Video: 2008 primary election irregularities alleged in new documentary
posted at 11:36 am on July 12, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Put me down as skeptical on this one. Fox News interviews Gigi Gaston, a Democrat who produced a new documentary, We Will Not Be Silent 2008 that alleges irregularities in the 2008 Democratic primaries committed by the Barack Obama campaign. Gaston accuses Obama and his team of stealing the election from Hillary Clinton through voter fraud, intimidation, and dirty tricks (via The Right Scoop):
The allegations appear to be entirely confined to caucus states, which is one of the reasons I’m skeptical. Caucuses are bare-knuckled brawls where the parties make the rules and the campaigns routinely and viciously fight over them. I have no trouble believing that Team Obama played hardball and cut as many corners as they could without getting caught. What I have trouble believing is that Hillary Clinton wasn’t doing the exact same thing in these states. After all, Hillary was hardly a babe in the woods. The Clinton Machine had been fighting these battles since Obama was in high school. Now we’re suddenly to believe that they were manning the Good Ship Lollipop in 2008 and were shocked, shocked to find that caucuses aren’t played by Marquess de Queensbury rules?
This is one of the reasons that I believe primaries are usually a better way to select nominees, especially for higher offices. They’re not impervious to fraud and abuse, but it’s a more level ground, and the stakes for committing malfeasance are at least somewhat higher than in caucuses.
Update: I’ve gotten a couple of testy e-mails from the producers, but after watching the clips from the still-incomplete documentary, I’m still not convinced that this somehow rises above the usual elbows and sucker punches one sees at caucuses. But more to the point, if this is all somehow true and Obama “stole” the nomination from Hillary, then why did Hillary (a) endorse Obama, (b) campaign for him, and (c) leave the Senate to take the SecState job? Are we to believe that the biggest victim of the theft is somehow playing along with it? After all, she could have easily stayed in the Senate, win re-election this year (Republicans may not even be able to beat her replacement, and geared up for a 2012 primary challenge to Obama. The fact that she didn’t should tell people that the collection of irregularities doesn’t amount to a stolen election.
This is still a very useful documentary, and well worth watching, for another reason: to show why states should dump the caucus system and stick with primaries. When you see complainants attempting to explain the arcane rules, forms, and customs of caucuses in order to explain how they believe the Obama team manipulated and defrauded the system, the viewer is left wondering why any rational community would put up with a system like caucusing.
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Jeez. Guess I won’t send you my résumé.
But you’re missing the point I’m trying to make (unsuccessfully of course). I’m perfectly willing to laugh at Obama, but I voted for the other guys (and gal).
My sense of humor (or lack thereof) is not the issue. The issue is Alinsky tactics against people that are not ashamed of what we consider “bad” behavior. The leftists are proud of the IRS targeting Tea Party groups. They are proud of Candy Crawley lying during a debate for Obama. They love this stuff.
Instead of attacking me personally, why not actually show me a demonstration of Alinsky tactics being sucessfully used against leftists. Or if there are no real world examples, how about a hypothetical.
happytobehere on May 20, 2013 at 5:27 PM
What a moronic comment and commenter!
Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 5:28 PM
You are a vulture, a ghoul, trying to use the deaths of children to divert attention from Obama’s crimes, which include the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of Mexican civilians, including children, from all the ObamaGuns from Obama’s Gun Running Merchant of Death Program, his Rolling 9/11 against Mexico.
VorDaj on May 20, 2013 at 5:29 PM
stingray is desperately trying to practice the politics of distraction because it worked in the past. Let him think it still works while this administration takes a pounding and the left turns on itself before our eyes.
Daemonocracy on May 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM
stingray9813 on May 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM
You sound like a scared Obamaton.
Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM
stingray9813 on May 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM
carrion-consuming azzhole
Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 5:31 PM
It appears the prosecutors’ statements about Rosen having potentially committed a crime were aimed at allowing them to proceed through use of a search warrant rather than a grand jury subpoena or other means.
It appears that a judge bought this lie without a shred of evidence.
Unless this judge puts the liar(s) in jail for a good long period under a contempt charge Congress should defund that court.
RJL on May 20, 2013 at 5:32 PM
I don’t think you’re making a point. I think you’re imaging demons where there are none. Being critical of the MSM is not equal to wishing the MSM’s rights were violated or restricted. Being critical is just another part of the 1st Amendment.
NotCoach on May 20, 2013 at 5:33 PM
You should learn to read. The ‘crime’ that Rosen supposedly committed is soliciting classified information from Kim. In other words, the judge found probable cause that something that isn’t a crime, happened.
rightmind on May 20, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Yeap that’s why the world today is ruled by total evil. That’s why the Nazi’s are moving into LA and the communists are taking options on a nice Tampa location. Evil is always destroyed because it destroys itself. It is the nature of evil to eat its own. Even now you can see it occurring in the WH. The press sec is trying to tell people the POTUS knew nothing about it but the consul and tresury did and didn’t tell him. How long do you think it will take for those “fall guys” to give the POTUS up? Sooner or later one of them turns and gives the information to deepthroat. Evil looks out for itself and by doing so it losses in the end. They turn on each other. It always happens. Why? who knows. it may survive for a time when the good do nothing but once good starts to fight evil it ends. Look at any evil regime or evil human activity. Slavary, facism, communism, fuedalism they all destoryed themselves. Sure some lasted for a while others lasted for a blip of time. But in the end they lose. The more good people fights the evil the quicker it ends.
This isn’t sci-fi this is human history. This is the way the world works.
unseen on May 20, 2013 at 5:46 PM
Wait… Are you suggesting they aren’t?
Sure. Different people, but the same ideology IS / has.
Just stealthily, not by the force of arms.
LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 5:50 PM
Yep, me and any moron stupid enough to reply.
Capitalist Hog on May 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM
Why weeks to find this out?
Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 6:42 PM
My wife did some e-mail with Rosen, then noticed that get LinkedIn was visited by DHS
J_Crater on May 20, 2013 at 7:13 PM
I am going to address this in a way you probably won’t like, but that’s not my concern here.
You are a person who suffers from “‘Why?‘ Well, because I say so!” What good advice could someone like you give to a person who’s forced to deal with abusive addicts in denial? Personally, I don’t believe you’d have a clue about such a situation…I think you have a snarky, negative, hopeless & joyless attitude which does not lend itself to creativity nor problem-solving, and I believe that until you can figure out on your own why Alinsky believed in the truth of his Rule #5, there is no common ground between us for discussion on how to best counter leftards.
PS I want give you credit for something – I don’t believe you are a jerk! :)
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 7:40 PM
Can’t say I disagree with anything you wrote. I’m quite joyless about this stuff, I admit. I doubt I’ll be too in your way as you joyfully knock down the Dems and take back the country.
I do understand the concept of “projection”. I do understand that Alinsky probably hated being mocked or whatever. I’m sure that is why he utilized this tactic. What I’m trying to say, and if you have an example of this please provide it, is that I have no knowledge of an actual demonstration of mockery working against the immoral Left. If someone is utterly without scruples how do mock them successfully? It’s easy for a community organizer to ridicule a well meaning local business etc. because the business actually means well! They don’t want to be thought of as horrible people. I think the Left likes to be thought of as horrible, I don’t think it dissuades them, quite the contrary.
But I do actually appreciate the continuous criticism of me personally. I would rather be upbeat about our future as a nation. That’s why I ask about this stuff. Probably a better way to help me be more upbeat is to cite some examples of Alinsky 5 working against the left.
happytobehere on May 20, 2013 at 8:39 PM
“Holder knows where the proverbial bodies are buried…”
He knows where the real bodies are buried, too.
lobo603 on May 20, 2013 at 9:42 PM
So basically, you just come here to treat people in a manner you don’t have the nerve to display in person? And thanks for pointing out the anonymity. Who knew?
Cindy Munford on May 20, 2013 at 9:53 PM
The Obama administration is absolutely right – this scandal is NOTHING like Watergate / Nixon’s scandal…
OBAMA’S SCANDAL DWRFS NIXON’S WATERGATE!
Bring in a bus, & march out in an orange-jumpsuit-clad, ankle & wrist chain-sporting line Obama, Holder, Miller, & anyone else involved – put them on the bus, & take them straight to a federal pen!
I will continue to say it – Obama is an ‘enemy of the state’, an enemy to the Constitution, to the rule of law, & is a criminal — anything allowed in order to push his agenda.
easyt65 on May 21, 2013 at 9:40 AM
It is the COVER-UP that ‘kills’ ya!
Fast & Furious was Obama’s 1st serious FAILURE, & like someone who is more interested in avoiding a personally/politically damaging problem Obama spent his effort hiding/covering it up rather than being open about it & attempting to rectify the problem. The COVER-UP STILL CONTINUES.
It is the COVER-UP that ‘kills’ ya!
Benghazi was yet ANOTHER Obama FAILURE…but this time it was a case of a plan’s ‘execution failure’. Benghazi was a series of either ignorant or planned (D@mn-near criminal) decision-making. Trusting AL QAEDA-BACKED rebels to protect our Ambassador/Americans – especially after 2 previous terrorist attacks, even if a case of stupidity would be a CRIMINAL case of stupidity. Being ‘awol’ during the whole attack, modifying the CIA talking points a dozen times, sending Rice out to the talk shows, making up the story about the vide, refusing to send help…all of these were calculated DECISIONS. They may have been ignorant decisions, but they were decisions just the same. And make no mistake, the cover-up was all about protecting Obama’s re-election chances & Hillary’s 2016 chances. The COVER UP STILL CONTINUES.
You are a product of where you are from & who your friends/associates are.
The IRS Scandal — it’s about an ‘enemies’ list, about intimidation, threats, punishment, control, wiping out the competition. It’s the ‘Chicago Way’. It’s also the Socialist (Frank Marshall Davis / Saul Alynski) Way. It is the Jeremiah Wright hate-spewing, Anti-American Communist-based Black Liberation Theology Church way! It is the way of a man who did not try to hide who he was when he TOLD Americans before the 2008 election that he would fundamentally change the the U.S. It is the way of the man who openly, proudly adopted the historically-documented Soccialist Icon & slogan of ‘Forward’ as his own during the 2nd election.
Obama has proven he is an Enemy of the State, an Enemy to the Constitution, to the Rule of Law, to what this nation stands for, has always stood for. He may have been born in America, but he is no AMERICAN! There is a VERY big difference! For example: Someone BORN in America declares they have NEVER BEEN PROUD OF THEIR COUNTRY, the way Michelle Obama did – an AMERICAN doesn’t do that!
For the sake of his own ‘reign’ Obama cast aside once again the Constitution and our laws to TARGET Americans, to prey upon them rather than protect them & their rights! AMERICAN leaders do not prey upon the American people! Obama may be the American President but he is no AMERICAN President!
easyt65 on May 21, 2013 at 10:14 AM
I’m sure it’s let’s make a deal time in the Democratic camp right now.
lea on May 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM
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