2010 at 11:47 PM
AP, you are simply wrong. You have no idea how many “leftists” tell me that they like my ideas. While the social cons would be deeply unhappy with what I have to say, there are so many more people who like Western Civ and economic freedom who have been trapped by the current left/right divide. If it weren’t silly and perhaps immoral, I’d make public the last two email message that I got on Facebook. There is a lot of love out there among nominal Democrats for economic freedom and a West that defends itself.
thuja on July 14, 2010 at 11:53 PM
My beloved ex has so many righty views & beliefs (anti-abortion, pro-gun, seal the borders, etc)… it is still astounding to me that she hates the right. She still claims to be proud of voting for Obambi, but I’m guessing its all peer pressure from her office (total left-wing bunch).
She’s cool, though, as long as we steer clear of politics.
Ugly on July 15, 2010 at 12:02 AM
Well, the problem is that this is data collected over a period of 20 years. When discussing liberal and conservative values, it would be helpful to see the questions asked on the survey.
Remember, 20 years ago many people (and some still do in other parts of the world) equate “liberal” with what we would now consider a conservative Libertarian.
Also, it’s a comparative issue as well. What is considered a liberal philosophy in some countries would be conservative in others.
I have a feeling this study is an exercise in moving the goal posts for liberalism.
ButterflyDragon on July 15, 2010 at 12:30 AM
I notice that while they use the word ‘educated’ a lot, the word ‘smart’ doesn’t show up.
jeanie on July 15, 2010 at 12:43 AM
You are right on all points in your post, but to be fair his position on this issue puts him squarely in the mainstream of conservative Republican congressmen. You know, ’cause it’s uber true to conservative principles of limited government, personal responsibility, and liberty to ban and regulate “sin.”
jjraines on July 15, 2010 at 1:20 AM
Chris is certifiably deranged.
Schadenfreude on July 15, 2010 at 1:23 AM
The definition of ‘educated’ is not made clear. Somehow I think it is equated to the number of years spent in school.
snaggletoothie on July 15, 2010 at 1:31 AM
It was a 1-8 scale used to measure education. I found the link to the actual study and looked at what data I could. The questions used on the surveys were not available, but the grading scale with standard deviations to the answers were given.
http://www.le.ac.uk/ec/research/RePEc/lec/leecon/dp09-23.pdf
ButterflyDragon on July 15, 2010 at 1:37 AM
Redefining and relabeling is the only way their ideology survives. It fails when examined, and fails every time it’s implemented. They remedy this inconvenient truth with intellectual dishonesty about themselves and their opponents. Just look at how they’ve successfully distorted “liberal” to their benefit, and defined “fascism” as right-wing. They lie because they cannot win in the arena of ideas.
And how is it these ostensibly higher educated, sophisticated people depend on ad hominem as the basis of their arguments? One side talks policy, philosophy, history, founding documents, and ideology rooted in independent intellectual curiosity — the other responds by decrying them as ignorant stupid racists. The end. That is the extent of their reasoning. This is educated thinking, according to the likes of Matthews.
jjraines on July 15, 2010 at 1:46 AM
The GI Bill after WWII opened up the avenues to higher education in this country to the greatest number of people until that time.
The descendants of those who took advantage of the GI Bill back then were, I believe, much more likely to pursue college as a part of a life plan than those who did not.
If you look at college-educated during the 60s and early 70s — the hippie, love generation, anti-war years — most came out of school as devotees of the Kennedys, and worked for McGovern in 1972 (though they apparently forgot to go vote that November).
By November, 1976, they were a little older and did go to vote, ushering in the era of the peanut farmer.
IMHO, it took the serious problems of the Carter years to snap many of these young people into sync with their own internal beliefs — the tenets by which they were raised and not the phony liberal value system they learned in college. In 1980, many of them turned Republican or at least voted that way for many years to come.
I don’t know if this is or will hold true for this era. If the horror that is the Obama era doesn’t act as an electroshock treatment to most who voted for him, I would assume there is no hope for the sleepers at all.
Greyledge Gal on July 15, 2010 at 3:11 AM
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