Video: 2008 primary election irregularities alleged in new documentary

posted at 11:36 am on July 12, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Put me down as skeptical on this one. Fox News interviews Gigi Gaston, a Democrat who produced a new documentary, We Will Not Be Silent 2008 that alleges irregularities in the 2008 Democratic primaries committed by the Barack Obama campaign. Gaston accuses Obama and his team of stealing the election from Hillary Clinton through voter fraud, intimidation, and dirty tricks (via The Right Scoop):


The allegations appear to be entirely confined to caucus states, which is one of the reasons I’m skeptical. Caucuses are bare-knuckled brawls where the parties make the rules and the campaigns routinely and viciously fight over them. I have no trouble believing that Team Obama played hardball and cut as many corners as they could without getting caught. What I have trouble believing is that Hillary Clinton wasn’t doing the exact same thing in these states. After all, Hillary was hardly a babe in the woods. The Clinton Machine had been fighting these battles since Obama was in high school. Now we’re suddenly to believe that they were manning the Good Ship Lollipop in 2008 and were shocked, shocked to find that caucuses aren’t played by Marquess de Queensbury rules?

This is one of the reasons that I believe primaries are usually a better way to select nominees, especially for higher offices. They’re not impervious to fraud and abuse, but it’s a more level ground, and the stakes for committing malfeasance are at least somewhat higher than in caucuses.

Update: I’ve gotten a couple of testy e-mails from the producers, but after watching the clips from the still-incomplete documentary, I’m still not convinced that this somehow rises above the usual elbows and sucker punches one sees at caucuses. But more to the point, if this is all somehow true and Obama “stole” the nomination from Hillary, then why did Hillary (a) endorse Obama, (b) campaign for him, and (c) leave the Senate to take the SecState job? Are we to believe that the biggest victim of the theft is somehow playing along with it? After all, she could have easily stayed in the Senate, win re-election this year (Republicans may not even be able to beat her replacement, and geared up for a 2012 primary challenge to Obama. The fact that she didn’t should tell people that the collection of irregularities doesn’t amount to a stolen election.

This is still a very useful documentary, and well worth watching, for another reason: to show why states should dump the caucus system and stick with primaries. When you see complainants attempting to explain the arcane rules, forms, and customs of caucuses in order to explain how they believe the Obama team manipulated and defrauded the system, the viewer is left wondering why any rational community would put up with a system like caucusing.


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Hillary’s inaction on this should tell these people what’s going to happen to their claims. Maybe the media will “Joe the Plumber” them too.

clnurnberg on July 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Sounds like a ‘report’ that might have been commissioned by the Clintons.

Labamigo on July 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM

This is ridiculous! Barack H. Obama, a successful graduate of Chicago politics, would never be involved in, nor condone, vote fraud and voter intimidation.

ncborn on July 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Now we’re suddenly to believe that they were manning the Good Ship Lollipop in 2008…?

Heh. No kidding.

keebs on July 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Don’t just watch this clip. There are a ton of clips on the we won’t be silenced website. I don’t buy that this is “business as usual”… in Caucuses.

hmfearny on July 12, 2010 at 11:44 AM

What difference does it make? It’s not like they have to obey the law or anything.

Daggett on July 12, 2010 at 11:45 AM

This is well known in Hillary supporters. Basically Hill and Bill were caught off-guard by O, and thrown off by all the racist charges. Basically they couldn’t do anything in the Dem primary because of the influence of black population and the far-left.

Neuron on July 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM

It’s not believable that Obama is an even bigger cheat than the Clintons? Is that why Bill called him a Chicago thug?

RedRedRice on July 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Look for some serious voter intimidation for the midterm election. The New Black Panther Party will get in your face just like President Obama wants.

Blue Collar Todd on July 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM

I wonder if Adams has looked into this also to see if it is true?
L

letget on July 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM

And this is coming out less than 4 months before the next election, why???

katy on July 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Peep that chyron! “Documentary has evidence Obama stole election”. Entirely unsubstantiated, of course, but hey, lets just assume this documentary has actual evidence and run with it! FOX viewers are such uncritical sheep that of course they’ll eat it up right off the screen, and start idiotic chain emails to all their redneck friends with PROOF!! that Obama the marxist kenyan stole the election.

FOX: Idiocracy’s prophesies realized.

ernesto on July 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Operation “Pay Back” at your service…

Seven Percent Solution on July 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM

I just figure the FEC is an arm of the Democratic/Government party these days.

WisCon on July 12, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Wow, Ed. I am surprised by your skeptical reaction to this. This group has been working on the film for over a year, and it wasn’t just in Texas where there were massive irregularities and thug tactics used by the Obama campaign. In fact, Texas was a sideshow that didn’t matter all that much in determining the outcome of the Democratic nomination.

The real theft of the nomination happened in Iowa and Nevada. There are credible reports of hundreds (and possibly thousands) of people being illegally bussed in to Iowa from Illinois to caucus for Obama, of signup sheets being stolen, of Clinton voters being locked out and physically intimidated, etc. Iowa has been running caucuses forever and there were reports of stuff being done by Obama’s people that nobody in Iowa had even seen before or even contemplated. Hillary’s operatives expected an ordinary and typical caucus process; they did not expect an Alinsky-style mob takeover. It’s a bit hard to fault the Clinton camapign for not expecting what nobody had ever seen before.

As you recall, Obama’s stunning victory in the Iowa caucuses catapulted him to front-runner status even before any Democratic prinaries were held, and put a severe dent in Hillary’s campaign of inevitability. Nevada came soon after and the SEIU thug force was out for Obama and probably stole that one too.

The entire strategy of Obama’s campaign was to win these early caucuses “by any means necessary” and then start pressuring the Superdelegates – especially the Black Caucus members that had been committed to Hillary – to switch to Obama, before any significant primaries were held. They knew Obama would not beat Hillary in most of the primaries. It was a long-shot strategy but they made it work.

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Ed you should look at how people were locked out,kicked out,cursed at etc. it was really Chicago-Acorn voter intimidation.It was beyond hardball, it was illegal.

tim c on July 12, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Hillary was hardly a babe

Truer words were never spoken.

CurtZHP on July 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM

In 1996 at age 34, Obama ran for the state Senate in a dubious campaign that is barely known of, outside of Chicago. Alice Palmer, the incumbent, had decided to run for Congress and supported Obama as her successor. But after Palmer’s congressional campaign ran into trouble, she changed her mind and decided to run for re-election to the Illinois Senate after all. Obama refused to step aside and the melee ensued. One of Scooter’s volunteers challenged whether Palmer’s nominating petitions were even legal. Obama’s campaign pulled the same chicanery concerning the petitions of other candidates. Palmer dropped out, and the other candidates were disqualified. So, Obama won unopposed in the Democratic primary—guaranteeing his victory in the general election.

The Clintons are far from innocent. They just underestimated Obama.

kingsjester on July 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM

So the Dems are tossing the king of bus tossers under the bus?

This woman is clearly a racist.

Obama and fraud go together like pancakes and sweet maple syrup.

Hening on July 12, 2010 at 11:52 AM

And then when the Chicago thugs run roughshod over Republicans in November, people will be like Ricky Ricardo: Wha happened?

RedRedRice on July 12, 2010 at 11:52 AM

My advice…stand back, throw a little log every once in awhile on the fire…get the hot dogs, popcorn, and sit and watch.

right2bright on July 12, 2010 at 11:52 AM

I have no trouble believing that Team Obama played hardball and cut as many corners as they could without getting caught. What I have trouble believing is that Hillary Clinton wasn’t doing the exact same thing in these states

You’re naive Ed… Team Obama was notoriously thugish when it came to the caucuses…

ninjapirate on July 12, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Oh, boo-hoo. Watch to the video and hear the democrat filmmaker saying “I never thought my party would do this.” Huh!? Honey, your party’s been “doing this” for my entire lifetime. You’re just pissed that they used their dirty, corrupt tactics on one of their own. The whole point of her damn film is “They’re supposed to be stealing elections from Republicans, not from each other.” Screw ‘em. Screw every last one of them. When you live in the sewer, sooner or later the crap lands on you. But it’s your sewer, lady. You, your fellow travelers, and your precious Bill and Hillary built it, and now you’ve gotta live with it. Screw you.

Rational Thought on July 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Let me add that if the caucuses had been won legally by Obama, it was a brilliant campaign that took full advantage of the screwy delegate selection rules in the Democratic Party. Democrats have a long history of reworking their rules after every election, especially those that they have lost. (I’m something of a student of this, as a long-ago boyfriend of mine worked on the DNC rules commission that followed the 1980 election, and my soon-to-be husband worked on the Mondale primary campaign in 1984.)

The rules are very arcane and most serious campaigns hire people just to keep track of the rules and make sure their campaign is exploiting them. Hillary’s campaign apparently didn’t do this because they just didn’t take Obama seriously enough as an opponent until he suddenly got the lead in the delegate count, and by that time it was essentially over. Her campaign didn’t even know which primary states were winner-take-all, much less how easy it would be to take over the early caucuses and pile up delegates before any actual primaries were held.

So I don’t have a lot of sympathy for Hillary or her followers, but I do think it is important to learn the facts and understand that Barack Obama probably did steal the nomination from Hillary. It is highly indicative of the brass-knuckles, by-any-means-necessary fashion in which he is governing as President.

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM

The Extreme Lefty Wing Conspiracy Cabal
screwed over Team Hillary and the HilRodVoterBots!!

canopfor on July 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Hillary was hardly a babe

Right, but I don’t see that as any reason to ignore all this. Instead of excusing his ‘irregularities’ with hers, let’s stir her pot also.

petefrt on July 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM

the vids of the documentary have been out for two years. The stories have been out for about three years. This stuff was being reported on blogs as it was happening. As I said in the greenroom post, I can’t believe some of you have never seen this before!

We were reporting it/blogging about it from day one. Obama supporters just kept yelling RACIST, but this was about the fraud that Hillary supporters saw all over the country. People filmed buses of Obama supporters showing up from out of state, Obama supporters locking Clinton supporters out of caucus halls…. Gawd, I saw this stuff almost daily during the primary.

Why do you think the PUMA movement came to be? For these very reasons, and for the DNC actions in Florida. (not because of *racism*) These vids were posted all over PUMA blogs two years ago.

sarainitaly on July 12, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Meanwhile in other news, free agent basketball player goes to another team, Spain wins the World Cup and the sun rose in the east this morning.

davek70 on July 12, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Peep that chyron! “Documentary has evidence Obama stole election”. Entirely unsubstantiated, of course, but hey, lets just assume this documentary has actual evidence and run with it! FOX viewers are such uncritical sheep that of course they’ll eat it up right off the screen, and start idiotic chain emails to all their redneck friends with PROOF!! that Obama the marxist kenyan stole the election.

FOX: Idiocracy’s prophesies realized.

ernesto on July 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Ahh, ernesto has come full internet child circle. Little child lectures about sheep, yet was not even alive when there was no “Faux News”.

Hey child, fact or redneck myth? Did Obama’s web team not disable address verification for online private donations? I am sure MSNBC and HuffPo investigated it extensively so I will expect links shortly.

ClassicCon on July 12, 2010 at 12:00 PM

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Megadittos, rockmom.

petefrt on July 12, 2010 at 12:01 PM

This is NOT a new documentary. It came out about the time of the election. It got no traction then, but has found new life in the light of the DOJ voting scandal.

rlyle on July 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM

and sit and watch.

right2bright on July 12, 2010 at 11:52 AM

That is certainly what most brave Docker wearing conservatives are best at.

ClassicCon on July 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM

So one set of political thugs got beaten at their own game by another set of political thugs. Pfft. Cry me a river.

ddrintn on July 12, 2010 at 12:06 PM

ED: I must humbly disagree. If you follow the stories, and read reports of what happened that are still coming out, and add to it the DOJ case-closing on the NBPs, then the level of crime and corruption is impeachment-worthy:

PantherGATE: OBAMA’S WATERGATE

Mutnodjmet on July 12, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Now we’re suddenly to believe that they were manning the Good Ship Lollipop in 2008 and were shocked, shocked to find that caucuses aren’t played by Marquess de Queensbury rules?

Actually, I can believe this. Not because Hillary was some naive babe in the woods, but that she and her campaign had come to believe the press about her “inevitability” and her coming coronation. They were caught flat-footed by the strength of the Obama campaign and weren’t ready to fight in all those small-state caucuses, which is where Obama racked up so many delegates. By the time she started taking him to the mat later in the primaries, it was already too late for her.

(I recall reading reports of the NV caucus: Hillary did win that, but there were credible reports of the Obama campaign using SEIU and other union goons to do all they could to misdirect or lock-out Hillary delegates.)

That documentary may well just represent the whining of bitter Hillary fans, but I think there’s more to it than you’re allowing.

irishspy on July 12, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Going to take a page from right2bright and sit back, watch and decide. My distrust of the DNC and most Dem operatives is just to deep to readily believe that they have changed their ways. Time will tell.

jeanie on July 12, 2010 at 12:07 PM

The RNC should prepare public service announcements to be released weeks before the Nov. election warning people to report such voter intimidation charges immediately to the police.

kurtzz3 on July 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Wow, Ed. I am surprised by your skeptical reaction to this.

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Ed has graduated from the Bill O’Reilly school of overcompensating to appear impartial.

Daggett on July 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

ernesto on July 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Stop being such an @sshole. I know you’re capable.

Esthier on July 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

If anything, it is time for a standardized election process.

That would eliminate a lot of shennanigans. Every state uses the same voting method, primary votes are all on the same day – none of this favoring one state over another. Why should voters in Iowa and Hew Hampshire carry more weight? No more of this silly bandwagon jumping.

Seems to me, the powers that be love to make things as complicated as possible because it gives them more room to manipulate the process.

reaganaut on July 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM

The stories have been out for about three years.

sarainitaly on July 12, 2010 at 12:00 PM

The stories were out before the first caucuses were held?

That, in itself, would make me a bit suspicious.

notropis on July 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM

What people don’t realize is that there were lots of Hillary supporters, like me, that considered themselves Independent, left leaning, mainly because of social issues. I was never anywhere near the far left, and always considered myself Indy, with some conservative views, too.

But, I had bought into the BS the Dems fed me for years. The Obama/Clinton primary opened my/our eyes. Since then, I have moved farther to the right, along with many others and we will never vote Democrat again.

As for where I stand with Hillary, the only thing she could do to change my opinion of her now, is to challenge Obama in 2012, as an Indy.

sarainitaly on July 12, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Hillbuzz has long talked about Barry shipping Purple People Beaters and other miscellaneous Chicago thugs to Iowa to rough up the middle aged and senior women who had the audacity to back Hillary at the caucuses.

obladioblada on July 12, 2010 at 12:10 PM

The Obama web site accepted donations with no security checks at all on credit cards. How can that not be a violation?

I agree that the FEC is just another wing of the DNC.

John Deaux on July 12, 2010 at 12:10 PM

ockmom, excellent post.

After all we’ve witnessed it is hard to believe that some of you, including our Hotair hosts, are still so naive about the Obama gang.

flyfisher on July 12, 2010 at 12:10 PM

There are credible reports of hundreds (and possibly thousands) of people being illegally bussed in to Iowa from Illinois to caucus for Obama,

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM

On the YouTube version of this, a commenter was saying that there was obvious fraud because black people showed up to vote in Iowa. There’s only one problem with this: As much as Iowa is decried as a “white state,” it has seen a lot of immigration by East Africans and Hispanics to work industrial jobs (mostly meatpacking plants). Some of them may have left for more liberal states, but Des Moines is far from being homogeneously white, and it was Des Moines that a good chunk of the nation watched for first-in-the-nation Hawkeye Caucuii.
I’m sure there was some chicanery involved, but to base it on the race of the people voting is not a good idea, in my opinion.

pookysgirl on July 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM

I am telling you that HRC will oppose Obama in 2012. Small bits of info are coming out now to soften the public to the idea.

I am sure that Bill and Hill saw the writing on the wall in 2008 and realized they could NOT win. I am also sure they are sitting on all the good dirt on the Obamas and will release it bit by bit.

Obama and his team knocked the Clinton’s back on their heels in 2008, but I’m positive they’ve regained their footing.

It will be a bloody battle. Further, the media will begin to jump ship and go to the Hillary camp as conditions worsen with our economy, the oil spill, etc.

Oink on July 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM

I’m shocked, shocked! This should be a Capt. Louis Renault Award, Ed.

Why is this coming out now? There’s no honor among thieves (or Democrats).

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM

The whole point of her damn film is “They’re supposed to be stealing elections from Republicans, not from each other.”

Rational Thought on July 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM

Yeah, really. What concerns me is these November elections that are supposed to be very close like the one in Nevada. It wouldn’t be all that hard to stuff the ballot boxes with enough votes to put some of these Dems over the top, especially if the polls are within the margin of error.

But just look at what they got away with up in Minnesota when Franken “won”…that was so blatantly crooked and they easily got away with that. But even when folks take to the streets in other countries over stuff like this, ultimately the crooks tend to stay in power anyway.

Besides We The People have been allowing this to go on for decades and decades on all levels of government. Sometimes I think the America we believe we lived in was never really there, at least over the last 150 years or so…an illusion.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Why do you think the PUMA movement came to be? For these very reasons, and for the DNC actions in Florida. (not because of *racism*) These vids were posted all over PUMA blogs two years ago.

sarainitaly on July 12, 2010 at 12:00 PM

I feel for PUMAs, but they’re only being treated like conservatives. The racism card is very effective.

Esthier on July 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Lemme see who I want to believe about Alinskying the 2008 primaries:
Hillary who sang paeans to Alinsky in her college thesis
or
Hussain who taught Alinsky to college students

Not easy at all. Maybe P!$$y Mathews can help …Alinsky is his hero afterall

macncheez on July 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM

It’s basically the Hillbuzz guys that have been pushing this forever. They are huge, huge Hillary supporters and have their own agenda (i.e. electing Hillary Clinton President). I did like the site because they all live in Chicago and generally had snarky stories about local politics/ issues. But they have really, really swung right as of late.. I don’t know if it’s ODS, pandering to their commentors (many of whom believe the birth certificate fantasy), or ensuring that the Clintons remain relevant by forcing the Republicans too far right, but something is up. I’d warn people from taking this as Gospel truth. The Clintons have their own agenda, just like El Rusbo had his own agenda with Operation Chaos.

Illinidiva on July 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM

At the Iowa caucus held near the University of Iowa the ‘Hillary representative’ was a real @ss and alienated enough supporters of the minor candidates that she ended up with no delegates to the next level. A number of her supporters I talked to afterwords suspected that her supposed representative was a plant.

agmartin on July 12, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Racists !

borntoraisehogs on July 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM

The stories were out before the first caucuses were held?

That, in itself, would make me a bit suspicious.
notropis on July 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Sorry, it seems like three years. The Iowa caucus was January 2008, and Texas was March, so it has been ~2.5 years. It seems like longer.

sarainitaly on July 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM

I feel for PUMAs…

Esthier on July 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM

It’s a little hard for me. I suspect that 80% of them voted for Obama anyway.

ddrintn on July 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Let me also add that one of the supreme experts in the Democratic Party on the nomination rules is a man named Tom Donilon. He happens to work in the White House now. Coincidence? I think not.

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 12:15 PM

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM

A brain dead liberal from New England was screaming about this at the time. I told them that they sounded RACIST. That bought some silence. Heh.

Most importantly, this kind of thing did happen in the past and it was apparently used by real racists and other thugs. Turnabouts are fair play so good for the Hope and Change crowd. Or (God help us) SEIU and ACORN gang.

WisCon on July 12, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Seven Percent Solution on July 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM

I am still wondering about the millions in donations that flooded The One’s coffers from unknown sources from electronic cards and etc.

IlikedAUH2O on July 12, 2010 at 12:15 PM

Remember,the ongoing feud during the Democrat primaries,
and they almost went to war over the SuperDelegates soap
opera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

canopfor on July 12, 2010 at 12:15 PM

I feel for PUMAs, but they’re only being treated like conservatives. The racism card is very effective.

Esthier on July 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM

The racist card is all they have…. They can’t defend him any other way.

sarainitaly on July 12, 2010 at 12:16 PM

That is certainly what most brave Docker wearing conservatives are best at.

ClassicCon on July 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Apparently you didn’t understand my post…next time, take a little time, read the post, think about it, then comment…otherwise you look like a fool.

right2bright on July 12, 2010 at 12:16 PM

It’s not how you play the game but whether you win.

jukin on July 12, 2010 at 12:16 PM

ernesto on July 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Does your mom know you’re on the computer, Che?

Akzed on July 12, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Here is a blog Ann Althouse wrote at the time. There were reports of irregularities then, and her son- a Hillary supporter- had an odd experience at a caucus.

MayBee on July 12, 2010 at 12:16 PM

The racism card is very effective.

Oh ya, it trumps a whole deck of sexism cards. I hate to mention the whole Mel Gibson thing, but it’s about 99% sexism, being abusive to a woman and 1% racism, yet what is the theme being pushed?

It’s also interesting to see the lack of women in leadership positions in many blue states (in addition to the overall treatment of women). Is the abortion issue really the only thing keeping women in the Democrat party?

reaganaut on July 12, 2010 at 12:17 PM

The “O” Team being unethical and stealing elections? Unbelievable…!

DL13 on July 12, 2010 at 12:17 PM

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM

Megadittos, rockmom.

petefrt on July 12, 2010 at 12:01 PM

Megamegas!

And as others have noted, this isn’t a “new” documentary – it is just coming to light now as the D.O.J.’s actions are under a microscope.

That being said, I agree that primaries are better than caucuses.

Buy Danish on July 12, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Remember,there was almost a Liberal Party Civil War,
with the Recreate 68′ in Denver in 2008!!

canopfor on July 12, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM

That’s why Hugh Hewitt wrote his book, “If It’s Not Close They Can’t Cheat.” That was leading up to the 2008 elections but it is apropos of this one. I don’t think a lot of these House races are going to be very close. The country is pissed and Democrats are going to get hammered. Obama’s peopel have not been able to translate his “organization” to the Congressional district level. They haven’t figured out yet how to steal 500 local elections.

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Ed, Does it really matter if the other side was doing it too? C’mon! This coupled with the DOJ revelations about voter fraud in Missouri and Minnesota(hello! Al Franken)!! This is really big news and deserves not to be brushed aside with “Well they did it too!” BS.

indy8 on July 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM

It’s a little hard for me. I suspect that 80% of them voted for Obama anyway.

ddrintn on July 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM

I don’t believe that. I’d expect it, as I don’t believe Obama and Clinton were that different policy-wise, but they gain nothing by claiming they voted R.

The racist card is all they have…. They can’t defend him any other way.

sarainitaly on July 12, 2010 at 12:16 PM

It’s worse than that. They don’t need to defend him any other way. Even if they did just stick to the issues and were able to make that work for them, it would still be much less effective than painting an entire voting group, half the American population, as racist.

This isn’t new, and I doubt we’ll see the end of it in my lifetime. The DNC owns that card and knows that it will keep winning elections for them.

Esthier on July 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Ed, I’m reserving judgement until I see the documentary. I was reading regularly a PUMA blog when all this happened and everyone was furious about what was going on… The DNC had decided they wanted The Zero and did nothing to address or investgate the allegations of fraud and intimidation… The new black panthers in Philly weren’t the first… They just got filmed!

CCRWM on July 12, 2010 at 12:23 PM

It’s also interesting to see the lack of women in leadership positions in many blue states (in addition to the overall treatment of women). Is the abortion issue really the only thing keeping women in the Democrat party?

reaganaut on July 12, 2010 at 12:17 PM

There were exactly ZERO women in any leadership roles in the Obama campaign until after he had defeated Hillary and took on a few of her people. I commented on this at the time. The dirty little secret about Obama is that he hates women and apparently so do his operatives. The campaign they ran against Hillary was full of blatant and subtle sexist appeals, including the playing of the Jay-Z song “99 problems” at all his rallies. It blew my mind that so many liberal women could not see what was happening there.

I’m not big on identity politics, but if I had been a Democratic voter I would have crawled over broken glass to support Hillary after watching that Obama campaign.

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Come to think of it, I wonder how Gigi Gaston voted in November 2008. I wonder if she voted for McCain. LOL If not, there goes the credibility.

ddrintn on July 12, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Mutnodjmet on July 12, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Worthy or not there are not enough Democrat Senators with the honor and integrity to impeach him.

chemman on July 12, 2010 at 12:24 PM

FOX viewers are such uncritical sheep that of course they’ll eat it up right off the screen, and start idiotic chain emails to all their redneck friends with PROOF!! that Obama the marxist kenyan stole the election.

FOX: Idiocracy’s prophesies realized.

ernesto on July 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Oh, please kid.

This absolutely pales in comparison to what the DNC “news channel of choice”, CNN, has fed their sheeple over the decades-stuff which the Democrat sheep lapped up happily. Such as falsely accusing the US of nerve-gassing Laotian civilians, not reporting Saddam Hussein’s atrocities against his own citizens for a decade, and having their CEO resign in disgrace after he falsely accused US troops of murdering Iraqi journalists.

When you can find equal examples of Faux News doing the same thing, we’ll talk.

Del Dolemonte on July 12, 2010 at 12:24 PM

Apparently you didn’t understand my post…next time, take a little time, read the post, think about it, then comment…otherwise you look like a fool.

right2bright on July 12, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Nah, it is your typical, unoriginal, eat popcorn post. Millions of others have done it for years before you switched from AOL.

Mainly just did it as a blatantly out of context dig at the milquetoast conservative movement. Nothing personal.

ClassicCon on July 12, 2010 at 12:24 PM

You’re naive Ed… Team Obama was notoriously thugish when it came to the caucuses…

ninjapirate on July 12, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Put me down as skeptical on this one.

The allegations appear to be entirely confined to caucus states, which is one of the reasons I’m skeptical. Caucuses are bare-knuckled brawls where the parties make the rules and the campaigns routinely and viciously fight over them.

Huh?!?! I have to agree with ninjapirate, although “naive” is a kind term for this. Did Ed Morrissey actually write this?! Did you see all 4 parts of the documentary?! The prime thrust of this documentary was that the caucus was the tool – the means to the desired end – to get primary candidate Obama the needed delegates to be the Dem candidate. They followed classic Alinsky tactics!!!! How can you be “skeptical” and not see this for truth (from disenfranchised Democrats), as yet another example of how the Obama thugs operate?! SEIU and ACORN – remember them? They did the work here, along with the koolaid-drinking Obamabots.

This is tough for me to say, having been a Hot Air fan since Michelle Malkin started this leading-edge, innovative blog – but I now believe that Hot Air is finished. This type of voter intimidation and fraud were RAMPANT and being contested in both the 2008 primaries and in the final election in November. Hillary raised the flag, but then dropped it after her “deal” at the convention.

Ed, do you have amnesia?! Go back and re-read MM’s blog – and Hot Air’s – to refresh your memory. Chicago-on-the-Potomac, Culture of Corruption……ringing any bells, hitting any of the “little grey cells” in your memory?!

There are many more blogs out in the blogosphere who have a clear understanding of what happened, and what is happening, in our country. Hot Air seems to have lost its thinking ability and useful mission since the “boss-emeritus” sold it. Have you lost your way? Say it ain’t so! I hate to stop reading your blog, but if this is the “new” direction………

DINORight on July 12, 2010 at 12:26 PM

It’s all true. Anyone that followed the primaries knew about it. Hillary did not prepare for the caucus states since she thought it’d be over with super Tuesday. After that, Obama took the lead with those states and it was all over.

Obama then used those tactics on the Republicans and it worked. McCain himself stopped attacking Obama on key points.

MrX on July 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Does it really matter if the other side was doing it too? C’mon! This coupled with the DOJ revelations about voter fraud in Missouri and Minnesota(hello! Al Franken)!! This is really big news and deserves not to be brushed aside with “Well they did it too!” BS.

indy8 on July 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM

YES, let’s light this candle!

I disagree with Ed about as often as I disagree with Rush, Charles Krauthammer, and Ronaldus Magnus. But I have to take exception here.

petefrt on July 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM

It’s a little hard for me. I suspect that 80% of them voted for Obama anyway.

ddrintn on July 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM

I sure as hello didn’t, but you’re right, which is why the group pretty much died. Some people, like me, absolutely 100% bailed and others just couldn’t.

But, while PUMAS began campaigning for McCain and Palin, some Repubs didn’t show up at the polls, voted for Obama, or campaigned against McCain, so our vote didn’t make a difference.

But, the silver lining for me is that I finally saw the light.

sarainitaly on July 12, 2010 at 12:28 PM

It’s a little hard for me. I suspect that 80% of them voted for Obama anyway.

ddrintn on July 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM

I don’t believe that.

Esthier on July 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM

I do. I remember hearing how all pissed off those PUMAs were and how they were going to show up en masse to vote for McCain. I’d bet the farm that, as I said, around 80% of them voted for Obama. Liberals are liberals FIRST. They’re pissed-off partisans for a shafted candidate second.

ddrintn on July 12, 2010 at 12:29 PM

This is really big news and deserves not to be brushed aside with “Well they did it too!” BS.

indy8 on July 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Couldn’t agree more. The conservative intelligentsia has done this country a tremendous diservice by largely ignoring how Obama got where he is today. Anyone with a brain knows Obama’s bio doesn’t add up (I’m not just talking about his birth certificate), but yet his political enemies are among his staunchest defenders. They scoff and jeer at those asking questions. If they don’t want to dig into it that’s fine, but why do people like Ed go out of their way to cover for the man? In this instance we’ve got Democrats shooting at Obama. Whether they are right or not(though I believe they are), conservatives should just step back and let them fire away.

flyfisher on July 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM

“I never believed our party would do that…”

This woman cannot be a Democrat, if she doesn’t have even a cursory understanding of her party’s history of voter fraud and machine politics.

rogersnowden on July 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Put this in context of the DOJ dropping the case against the racist “kill cracker babies” Black Panther members and we have a recipe for violence for the 2010 midterm election. Should this surprise us? No, Obama’s history of tolerating evil makes the DOJ action perfectly consistent. The Liberal Theology Obama soaked up for 20 years justifies such an attitude.

Blue Collar Todd on July 12, 2010 at 12:33 PM

But, while PUMAS began campaigning for McCain and Palin, some Repubs didn’t show up at the polls, voted for Obama, or campaigned against McCain, so our vote didn’t make a difference.

sarainitaly on July 12, 2010 at 12:28 PM

That’s true. With all the Republican defectors, we needed far more than the PUMAs to win.

I do. I remember hearing how all pissed off those PUMAs were and how they were going to show up en masse to vote for McCain. I’d bet the farm that, as I said, around 80% of them voted for Obama. Liberals are liberals FIRST. They’re pissed-off partisans for a shafted candidate second.

ddrintn on July 12, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Sure, but you have no proof of that. If they were just partisans, then they endangered their own cause by speaking out in the first place and probably paid for it if they returned. As Republicans, they almost get the Republican insults other Republicans treatment.

I’d believe some did, because again, Obama and Clinton campaigned on a lot of the same things, but there was only downside to them going back to the Democrat Party.

Esthier on July 12, 2010 at 12:33 PM

I would guess from reading above that these self professed ex and reformed Dems have little in the way of credibility. Could that just be because their Party is crooked from bottom to top? Or, it could be to re-focus attention away from Obama and onto something else? Anyone who trusts the motives of Dem operatives is courting disaster. Paranoia? Yes, and well justified and healthy.

jeanie on July 12, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Sure, but you have no proof of that.

Esthier on July 12, 2010 at 12:33 PM

OK, whom do you think Ms Gaston voted for?

ddrintn on July 12, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Wow, Ed. I am surprised by your skeptical reaction to this. This group has been working on the film for over a year, and it wasn’t just in Texas where there were massive irregularities and thug tactics used by the Obama campaign. In fact, Texas was a sideshow that didn’t matter all that much in determining the outcome of the Democratic nomination.

The real theft of the nomination happened in Iowa and Nevada. There are credible reports of hundreds (and possibly thousands) of people being illegally bussed in to Iowa from Illinois to caucus for Obama, of signup sheets being stolen, of Clinton voters being locked out and physically intimidated, etc. Iowa has been running caucuses forever and there were reports of stuff being done by Obama’s people that nobody in Iowa had even seen before or even contemplated. Hillary’s operatives expected an ordinary and typical caucus process; they did not expect an Alinsky-style mob takeover. It’s a bit hard to fault the Clinton camapign for not expecting what nobody had ever seen before.

As you recall, Obama’s stunning victory in the Iowa caucuses catapulted him to front-runner status even before any Democratic prinaries were held, and put a severe dent in Hillary’s campaign of inevitability. Nevada came soon after and the SEIU thug force was out for Obama and probably stole that one too.

The entire strategy of Obama’s campaign was to win these early caucuses “by any means necessary” and then start pressuring the Superdelegates – especially the Black Caucus members that had been committed to Hillary – to switch to Obama, before any significant primaries were held. They knew Obama would not beat Hillary in most of the primaries. It was a long-shot strategy but they made it work.

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM

This doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Although the Clinton machine had played political hardball in the past, the Clintons were more adept at persuading voters by verbal lies and half-truths than by outright physical intimidation. The mostly-rural people of Iowa were probably caught off-guard by thugs bussed in from Chicago in the middle of winter. Among Democrats, Clinton had more support from the elderly and women (who could be more easily intimidated) while Obama’s support came mostly from young, radicalized people, who could initimidate Clinton’s more centrist voters.

Throughout the campaign, Obama won practically all the caucus states, while Clinton won most of the big-state primaries, except for Southern states with high populations of African-Americans, which usually vote Republican in the general election. The complaint was made at the time that Clinton represented the Democrat base, while Obama represented African-Americans and small numbers of people in caucus states. In the only state to hold both a caucus and a primary (Texas), Clinton narrowly won the primary based on millions of votes, but Obama won the caucus (based on tens of thousands of votes) by a wide margin, and thereby came away with more Texas delegates than Clinton.

While this documentary is easy to dismiss as sour grapes from a 2008 Clinton supporter, why bring it out NOW, rather than in 2012? After all, Hillary Clinton IS Secretary of State, THE most influential person in Obama’s foreign policy.

Could this be a PUMA planning to vote Republican for Congress this year to slam the brakes on Obama, warning Republicans of Obama’s dirty tricks and thuggery to try to hang on to Congress by threats and intimidation?

Regardless of the motives of the makers of this documentary, we should probably heed their warning, if we want to take back the House this year.

Steve Z on July 12, 2010 at 12:35 PM

The DNC had decided they wanted The Zero and did nothing to address or investgate the allegations of fraud and intimidation… The new black panthers in Philly weren’t the first… They just got filmed!

CCRWM on July 12, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Do you remember Donna Brazile:

Democratic strategist Donna Brazile — who managed Al Gore’s 2000 presidential campaign and is herself a superdelegate — says she will quit her position within the Democratic Party if her superdelegate colleagues decide the party’s nomination.

“Let’s wait for some of these other states to help sort this out,” Brazile, a News & Notes contributor, told Farai Chideya.

As Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama continue to run neck-and-neck in amassing the total delegates needed to win the nomination, some have suggested that the party’s superdelegates — comprising party activists and high-ranking officials — could make the deciding vote.

But Brazile says the superdelegate vote “should reflect the will of the people.”

This is, of course, when Hillary was leading in SD’s.

I’m still waiting for Donna to resign.

sarainitaly on July 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM

Sure, but you have no proof of that.

Esthier on July 12, 2010 at 12:33 PM

By the way, the result of the election is proof enough.

ddrintn on July 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM

rockmom on July 12, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Give them a few cycles.

They need amnesty for the illegals and a few other things to win all the elections all the time.

IlikedAUH2O on July 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM

Peep that chyron! “Documentary has evidence Obama stole election”. Entirely unsubstantiated, of course, but hey, lets just assume this documentary has actual evidence and run with it! FOX viewers are such uncritical sheep that of course they’ll eat it up right off the screen, and start idiotic chain emails to all their redneck friends with PROOF!! that Obama the marxist kenyan stole the election.

Oh look, it’s an OBOT calling first hand eyewitness testimony “unsubstantiated”. This silly Group Think Propaganda punk probably considers Odogma’s lack of executive experience as being unsubstantiated also. Do you have any idea how stupid and mentally manipulated you are? Let me answer that for you. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wtng2fish on July 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM

I’d don’t. My mother is a Democrat who supported Clinton in Nevada. Obama’s people were really well organized and Hillary’s people were just caught flat footed.

taney71 on July 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM

BTW the thug tactics Zero’s team used is why so many women left the Democrats and voted McCain/Palin and some of these women are pouring their hearts out for Palin now. Somebody said abortion is all the Democrats have to offer women and with this country becoming pro life I think women will desert them in droves… We’re all Mama Grizzlies now!

CCRWM on July 12, 2010 at 12:43 PM

This lady is trying to tell us that the crafty, devious, politically sophisticated Clintons simply sat back and meweled over all this going on under their noses. Really!! The bottom line here is that I have to ask myself if I want Hillary for Prez in 2012(or any Dem)and the answer is no, no, no. Would I like the caucus states to get their acts together. Yes, yes, yes.

jeanie on July 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM

The RNC should prepare public service announcements to be released weeks before the Nov. election warning people to report such voter intimidation charges immediately to the police.

kurtzz3 on July 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

What union controls the police? These irregularities and outright crimes were reported in 2008 to the police – why no investigation then?

DINORight on July 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM

HillBuzz has long talked about these and the outright cheating of the Obamites at the caucuses.

SilentWatcher on July 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM

Somebody said abortion is all the Democrats have to offer women and with this country becoming pro life I think women will desert them in droves… We’re all Mama Grizzlies now!

CCRWM on July 12, 2010 at 12:43 PM

We’ll see about that soon enough.

ddrintn on July 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM

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